Atlanta Air Service Discussion - 2018

rambleriver · Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:57 am

SumChristianus wrote:
Its funny that BNA has more YVR service than ATL. Wonder if that will change soon via WS or DL?
Service is only on Saturdays seasonally right now, right?

What? BNA has no YVR service.

Narfish641 · Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:07 am

787fan8 wrote:
Per Airlineroute.net, Lufthansa is going from the A340-300 to the A330-300 from July 1st, and will keep the aircraft on the route for the winter season.

Makes me wonder if Lufthansa is beginning or gonna to retire the A343s way sooner than I thought. Majority of them are around 19-21 year old mark. I guess this will be the end of regular A340 service for good in ATL.

SumChristianus · Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:33 am

rambleriver wrote:
SumChristianus wrote:
Its funny that BNA has more YVR service than ATL. Wonder if that will change soon via WS or DL?
Service is only on Saturdays seasonally right now, right?

What? BNA has no YVR service.

Sorry, you're right. WS serves YYC-BNA. I still think ATL-YVR, and ATL-YYC, beyond 1x a week, would be good for DL or WS. Perhaps a CS100? Florida seems the only main connecting market YVR/YYC-ATL would serve, and I'm not sure how it large it would be, given the distance/intermediate options.

southwest1675 · Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:02 pm

SumChristianus wrote:
rambleriver wrote:
SumChristianus wrote:
Its funny that BNA has more YVR service than ATL. Wonder if that will change soon via WS or DL?
Service is only on Saturdays seasonally right now, right?

What? BNA has no YVR service.

Sorry, you're right. WS serves YYC-BNA. I still think ATL-YVR, and ATL-YYC, beyond 1x a week, would be good for DL or WS. Perhaps a CS100? Florida seems the only main connecting market YVR/YYC-ATL would serve, and I'm not sure how it large it would be, given the distance/intermediate options.

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deltadawg · Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:10 pm

SumChristianus wrote:
Its funny that BNA has more YVR service than ATL. Wonder if that will change soon via WS or DL?
Service is only on Saturdays seasonally right now, right?

I never understood why DL dropped the ATL-YVR service? I used to fly it 2-3 times per year for about 5 years but that was about 10 years ago at the last time if I recall correctly. I would like to see that service come back either with DL metal or WS.

Also, I was on a B6 flight two weeks ago, ATL-BOS, and while talking with a flight attendant she mentioned that B6 internally stated that they were looking to start ATL-LGB. Anyone know anything about this or a source on B6 somehow?

787fan8 · Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:18 pm

deltadawg wrote:
SumChristianus wrote:
Its funny that BNA has more YVR service than ATL. Wonder if that will change soon via WS or DL?
Service is only on Saturdays seasonally right now, right?

I never understood why DL dropped the ATL-YVR service? I used to fly it 2-3 times per year for about 5 years but that was about 10 years ago at the last time if I recall correctly. I would like to see that service come back either with DL metal or WS.

Also, I was on a B6 flight two weeks ago, ATL-BOS, and while talking with a flight attendant she mentioned that B6 internally stated that they were looking to start ATL-LGB. Anyone know anything about this or a source on B6 somehow?

I actually had no idea of this, but if they go through with it, I would think that they would have a better chance of succeeding on ATL-LGB now as opposed to when they first came here back in 2003. I remember the reason why B6 pulled out of ATL that year was because competition between Delta and AirTran in the LA region at the time was too much for them to handle. Of course, things are different now, so it will be interesting to see how the route would perform now given that AirTran is no longer in business, and that AA, DL, F9, NK, and WN all fly to LAX from ATL.

jplatts · Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:20 pm

787fan8 wrote:
I actually had no idea of this, but if they go through with it, I would think that they would have a better chance of succeeding on ATL-LGB now as opposed to when they first came here back in 2003. I remember the reason why B6 pulled out of ATL that year was because competition between Delta and AirTran in the LA region at the time was too much for them to handle. Of course, things are different now, so it will be interesting to see how the route would perform now given that AirTran is no longer in business, and that DL, F9, NK, and WN all fly to LAX from ATL.

AA also serves LAX nonstop from ATL in addition to DL, WN, F9, and NK.

