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CSeries Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:54 am

New year, new thread.

The previous discussion can be found at CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

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Re: CSeries Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:56 am

To recap, Bombardier missed its revised delivery target:

02 JANUARY, 2018 SOURCE: FLIGHT DASHBOARD BY: JON HEMMERDINGER BOSTON
Bombardier closed 2017 without achieving its revised and steeply-reduced CSeries delivery target for the year, having handed over 17 CS100s and CS300s in 2017.

The aircraft include three CS100s and seven CS300s handed over to Swiss, five CS300s delivered to Air Baltic and two CS300s delivered to Korean Air, according to the company and Flight Fleets Analyzer.


https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... f178015958
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Re: CSeries Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:38 pm

Not reported here yet, another LX CS300 has made its first flight on the last day of last year.
 
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Re: CSeries Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:43 pm

There was a comment in the other thread about why certain frames destined for Braathens/BRA were not reassigned.

The answer to that would likely lie in earlier airframes having more issues with them than later airframes. Most airlines would not be overly keen at taking an earlier frame if it meant different inspection intervals and different maintenance procedures.
 
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Re: CSeries Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:01 pm

Amiga500 wrote:
There was a comment in the other thread about why certain frames destined for Braathens/BRA were not reassigned.

The answer to that would likely lie in earlier airframes having more issues with them than later airframes. Most airlines would not be overly keen at taking an earlier frame if it meant different inspection intervals and different maintenance procedures.


So this BBD's version of the terrible teens?
 
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Re: CSeries Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:42 pm

INFINITI329 wrote:
So this BBD's version of the terrible teens?


Yes, only not quite so terrible.

It should be noted all airframes have them. A380, A350, B787, none are exempt from updated parts coming at numerous points along the first few dozen frames.
 
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Re: CSeries Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:31 am

According to Korean Air, 8 more CS300 aircraft will be delivered in 2018.
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Re: CSeries Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:41 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
According to Korean Air, 8 more CS300 aircraft will be delivered in 2018.


So, these aircraft are part of the targeted 40 deliveries in 2018.
 
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Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:29 am

Which is the next airline to fly the CSeries?
 
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Re: CSeries Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:05 am

Amiga500 wrote:
There was a comment in the other thread about why certain frames destined for Braathens/BRA were not reassigned.

The answer to that would likely lie in earlier airframes having more issues with them than later airframes. Most airlines would not be overly keen at taking an earlier frame if it meant different inspection intervals and different maintenance procedures.


I suppose you are referring to the 6 aircraft that are visible in the photo below? At least 3 aircraft in the picture below are the very first production aircraft (MSN 50007, 50008, 50009). Remember that Braathens/BRA was the original launch customer but bailed out when the first aircraft were already in final assembly.

These aircraft are certainly not waiting for engines. It's not clear why Bombardier didn't deliver them to other customers. Perhaps some post certification rework is required, and Bombardier didn't want to spill its resources as it was fully focussend on production ramp-up. Or perhaps Bombardier decided that changing the customer specification was too time consuming, and stored these aircraft until Braathens/BRA is ready to accept delivery.

The 4th aircraft in the picture below is MSN 55017, a CS300 business jet with unknown customer.

The 5th and 6th aircraft in the picture below are MSN 50018 and 50019, two CS100 aircraft for Swiss.

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Re: CSeries Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:37 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Amiga500 wrote:
There was a comment in the other thread about why certain frames destined for Braathens/BRA were not reassigned.

The answer to that would likely lie in earlier airframes having more issues with them than later airframes. Most airlines would not be overly keen at taking an earlier frame if it meant different inspection intervals and different maintenance procedures.


I suppose you are referring to the 6 aircraft that are visible in the photo below? At least 3 aircraft in the picture below are the very first production aircraft (MSN 50007, 50008, 50009). Remember that Braathens/BRA was the original launch customer but bailed out when the first aircraft were already in final assembly.

These aircraft are certainly not waiting for engines. It's not clear why Bombardier didn't deliver them to other customers. Perhaps some post certification rework is required, and Bombardier didn't want to spill its resources as it was fully focussend on production ramp-up. Or perhaps Bombardier decided that changing the customer specification was too time consuming, and stored these aircraft until Braathens/BRA is ready to accept delivery.

The 4th aircraft in the picture below is MSN 55017, a CS300 business jet with unknown customer.

The 5th and 6th aircraft in the picture below are MSN 50018 and 50019, two CS100 aircraft for Swiss.

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Cseries - YMX by CYUL Plane Spotter, on Flickr

Also, I understand that there were several CS100 jets that were partially assembled for delivery to Delta that are also put on hold. I suppose potentially they may be delivered to Aero Mexico if a contract is entered into with them? Does anyone know regarding the status of those jets? Seems line Bombardier has many partially assembled jets sitting around that cannot be delivered/completed due to various reasons.
 
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Re: CSeries Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:22 pm

Does anyone know about other stored frames,? At one point frames were stored in the CRJ building. I'm wondering if the production rate was slowed in the last month or two of 2017 or if frames are continuing to pile up.

