juliuswong wrote:

With last two months of 2018 to go, B has three times as many net orders as A, can we give the winner trophy to Boeing already?

Some would say that Airbus has 3 months left...

scbriml wrote:

Asiaflyer wrote:

According to Reuters, Vietjet signed an agreement today for 50 A321neo during the french Prime Ministers visit in Hanoi.
This is supposed to be a firm order after the MoU signed at Farnborough last summer, but we better wait for Airbus confirmation of that.

"HANOI, Nov 2 (Reuters) - VietJet Aviation VJC.HM signed a $6.5 billion agreement on Friday to buy 50 Airbus AIR.PA A321neo jets, the Vietnamese budget carrier said.
The agreement, signed during a visit to Hanoi by French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe, is part of aggressive investment in the Vietnamese airline's fleet, which has provided lucrative business for both European aerospace group Airbus and its U.S. rival Boeing"

Confirmed by Airbus:

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... craft.html

Vietnamese carrier Vietjet has placed a firm order with Airbus for an additional 50 A321neo single aisle aircraft, finalising an MOU signed at the Farnborough International Airshow last July.

Great to see, but there are more MOUs from the Farnborough show, like the A220 deals. Still a lot to firm up.

Airbus is going to lose the widebody race catastrophically this year, but there's still plenty of time to catch up on narrowbodies. I wouldn't be shocked if Airbus wins the narrowbody race; after Vietjet, they only need 200 more orders.

seabosdca wrote:

Airbus is going to lose the widebody race catastrophically this year, but there's still plenty of time to catch up on narrowbodies. I wouldn't be shocked if Airbus wins the narrowbody race; after Vietjet, they only need 200 more orders.

They need 200 more plus however many Boeing gets in that time.

juliuswong wrote:

george77300 wrote:

SEPTEMBER UPDATE SUMMARY (Airbus & Boeing)

Boeing Summary: 1st January - 30th September 2018

803 Gross Orders
631 Net Orders (448 x B737, 14 x B747, 38 x B767, 27 x B777, 104 x B787) - (September +50 Net)

Airbus Summary: 1st January - 30th September 2018

311 Gross Orders
256 Net Orders (198 x A320, 8 x A330, 36 x A350, 14 x A380) - (September +37 Net)

With last two months of 2018 to go, B has three times as many net orders as A, can we give the winner trophy to Boeing already?

So you don’t think Airbus can rack up 600 orders in two months? Where is your faith?

[/quote]
So you don’t think Airbus can rack up 600 orders in two months? Where is your faith?[/quote]

I have learned to never underestimate Airbus' December month when it comes to orders, or deliveries for that sake.

Erebus wrote:

juliuswong wrote:

With last two months of 2018 to go, B has three times as many net orders as A, can we give the winner trophy to Boeing already?

Some would say that Airbus has 3 months left...

Some would say 6. /DARFC

juliuswong wrote:

george77300 wrote:

SEPTEMBER UPDATE SUMMARY (Airbus & Boeing)

Boeing Summary: 1st January - 30th September 2018

803 Gross Orders
631 Net Orders (448 x B737, 14 x B747, 38 x B767, 27 x B777, 104 x B787) - (September +50 Net)

Airbus Summary: 1st January - 30th September 2018

311 Gross Orders
256 Net Orders (198 x A320, 8 x A330, 36 x A350, 14 x A380) - (September +37 Net)

With last two months of 2018 to go, B has three times as many net orders as A, can we give the winner trophy to Boeing already?

NO. Lets see what happens in November and December. My memory says that Airbus in the past has announced some significant orders towards the end of year.

I prefer to see what actually happens...

Have a great day,

SEPilot wrote:

So you don’t think Airbus can rack up 600 orders in two months? Where is your faith?

The "rainmaker" is gone.

7BOEING7 wrote:

SEPilot wrote:

So you don’t think Airbus can rack up 600 orders in two months? Where is your faith?

The "rainmaker" is gone.

Yes the one that magically sells 450 planes in an order placed at 11:59 on New Years Eve. Every year he seemed to have a 'hail Mary" that was the winning score.

JayinKitsap wrote:

7BOEING7 wrote:

SEPilot wrote:

So you don’t think Airbus can rack up 600 orders in two months? Where is your faith?

The "rainmaker" is gone.

Yes the one that magically sells 450 planes in an order placed at 11:59 on New Years Eve. Every year he seemed to have a 'hail Mary" that was the winning score.

So it was all due to JL? He didn’t teach his magic to any others?

JayinKitsap wrote:

7BOEING7 wrote:

SEPilot wrote:

So you don’t think Airbus can rack up 600 orders in two months? Where is your faith?

The "rainmaker" is gone.

Yes the one that magically sells 450 planes in an order placed at 11:59 on New Years Eve. Every year he seemed to have a 'hail Mary" that was the winning score.

