GoHokies wrote:

The problem is they are only scheduled to receive 16 planes in 2018 and 45 planes in 2019

2018
16 737 Max 8

2019
20 737 Max 8
25 A321neo

Those 61 deliveries do not offset the 45 MD-80s and 20 E-190s that AA has said will be removed from the fleet by 2019.

osupoke07 wrote:

GoHokies wrote:

The problem is they are only scheduled to receive 16 planes in 2018 and 45 planes in 2019

2018
16 737 Max 8

2019
20 737 Max 8
25 A321neo

Those 61 deliveries do not offset the 45 MD-80s and 20 E-190s that AA has said will be removed from the fleet by 2019.

IIRC correctly from this forum, the improved dispatch rate of the new planes over the MD-80 means 1 737 is essentially replacing 1.5 MD-80. If they can make it through the summer season, then it seems safe to assume they will be fine for 2018.

GoHokies wrote:

The 2018 fleet plan is going to be very interesting. If my calculations are correct, then AA is going to face a fleet crunch in 2018 that will carry over into 2019 as well.

By 2019, they are scheduled to retire the following mainline narrow body aircraft

MD-80 - 45 planes
E-190 - 20 planes

The problem is they are only scheduled to receive 16 planes in 2018 and 45 planes in 2019

2018
16 737 Max 8

2019
20 737 Max 8
25 A321neo

Those 61 deliveries do not offset the 45 MD-80s and 20 E-190s that AA has said will be removed from the fleet by 2019.

On the wide body side they have said that they plan on retiring all 9 A330-300 by 2019, but they only have 8 or 9 more 787-9s to be delivered in the next two years which doesn’t leave any room to retire 767-300ERs.

The fleet crunch on the regional side is arguably even worse. They will lose the remaining ~30 or so Air Wisconsin CRJ2s by Feb 2018 along with 11 DH8-300s by July.

They have 38 E-140s that can be re-activated and they are supposed to get 8 CRJ7s that will be flown by ExpressJet, but I personally think it is doubtful that Envoy can hire enough pilots to staff the 38 E-140s and I think ExpressJet staffing the existing 12 CRJ7s much less 8 additional ones is doubtful. AA is supposed to get a few E-175s toward the end of the year with a few more deliveries in 2019.

What is the life span of CRJ2s and E-145s? There hasn’t been a 50 seater delivered in over a decade and at some point these high cycle planes are going to wear out.

LPSHobby wrote:

I just want to know when the jurassic 763 will e replaced on CNF-MIA, those planes are terrible

atcsundevil wrote:

Since the repaint has been completed, the thread title has been updated to "AA Fleet Updates".

✈️ atcsundevil

csturdiv wrote:

There is at least one B738 in the old livery still, I flew it maybe 10 days ago RSW-DFW. I think it was N921AN. Was kind of nice seeing the old livery again, even though I do like the new one. It really shines on a few aircraft.

Sancho99504 wrote:

Can anyone tell me anything about the US 757 fleet flying PHX-Hawaii? Such as Wi-Fi, streaming, power, etc? Other than 12F, are they bare bones like the GO 757s that used to ply the routes? AA website shows Wi-Fi and power, but I've learned in the past, the site is unreliable in that department. I'm going to be flying frequently to HNL this summer and the avgeek in me wants to ride as many 757s as I can, but with having a lie flat 772 from DFW, I'd like to at least have power, since I can download whatever from Amazon or Netflix. Thanks in advance.

MO11 wrote:

Sancho99504 wrote:

Can anyone tell me anything about the US 757 fleet flying PHX-Hawaii? Such as Wi-Fi, streaming, power, etc? Other than 12F, are they bare bones like the GO 757s that used to ply the routes? AA website shows Wi-Fi and power, but I've learned in the past, the site is unreliable in that department. I'm going to be flying frequently to HNL this summer and the avgeek in me wants to ride as many 757s as I can, but with having a lie flat 772 from DFW, I'd like to at least have power, since I can download whatever from Amazon or Netflix. Thanks in advance.

