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LoganTheBogan wrote:Just out of curiosity, how many total orders did Boeing and Airbus receive in 2017?
KarelXWB wrote:Southwest has exercised 40 737 Max 8 options, citing the GOP's corporate tax cut for the move.
https://www.swamedia.com/releases/relea ... eing-fleet
Carrier also deferred 23 Max 7s to 2023-24 from 2019-21.
LoganTheBogan wrote:Just out of curiosity, how many total orders did Boeing and Airbus receive in 2017?
Godzilla7 wrote:Any order before the totals are announced is most likely still a 2017 order.KarelXWB wrote:Southwest has exercised 40 737 Max 8 options, citing the GOP's corporate tax cut for the move.
https://www.swamedia.com/releases/relea ... eing-fleet
Carrier also deferred 23 Max 7s to 2023-24 from 2019-21.
For me it is unclear if this is a 2017 or a 2018 order.
A330freak wrote:And they plan to order more in JanuaryThe Group shall purchase 15 additional Airbus A320neo aircraft in January 2018 subject to the fulfillment of certain conditions.
Airbus is in talks to sell 100 or more jetliners to China during a visit by French President Emmanuel Macron to Beijing next week, people familiar with the negotiations said.
Macron plans to visit on January 8-10, accompanied by 50 company executives including planemaking officials from Airbus.
KarelXWB wrote:More Chinese orders inbound:
scbriml wrote:KarelXWB wrote:More Chinese orders inbound:
This might be the firming of the commitment announced last year?
Chief Executive Tom Enders signed a non-binding agreement with Turkish Airlines on a potential order for 25 A350-900 aircraft, during an official visit by Turkish president Tayyip Erdogan in Paris on Friday.
SQ22 wrote:According to Reuters it is no order yet.Chief Executive Tom Enders signed a non-binding agreement with Turkish Airlines on a potential order for 25 A350-900 aircraft, during an official visit by Turkish president Tayyip Erdogan in Paris on Friday.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-franc ... KKBN1EU1P6
jbs2886 wrote:SQ22 wrote:According to Reuters it is no order yet.Chief Executive Tom Enders signed a non-binding agreement with Turkish Airlines on a potential order for 25 A350-900 aircraft, during an official visit by Turkish president Tayyip Erdogan in Paris on Friday.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-franc ... KKBN1EU1P6
Heck, the 787 hasn't been firmed up yet either. I'm curious of orders vs. options in this. IIRC the 787 was 10 orders and 30 options?
scbriml wrote:KarelXWB wrote:More Chinese orders inbound:
This might be the firming of the commitment announced last year?
KarelXWB wrote:scbriml wrote:KarelXWB wrote:More Chinese orders inbound:
This might be the firming of the commitment announced last year?
If the "people familiar with the matter" are correct, the deal is about A320s, A330s and A350s.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... cron-visit
Eyad89 wrote:KarelXWB wrote:scbriml wrote:
This might be the firming of the commitment announced last year?
If the "people familiar with the matter" are correct, the deal is about A320s, A330s and A350s.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... cron-visit
If I remember correctly, the agreement that was signed last year had only A320s and A350s, I don't recall any A330s in the mix. I do hope they sign a few A330neos though.
KarelXWB wrote:Emirates commits to 20 additional A380s, plus 16 options.
https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/e ... 6-billion#
KarelXWB wrote:Emirates commits to 20 additional A380s, plus 16 options.
https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/e ... 6-billion#
KarelXWB wrote:Emirates commits to 20 additional A380s, plus 16 options.
https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/e ... 6-billion#
N14AZ wrote:But, as Scrimbl mentioned in the other thread, it's not yet a firm order. That being said I have no doubt that there will be a firm order for the 20 airframes, just saying...
There used to be a member how always reminded us/me that these threads are for firm orders only (I think it was Kanban...)...
mjoelnir wrote:N14AZ wrote:But, as Scrimbl mentioned in the other thread, it's not yet a firm order. That being said I have no doubt that there will be a firm order for the 20 airframes, just saying...
There used to be a member how always reminded us/me that these threads are for firm orders only (I think it was Kanban...)...
Emirates declare 20 firm and 16 options. https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/e ... 16-billion
Dubai-based Emirates Airline has signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) to acquire up to 36 additional A380 aircraft.
fcogafa wrote:Emirates release says it is an 'MOU for 20 firm orders and 16 options', whatever that means. The doublespeak gets worse!
speedbored wrote:fcogafa wrote:Emirates release says it is an 'MOU for 20 firm orders and 16 options', whatever that means. The doublespeak gets worse!
It means that EK have agreed to order 20 now and will possibly add another 16 at an already agreed price later, but they still have to agree some final details before a firm contract can be signed.
I really don't understand why some of us feel the need to dismiss MoUs, LOIs or commitments as "not an order". According to the data I have available, far fewer MoUs etc. fail to be turned into firm contracts than firm contracts get cancelled. The percentage is so small as to be negligible.
frigatebird wrote:speedbored wrote:fcogafa wrote:Emirates release says it is an 'MOU for 20 firm orders and 16 options', whatever that means. The doublespeak gets worse!
It means that EK have agreed to order 20 now and will possibly add another 16 at an already agreed price later, but they still have to agree some final details before a firm contract can be signed.
I really don't understand why some of us feel the need to dismiss MoUs, LOIs or commitments as "not an order". According to the data I have available, far fewer MoUs etc. fail to be turned into firm contracts than firm contracts get cancelled. The percentage is so small as to be negligible.
Totally agreed. We will see an EK order for 20 A380s in Airbus' books not yet at the end of this month, but later this year. Same as EK's order for 40x 787-10.
The only MoU I seriously doubt currently is MH's for the 787. First delivery reportedly should be in 2019, so if it isn't firmed the first half of this year I don't think it ever will.
Momo1435 wrote:like for example what happened with the Lufthansa 777X order.
WIederling wrote:Momo1435 wrote:like for example what happened with the Lufthansa 777X order.
That is Boeing. ( or what the press inflates out of a Boeing announcement.)
afair the comensurate A350 order was split into orders and options while the 777X order was a big gob of "orders"
that later shed a bit of hair
MileHFL400 wrote:Great, can they firm up that 787 order first?!
KarelXWB wrote:UPS just announced plans to order 14 more 747-8 freighters, see https://twitter.com/juliejohnsson/statu ... 3372509184
The new Airbus sales chief believes that big orders for the A350-1000, its latest widebody, are near. “I have always been convinced that the A350-1000 will be a great success,” he said. “The market is likely moving to a decision point in massive campaigns from large customers,” Schulz predicted.
ap305 wrote:http://aviationweek.com/singapore-airshow-2018/airbus-eyes-ever-higher-production-ratesThe new Airbus sales chief believes that big orders for the A350-1000, its latest widebody, are near. “I have always been convinced that the A350-1000 will be a great success,” he said. “The market is likely moving to a decision point in massive campaigns from large customers,” Schulz predicted.
Any guesses about these massive campaigns? BA? JAL? AF/KL?
KarelXWB wrote:This preliminary deal was signed in 2015.