787fan8 · Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:52 pm

What are the chances that Emirates adds ATL-DXB in the next 3 years or so? I know Qatar Airways and Turkish Airlines already fly here, but I would just love to see the tail of an Emirates 777-200LR parked at Concourse F.

Narfish641 · Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:36 pm

Virgin Atlantic has brought its A340-600 back to the ATL from LHR. I think they might of started back up around the beginning of April as VIR103, however it's gonna be a mix of A340/A330s on this route. The A346 will return tomorrow Tuesday, and on Wednesday the A333 will take the route.

Also, while spotting at the airport Saturday, I saw 2 Southwest 737 MAX 8s landing on the south side which was pretty interesting to see two instead of one. It makes me wonder when American will bring their MAX 8s to ATL, would be awesome to see both airlines with the 737 MAXs.

BravoEchoNov · Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:27 pm

787fan8 wrote:
What are the chances that Emirates adds ATL-DXB in the next 3 years or so? I know Qatar Airways and Turkish Airlines already fly here, but I would just love to see the tail of an Emirates 777-200LR parked at Concourse F.

EK coming to Atlanta is always a possibility but I just don't see it happening soon. EK flirted with the route after Delta pulled out of Dubai but instead opted to open MCO and FLL. With JetBlue now serving BOS, JFK, FLL, and MCO from Atlanta, customers have a lot of opportunities to connect onto EK flights at each airport. Add in the fact that Emirates is just about maxed out at DXB and I just don't see them using a slot for Atlanta. We will see MCO and FLL go daily year-round before ATL has a chance.

Emirates Cargo operated to ATL for about a year but pulled out. Qatar has positioned itself as the dominant ME3 carrier in Atlanta with a daily A350-900 flight and 1-2 daily 777F flights.

787fan8 · Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:04 pm

BravoEchoNov wrote:
787fan8 wrote:
What are the chances that Emirates adds ATL-DXB in the next 3 years or so? I know Qatar Airways and Turkish Airlines already fly here, but I would just love to see the tail of an Emirates 777-200LR parked at Concourse F.

EK coming to Atlanta is always a possibility but I just don't see it happening soon. EK flirted with the route after Delta pulled out of Dubai but instead opted to open MCO and FLL. With JetBlue now serving BOS, JFK, FLL, and MCO from Atlanta, customers have a lot of opportunities to connect onto EK flights at each airport. Add in the fact that Emirates is just about maxed out at DXB and I just don't see them using a slot for Atlanta. We will see MCO and FLL go daily year-round before ATL has a chance.

Emirates Cargo operated to ATL for about a year but pulled out. Qatar has positioned itself as the dominant ME3 carrier in Atlanta with a daily A350-900 flight and 1-2 daily 777F flights.

Good points

I'll continue to remain optimistic about EK flying here someday, but I guess if any foreign carrier is going to start ATL soon, it's more than likely going to be WestJet given their new JV with Delta.

Narfish641 · Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:03 pm

Wow, I never thought the United 757-200 would come here for normal commercial service! It's inflight as we speak to EWR. Extremely rare unless they are starting to bring them down here. The reg # is N34131.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL421

N776AU · Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:25 am

Narfish641 wrote:
Wow, I never thought the United 757-200 would come here for normal commercial service! It's inflight as we speak to EWR. Extremely rare unless they are starting to bring them down here. The reg # is N34131.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL421

Did they run out of ERJ-145s or something? :duck:

Just kidding. Looks like it was a one-off equipment sub for an Airbus A319. Even if you search the status of the flight it shows the aircraft type as A319 until you open it. Then it says 757. I tried dummy booking the next few days and it's back to the mix of A320s and 737s. Nice to see, though. Hartsfield used to be 757 heaven. Now it's just MD-80 and 737 central :yuck:

Narfish641 · Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:59 pm

N776AU wrote:
Did they run out of ERJ-145s or something?