I just flew a roundtrip. The only 757s it uses are the 10 ex-US airplanes that remain, so no power or (satellite) WiFi. Movie on aisle screens. The AA website describes the new Main Cabin Extra configuration, and none of these airplanes have that.

UA444 wrote:

I also think a few MD-80s will make it to the paint shop.

Boof02671 wrote:

UA444 wrote:

I also think a few MD-80s will make it to the paint shop.

Give up the pipe dream, all mainline planes are painted.

There will be NO MD80s painted at all.

LPSHobby wrote:

I just want to know when the jurassic 763 will e replaced on CNF-MIA, those planes are terrible

Narfish641 wrote:

I don't see what's wrong with keeping a few 767-300ERs in the fleet until the 787-9 are delivered (Dispite the small numbers), quite a few of them are around 13 years of age. So they are still useful.

atcsundevil wrote:

csturdiv wrote:

There is at least one B738 in the old livery still, I flew it maybe 10 days ago RSW-DFW. I think it was N921AN. Was kind of nice seeing the old livery again, even though I do like the new one. It really shines on a few aircraft.

That's a legacy livery, just like the Piedmont and Allegheny liveries. My understanding is that all aircraft that will be repainted have been repainted.

csturdiv wrote:

I also flew a few Mesa CR9s while I was back home DFW-EVV-DFW and a majority of them seemed "tired", at least the interiors. A few of the seatback pockets were ripped and dangling and overall it seemed to have a "cheap" feel to them. Was a good series of flights nonetheless and it was better than the 135s/140s that dominated the AA flying out of EVV,

Swadian wrote:

Narfish641 wrote:

I don't see what's wrong with keeping a few 767-300ERs in the fleet until the 787-9 are delivered (Dispite the small numbers), quite a few of them are around 13 years of age. So they are still useful.

How early can AA get more 789 delivery slots? Can they use some of the 24x 75Ls to fill in for 763s?

I wouldn't be surprised if most of the 763s to Europe get replaced by 77Es like the DFW-Hawaii flights. PHL-LIS could go back to 75L and even PHL-PRG could do it if stretched. There's some slack in the 75L and A332 fleets with the former being used on Caribbean flights and the latter wasting seats on PHL-CLT half-empty rotations.

RunningSpotter wrote:

Hi guys,

I'm new to the site.
I have a question about the Legacy AA A319 jets with Sharklets that were recently delivered.
I saw on seatguru and checked the American Airlines site about them. The seating looks like it will be the same for a while. I haven't heard any news if the inseat IFE will be removed or not. Any updates on this?
Also, where does it specifically say that AA will remove the inseat IFE on its narrowbody jets? I understand that there will be capacity and seat increases on existing 737-800 planes and A321 jets, but where did American actually say that the IFE will be completely removed? Is there a link?

This is my first ever post on Airliners.net so forgive me if I missed any details.

Swadian wrote:

Narfish641 wrote:

I don't see what's wrong with keeping a few 767-300ERs in the fleet until the 787-9 are delivered (Dispite the small numbers), quite a few of them are around 13 years of age. So they are still useful.

How early can AA get more 789 delivery slots? Can they use some of the 24x 75Ls to fill in for 763s?

I wouldn't be surprised if most of the 763s to Europe get replaced by 77Es like the DFW-Hawaii flights. PHL-LIS could go back to 75L and even PHL-PRG could do it if stretched. There's some slack in the 75L and A332 fleets with the former being used on Caribbean flights and the latter wasting seats on PHL-CLT half-empty rotations.

American 767 wrote:

And how about downgrading JFK-CDG to the 757 but bringing it back up to 2x daily llike it was before? AA 44/45 and 120/121, both on the 757. That could be a solution if there is no more 763 available to cover the JFK-CDG daily flight. Yes customers may be dissatisfied about the idea of bringing the 757 back but what they might be happy about is doubling the frequency. This will give customers more flexibility.

