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jean06 wrote:Who is behind "NO" airline code ?
audidudi wrote:jean06 wrote:Who is behind "NO" airline code ?
Here's what a Google search shows:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neos_(airline)
hkcanadaexpat wrote:First retirement of the year... JA609J (Japan Airlines) was retired from service on 05-Jan-18 and is currently being decommissioned @HND. It will then fly to @GYR to join its two sister frames as part of the UPS fleet and become N364UP. This is the third and final frame part of the original agreement. LN 921, Apr-04 delivery to JAL.
airzona11 wrote:How many used 767s does UPS have? Do they operate these fleets any different / fewer cycles than their new build fleet?
airzona11 wrote:hkcanadaexpat wrote:First retirement of the year... JA609J (Japan Airlines) was retired from service on 05-Jan-18 and is currently being decommissioned @HND. It will then fly to @GYR to join its two sister frames as part of the UPS fleet and become N364UP. This is the third and final frame part of the original agreement. LN 921, Apr-04 delivery to JAL.
How many used 767s does UPS have? Do they operate these fleets any different / fewer cycles than their new build fleet?
hkcanadaexpat wrote:airzona11 wrote:How many used 767s does UPS have? Do they operate these fleets any different / fewer cycles than their new build fleet?
UPS does not currently operate any used 767s. Last year, it entered into a purchase agreement with JAL to purchase 3 passenger frames with the intent of converting them to cargo for its use. Such conversion has still not occurred with the first two frames purchased (N362UP and N363UP) still sitting @GYR since Apr/17 & Oct/17 respectively.
Spacepope wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
The other thing I would wonder is: why are lessors so eager to sell B763s to airlines for freighter conversion instead of doing the conversions themselves and then leasing the frames?
juliuswong wrote:Anyone knows what happened to ex-Royal Brunei Airlines/Aerosvit B767-300ER fleet that the latter went bust?
mat66 wrote:I like this thread, but what I can't figure out here or elsewhere (the flight global statistic is for subribers only) is the actual number of 767 in service end of 2017. I'm especially interested in passenger versions vs. freighter/conversions. A split of -200, -200ER, -300, -300ER would be a bonus. Is there a list somewhere? Wikipedia is not up to date.
hkcanadaexpat wrote:In other news, American Airlines confirmed news reports from last year whereby it is extending the life of its remaining 763ER fleet. The 24 strong fleet is now expected to remain until the next decade and is undergoing heavy maintenance checks and life extension programs. N389AA and N390AA are both @BFM right now.
audidudi wrote:hkcanadaexpat wrote:In other news, American Airlines confirmed news reports from last year whereby it is extending the life of its remaining 763ER fleet. The 24 strong fleet is now expected to remain until the next decade and is undergoing heavy maintenance checks and life extension programs. N389AA and N390AA are both @BFM right now.
I'm seeing N388AA and N389AA at BFM right now! N390AA hasn't been out of service for quite a while!
Narfish641 wrote:Has anyone have the count of how many 767-200/200ERs that are still flying today?
audidudi wrote:hkcanadaexpat wrote:In other news, American Airlines confirmed news reports from last year whereby it is extending the life of its remaining 763ER fleet. The 24 strong fleet is now expected to remain until the next decade and is undergoing heavy maintenance checks and life extension programs. N389AA and N390AA are both @BFM right now.
I'm seeing N388AA and N389AA at BFM right now! N390AA hasn't been out of service for quite a while!
NG263 wrote:The 3rd and last ex-TC UK frame, G-DAJC, has been reregistered N1489A and should be flown to a conversion place soon. New Atlas Air bird that will be leased to Amazon Prime Air aswell.
CX747 wrote:American has seen quite a few of their 767-300ERs head off to the desert for certain retirement/scrapping. Upon arrival in the desert, another carrier bought AA's "junk", put it through maintenance and will now fly it for another 20+ years. While cargo is different than passenger operations, this activity has probably made AA stop and scratch their collective chins as to what the true operational lifespan of their 767s is!!! Hey, let's hold onto these birds, turn some wrenches and keep them going. Already bought.....and paid for.
CX747 wrote:audidudi wrote:hkcanadaexpat wrote:In other news, American Airlines confirmed news reports from last year whereby it is extending the life of its remaining 763ER fleet. The 24 strong fleet is now expected to remain until the next decade and is undergoing heavy maintenance checks and life extension programs. N389AA and N390AA are both @BFM right now.
