Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

UGA777 · Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:41 am

It seems like Delta is removing more wide bodies than adding in the last year or two? Hope that trend doesn't continue. I flew a 767-400 from Den-Atl yesterday and was such a nice flight compared to the cramped 739s I usually get.

UGA777 · Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:41 am

UGA777 wrote:
It seems like Delta is removing more widebodies than adding in the last year or two? Hope that trend doesn't continue. I flew a 767-400 from Den-Atl yesterday and was such a nice flight compared to the cramped 739s I usually get.

hkcanadaexpat · Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:29 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 3/11
763ER-high J: DUS-ATL flight cancelled - tech (N182DN)
763ER-high J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on JFK-ATL route (N169DZ)
763ER-high J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on ATL-JFK route (N177DZ)
332: MSP-CDG commercial flight - maintenance exit [16 days] (N851NW)
764: unscheduled upgrade from 739 on JFK-SEA-JFK route (N827MH)
764: AMA-ATL ferry flight - paint exit [12 days] (N829MH)
333: MSP-ANC-NRT-PVG ferry flight - maintenance entry (N813NW)
333: unscheduled upgrade from 332 on CDG-MSP route (N821NW)

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 3/12
763ER-high J: DUS-ATL ferry flight following previous day cancellation (N182DN)
764: unscheduled upgrade from 739 on JFK-SEA-JFK route (N845MH)
772: unscheduled swap from 333 on ATL-GRU-ATL route (N867DA)
333: unscheduled upgrade from 332 on SEA-CDG-DTW route (N817NW)

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 3/13
763ER-high J: LHR-BOS-LHR flight cancelled - weather (N175DN)
763ER-high J: CDG-BOS-CDG flight cancelled - weather (N185DN)
332: SEA-DTW ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N853NW)
764: unscheduled upgrade from 739 on JFK-SEA-JFK route (N843MH)
772: unscheduled swap from 333 on ATL-GRU-ATL route (N864DA)
333: AMS-BOS-AMS flight cancelled - weather (N819NW)
333: unscheduled swap from 772 on ATL-AMS-ATL route (N821NW)

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 3/14
763ER-high J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on ATL-TPA-ATL-FLL-ATL route (N1604R)
763ER-high J: unscheduled upgrade from 739 on ATL-SEA route - maintenance exit [24 days] (N1612T)
763ER-high J: unscheduled upgrade from 739 on SEA-ATL route - maintenance entry (N1613B)
763ER-low J: scheduled one off AMS-AUS-AMS flight - SXSW Conference (N187DN)
763ER-low J: AMS-PDX flight diverted to KEF - medical (N196DN)
764: unscheduled upgrade from 739 on JFK-SEA-JFK route (N839MH)
772: unscheduled swap from 77L on ATL-LAX-PVG-DTW route (N867DA)
77L: unscheduled swap from 772 on ATL-ICN-ATL route (N707DN)
333: unscheduled swap from 772 on ATL-AMS-ATL route (N815NW)
359: DTW-CMH-DAY-CMH-DWT training flight (N506DN)

audidudi · Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:30 pm

A350 N507DN has completed induction at ATL and is flying to DTW this evening.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N507DN

hkcanadaexpat · Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:11 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 3/15
763ER-high J: ATL-CDG route switches from 333 effective 3/15 (N177DN)
763ER-high J: JFK-ACC route switches from low-J effective 3/15 (N172DZ)
763ER-high J: unscheduled swap from low-J on JFK-MAD-JFK route (N177DZ)
763ER-high J: unscheduled swap from 737 on ATL-JFK route (N1604R)
763ER-low J: additional JFK-SLC flight (N155DL)
763ER-low J: SLC-AMA ferry flight - paint entry (N155DL)
764: ATL-JFK ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N832MH)
764: unscheduled upgrade from 738 on JFK-SEA-JFK route (N832MH)
764: ATL-DUS route switches from 763ER-high J effective 3/15 (N835MH)
764: unscheduled upgrade from 763ER-low J on JFK-LAX route (N839MH)
764: additional JFK-ATL flight (N840MH)
772: HND-NRT ferry flight - aircraft repositioning following repair work (N860DA)
772: unscheduled swap from 77L on NRT-ATL route (N860DA)
772: unscheduled swap from 333 on ATL-PHX-ATL route (N864DA)
772: unscheduled swap from 77L on PVG-DTW route (N867DA)
77L: NRT-SIN ferry flight - maintenance entry (N710DN)
333: unscheduled upgrade from 332 on DTW-CDG-DTW route (N819NW)
359: ATL-DTW ferry flight - induction exit (N507DN)