Just kidding. Looks like it was a one-off equipment sub for an Airbus A319. Even if you search the status of the flight it shows the aircraft type as A319 until you open it. Then it says 757. I tried dummy booking the next few days and it's back to the mix of A320s and 737s. Nice to see, though. Hartsfield used to be 757 heaven. Now it's just MD-80 and 737 central

We still have a good number of 757s that come here. I would actually rather say its more of a "Narrowbody" heaven than any other XD!

n2dru · Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:31 am

Yeah quite a few 757s left but A321s and 737s are numerous. Any news on Korean bringing in the 748 for the summer season?

Atlwarrior · Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:11 pm

n2dru wrote:
Yeah quite a few 757s left but A321s and 737s are numerous. Any news on Korean bringing in the 748 for the summer season?

748 should be operational in June along with Delta 350 Airbus service.

Planned changes as follows.

Seoul Incheon – Atlanta eff 02JUN18 747-8I replaces 777-300ER

n2dru · Wed May 02, 2018 5:09 am

Does anyone know how Jetblue's flights to MCO, FLL and JFK are doing? NYC is a huge market from ATL, business o&d plus VFR. And I know Atlantans love the Mouse and the boy wizard so a single flt to MCO shouldn't be hard to fill. Plus there's VFR on that and FLL for sure.

jplatts · Thu May 03, 2018 7:25 pm

Will WN ever add nonstop service to ABQ, CVG, SMF, and/or SJC from ATL? WN has nonstop service from ATL a few destinations that were never served by AirTran, including CLE, DAL, GSP, and OAK. WN will also be adding nonstop service to BNA from ATL starting on August 7th, and WN still has opportunities to add nonstop service to additional domestic destinations from ATL.

n2dru · Mon May 07, 2018 5:44 am

Anyone know where to find the busiest o&d domestic markets from ATL? We all know ATL provide connections however there is quite a bit of o&d. To where?

Atlwarrior · Thu May 10, 2018 1:04 pm

Vice President of WOW Airlines confirms they constant look at Atlanta as option to expand low cost service to the city.

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/new ... lanta.html

Narfish641 · Mon May 28, 2018 4:58 pm

Looks like the Korean Air 747-8i started service today, unless it was sometime ago.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/KAL36

787fan8 · Mon May 28, 2018 6:53 pm

Narfish641 wrote:
Looks like the Korean Air 747-8i started service today, unless it was sometime ago.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/KAL36

Per Flightaware, service started on the 21st of May. It was supposed to start on June 2nd, but I suppose demand was strong enough to warrant an early launch.

787fan8 · Mon May 28, 2018 7:24 pm

Atlwarrior wrote:
Vice President of WOW Airlines confirms they constant look at Atlanta as option to expand low cost service to the city.

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/new ... lanta.html

I wouldn’t doubt WOW Air starting ATL in a couple years or so, given that Icelandair doesn’t beat them to the punch and that they can successfully compete with Delta at DTW.

flymco753 · Mon May 28, 2018 7:29 pm

787fan8 wrote:
Atlwarrior wrote:
Vice President of WOW Airlines confirms they constant look at Atlanta as option to expand low cost service to the city.

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/new ... lanta.html

I wouldn’t doubt WOW Air starting ATL in a couple years or so, given that Icelandair doesn’t beat them to the punch and that they can successfully compete with Delta at DTW.

There's 2 huge things to consider and the largest negative is being a Delta mega-hub. While FI and WW are successful in places like MSP & DTW, it'll take a lot for one of them to be successful in ATL. Traffic to KEF is there, they could pull it off. The only big turn off is the probability of DL starting KEF along side of FI or WW and taking the share.

n2dru · Tue May 29, 2018 2:17 am

flymco753 wrote:
787fan8 wrote:
Atlwarrior wrote:
Vice President of WOW Airlines confirms they constant look at Atlanta as option to expand low cost service to the city.

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/new ... lanta.html

I wouldn’t doubt WOW Air starting ATL in a couple years or so, given that Icelandair doesn’t beat them to the punch and that they can successfully compete with Delta at DTW.
There's 2 huge things to consider and the largest negative is being a Delta mega-hub. While FI and WW are successful in places like MSP & DTW, it'll take a lot for one of them to be successful in ATL. Traffic to KEF is there, they could pull it off. The only big turn off is the probability of DL starting KEF along side of FI or WW and taking the share.