I mentioned in another post that I would not expect anymore 757 retirement, at least not this year, since all remaining 757s (34 of them) are International 757s which feature the updated C and Y seats.

usairways85 wrote:

American 767 wrote:

And how about downgrading JFK-CDG to the 757 but bringing it back up to 2x daily llike it was before? AA 44/45 and 120/121, both on the 757. That could be a solution if there is no more 763 available to cover the JFK-CDG daily flight. Yes customers may be dissatisfied about the idea of bringing the 757 back but what they might be happy about is doubling the frequency. This will give customers more flexibility.

I mentioned in another post that I would not expect anymore 757 retirement, at least not this year, since all remaining 757s (34 of them) are International 757s which feature the updated C and Y seats.

We haven't heard anything about the "soon" to be announced 75L transcon service starting in S18. This will utilize several of these "spare" 75L frames. The 75L are terrible for Europe-US flights in the winter, save for the UK and Ireland. They are diverted on a regular basis for fuel stops. The 75L on AMS-PHL has been diverted 6 times in roughly the past month.

MO11 wrote:

I just flew a roundtrip. The only 757s it uses are the 10 ex-US airplanes that remain, so no power or (satellite) WiFi. Movie on aisle screens. The AA website describes the new Main Cabin Extra configuration, and none of these airplanes have that.

AA321T wrote:

The LAA A319s and the A321Ts are the only narrowbody aircraft retaining their IFE systems. I’ll have to dig around for a public link, as the one I have is for the internal website.

OB1504 wrote:

Why would they be removing the IFE from the 737-800s and standard A321s but not the A319s?

Swadian wrote:

a 777 is coming back to LAX-MIA

deltaffindfw wrote:

OB1504 wrote:

Why would they be removing the IFE from the 737-800s and standard A321s but not the A319s?

Most likely because the LAA A321s seat 181 and the LUS A321s seat 187, and they want to move to 192 seats. So, they need to reconfigure all of them. Same with the 738. They now seat 160, and then will seat 172. Whereas both the LAA and LUS A319s seat 128, and that will not change. So, it would be a waste of money to rip everything out when you are not adding any capacity.

N62NA wrote:

Swadian wrote:

a 777 is coming back to LAX-MIA

Unfortunately, that's only for a few weeks in the Spring. Then it's back to those miserable 32Bs.

UA444 wrote:

I also think a few MD-80s will make it to the paint shop.

Swadian wrote:

I did a check and found some occasional 75L SFO-MIA flights in the spring but only 1x daily and nothing else. I believe that 75L transcon service may have only been a rumor as a 777 is coming back to LAX-MIA. Slight correction that 24x are 75L and 10x are 75H. Since both 75L and 763 don't have IFE, the extra frequency would presumably be more valuable.

FSDan wrote:

Swadian wrote:

I did a check and found some occasional 75L SFO-MIA flights in the spring but only 1x daily and nothing else. I believe that 75L transcon service may have only been a rumor as a 777 is coming back to LAX-MIA. Slight correction that 24x are 75L and 10x are 75H. Since both 75L and 763 don't have IFE, the extra frequency would presumably be more valuable.

I believe the rumor was that the transcon 75L flying would start in June. Those schedules aren't finalized yet (and probably won't be for another month or two), so it's still definitely a possibility.

deltaffindfw wrote:

OB1504 wrote:

Why would they be removing the IFE from the 737-800s and standard A321s but not the A319s?

Most likely because the LAA A321s seat 181 and the LUS A321s seat 187, and they want to move to 192 seats. So, they need to reconfigure all of them. Same with the 738. They now seat 160, and then will seat 172. Whereas both the LAA and LUS A319s seat 128, and that will not change. So, it would be a waste of money to rip everything out when you are not adding any capacity.