777Mech · Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:49 am

1701 has completed mods and is now a 76Z https://fr24.com/DAL28/10bc7a60

hkcanadaexpat · Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:58 am

777Mech wrote:
1701 has completed mods and is now a 76Z https://fr24.com/DAL28/10bc7a60

That was fast! Two weeks for the prototype... I presume the other ones will take 7-10 days so should be done in quick order prior to summer heavy schedule. Interesting that the seats were stripped in SBD and cargo'ed over. No heavy check obviously combined with the mods. 1 down. 13 to go. Thanks for keeping us in the loop!

hkcanadaexpat · Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:22 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 3/16
763: unscheduled upgrade from 753 on MSP-PHX-MSP-RSW-MSP route (N1402A)
763ER-high J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on ATL-JFK-ATL route (N174DN)
763ER-high J: CAN-NRT ferry flight - maintenance exit [21 days] (N179DN)
763ER-high J: unscheduled upgrade from 321 on JFK-MCO-JFK-MCO-JFK route (N183DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled swap from high-J on ATL-LHR route - maintenance exit [17 days] (N171DZ)
764: unscheduled upgrade from 763ER-low J on LAX-HNL-NRT route - maintenance swap (N839MH)
772: unscheduled swap from 77L on DTW-PVG-DTW route (N867DA)
333: unscheduled upgrade from 763 on MSP-MCO-MSP route (N802NW)
333: unscheduled upgrade from 332 on DTW-CDG-DTW route (N805NW)

777Mech · Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:16 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
777Mech wrote:
1701 has completed mods and is now a 76Z https://fr24.com/DAL28/10bc7a60

That was fast! Two weeks for the prototype... I presume the other ones will take 7-10 days so should be done in quick order prior to summer heavy schedule. Interesting that the seats were stripped in SBD and cargo'ed over. No heavy check obviously combined with the mods. 1 down. 13 to go. Thanks for keeping us in the loop!

Right on! At last check they were looking to have 7 frames done by the summer schedule and they'll take a break. Look for 1602 to be the next one in around the 24th!

davescj · Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:24 pm

777Mech wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
777Mech wrote:
1701 has completed mods and is now a 76Z https://fr24.com/DAL28/10bc7a60

Right on! At last check they were looking to have 7 frames done by the summer schedule and they'll take a break. Look for 1602 to be the next one in around the 24th!

What is the difference between the other 767 and the 76Z? I looked on the DL website, they seemed basically the same. Since the plan is to move to the suites that are on the A350, why not do those modifications at the same time?

audidudi · Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:09 pm

DL's 7th A350, N507DN, enters revenue service today:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N507DN

SELMER40 · Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:15 pm

The Ts have 208 seats and are used long range, the Ls have 211 seats and the Zs have 226 seats. The Ts and Ls have 9 rows of Delta One and the Zs have 7 rows of Delta One. 8 seats out and 23 seats in - an addition of 15 seats per frame..

audidudi · Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:21 pm

davescj wrote:
777Mech wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:

Right on! At last check they were looking to have 7 frames done by the summer schedule and they'll take a break. Look for 1602 to be the next one in around the 24th!

