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02 JANUARY, 2018 SOURCE: FLIGHT DASHBOARD BY: JON HEMMERDINGER BOSTON
Bombardier closed 2017 without achieving its revised and steeply-reduced CSeries delivery target for the year, having handed over 17 CS100s and CS300s in 2017.
The aircraft include three CS100s and seven CS300s handed over to Swiss, five CS300s delivered to Air Baltic and two CS300s delivered to Korean Air, according to the company and Flight Fleets Analyzer.
Amiga500 wrote:There was a comment in the other thread about why certain frames destined for Braathens/BRA were not reassigned.
The answer to that would likely lie in earlier airframes having more issues with them than later airframes. Most airlines would not be overly keen at taking an earlier frame if it meant different inspection intervals and different maintenance procedures.
INFINITI329 wrote:So this BBD's version of the terrible teens?
KarelXWB wrote:According to Korean Air, 8 more CS300 aircraft will be delivered in 2018.
Amiga500 wrote:There was a comment in the other thread about why certain frames destined for Braathens/BRA were not reassigned.
The answer to that would likely lie in earlier airframes having more issues with them than later airframes. Most airlines would not be overly keen at taking an earlier frame if it meant different inspection intervals and different maintenance procedures.
KarelXWB wrote:Amiga500 wrote:There was a comment in the other thread about why certain frames destined for Braathens/BRA were not reassigned.
The answer to that would likely lie in earlier airframes having more issues with them than later airframes. Most airlines would not be overly keen at taking an earlier frame if it meant different inspection intervals and different maintenance procedures.
I suppose you are referring to the 6 aircraft that are visible in the photo below? At least 3 aircraft in the picture below are the very first production aircraft (MSN 50007, 50008, 50009). Remember that Braathens/BRA was the original launch customer but bailed out when the first aircraft were already in final assembly.
These aircraft are certainly not waiting for engines. It's not clear why Bombardier didn't deliver them to other customers. Perhaps some post certification rework is required, and Bombardier didn't want to spill its resources as it was fully focussend on production ramp-up. Or perhaps Bombardier decided that changing the customer specification was too time consuming, and stored these aircraft until Braathens/BRA is ready to accept delivery.
The 4th aircraft in the picture below is MSN 55017, a CS300 business jet with unknown customer.
The 5th and 6th aircraft in the picture below are MSN 50018 and 50019, two CS100 aircraft for Swiss.
Cseries - YMX by CYUL Plane Spotter, on Flickr
SteelChair wrote:Does anyone know about other stored frames,? At one point frames were stored in the CRJ building. I'm wondering if the production rate was slowed in the last month or two of 2017 or if frames are continuing to pile up.
Also, I wonder how long before the announcement that Aeromexico is taking the early Delta delivery slots.
Jetsouth wrote:I also wonder how many frames they have in storage and if that is the reason for lower than expected deliveries.
3 for Braathens, and the others are for.....?
KarelXWB wrote:No idea how many aircraft are inside the hangars currently.Jetsouth wrote:I also wonder how many frames they have in storage and if that is the reason for lower than expected deliveries.
Bombardier never increased production rate to 4 aircraft per month that was required to meet its original delivery target. Instead, production rate stayed at 2 aircraft per month during 2017. As such, not many aircraft can be in storage.3 for Braathens, and the others are for.....?
See my comment above: 3x Braathens (CS100), 2x Swiss (CS100) and 1x VIP (CS300).
Jetsouth wrote:KarelXWB wrote:No idea how many aircraft are inside the hangars currently.Jetsouth wrote:I also wonder how many frames they have in storage and if that is the reason for lower than expected deliveries.
Bombardier never increased production rate to 4 aircraft per month that was required to meet its original delivery target. Instead, production rate stayed at 2 aircraft per month during 2017. As such, not many aircraft can be in storage.3 for Braathens, and the others are for.....?
See my comment above: 3x Braathens (CS100), 2x Swiss (CS100) and 1x VIP (CS300).
Any idea why the 2 CS100's for SWISS are in storage? I thought SWISS needed planes urgently, at least the CS300's. Is it possible they no longer want the CS100's and want these two replaced with CS300's instead?
SteelChair wrote:Are the delays the result of engine or Bombardier production issues? The silence of real information from Bombardier is deafening.
Jetsouth wrote:If the 3 for Braathens, the 1 for private, the 2 CS100's for SWISS (all in outside storage), and assuming the 3 or so already almost completed for Delta will go to Aero Mexico instead, and one complete/almost complete for each of AirBaltic, SWISS and Korean, that would mean at least 12 frames that could be delivered relatively quickly
Midwestindy wrote:I heard MSN 50020; 50021; 50022: "On Order, Final Assembly Line" Can anyone confirm this?
