audidudi wrote:

Airbus A380-861 254 A7-APJ Qatar Airways delivery 24 April 2018 TLS-DOH ex F-WWAJ

Potentially the last A380 delivered with EA engines.

audidudi wrote:

Airbus A380-861 254 A7-APJ Qatar Airways delivery 24 April 2018 TLS-DOH ex F-WWAJ

Breathe wrote:

Potentially the last A380 delivered with EA engines.

There was a report in Bloomberg that Emirates is considering returning to Engine Alliance to power the 36 A380s that they ordered in January.

Really like the concept that ANA is going with the A380 interior.

MSN 262 NH #1 rolled out of the assembly hall in Toulouse today. https://twitter.com/Airbus/status/999899661979734016

Finally! After what seemed to be a trillion EK-A380-roll-outs we have finally a new operator-roll-out.

Next event will be roll-out in XFW after painting.... spoiler alert

I cannot wait to see that livery, and I hope Airbus/ANA would make a video of the painting process for us geeks!

The penultimate A380 for Singapore Airlines was delivered today:

Airbus A380-841 253 9V-SKY Singapore Airlines delivery 15 June 2018 TLS-SIN ex F-WWAB

The next A380 for Emirates was delivered yesterday:

Airbus A380-842 238 A6-EUU Emirates delivery 01 July 2018 XFW-DXB ex F-WWAY

When is ANA getting their A380 ?

UAEflyer wrote:

When is ANA getting their A380 ?

ANA #1: March 2019
ANA #2: June 2019
ANA #3: September 2019

ANA will commence service with the type in spring 2019.
Source: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ts-447990/

Ex SQ A380 9V-SKC was delivered to HiFly Malta on Wednesday for painting:

Airbus A380-841 6 9H-MIP HiFly Malta delivery 04 July 2018 SIN-AUH-MLA, all white, for paint into “Save the Coral Reefs” cs ex 9V-SKC

https://www.planespotters.net/photo/847 ... s-a380-841

audidudi wrote:

Ex SQ A380 9V-SKC was delivered to HiFly Malta on Wednesday for painting:

Airbus A380-841 6 9H-MIP HiFly Malta delivery 04 July 2018 SIN-AUH-MLA, all white, for paint into “Save the Coral Reefs” cs ex 9V-SKC

https://www.planespotters.net/photo/847 ... s-a380-841

And here she is after painting:

https://www.planespotters.net/photo/849 ... s-a380-841

https://www.planespotters.net/photo/849 ... s-a380-841

N14AZ wrote:

UAEflyer wrote:

When is ANA getting their A380 ?

ANA #1: March 2019
ANA #2: June 2019
ANA #3: September 2019

ANA will commence service with the type in spring 2019.
Source: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ts-447990/

All in 2019? Seems 2019 and onwards might be quite dull with new deliveries. I just can't wait to see ANAs A380s. I think the delivery is awesome.

LewisNEO wrote:

N14AZ wrote:

UAEflyer wrote:

When is ANA getting their A380 ?

ANA #1: March 2019
ANA #2: June 2019
ANA #3: September 2019

ANA will commence service with the type in spring 2019.
Source: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ts-447990/

All in 2019? Seems 2019 and onwards might be quite dull with new deliveries. I just can't wait to see ANAs A380s. I think the delivery is awesome.

Yes it will be a whole lot of endless EK frames.

Any word on engine choice for these EK frames? Didn`t EK suggest EA were in the hat
for competition with RR on this latest order? Although I imagined it to be a bargening
ploy, I guess you never know particularly in view of the fact that EK haven`t chosen
engines on their B787`s!

Tedd wrote:

Any word on engine choice for these EK frames? Didn`t EK suggest EA were in the hat
for competition with RR on this latest order? Although I imagined it to be a bargening
ploy, I guess you never know particularly in view of the fact that EK haven`t chosen
engines on their B787`s!

I thought (hoped) there would be an announcement at Farnborough. Disappointed.

Engine choice will probably be announced with firming of 787 order. EK is likely tying the two engine deals together for maximum leverage.

Polot wrote:

Engine choice will probably be announced with firming of 787 order. EK is likely tying the two engine deals together for maximum leverage.

When EK canceled the original 350 order, and ordered the first tranche of RR powered 380 there was word that whom ever wins their RFP for regional jet( in that time 359 vs 78J ) will be RR powered. So I had asumed that 787 and the latest 380 ordered would be RR. What changed since then?