What is the difference between the other 767 and the 76Z? I looked on the DL website, they seemed basically the same. Since the plan is to move to the suites that are on the A350, why not do those modifications at the same time?

The plan to install the D1 suites on the B763ER fleet hasn't even been announced, and I doubt that it will ever happen! Even the B764s may not get them!

audidudi · Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:32 pm

SELMER40 wrote:
The Ts have 208 seats and are used long range, the Ls have 211 seats and the Zs have 226 seats. The Ts and Ls have 9 rows of Delta One and the Zs have 7 rows of Delta One. 8 seats out and 23 seats in - an addition of 15 seats per frame..

The Zs do indeed have 7 rows, but only 26 seats, as row 7 only utilizes 2 seats in the middle, 7B/7C. So if the mod uses the same config. as the current 76Zs have, then 10 D1 seats are removed, not 8. The seat map for tonight's flight for N171DZ reflects this.

hkcanadaexpat · Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:57 pm

audidudi wrote:
The plan to install the D1 suites on the B763ER fleet hasn't even been announced, and I doubt that it will ever happen! Even the B764s may not get them!

D1 Suites on the 764 has been confirmed. Mods will begin in Spring 2019.

deltal1011man · Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:02 am

davescj wrote:
777Mech wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:

Right on! At last check they were looking to have 7 frames done by the summer schedule and they'll take a break. Look for 1602 to be the next one in around the 24th!

What is the difference between the other 767 and the 76Z? I looked on the DL website, they seemed basically the same. Since the plan is to move to the suites that are on the A350, why not do those modifications at the same time?

L to Z mod will end up only taking 14-10 days more than likely and Delta is able to pull the seats needed for the mods from the 747s and 767s they are or have parked.

In other words L to Z is a hell of a lot faster and cheaper. Plus the bulk of the C seats in the 300ER fleet are not as old as the 764 seats (same seat but the 764 mods were done before the 763s) and the ROI hasn't been reached yet.

I'd be some of the 763s see the product the 764 gets as some of those birds will be around till 2028-2030 at least.

Goal right now is to get the 777 and 764 fleet done. I'd expect 330 and 763 mods to take place after that.

UGA777 wrote:
It seems like Delta is removing more wide bodies than adding in the last year or two? Hope that trend doesn't continue. I flew a 767-400 from Den-Atl yesterday and was such a nice flight compared to the cramped 739s I usually get.

thats been a trend basically since the merger.

I think next year the goal is to grow the fleet by 2 aircraft but I'm not 100% sure on that.

hkcanadaexpat · Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:29 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 3/17
763: unscheduled upgrade from 753 on MSP-LAS-MSP route (N1402A)
763ER-high J: unscheduled swap from low-J on NRT-HNL-LAX route - maintenance swap (N179DN)
763ER-high J: unscheduled upgrade from 321 on JFK-MCO-JFK route (N183DN)
763ER-high J: ATL-SWF-GRK-ATL military charter (N186DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on LAX-HNL-LAX route (N181DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled swap from high-J on LHR-BOS-CDG route (N171DZ)
764: ILN-ATL ferry flight - maintenance exit [15 days] (N834MH)
764: ATL-ILN ferry flight - maintenance entry (N835MH)
764: NRT-CAN ferry flight - maintenance entry (N839MH)
333: ATL-JFK ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N831NW)
359: DTW-NRT commercial flight - first flight for airframe (N507DN)

MSPNWA · Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:30 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
D1 Suites on the 764 has been confirmed. Mods will begin in Spring 2019.

Where? Internally? Because publicly this has not even been mentioned let alone confirmed. All I've ever read about it has been unsubstantiated rumors.

wjcandee · Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:36 am

What is being done to the 767-400s at ILN? Looks like they turn around in about 2 weeks each.

777Mech · Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:14 am

MSPNWA wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
D1 Suites on the 764 has been confirmed. Mods will begin in Spring 2019.