Also, I wonder how long before the announcement that Aeromexico is taking the early Delta delivery slots.
 
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:11 pm

SteelChair wrote:
Does anyone know about other stored frames,? At one point frames were stored in the CRJ building. I'm wondering if the production rate was slowed in the last month or two of 2017 or if frames are continuing to pile up.

Also, I wonder how long before the announcement that Aeromexico is taking the early Delta delivery slots.


I also wonder how many frames they have in storage and if that is the reason for lower than expected deliveries. There seems to be about 6 frames in outside storage since last winter, most presumably 3 for Braathens, and the others are for.....? In addition, I know that they started production of at least 2-3 frames for Delta that must also be in storage somewhere, however production of these frames started no earlier than late summer/early fall, so these must be on top of the 6 frames in outside storage since last winter.
 
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Re: CSeries Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:15 pm

No idea how many aircraft are inside the hangars currently.

Jetsouth wrote:
I also wonder how many frames they have in storage and if that is the reason for lower than expected deliveries.


Bombardier never increased production rate to 4 aircraft per month that was required to meet its original delivery target. Instead, production rate stayed at 2 aircraft per month during 2017. As such, not many aircraft can be in storage.

3 for Braathens, and the others are for.....?


See my comment above: 3x Braathens (CS100), 2x Swiss (CS100) and 1x VIP (CS300).
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Re: CSeries Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:16 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
No idea how many aircraft are inside the hangars currently.

Jetsouth wrote:
I also wonder how many frames they have in storage and if that is the reason for lower than expected deliveries.


Bombardier never increased production rate to 4 aircraft per month that was required to meet its original delivery target. Instead, production rate stayed at 2 aircraft per month during 2017. As such, not many aircraft can be in storage.

3 for Braathens, and the others are for.....?


See my comment above: 3x Braathens (CS100), 2x Swiss (CS100) and 1x VIP (CS300).


Any idea why the 2 CS100's for SWISS are in storage? I thought SWISS needed planes urgently, at least the CS300's. Is it possible they no longer want the CS100's and want these two replaced with CS300's instead?
 
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Re: CSeries Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:19 pm

My guess is Swiss airplanes are waiting for engines. According to Faust, Swiss' next CS300 is one of the first to get an improved engine with redesign combustion chamber.
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Re: CSeries Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:34 pm

Seems like that same questions people have been asking for the last year or so with regard to this program: Are the delays the result of engine or Bombardier production issues? The silence of real information from Bombardier is deafening.
 
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Re: CSeries Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:15 pm

Jetsouth wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
No idea how many aircraft are inside the hangars currently.

Jetsouth wrote:
I also wonder how many frames they have in storage and if that is the reason for lower than expected deliveries.


Bombardier never increased production rate to 4 aircraft per month that was required to meet its original delivery target. Instead, production rate stayed at 2 aircraft per month during 2017. As such, not many aircraft can be in storage.

3 for Braathens, and the others are for.....?


See my comment above: 3x Braathens (CS100), 2x Swiss (CS100) and 1x VIP (CS300).


Any idea why the 2 CS100's for SWISS are in storage? I thought SWISS needed planes urgently, at least the CS300's. Is it possible they no longer want the CS100's and want these two replaced with CS300's instead?


I don't have a source for it; I may have read it on Fliegerfaust a year ago or more ago, but apparently SWISS were aware in late 2016 / early 2017 of the engine delivery delays (due to fan blades), so opt'ed to push the CS100 deliveries to 2018, and get the larger CS300 earlier. The first SWISS CS300 was delivered in May 2017.
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Re: CSeries Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:53 pm

If the 3 for Braathens, the 1 for private, the 2 CS100's for SWISS (all in outside storage), and assuming the 3 or so already almost completed for Delta will go to Aero Mexico instead, and one complete/almost complete for each of AirBaltic, SWISS and Korean, that would mean at least 12 frames that could be delivered relatively quickly
 
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Re: CSeries Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:00 am

SteelChair wrote:
Are the delays the result of engine or Bombardier production issues? The silence of real information from Bombardier is deafening.

Engine availability is the stumbling block right now. Among others, Swiss has delayed deliveries into 2018 to ensure all its future deliveries are equipped with upgraded GTF.

(Also, FWIW, BBD can't physically produce more than 3.5 units / month with current FAL - which is only half completed).

Other challenges must exist in the production ramp up, but PW engines production has been the critical path / bottle neck for the last few months.
 
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Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:03 am

Jetsouth wrote:
If the 3 for Braathens, the 1 for private, the 2 CS100's for SWISS (all in outside storage), and assuming the 3 or so already almost completed for Delta will go to Aero Mexico instead, and one complete/almost complete for each of AirBaltic, SWISS and Korean, that would mean at least 12 frames that could be delivered relatively quickly


Braathens delayed deliveries until 2019-20 at the earliest.
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Re: CSeries Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:04 am

Is there any option/plan/possibility for aux fuel tanks on the CSeries to extract greater range?
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