ZEDZAG wrote:

Polot wrote:

Engine choice will probably be announced with firming of 787 order. EK is likely tying the two engine deals together for maximum leverage.

When EK canceled the original 350 order, and ordered the first tranche of RR powered 380 there was word that whom ever wins their RFP for regional jet( in that time 359 vs 78J ) will be RR powered. What changed since then?

Airbus/RR firmly shelved any near term hope for a A380neo and the RR A380s had some teething issues for EK.

EK was using the RR engines as a carrot to try and push RR to agree to a neo. With that failed they are willing to head back to GE/EA for the time being if need be.

ZEDZAG wrote:

Polot wrote:

Engine choice will probably be announced with firming of 787 order. EK is likely tying the two engine deals together for maximum leverage.

When EK canceled the original 350 order, and ordered the first tranche of RR powered 380 there was word that whom ever wins their RFP for regional jet( in that time 359 vs 78J ) will be RR powered. So I had asumed that 787 and the latest 380 ordered would be RR. What changed since then?

The A350 cancellation and the additional order for A380s were not connected commercially. Airbus reported them in different financial years which would be illegal if they were connected.

Geoff

Polot wrote:

Engine choice will probably be announced with firming of 787 order. EK is likely tying the two engine deals together for maximum leverage.

And with the 777X engine order, even though there is no choice.

EK expected bundling would get them a great deal, and at the very least a PiP, or even a new engine on the A380. The reality, is neither OEM seems excited at the prospect of writing business for the life of these engines at little more than cost, and offering a bespoke engine for the A380.

GE must consider they have the 777X engine deal in the bag, whatever happens, but there will be nail biting at Boeing as the order is still very much qualified (subject to engine, performance and finance), and EK is seen as the precedent setter by other customers. A350 posturing indicates Airbus sense an opportunity to unwind the EK/777X order, perhaps something that is top of mind after Boeing have targetted A330NEO customers.

This mega engine order will need the financial support of the respective air frame manufacturers and nerves of steel, so conflict for Boeing with the 787 and GE for the A380.

If EK considers Boeing meddling results in a soft (or no) GE offer for the A380 and / or an uneven playing field for GE/RR on the 787, what drama can be expected?

Putting aside the questionable problems EK had with the Trent 900 ( no one else running Trent 900`s on A380 were suffering )
wasn`t this engine further improved to be more powerful & efficient than the EA`s GP7200 it replaced? It would cost a small fortune
to further develop ( PIP ) this EA engine for what is very few A380`s, isn`t it a little unrealistic for EK to assume this is viable?

The last A380 for Singapore Airlines was delivered today:

Airbus A380-841 255 9V-SKZ Singapore Airlines delivery 27 July 2018 TLS-SIN ex F-WWAM

how is the backlog now ?, After ANA deliveries we will only see Emirates frames ...and Air Accord

danipawa wrote:

After ANA deliveries we will only see Emirates frames ...and Air Accord

And Amadeo of course

Tedd wrote:

Putting aside the questionable problems EK had with the Trent 900 ( no one else running Trent 900`s on A380 were suffering )
wasn`t this engine further improved to be more powerful & efficient than the EA`s GP7200 it replaced? It would cost a small fortune
to further develop ( PIP ) this EA engine for what is very few A380`s, isn`t it a little unrealistic for EK to assume this is viable?

It would be easy to PIP the GP7200 now. It wouldn't cost more than the revenue enhancement. Since the EA shares concepts with the PW4000, Pratt could PIP the low turbine and fan efficiently. Since the high spool is very related to the GE90, I could see a PIP. Just what level. If there were a CMC high turbine PIP EA would go back.

EK runs engines hard and in quantity. The T900 hasn't been trouble free (recall the QF A380 that had one fail on takeoff that resulted in discoveries of wing spacer cracking issues on the A380).

This will be due to numbers. If the best deal for EK is GEnX on the 787s, GE9x on the 777Xs, and GP7200s on future A380s, that is how EK will go. If it is to switch to A35Ks with RRs and RRs on the others, they will do that too.

This is business. With EK being such a bulk buyer, no one can afford not to sell to them. They will always receive the best offers. EK has shown quite the willingness to switch between Airbus and Boeing as well as GE and RR.

What they haven't shown is any Pratt love.

However, rumor is the GE9x is better than promised fuel burn (per early engine only testing, the same testing that found wear issues with the stator actuator arms). That makes the GE sales campaign a little easier.