Where? Internally? Because publicly this has not even been mentioned let alone confirmed. All I've ever read about it has been unsubstantiated rumors.

Confirmed internally. Really doesn't make sense to put out a presser to just say the 764 is getting the new D1. Most pax have no idea what they're on anyways.

777Mech · Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:15 am

wjcandee wrote:
What is being done to the 767-400s at ILN? Looks like they turn around in about 2 weeks each.

Just a check.

hkcanadaexpat · Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:23 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 3/18
763ER-high J: unscheduled swap from low-J on LAX-JFK route - maintenance swap (N179DN)
763ER-low J: scheduled AMS-AUS-AMS one off flight - SXSW Conference (N193DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled swap from high-J on CDG-SLC-CDG route (N171DZ)
772: unscheduled upgrade from MD88 on DTW-ATL route - aircraft repositioning (N867DA)
77L: unscheduled upgrade from MD88 on ATL-DTW route - aircraft repositioning (N706DN)
333: unscheduled upgrade from 753 on MSP-PHX-MSP route (N802NW)
333: unscheduled upgrade from 739 on JFK-ATL route (N826NW)

MSPNWA · Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:12 am

777Mech wrote:
Confirmed internally. Really doesn't make sense to put out a presser to just say the 764 is getting the new D1. Most pax have no idea what they're on anyways.

That would be very unlike DL, and it's clear that they don't agree with your line of thinking. They like to announce and promote any new product as soon as possible, and the new seats have been one of those products. Hence it's hard to believe that it's a done deal internally without even a mention of it externally.

777Mech · Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:54 am

Why good does it do to announce it 1.5 years earlier before the first frame is scheduled to be completed? I've seen the scope of work with my own eyes, You'll just have to settle for your external announcement in the fall.

NateGreat · Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:42 pm

What is the second 777 to enter mods for the new cabin?

deltal1011man · Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:35 pm

MSPNWA wrote:
777Mech wrote:
Confirmed internally. Really doesn't make sense to put out a presser to just say the 764 is getting the new D1. Most pax have no idea what they're on anyways.

That would be very unlike DL, and it's clear that they don't agree with your line of thinking. They like to announce and promote any new product as soon as possible, and the new seats have been one of those products. Hence it's hard to believe that it's a done deal internally without even a mention of it externally.

Actually again you are proving you don't know what you are talking about.

The lead times for things like seats isn't a few months like you clearly think it is. Projects of this scope takes 12-24 months (at best) to build. Got to order all the equipment and give vendors the lead time to actually manufacture the equipment, do all the engineering, get FAA/FDA/FCC green lights, get all the planning done, select vendors, etc. etc.

Delta hasn't announced the 764 mods because we are still too far away from the first one flying. The focus right now (for marketing) is the A350 and to a lessor extent the 777 fleet. Delta isn't, and hasn't, publicly announced aircraft mods that are a year away from being done.

777Mech wrote:
Why good does it do to announce it 1.5 years earlier before the first frame is scheduled to be completed? I've seen the scope of work with my own eyes, You'll just have to settle for your external announcement in the fall.

Exactly this.
MSPNWA doesn't know what he/she is talking about. fairly common when it comes to this kind of stuff.

It is laughable to think a major product refresh for 21 wide bodies isn't going to take years to plan. Its not like Thompson just has seats sitting on the self ready for Delta to buy or HAECO has empty hangar space just waiting for the chance to bid on the work..... All takes years to get and plan.

beertrucker · Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:58 pm

So my family and I are flying out on the 22nd from here at CMH-DTW-NRT-MNL all Delta then MNL-GES. I have not looked yet but I have not seen anything news worthy about delays on the DTW-MNL flights with the A359. Since we will only have i think an 1hour and 15 min layover in Narita. The other thing is not so muuch about being on time as it is about DL181. I know when I booked tickets i got Comfort plus on the 763. Now the one i booked on delta shows the lavs in the front of C+. However seatguru shhows a diffrent configured 767 for that flight. Is this just a mix up in seatguru or should i exect to have to have our seats moved cause of a diffrent configured 763? I not sure where to look this kind of info up. Thanks. and yes sorry it is kinda related to my post about this before.