FSDan wrote:

Swadian wrote:

I did a check and found some occasional 75L SFO-MIA flights in the spring but only 1x daily and nothing else. I believe that 75L transcon service may have only been a rumor as a 777 is coming back to LAX-MIA. Slight correction that 24x are 75L and 10x are 75H. Since both 75L and 763 don't have IFE, the extra frequency would presumably be more valuable.

I believe the rumor was that the transcon 75L flying would start in June. Those schedules aren't finalized yet (and probably won't be for another month or two), so it's still definitely a possibility.

alasizon wrote:

FSDan wrote:

Swadian wrote:

I did a check and found some occasional 75L SFO-MIA flights in the spring but only 1x daily and nothing else. I believe that 75L transcon service may have only been a rumor as a 777 is coming back to LAX-MIA. Slight correction that 24x are 75L and 10x are 75H. Since both 75L and 763 don't have IFE, the extra frequency would presumably be more valuable.

I believe the rumor was that the transcon 75L flying would start in June. Those schedules aren't finalized yet (and probably won't be for another month or two), so it's still definitely a possibility.

Its another month before the prelim June schedule comes out, even then it won't be loaded into RES for another couple weeks after that. However I'm hearing there will be a lot of changes in the AA schedule for June forward across the entire system so we shall see what ends up happening.

Runway28L wrote:

What about 772s/763s coming to PHL and CLT?

American 767 wrote:

Speaking of cross fleets between L-AA and L-US fleets and hubs, how about A330s at JFK and MIA? The A332s should do what the A300s used to do back in the 90s and 2000s: based out of JFK and MIA and fly to the Carribean, as well as JFK-MIA multiple times daily as the 767s are leaving progressively.

Narfish641 wrote:

Swadian wrote:

Narfish641 wrote:

I don't see what's wrong with keeping a few 767-300ERs in the fleet until the 787-9 are delivered (Dispite the small numbers), quite a few of them are around 13 years of age. So they are still useful.

How early can AA get more 789 delivery slots? Can they use some of the 24x 75Ls to fill in for 763s?

I wouldn't be surprised if most of the 763s to Europe get replaced by 77Es like the DFW-Hawaii flights. PHL-LIS could go back to 75L and even PHL-PRG could do it if stretched. There's some slack in the 75L and A332 fleets with the former being used on Caribbean flights and the latter wasting seats on PHL-CLT half-empty rotations.

I overheard someone saying in the tread that there is 6 more 787-9s on order. I not quite sure when will we will see another 787-9 delivery. If I'm not mistaken I think there was a recent delivery a few weeks ago unless I'm mistaken it for another airline.

OB1504 wrote:

MO11 wrote:

I just flew a roundtrip. The only 757s it uses are the 10 ex-US airplanes that remain, so no power or (satellite) WiFi. Movie on aisle screens. The AA website describes the new Main Cabin Extra configuration, and none of these airplanes have that.

I believe all of the LUS 757s have been retrofitted with Main Cabin Extra in the first few rows of the main cabin.

AA321T wrote:

The LAA A319s and the A321Ts are the only narrowbody aircraft retaining their IFE systems. I’ll have to dig around for a public link, as the one I have is for the internal website.

Why would they be removing the IFE from the 737-800s and standard A321s but not the A319s?

USAirKid wrote:

American 767 wrote:

Speaking of cross fleets between L-AA and L-US fleets and hubs, how about A330s at JFK and MIA? The A332s should do what the A300s used to do back in the 90s and 2000s: based out of JFK and MIA and fly to the Carribean, as well as JFK-MIA multiple times daily as the 767s are leaving progressively.

Didn't B6 hand AA their lunch on these routes? Not sure AA would want to dump that much capacity on a VFR market.

len90 wrote:

I was at PHL for a few hours yesterday and today. Some cross fleeting would be nice to see. Right now the only cross fleeting is from Republic with the 175s. A few of the -YX planes cycle through PHL now bringing some change to the -HQ ones.