As usual Boeing's sales of wide body models was higher than Airbus, so in terms of order value Boeing won the sales crown for 2017.

Airbus’ October 2018 firm orders:

50 A321neo Viejet
17 A320neo Lufthansa
10 A330-900 Undisclosed
8 A330-800 Kuwait

Total: 85

18x A330neo should stop the panicking for a little while.

There is a big Indigo conversion from A320NEO to A321NEO of 125 frames, making 150 in total now.

Also AerCap the same for 8 units.

The Kuwait Airways A330neo order also isn't a conversion from their A350 order, which was wrongly reported in some articles.

There was just 1 cancellation of a A320ceo by Israir Airlines

qf789 wrote:

Airbus books 85 aircraft orders for October

50 x A321neo Vietjet
17 x A320neo Lufthansa
10 x A330-900 undisclosed
8 x A330-800 Kuwait Airways

https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/market/ ... eries.html

That's pretty well done, especially because it seems a more "modest" year with regard to sale.

I think the A321 conversion bt Indigo is only the tip of the iceberg. I expect a good majority of NEO deliveries to be the A321.

LewisNEO wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Airbus books 85 aircraft orders for October

50 x A321neo Vietjet
17 x A320neo Lufthansa
10 x A330-900 undisclosed
8 x A330-800 Kuwait Airways

https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/market/ ... eries.html

That's pretty well done, especially because it seems a more "modest" year with regard to sale.

That is a great month!

Lightsaber

Please don’t turn this into another A vs. B thread!

lightsaber wrote:

I think the A321 conversion bt Indigo is only the tip of the iceberg. I expect a good majority of NEO deliveries to be the A321.

LewisNEO wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Airbus books 85 aircraft orders for October

50 x A321neo Vietjet
17 x A320neo Lufthansa
10 x A330-900 undisclosed
8 x A330-800 Kuwait Airways

https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/market/ ... eries.html

That's pretty well done, especially because it seems a more "modest" year with regard to sale.

That is a great month!

Lightsaber

Yeah the A321Neo seems to hit the sweet spot. I must say, I find it the airplane with the most fascinating appearance of the A320 range.

Boeing October update

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/#/orders-deliveries

Aviation Capital Group 3x 737 MAX
Boeing Capital Corporation1x 787-9
Business Jet / VIP Customer(s) 1x 737 MAX
Turkmenistan Airlines Turkmenistan 3x 737 MAX
Unidentified Customer(s) 1x 737 MAX
Unidentified Customer(s) 2x 737 MAX
Unidentified Customer(s) 1x 777-200LR
Vistara 6x 787-9

Yes you read it correctly, that's an order for 1 777-200LR


GECAS cancelled 1 787-9, probably taken over by Boeing Capital.

Wow, a 772LR order, who would have thought. Who would order this new? Surely not a VIP aircraft? They are better off with a second hand A340-500

It's not a BBJ, but who knows, not all VIP aircraft are booked as BBJ.


in conversion news:
Singapore Airlines has converted 2 787-10 to 2 787-8 for Scoot.

Momo1435 wrote:

Boeing October update

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/#/orders-deliveries

Aviation Capital Group 3x 737 MAX
Boeing Capital Corporation1x 787-9
Business Jet / VIP Customer(s) 1x 737 MAX
Turkmenistan Airlines Turkmenistan 3x 737 MAX
Unidentified Customer(s) 1x 737 MAX
Unidentified Customer(s) 2x 737 MAX
Unidentified Customer(s) 1x 777-200LR
Vistara 6x 787-9

Yes you read it correctly, that's an order for 1 777-200LR

GECAS cancelled 1 787-9, probably taken over by Boeing Capital.

The 777-200LR is very interesting. Probably for a private/government jet, but with Etihad's parked there is already availability. Of the current operators, I could only see DL and ET.

That 77L has gotta be for a government somewhere. If DL or ET wanted a singleton in that class they would order an A350-900. If AC wanted one, they'd order a 787-9.

seabosdca wrote:

That 77L has gotta be for a government somewhere. If DL or ET wanted a singleton in that class they would order an A350-900. If AC wanted one, they'd order a 787-9.

Neither DL or ET is getting a single A350 next year or within a short period of time - you can with a 77L.

G'day

Delta order for an additional 10 A330-900 confirmed

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... -900s.html

Cheers

Peter

Heavierthanair wrote:

G'day

Delta order for an additional 10 A330-900 confirmed

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... -900s.html

Cheers

Peter

At the same time, delivery of the last 10 A350-900 on order is pushed back to 2025-2026.

I think airbus is quite happy for such a conversion.Frees up A350 slots enabling them to offer more nearish term slots for new A350 campaign while they get more needed work for the A330 line.