hkcanadaexpat · Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:00 pm

beertrucker wrote:
The other thing is not so muuch about being on time as it is about DL181. I know when I booked tickets i got Comfort plus on the 763. Now the one i booked on delta shows the lavs in the front of C+. However seatguru shhows a diffrent configured 767 for that flight. Is this just a mix up in seatguru or should i exect to have to have our seats moved cause of a diffrent configured 763? I not sure where to look this kind of info up. Thanks. and yes sorry it is kinda related to my post about this before.

NRT-MNL is being flown by the 76Z (low-J, 226 seats) so unless there is a last minute swap, that's what you'll be on.
Safe travels!

MSPNWA · Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:12 am

777Mech wrote:
Why good does it do to announce it 1.5 years earlier before the first frame is scheduled to be completed? I've seen the scope of work with my own eyes, You'll just have to settle for your external announcement in the fall.

In what time warp is next spring 1.5 years away? The correct question is why wouldn't they announce it. It makes no sense to not tell the public about a new and improved product coming in the future, particularly if it's actually a done deal with a tentative schedule. Airlines, particularly DL, do this. That's why it's worth questing. It would be a change of character if something this concrete wasn't announced.

Here's a reminder of when DL first told us about the 777 getting the new seats. And that isn't the most egregious example over the years.

https://news.delta.com/worlds-first-all ... -delta-one

deltal1011man wrote:
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I'll refer you to the link above for just one example of how you clearly don't know enough about DL to be making those statements about others.

audidudi · Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:04 am

"Following the A350 debut, the Delta One suite will progressively roll out on Delta’s Boeing 777 fleet." This press release came out exactly 18 months before the first B772 went to SIN for the Suite mods etc.
(This quote comes from the link below:)

https://news.delta.com/worlds-first-all ... -delta-one

So based on the one line sentence referencing the Suites going to be installed in the B777s, then a similar one-line sentence referencing the Suites going to be installed into the B764s would suffice for you? Come on DL, do it, so we can put this to bed now!

hkcanadaexpat · Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:02 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 3/19
763ER-low J: unscheduled swap from high-J on CDG-CVG-CDG route (N171DZ)
332: unscheduled upgrade from MD88 on DTW-ATL route - aircraft repositioning (N851NW)
332: unscheduled upgrade from MD88 on ATL-DTW route - aircraft repositioning (N854NW)
772: unscheduled swap from 333 on ATL-GRU-ATL route (N865DA)

davescj · Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:19 am

I wonder how much of the 'announcements' on DL1 suites is related to frames in service/scheduled for upgrade. I remember when DL was rolling out the flat bed they had a % showing how many had to be modified, % completed, etc. Similar to what UA is doing now for the Polaris conversion. Since the A 350 came with the suite, they could chose in advance what routes to put them on (NRT-DTW-AMS obviously). Perhaps they want enough modifications to say all flights using 777s (or whatever) to XYZ will have the suite (but that would take a number modifications completed I would think). And let's face it - 18 months out while short in planning is longer in marketing. Why advertise something that cannot be purchased yet?

davescj · Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:20 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 3/19
332: unscheduled upgrade from MD88 on DTW-ATL route - aircraft repositioning (N851NW)
332: unscheduled upgrade from MD88 on ATL-DTW route - aircraft repositioning (N854NW)

What would be the purpose of this? It would seem as if you were moving identical aircraft around.

hkcanadaexpat · Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:58 am

davescj wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 3/19
332: unscheduled upgrade from MD88 on DTW-ATL route - aircraft repositioning (N851NW)
332: unscheduled upgrade from MD88 on ATL-DTW route - aircraft repositioning (N854NW)

What would be the purpose of this? It would seem as if you were moving identical aircraft around.