Piedmont 145s are abundant as the turboprop has disappeared and the Air Wisconsin flying has decreased to an extent as well.

For mainline at PHL: L-US 321s galore. A couple of 319s and 320s sprinkled in. A single L-US 757 from PHX, L-US 332s for transatlantic with the LHR flight being a 333. I think there was a single L-AA aircraft on final from MIA when I left just after 4PM today.

American 767 wrote:

It looks like the number of 767 departures out of JFK is now steadily decreasing. I think that at this point it is safe to say that there are now less than ten 767 departures a day at JFK and this will continue to decrease as the retirement continues. Where do they fly out of JFK with the 767? CDG, MAD and MIA. I don't see where else.
Speaking of cross fleets between L-AA and L-US fleets and hubs, how about A330s at JFK and MIA? The A332s should do what the A300s used to do back in the 90s and 2000s: based out of JFK and MIA and fly to the Carribean, as well as JFK-MIA multiple times daily as the 767s are leaving progressively.

itchief wrote:

OB1504 wrote:

MO11 wrote:

I just flew a roundtrip. The only 757s it uses are the 10 ex-US airplanes that remain, so no power or (satellite) WiFi. Movie on aisle screens. The AA website describes the new Main Cabin Extra configuration, and none of these airplanes have that.

I believe all of the LUS 757s have been retrofitted with Main Cabin Extra in the first few rows of the main cabin.

AA321T wrote:

The LAA A319s and the A321Ts are the only narrowbody aircraft retaining their IFE systems. I’ll have to dig around for a public link, as the one I have is for the internal website.

Why would they be removing the IFE from the 737-800s and standard A321s but not the A319s?

They are removing IFE because Doug Parker and his minions think that is what customers want or it will save them money, oh it is both. They are adding seats to all 737/A321's(except A321T). They can't add seats to the A319 fleet because they are already so packed in you can't move your legs. The post above says the LUS 757's have Main Cabin Extra but I do not think any LUS aircraft have MCE, even after seat refit upgrades. The AA fleet it a mess of different configurations.

Runway28L wrote:

len90 wrote:

I was at PHL for a few hours yesterday and today. Some cross fleeting would be nice to see. Right now the only cross fleeting is from Republic with the 175s. A few of the -YX planes cycle through PHL now bringing some change to the -HQ ones.

Piedmont 145s are abundant as the turboprop has disappeared and the Air Wisconsin flying has decreased to an extent as well.

For mainline at PHL: L-US 321s galore. A couple of 319s and 320s sprinkled in. A single L-US 757 from PHX, L-US 332s for transatlantic with the LHR flight being a 333. I think there was a single L-AA aircraft on final from MIA when I left just after 4PM today.

I thought PHL had a bit more crossfleeting than what you've observed. I saw L-AA 752s and 738s operating PHL-BOS this summer as well as 738s to PBI, MSP, RDU, and even DEN and LAX.

You are right about the A321s though. They are pretty much 80% of what I see to/from PHL on FR24. Would be nice if some 32Bs came in.

Runway28L wrote:

len90 wrote:

I was at PHL for a few hours yesterday and today. Some cross fleeting would be nice to see. Right now the only cross fleeting is from Republic with the 175s. A few of the -YX planes cycle through PHL now bringing some change to the -HQ ones.

Piedmont 145s are abundant as the turboprop has disappeared and the Air Wisconsin flying has decreased to an extent as well.

For mainline at PHL: L-US 321s galore. A couple of 319s and 320s sprinkled in. A single L-US 757 from PHX, L-US 332s for transatlantic with the LHR flight being a 333. I think there was a single L-AA aircraft on final from MIA when I left just after 4PM today.

I thought PHL had a bit more crossfleeting than what you've observed. I saw L-AA 752s and 738s operating PHL-BOS this summer as well as 738s to PBI, MSP, RDU, and even DEN and LAX.