Lightsaber

lightsaber wrote:

It would be easy to PIP the GP7200 now. It wouldn't cost more than the revenue enhancement. Since the EA shares concepts with the PW4000, Pratt could PIP the low turbine and fan efficiently. Since the high spool is very related to the GE90, I could see a PIP. Just what level. If there were a CMC high turbine PIP EA would go back.

EK runs engines hard and in quantity. The T900 hasn't been trouble free (recall the QF A380 that had one fail on takeoff that resulted in discoveries of wing spacer cracking issues on the A380).

This will be due to numbers. If the best deal for EK is GEnX on the 787s, GE9x on the 777Xs, and GP7200s on future A380s, that is how EK will go. If it is to switch to A35Ks with RRs and RRs on the others, they will do that too.

This is business. With EK being such a bulk buyer, no one can afford not to sell to them. They will always receive the best offers. EK has shown quite the willingness to switch between Airbus and Boeing as well as GE and RR.

What they haven't shown is any Pratt love.

However, rumor is the GE9x is better than promised fuel burn (per early engine only testing, the same testing that found wear issues with the stator actuator arms). That makes the GE sales campaign a little easier.

Who will flinch first? Engine OEM's? Air frame OEM's? EK?

Neither the 777X, 787, and most recent A380 orders are unqualified. EK can repeat history, and do an A350.

EK is in control, as long as they potentially don't lose build positions, which is very unlikely for the A380 and 777X, and not likely for the 787.

Boeing and GE are leaking 777X performance improvements, but they need to with real world A350 performance better than promised, and yet more to come.

My understanding is GE and RR are saying leave the A380 out of the equation, where EK wants in addition to price, a PiP or preferably an updated engine.

Boeing is outwardly engine neutral on the 787, but internally........... Which has got back to RR. And Airbus, who sense an opportunity to upset the 787 order. Which has got back to Boeing, who are applying pressure to, and dollars as well to, GE.

Will this be the straw that breaks the camels back, triggering a strategic shareholding by Boeing in GE? And in turn, an Airbus move on RR?

The commercial aviation industry will look very different by the end of 2020.

lightsaber wrote:

Tedd wrote:

Putting aside the questionable problems EK had with the Trent 900 ( no one else running Trent 900`s on A380 were suffering )
wasn`t this engine further improved to be more powerful & efficient than the EA`s GP7200 it replaced? It would cost a small fortune
to further develop ( PIP ) this EA engine for what is very few A380`s, isn`t it a little unrealistic for EK to assume this is viable?

It would be easy to PIP the GP7200 now. It wouldn't cost more than the revenue enhancement. Since the EA shares concepts with the PW4000, Pratt could PIP the low turbine and fan efficiently. Since the high spool is very related to the GE90, I could see a PIP. Just what level. If there were a CMC high turbine PIP EA would go back.

EK runs engines hard and in quantity. The T900 hasn't been trouble free (recall the QF A380 that had one fail on takeoff that resulted in discoveries of wing spacer cracking issues on the A380).

This will be due to numbers. If the best deal for EK is GEnX on the 787s, GE9x on the 777Xs, and GP7200s on future A380s, that is how EK will go. If it is to switch to A35Ks with RRs and RRs on the others, they will do that too.

This is business. With EK being such a bulk buyer, no one can afford not to sell to them. They will always receive the best offers. EK has shown quite the willingness to switch between Airbus and Boeing as well as GE and RR.

What they haven't shown is any Pratt love.

However, rumor is the GE9x is better than promised fuel burn (per early engine only testing, the same testing that found wear issues with the stator actuator arms). That makes the GE sales campaign a little easier.

Lightsaber

Thanks for the detailed insightful reply. If indeed EA can upgrade the GP 7200 as you suggest without great cost then
perhaps it is viable, I just feel the numbers of A380`s were talking are so small compared to the last tranch that were
delivered with RR, but then they could order more & surprise us all. I`ve read Trent 900 is probably PIP`d to the max
so it`ll be interesting see how things develop. I honestly thought RR would be on EK`s B787 due mostly to the -TEN
upgrade, but also to 3-spool superiority in hot & high conditions, but as you suggest any improvements filtering down
from GE9x could make GEnx just as attractive, & lets face it, RR have done themselves no favours of late on B787.
It`s interesting you indicate a switch to A350K`s. As you suggest it`s business, perhaps there is a business case to
at least look into this aircrafts recent improvements, something that EK could be doing now for all we know. Would
there be room for a mixed B777-9/A350K fleet? A350K is very much a known quantity now, QR are impressed with
theirs, IMHO a very attractive package, just lacking orders at the moment.