In this case it looks like a maintenance swap with N851NW coming in for some work and N854NW taking its place.

777Mech · Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:38 am

MSPNWA wrote:
777Mech wrote:
Why good does it do to announce it 1.5 years earlier before the first frame is scheduled to be completed? I've seen the scope of work with my own eyes, You'll just have to settle for your external announcement in the fall.

In what time warp is next spring 1.5 years away? The correct question is why wouldn't they announce it. It makes no sense to not tell the public about a new and improved product coming in the future, particularly if it's actually a done deal with a tentative schedule. Airlines, particularly DL, do this. That's why it's worth questing. It would be a change of character if something this concrete wasn't announced.

Here's a reminder of when DL first told us about the 777 getting the new seats. And that isn't the most egregious example over the years.

https://news.delta.com/worlds-first-all ... -delta-one

deltal1011man wrote:
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I'll refer you to the link above for just one example of how you clearly don't know enough about DL to be making those statements about others.

The prototype isn't going to induct until the Mayish 2019 timeframe, and it'll likely take 3-4 months to complete it. Hence, 1.5 years.

It will not be like the 350 and 777, as they are wanting to put the W-IFE as part of the mod, however there are some issues. Once there is a concrete date from the seat testing on the CS, then You'll get your announcement, and I'll be sure to come back here and racist this trainwreck.

FSDan · Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:21 pm

777Mech wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
777Mech wrote:
1701 has completed mods and is now a 76Z https://fr24.com/DAL28/10bc7a60

That was fast! Two weeks for the prototype... I presume the other ones will take 7-10 days so should be done in quick order prior to summer heavy schedule. Interesting that the seats were stripped in SBD and cargo'ed over. No heavy check obviously combined with the mods. 1 down. 13 to go. Thanks for keeping us in the loop!

Right on! At last check they were looking to have 7 frames done by the summer schedule and they'll take a break. Look for 1602 to be the next one in around the 24th!

It looks to me like at least 31 76Z frames are needed to operate the currently loaded June schedule (and that would be with 0 spares). I suppose they'll either switch a few routes back to the 76L configuration, or they're planning on converting a few more than 7 before summer. Currently loaded routes for these two types (looking at the week of June 18):

76L (at least 15 frames needed):
PDX-LHR (4x weekly)
LAX-JFK x1 (RON at LAX)
SLC-LHR
MSP-LHR
DTW-LHR (3x weekly)
DTW-CDG
DTW-FRA
DTW-MUC
CVG-CDG
ATL-FRA
RDU-CDG
EWR-CDG
JFK-GRU
JFK-FRA
BOS-LHR

76Z (at least 31 frames needed):
NRT-MNL (RON at MNL)
NRT-PDX
HNL-NRT
HNL-NGO
HNL-KIX
HNL-FUK
HNL-SLC
HNL-MSP
SEA-AMS x1
SFO-JFK x1 (RON at SFO)
LAX-JFK x1 (RON at LAX)
LAX-HNL x1 (RON at LAX)
SLC-CDG
SLC-AMS
IND-CDG
MCO-GRU
MCO-AMS
ATL-SCL
ATL-LIS
ATL-BRU
ATL-ZRH
PIT-CDG
JFK-ACC (5x weekly)
JFK-BRU
JFK-AMS x1
JFK-CPH
JFK-TXL
BOS-CDG
BOS-AMS x1

FSDan · Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:41 pm

FSDan wrote:
777Mech wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
That was fast! Two weeks for the prototype... I presume the other ones will take 7-10 days so should be done in quick order prior to summer heavy schedule. Interesting that the seats were stripped in SBD and cargo'ed over. No heavy check obviously combined with the mods. 1 down. 13 to go. Thanks for keeping us in the loop!

Right on! At last check they were looking to have 7 frames done by the summer schedule and they'll take a break. Look for 1602 to be the next one in around the 24th!