Being a DL mega-hub shouldn't be that big of a hindrance. I say that because the market is there. And believe it or not, not everyone in Atlanta is loyal to DL/Skyteam. Frontier and Spirit have built up a pretty loyal following here in the metro area and both Lufthansa and British Airways have been here for 20+ years. And if a long haul LFF comes into play I'm sure people will utilize it. Contrary to popular belief ATL is a large O&D market. There's more than connections here and not everyone flies Delta.

Narfish641 · Wed May 30, 2018 12:18 am

Seems like Virgin Atlantic are finally gonna going to bring their QOTS to Atlanta during the winter season of this year! Here is a link to the discussion. Can't wait to see the aircraft!

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1395263

bravoindia · Wed May 30, 2018 3:35 pm

Might have already been mentioned, but DL837 the HNL flight has been a 77L and seems to stay that way for a bit.

flymco753 · Wed May 30, 2018 3:53 pm

n2dru wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
787fan8 wrote:
I wouldn’t doubt WOW Air starting ATL in a couple years or so, given that Icelandair doesn’t beat them to the punch and that they can successfully compete with Delta at DTW.
There's 2 huge things to consider and the largest negative is being a Delta mega-hub. While FI and WW are successful in places like MSP & DTW, it'll take a lot for one of them to be successful in ATL. Traffic to KEF is there, they could pull it off. The only big turn off is the probability of DL starting KEF along side of FI or WW and taking the share.

Being a DL mega-hub shouldn't be that big of a hindrance. I say that because the market is there. And believe it or not, not everyone in Atlanta is loyal to DL/Skyteam. Frontier and Spirit have built up a pretty loyal following here in the metro area and both Lufthansa and British Airways have been here for 20+ years. And if a long haul LFF comes into play I'm sure people will utilize it. Contrary to popular belief ATL is a large O&D market. There's more than connections here and not everyone flies Delta.

It's actually more of a deterrent than you think. WW doesn't think they can justify ATL yet because DL WILL add KEF in response. Delta could run a 76W on ATL-KEF if they wanted to and charge maybe $200 more than WW and win over the Atlanta point of sale. This route should be handled with a carrier with more stability (ie Icelandair).

william · Wed May 30, 2018 4:49 pm

Any update on the concourse renovations? Halfway through?

N776AU · Wed May 30, 2018 9:11 pm

william wrote:
Any update on the concourse renovations? Halfway through?

C looked finished when I traveled last Saturday. I seem to remember T and A or B being done as well. Not sure about that 100%. Will try to look when I fly out this weekend.

flymco753 · Thu May 31, 2018 3:11 am

B is still being worked on a little. T and A are completely finished, so is the exterior.

Are they completely ditching the orange panels?

Narfish641 · Thu May 31, 2018 3:21 pm

flymco753 wrote:
B is still being worked on a little. T and A are completely finished, so is the exterior.

Are they completely ditching the orange panels?

I think they are ditching them completely.

787fan8 · Thu May 31, 2018 4:15 pm

In addition to the concourse modernizations, all of the steel beams for the North Terminal canopy have been installed, and work should begin soon on the installation of the ETFE covering, which will help to block the rain during severe weather events.

Narfish641 · Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:43 am

Volaris in Atlanta!? Did they start service here?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VOI ... /MMUN/KATL

globalflyer · Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:08 am

The Volaris flight to ATL is a charter. I think with Vacation Express but may be wrong...

Narfish641 · Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:05 am

There was a TAP Air Portugal A330-900neo here a few days ago. Is it still there? Also I couldn't get the registration to pop up on FlightAware, but how awesome is that!

n2dru · Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:10 am

Anyone see the Korean Air 748 yet? How long is it scheduled for?

Narfish641 · Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:09 am

Good evening everyone! Its been a moment already since this thread was active! Anyway just want bring a few VS news. First and foremost, the 747 service from ATL-MAN will start on October 29th, 2018 and continues through 2019. In addition, the A340 service from ATL-LHR will end on March 29th next and will be replaced by the A330 series aircraft. Also just in case anyone didn't know, Delta started their ATL-PVG route about a month ago. It was a 777-200LR but not sure if it switched to the A350-900XWB.