Heavierthanair wrote:

G'day

Delta order for an additional 10 A330-900 confirmed

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... -900s.html

Cheers

Peter

It should be noted this is likely the UFO A339 order Airbus booked last month.

SteinarN wrote:

I think airbus is quite happy for such a conversion.Frees up A350 slots enabling them to offer more nearish term slots for new A350 campaign while they get more needed work for the A330 line.

Not a conversion. A350s differed to 2025-2026. The best of all world's for Airbus and RR.

Polot wrote:

Heavierthanair wrote:

G'day

Delta order for an additional 10 A330-900 confirmed

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... -900s.html

Cheers

Peter

It should be noted this is likely the UFO A339 order Airbus booked last month.

Does not have to be, we could look at the next order.

Someone83 wrote:

At the same time, delivery of the last 10 A350-900 on order is pushed back to 2025-2026.

Which would seem to support the idea that the last batch of A350's will likely be replacements for 777's. Those planes are getting refurbished now and 2025-2026 would be a good time to start replacing them.

Boeing, Jeju Air Announce Order for up to 50 737 MAX Airplanes

40 737 MAX 8 airplanes with options for 10 additional jets

https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-11-19 ... -Airplanes

Momo1435 wrote:

Boeing, Jeju Air Announce Order for up to 50 737 MAX Airplanes

40 737 MAX 8 airplanes with options for 10 additional jets

https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-11-19 ... -Airplanes

Congrats to Boeing and Jeju Air. I am not sure if the A320neo was in the running but considering Jeju is an all 737-800 operator, not surprised to see them select the 737MAX.

kengo wrote:

Momo1435 wrote:

Boeing, Jeju Air Announce Order for up to 50 737 MAX Airplanes

40 737 MAX 8 airplanes with options for 10 additional jets

https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-11-19 ... -Airplanes

Congrats to Boeing and Jeju Air. I am not sure if the A320neo was in the running but considering Jeju is an all 737-800 operator, not surprised to see them select the 737MAX.

Yes, A320neo was in the run. However, most of South Korean LCC, even KE* as premium airline, run a big fleet of B737. Therefore not a surprise Boeing got this one. When time comes for Easter Jet, T'way, Jin Air to renew their fleet, Boeing will get them too. Only difference is Asiana and it's two subsidiaries Air Seoul and Air Busan which operates Airbus A320/A321 narrowbody exclusively.

*Side note, KE also has 30 A321neo. It was a surprise when the order was announced few years ago.

easyJet adds 17 more A320neos

http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-re ... 20neo.html

LifelinerOne wrote:

Caribbean Airlines has ordered 12 B737MAX8s:

https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-11-21 ... of-737-MAX

Cheers!

IIRC they selected 12 737MAXs. Doesn’t indicate if it’s orders or leases.

chiad wrote:

So you don’t think Airbus can rack up 600 orders in two months? Where is your faith?[/quote]

I have learned to never underestimate Airbus' December month when it comes to orders, or deliveries for that sake.[/quote]

I agree.

LewisNEO wrote:

chiad wrote:

I have learned to never underestimate Airbus' December month when it comes to orders, or deliveries for that sake.

I agree.

Well the old heavyweight isn't there anymore. And I mean that figuratively. JL had a lot of internal powers that allowed him to close deals, I'm not sure bout the new guy(s) in sales town.
Further to that, at upper management level Airbus does seems to have some issues at the moment. That is not an ideal environment for closing year-end tough deals.
And lastly, the export-finance support situation also has not been fully resolved yet.

Not saying it can't be done, but I'm not holding my breath . . . .

Turkish Airlines orders (3) 777 freighters for delivery over the next two years.

Avolon has firmed up 75 A320neo and 25 A321neo

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2018/12/avolon-firms-up-order-for-100-a320neo-family-aircraft.html

If I'm not mistaken, there is an MoU of 180 NBs to China waiting to be firmed up.

Flying-Tiger wrote:

Avolon has firmed up 75 A320neo and 25 A321neo

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2018/12/avolon-firms-up-order-for-100-a320neo-family-aircraft.html

Link is not working any more and no PR on the Airbus website.

The press release seems to have been removed by Airbus, but they haven't deleted the tweet with the now dead link.

The difference between Airbus and Boeing was 302 in thet totals up to the end of October. If Boeing dries up and Airbus has some more of these orders like the one from Avolon to firm up it can still be bridged.

Airbus will most likely update their monthly totals in a couple of hours, they usually do this late on the Friday. We might see the Avolon order there, otherwise it will show on the year end totals in mid January.


edit:

It's on Avolon's website, click the .pdf in the link for the full press release.

AVOLON ORDERS 100 AIRBUS A320NEO FAMILY AIRCRAFT VALUED AT US$11.5 BILLION

https://avolon.aero/newsroom/avolon-ord ... y-aircraft

Now back online:

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... craft.html