It looks to me like at least 31 76Z frames are needed to operate the currently loaded June schedule (and that would be with 0 spares). I suppose they'll either switch a few routes back to the 76L configuration, or they're planning on converting a few more than 7 before summer. Currently loaded routes for these two types (looking at the week of June 18):

76L (at least 15 frames needed):
PDX-LHR (4x weekly)
LAX-JFK x1 (RON at LAX)
SLC-LHR
MSP-LHR
DTW-LHR (3x weekly)
DTW-CDG
DTW-FRA
DTW-MUC
CVG-CDG
ATL-FRA
RDU-CDG
EWR-CDG
JFK-GRU
JFK-FRA
BOS-LHR

76Z (at least 31 frames needed):
NRT-MNL (RON at MNL)
NRT-PDX
HNL-NRT
HNL-NGO
HNL-KIX
HNL-FUK
HNL-SLC
HNL-MSP
SEA-AMS x1
SFO-JFK x1 (RON at SFO)
LAX-JFK x1 (RON at LAX)
LAX-HNL x1 (RON at LAX)
SLC-CDG
SLC-AMS
IND-CDG
MCO-GRU
MCO-AMS
ATL-SCL
ATL-LIS
ATL-BRU
ATL-ZRH
PIT-CDG
JFK-ACC (5x weekly)
JFK-BRU
JFK-AMS x1
JFK-CPH
JFK-TXL
BOS-CDG
BOS-AMS x1

Make that 32 76Zs... I forgot that NRT-PVG is still a 76Z through June (RON at PVG).

audidudi · Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:08 pm

What about SEA>ICN, which is not listed? Will that still operate with a 76L?

FSDan · Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:35 pm

audidudi wrote:
What about SEA>ICN, which is not listed? Will that still operate with a 76L?

SEA-NRT-SIN, SEA-ICN, SEA-PEK, and SEA-PVG will all operate on the 208-seat variant (I forget the code off the top of my head). 7 out of 7 frames required.

448205 · Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:19 pm

Can the A350 fly ATL-JNB?

DeSpringbokke · Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:33 pm

Varsity1 wrote:
Can the A350 fly ATL-JNB?

The 280 tonne A350-900 can fly ATL-JNB and more importantly JNB-ATL nonstop. This is the aircraft most likely to replace the 77L on the route.

FSDan · Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:41 pm

DeSpringbokke wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
Can the A350 fly ATL-JNB?

The 280 tonne A350-900 can fly ATL-JNB and more importantly JNB-ATL nonstop. This is the aircraft most likely to replace the 77L on the route.

But DL does need to fly the 77Ls somewhere, and there probably aren't too many better candidates than ATL-JNB.

audidudi · Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:46 pm

FSDan wrote:
DeSpringbokke wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
Can the A350 fly ATL-JNB?

The 280 tonne A350-900 can fly ATL-JNB and more importantly JNB-ATL nonstop. This is the aircraft most likely to replace the 77L on the route.

But DL does need to fly the 77Ls somewhere, and there probably aren't too many better candidates than ATL-JNB.

Particularly after the 77Ls have the D1 Suites installed! And LAX>SYD would also be perfect for them!

448205 · Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:46 pm

DeSpringbokke wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
Can the A350 fly ATL-JNB?

The 280 tonne A350-900 can fly ATL-JNB and more importantly JNB-ATL nonstop. This is the aircraft most likely to replace the 77L on the route.

Does Delta have to 280T variant though?

DeSpringbokke · Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:58 pm

Varsity1 wrote:
DeSpringbokke wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
Can the A350 fly ATL-JNB?

The 280 tonne A350-900 can fly ATL-JNB and more importantly JNB-ATL nonstop. This is the aircraft most likely to replace the 77L on the route.

Does Delta have to 280T variant though?