You are right about the A321s though. They are pretty much 80% of what I see to/from PHL on FR24. Would be nice if some 32Bs came in.

Swadian wrote:

American 767 wrote:

It looks like the number of 767 departures out of JFK is now steadily decreasing. I think that at this point it is safe to say that there are now less than ten 767 departures a day at JFK and this will continue to decrease as the retirement continues. Where do they fly out of JFK with the 767? CDG, MAD and MIA. I don't see where else.
Speaking of cross fleets between L-AA and L-US fleets and hubs, how about A330s at JFK and MIA? The A332s should do what the A300s used to do back in the 90s and 2000s: based out of JFK and MIA and fly to the Carribean, as well as JFK-MIA multiple times daily as the 767s are leaving progressively.

JFK-MXP is still 763. I agree with others that JFK/MIA-Caribbean are not going to get A332s after B6 took over much of that market. Perhaps we will see A332s out of JFK and MIA on Europe & South America flights after 763 retirement. With few 787s coming in and pending 763 and A333 retirement, AA can't afford to waste widebody capacity on routes that don't need the range.

itchief wrote:

OB1504 wrote:

I believe all of the LUS 757s have been retrofitted with Main Cabin Extra in the first few rows of the main cabin.



Why would they be removing the IFE from the 737-800s and standard A321s but not the A319s?

They are removing IFE because Doug Parker and his minions think that is what customers want or it will save them money, oh it is both. They are adding seats to all 737/A321's(except A321T). They can't add seats to the A319 fleet because they are already so packed in you can't move your legs. The post above says the LUS 757's have Main Cabin Extra but I do not think any LUS aircraft have MCE, even after seat refit upgrades. The AA fleet it a mess of different configurations.

It's not as much of a mess as you may think. The 757 fleet is relatively straightforward, mainly because most of them were retired and the 10 remaining LUS 75H aircraft all have 12F/176Y with MCE.

As for A319, they all have the same configuration, just that the LAA ones have PTVs. I agree that their legroom is atrocious - today's MCE feels like an old Greyhound!

ahj2000 wrote:

Swadian wrote:

American 767 wrote:

It looks like the number of 767 departures out of JFK is now steadily decreasing. I think that at this point it is safe to say that there are now less than ten 767 departures a day at JFK and this will continue to decrease as the retirement continues. Where do they fly out of JFK with the 767? CDG, MAD and MIA. I don't see where else.
Speaking of cross fleets between L-AA and L-US fleets and hubs, how about A330s at JFK and MIA? The A332s should do what the A300s used to do back in the 90s and 2000s: based out of JFK and MIA and fly to the Carribean, as well as JFK-MIA multiple times daily as the 767s are leaving progressively.

JFK-MXP is still 763. I agree with others that JFK/MIA-Caribbean are not going to get A332s after B6 took over much of that market. Perhaps we will see A332s out of JFK and MIA on Europe & South America flights after 763 retirement. With few 787s coming in and pending 763 and A333 retirement, AA can't afford to waste widebody capacity on routes that don't need the range.

itchief wrote:

They are removing IFE because Doug Parker and his minions think that is what customers want or it will save them money, oh it is both. They are adding seats to all 737/A321's(except A321T). They can't add seats to the A319 fleet because they are already so packed in you can't move your legs. The post above says the LUS 757's have Main Cabin Extra but I do not think any LUS aircraft have MCE, even after seat refit upgrades. The AA fleet it a mess of different configurations.

It's not as much of a mess as you may think. The 757 fleet is relatively straightforward, mainly because most of them were retired and the 10 remaining LUS 75H aircraft all have 12F/176Y with MCE.

As for A319, they all have the same configuration, just that the LAA ones have PTVs. I agree that their legroom is atrocious - today's MCE feels like an old Greyhound!

If you think those feel like a Greyhound, try Frontier or Spirit. Two hours hurt on both and I’m not even 6'.

As for more crossfleeting, has Phoenix seen any?