BravoEchoNov · Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:32 am

Narfish641 wrote:
Good evening everyone! Its been a moment already since this thread was active! Anyway just want bring a few VS news. First and foremost, the 747 service from ATL-MAN will start on October 29th, 2018 and continues through 2019. In addition, the A340 service from ATL-LHR will end on March 29th next and will be replaced by the A330 series aircraft. Also just in case anyone didn't know, Delta started their ATL-PVG route about a month ago. It was a 777-200LR but not sure if it switched to the A350-900XWB.

Thanks for the update! Looks like the PVG route will remain on the 777-200LR for the time being. On March 1st Delta's ATL-NRT route will change to the 777-200ER featuring the new Delta One suites.

Also, as has been discussed on another thread in this forum, ATL has been stated to be the favorite to receive Delta's new route to Mumbai, India.

william · Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:53 am

are there new exterior shots of the updated concourses?

Deltran757 · Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:38 am

william wrote:
are there new exterior shots of the updated concourses?

Today when i arrive at work. I’ll take some photos of T, A, B, And C concourse new exterior and interior.

william · Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:06 pm

Deltran757 wrote:
william wrote:
are there new exterior shots of the updated concourses?

Today when i arrive at work. I’ll take some photos of T, A, B, And C concourse new exterior and interior.

Thank you, I and I am sure others would greatly appreciate it.

BN727227Ultra · Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:10 pm

n2dru wrote:
Anyone know where to find the busiest o&d domestic markets from ATL? We all know ATL provide connections however there is quite a bit of o&d. To where?

Maybe this got answered in another thread, but I'd guess MCO and LGA are up there, below that LAX DTW and surprisingly SAV could be in the top ten.

787fan8 · Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:31 pm

Turkish Airlines is bringing in the 787 next year Sept 10th, replacing the A330-200.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-12aug18/

Sightseer · Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:10 pm

787fan8 wrote:
Turkish Airlines is bringing in the 787 next year Sept 10th, replacing the A330-200.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-12aug18/

That'll be cool. Is BA still sending the 789?

Atlwarrior · Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:43 pm

It would be neat to get an update on Qatar and Turkish air loads out of Atlanta.

787fan8 · Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:23 pm

Sightseer wrote:
787fan8 wrote:
Turkish Airlines is bringing in the 787 next year Sept 10th, replacing the A330-200.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-12aug18/

That'll be cool. Is BA still sending the 789?

AKAIK, BA has since returned to using the 772 on the route instead of the 787, but KLM is planning on bringing their 787 into ATL from Oct 28 of this year, so we'll see the 787 in ATL again.

787fan8 · Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:50 pm

Big news regarding airport expansion. Due to high costs, the planned 1.5 billion Concourse G has been cancelled, and the airport is now looking a southern expansion of gates at Concourse T as a potentially cheaper alternative. Below is the layout of the proposed gate expansion and other projects near the proposed gates.

Source: https://www.ajc.com/business/hartsfield ... 1MOghUgTI/

Image source: Hartsfield-Jackson

cranberrysaus · Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:14 pm

787fan8 wrote:
Big news regarding airport expansion. Due to high costs, the planned 1.5 billion Concourse G has been cancelled, and the airport is now looking a southern expansion of gates at Concourse T as a potentially cheaper alternative. Below is the layout of the proposed gate expansion and other projects near the proposed gates.

Source: https://www.ajc.com/business/hartsfield ... 1MOghUgTI/

Image source: Hartsfield-Jackson

I like this actually. I'm all for more easy to reach gates in T. I wonder who would end up getting them?

neomax · Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:01 am

The T expansion is a novel idea and I like it. The main problem is, this does absolutely nothing to solve the problem of a shortage of gates for widebody aircraft. This is a good stopgap solution for the interim but how long can they actually go in the long term without adding G?

Also, I wonder what effect this will have on the efficiency of ATL as it’s main point has always been a parallel gate layout. This would be the second perpendicular section to go against the parallel flow after the mid E gates. But unlike the E gates, these gates might cause longer backups anytime an a/c uses those gates as they are right next to the runway, and this could be an issue when departures are towards the east during rush hour.

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