Jetsouth wrote:Now that SWISS, airBaltic and Korean are flying the CSeries, does anyone have an idea which will be the next airline to fly the CSeries, and when? Originally, I suppose, it was going to be Delta, but Delta is delayed until later this year when the plane will be produced in the States.
yyztpa wrote:Midwestindy wrote:I heard MSN 50020; 50021; 50022: "On Order, Final Assembly Line" Can anyone confirm this?
55020 was delivered to Swiss on December 20, 2017 while 55021 for Swiss had fist test flight December 31, and 55022 for Korean had first test flight January 25.
Amiga500 wrote:INFINITI329 wrote:So this BBD's version of the terrible teens?
Yes, only not quite so terrible.
It should be noted all airframes have them. A380, A350, B787, none are exempt from updated parts coming at numerous points along the first few dozen frames.
DLHAM wrote:Does anybody know who got those Delta delivery slots? So far only LX, BT and KE got CSeries. So DL end of year ... Whos the next to get the 100 then? (Was supposed to be Delta i guess).
There is that wonderful Google Sheets File, it says Braathens maybe gets three of the earlier planes, which belong to the stored ones I guess. So they could be the next 100 operator.
KarelXWB wrote:DLHAM wrote:Does anybody know who got those Delta delivery slots? So far only LX, BT and KE got CSeries. So DL end of year ... Whos the next to get the 100 then? (Was supposed to be Delta i guess).
There is that wonderful Google Sheets File, it says Braathens maybe gets three of the earlier planes, which belong to the stored ones I guess. So they could be the next 100 operator.
Air Tanzania should get some CS300 later this year, see https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... ment-plans
SteelChair wrote:According to the abcdlist website, 55016 delivered today (February 3) to airBaltic, but I don't see YL-CSH flying to RIX.
First flight was November 30, so a VERY long time from first flight to delivery. Cabin completion or engine?
KarelXWB wrote:SteelChair wrote:According to the abcdlist website, 55016 delivered today (February 3) to airBaltic, but I don't see YL-CSH flying to RIX.
First flight was November 30, so a VERY long time from first flight to delivery. Cabin completion or engine?
airBaltic has pushed back some deliveries, see http://www.delfi.lv/bizness/transports- ... d=49599157
SINGAPORE–Bombardier and Airbus could have a final assembly line in the U.S. up and running within a year of a go-ahead, but it remains undecided whether C Series jets ordered by Delta Air Lines will be produced there or in Canada, says Colin Bole, senior vice president for commercial at Bombardier Commercial Aircraft.
While the two airframers are limited in what information they can share before Airbus’ deal to acquire a controlling stake in the C Series program wins regulatory approval, integration with Airbus is now the “top priority,” says Bole. “You can do ‘as if’ planning as long as there is nothing exchanged of a sensitive commercial nature,” Bole told Aviation Week on the sidelines of the Singapore Airshow.
Bole says it hasn’t been decided if Delta will revert to the original plan to take jets built in Canada, but confirmed that the initial delivery date of April will not be met. “When we deliver to Delta will have a significant bearing on what 2019 [output] looks like,” he says. Bombardier plans to produce 40 C Series jet in 2018.
nikeson13 wrote:http://aviationweek.com/singapore-airshow-2018/airbus-integration-top-priority-bombardier
From the article:SINGAPORE–Bombardier and Airbus could have a final assembly line in the U.S. up and running within a year of a go-ahead, but it remains undecided whether C Series jets ordered by Delta Air Lines will be produced there or in Canada, says Colin Bole, senior vice president for commercial at Bombardier Commercial Aircraft.
While the two airframers are limited in what information they can share before Airbus’ deal to acquire a controlling stake in the C Series program wins regulatory approval, integration with Airbus is now the “top priority,” says Bole. “You can do ‘as if’ planning as long as there is nothing exchanged of a sensitive commercial nature,” Bole told Aviation Week on the sidelines of the Singapore Airshow....
QuarkFly wrote:
I still wonder if this Airbus/Bombardier alliance will last for the long term anyhow....an Airbus/Bombardier assembly facility would require sensitive, yet awkward intellectual property agreements. The Canadian government, with large investment in Bombardier, may not go for it.
Doubt a US assembly facility will ever happen if there is no more dumping claims against C-Series. Makes no sense to have two lines within about 1000 miles of each other, two hours flying time, for such a low rate of C-Series production...for now it would be a factory just for Delta.