I'm seeing N388AA and N389AA at BFM right now! N390AA hasn't been out of service for quite a while!
American has seen quite a few of their 767-300ERs head off to the desert for certain retirement/scrapping. Upon arrival in the desert, another carrier bought AA's "junk", put it through maintenance and will now fly it for another 20+ years. While cargo is different than passenger operations, this activity has probably made AA stop and scratch their collective chins as to what the true operational lifespan of their 767s is!!! Hey, let's hold onto these birds, turn some wrenches and keep them going. Already bought.....and paid for.
hkcanadaexpat wrote:A sad day for the 767 as two frames got sent to the desert today:
1) JA8324 (All Nippon Airways) was retired and flown to @SBD on 1/31 for parts-out and scrap. LN 465. Delivered in 1992. Flew its entire career with ANA, most notably as a domestic work horse. Good news is that its likely the only ANA 767 to be retired this calendar year.
2) N594HA (Hawaiian Airlines) was retired and flown to @MZJ on 1/2 for parts-out and scrap. LN 136. Originally delivered in 1986 to Delta as N116DL. This was the 7th oldest passenger 767 still in service and the oldest in service for legacy carriers. That title now passes to C-FCAE still proudly operating for Air Canada.
aemoreira1981 wrote:I’m surprised that AA didn’t arrange for the sales themselves, now that any passenger 767 with significant time or cycles left has increased value with the 767 being to cargo today what the DC-10 and MD-11 have been in years past.
hkcanadaexpat wrote:A sad day for the 767 as two frames got sent to the desert today:
1) JA8324 (All Nippon Airways) was retired and flown to @SBD on 1/31 for parts-out and scrap. LN 465. Delivered in 1992. Flew its entire career with ANA, most notably as a domestic work horse. Good news is that its likely the only ANA 767 to be retired this calendar year.
2) N594HA (Hawaiian Airlines) was retired and flown to @MZJ on 1/2 for parts-out and scrap. LN 136. Originally delivered in 1986 to Delta as N116DL. This was the 7th oldest passenger 767 still in service and the oldest in service for legacy carriers. That title now passes to C-FCAE still proudly operating for Air Canada.
wjcandee wrote:f the ex-AA aircraft making up a substantial portion of CAM's 767-300 dry-lease fleet. But CAM is/was about the only company in the biz that thought it would be a good idea to do this with those frames.
And you are absolutely correct that there's a world of difference between flying an out-and-back cargo flight once-a-day and flying 12-14 hours a day for a scheduled airline. That said, during Peak I was pretty-impressed with the hours and number of legs some of the ATI aircraft were doing.
Spacepope wrote:What's the average CAM 763 usage nowadays post-peak?
CX747 wrote:While we are a way out from delivery, UPS ordered 4 more 767s. +4 for the 767 fleet eventually.
hkcanadaexpat wrote:More activity...
1) N364UP (UPS) has left @HND on 2/2 after decommissioning from the JAL fleet. This is the third and last ex-passenger frame under the UPS-JAL agreement. It has joined the other two frames in @GYR prior to cargo conversion.
2) As mentioned above, N155FE (Fedex) has been delivered factory fresh to @IND on 2/2. LN 1141. Second delivery to Fedex this year.
3) N794AX (DHL International) has been delivered to @BAH on 1/31. This frame will be re-registered A9C-??? upon commissioning. LN 115. Most recently flown for ABX Air. Originally delivered to JAL in pax configuration. 1985 build. Leased from CAM. It replaces A9C-DHK which was returned to CAM on 12/21.
hkcanadaexpat wrote:More activity...
1) N364UP (UPS) has left @HND on 2/2 after decommissioning from the JAL fleet. This is the third and last ex-passenger frame under the UPS-JAL agreement. It has joined the other two frames in @GYR prior to cargo conversion.
2) As mentioned above, N155FE (Fedex) has been delivered factory fresh to @IND on 2/2. LN 1141. Second delivery to Fedex this year.
3) N794AX (DHL International) has been delivered to @BAH on 1/31. This frame will be re-registered A9C-??? upon commissioning. LN 115. Most recently flown for ABX Air. Originally delivered to JAL in pax configuration. 1985 build. Leased from CAM. It replaces A9C-DHK which was returned to CAM on 12/21.
CX747 wrote:Any word on what the recently purchased CAM 767-200 N768VA is up to?