The first fifteen A350-900s are the 275 tonne variant. They "deferred" the final ten A350-900s until after 2020, which is when the 280 tonne variant will become the standard A350-900 variant. I strongly suspect Delta will do one of five things with the final ten in no particular order: cancel them and use the deposits for the A321neos; convert the final ten into ten more A330-900neos; convert the final ten into ten A350-1000s for higher capacity routes and ULH routes such LAX-SYD and ATL-JNB; defer them further and use the final ten as 77L replacements; take them as scheduled as 280 tonne variants.

hkcanadaexpat · Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:08 pm

FSDan wrote:
I suppose they'll either switch a few routes back to the 76L configuration, or they're planning on converting a few more than 7 before summer. Currently loaded routes for these two types (looking at the week of June 18):

I think the answer sits somewhere in the middle. The prototype just finished and is now stretching its legs. DL probably didn't know for sure how long each would take until now so did a lot of "plugs" in the schedule between 76L and 76Z. I think we'll see the schedule now tighten up as they figure out how many they want/can complete pre-summer. In terms of routes, i'd look at SEA-AMS, SLC-CDG, ATL-SCL, ATL-BRU, JFK-ACC, JFK-BRU & BOS-CDG. There are all routes that are "migrating" from 76L to 76Z. Timing of those migrations likely to be adjusted to reflect conversion schedule.
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DeSpringbokke · Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:09 am

On a side note, I noticed Delta's annual report released last month showed they will take only two A350-900s next year and two more in 2020. I remain sceptical Delta will take more A350-900s unless they are replacing the 77L fleet, which is very unlikely, as Airbus officially confirmed they are raising the MTOW on the A330-900neo from 242 tonnes to 251 tonnes, allowing the A330-900neos to fly on routes as long as ATL-NRT. Instead of taking four A330-900neos next year, Delta will take none. This is likely due to Delta becoming the launch customer of the 251 tonne A330-900neo, making the A350-900 redundant on many of its current and future routes such as LAX-PVG. So I'm expecting maybe one, possibly two new Trans-Pac routes next year, most likely some shuffling with KE as I'd be shocked if the ROK Government denies the DL-KE JV.

777Mech · Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:58 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
FSDan wrote:
I suppose they'll either switch a few routes back to the 76L configuration, or they're planning on converting a few more than 7 before summer. Currently loaded routes for these two types (looking at the week of June 18):

I think the answer sits somewhere in the middle. The prototype just finished and is now stretching its legs. DL probably didn't know for sure how long each would take until now so did a lot of "plugs" in the schedule between 76L and 76Z. I think we'll see the schedule now tighten up as they figure out how many they want/can complete pre-summer. In terms of routes, i'd look at SEA-AMS, SLC-CDG, ATL-SCL, ATL-BRU, JFK-ACC, JFK-BRU & BOS-CDG. There are all routes that are "migrating" from 76L to 76Z. Timing of those migrations likely to be adjusted to reflect conversion schedule.
A

At last count I had 13 frames to be completed by June 1st.

FA9295 · Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:27 am

Does anyone here know why DL is flying this 763 on LAX-HNL route: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL9941

hkcanadaexpat · Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:03 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 3/20
763ER-high J: ACC-JFK flight cancelled - tech (N176DN)
763ER-high J: JFK-DTW ferry flight - passenger rescue (N182DN)
763ER-high J: JFK-LHR flight cancelled - weather (N184DN)
763ER-high J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on ATL-SFO-ATL route (N1603)
763ER-low J: unscheduled swap from high-J on SLC-CDG-ATL route (N191DN)
763ER-low J: HNL-NGO flight cancelled - tech (N192DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled swap from high-J on CDG-BOS-LHR route (N171DZ)
772: unscheduled swap from 77L on ATL-NRT-ATL route (N867DA)
333: MSP-JAN-BIF-DFW military charter (N802NW)
333: SLC-ATL flight cancelled - tech (N803NW)
333: ATL-SLC ferry flight - passenger rescue (N820NW)

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