Please remember this is dthe prodiction and delivery thread. Feel free to open a new thread if you want to continue to discuss EK's options about engine choices.

MSN 240 (EK A6-EUW) test flight No 5

https://twitter.com/a380fanclub/status/ ... 1894325248

danipawa wrote:

how is the backlog now ?, After ANA deliveries we will only see Emirates frames ...and Air Accord

I thought the Air Accord order was one of the questionable ones - isn’t it a special purpose vehicle created to inherit the Transaero order when that carrier went tango uniform? Or am I getting mixed up here?

V/F

VirginFlyer wrote:

danipawa wrote:

how is the backlog now ?, After ANA deliveries we will only see Emirates frames ...and Air Accord

I thought the Air Accord order was one of the questionable ones - isn’t it a special purpose vehicle created to inherit the Transaero order when that carrier went tango uniform? Or am I getting mixed up here?

V/F

Same. I don't think it's expected for those A380s to be taken up. If I'm not mistaken, no frames for Transaero rolled off the line. So they'd have to take new builds. I'm not even sure Air Accord even exists anymore.

Slug71 wrote:

I'm not even sure Air Accord even exists anymore.

I do not believe it ever did. It is probably nothing but a shell holding company the order was dumped to until it can be formally cancelled, at which point the shell company would be rolled up.

ANA first A388 on the flightline



https://twitter.com/Frenchpainter/statu ... 7249144832

qf789 wrote:

ANA first A388 on the flightline

For a moment I thought they are working on MSN 002 (in the background) but I came to the conclusion it's just an optical illusion. This booth they are usually using for working on the rear section (cargo compartment?) is actually not standing at MSN 002 but between the two A380s.

First ANA 388 flight (ferry flight) scheduled for Monday 17th.

First ANA A388, taxi test



https://twitter.com/Frenchpainter/statu ... 5171229696

Emirates 105th A388 has been delivered, A6-EUW

https://twitter.com/a380fanclub/status/ ... 7426174976

Emirates 388 A6-EVB at XFW undergoing outfit



https://twitter.com/Tobias_Gudat/status ... 0737570818

Emirates has confirmed its order for 20 A380s. Deliveries will start 2020.

xwb777 wrote:

Emirates has confirmed its order for 20 A380s. Deliveries will start 2020.

Airbus booked these 20 on the 11th February.

Emirates have 57 more on order, 105 delivered. Deliveries of the last 20 won’t be until the mid 2020s with the production rate at 6 per year.

Geoff

qf789 wrote:

First ANA A388, taxi test



https://twitter.com/Frenchpainter/statu ... 5171229696

I am confused about the EK A380 in the background. The tail section is still brownish while the rest of the fuselage is already white. Usually, they have this green primer color before they are transferred to XFW. I know that some A380s came back to TLS after painting for temporary storage but if that’s the case here, why does it have a brown tail section? Can anyone explain? Most probably there is an easy way explanation...

MSN 262 completed her first flight from TLS to XFW today. Can't wait to see her fully painted.

Geoff1947 wrote:

xwb777 wrote:

Emirates has confirmed its order for 20 A380s. Deliveries will start 2020.

Airbus booked these 20 on the 11th February.

Emirates have 57 more on order, 105 delivered. Deliveries of the last 20 won’t be until the mid 2020s with the production rate at 6 per year.

Geoff

No news.

Order remains conditional on selecting an engine, and obtaining finance, both on terms satisfactory to the buyer, and could therefore be cancelled without financial penalty.

Probably won't become unconditional until after 2020.

Some more photos of first ANA A380 flight





https://twitter.com/CAlloing/status/1041680082023206913



https://twitter.com/AirportWebcams/stat ... 5133879296



https://twitter.com/Tobias_Gudat/status ... 5432691712

Video of NH A388 go around

https://twitter.com/airlivenet/status/1 ... 8421936128

Do we know which of the three ANA colour schemes will be painted first ?

JannEejit wrote:

Do we know which of the three ANA colour schemes will be painted first ?

The first one will be Lani (the Sky), don't know for the two others Kai (the Ocean) and Ka La (the Sunset).

https://www.ana.co.jp/en/us/promotions/ ... p201806299

MSN250 to be EK A6-EVE on third test flight

https://twitter.com/a380fanclub/status/ ... 0963072001

MSN162, the ex-Skymark frame, is finally delivered to Emirates

Airbus A380 -842 162 A6-EVB Emirates delivery 16nov18 XFW-DXB