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Jshank83
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Wed May 16, 2018 12:26 am

STLflyer wrote:


Cool!!! I had been waiting all day to see this!


Sidebar question. When I was leaving work today I saw a delta plane that looked like it had just took off but I knew it was in a weird position and didn't think it could have taken off that fast. It apparently did a go around. It was good weather so what would make this happen? Something on the runway? How common is it in good weather?

I want to listen back to atc but haven't had a chance.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SKW ... /KMSP/KSTL
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Wed May 16, 2018 1:12 am

Jshank83 wrote:
STLflyer wrote:


Cool!!! I had been waiting all day to see this!


Sidebar question. When I was leaving work today I saw a delta plane that looked like it had just took off but I knew it was in a weird position and didn't think it could have taken off that fast. It apparently did a go around. It was good weather so what would make this happen? Something on the runway? How common is it in good weather?

I want to listen back to atc but haven't had a chance.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SKW ... /KMSP/KSTL


Something on the runway. Other plane didn't exit the runway in time. Pilot was too far down, or too far off-center. Gear or flaps issue. Co-pilot expressed his need to urgently use the bathroom once they got on the ground so the pilot thought it would be funny to do a go-around. Any number of reasons, really. Go arounds are probably more common in bad weather, but definitely not unheard of in good weather.

Looks like that plane initiated the GA practically right over my office's parking lot, I missed it by less than an hour, oh well.

TWA302 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
WOW is flying to India and St. Louis will be one of the US cities it will be offered from (With a stop in Iceland, obviously). Long flight but $199 each way promotion.

https://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/ ... ia-iceland


They also extended their schedule looks like it runs 3x over winter to Iceland. It also looks like they are changing the departure time to 4:10 pm which puts in you Iceland at 4:30 am.

Outbound M/W/F
Inbound Sun/Tues/Thurs

They must be overnighting the plane here during winter so they can use the same crew both ways.


Looks like a 7 hr 15 min layover in KEF and then on to DEL. Almost 24 hours total travel.
The return has 3 hr 25 min layover in KEF.


7 hours in KEF sounds painful at first, but maybe not so bad when you consider you'd spend a few hours at another US airport, then a few hours at a European or ME3 hub. You'd potentially avoid another security screening, and since every connection is a chance to miss a flight due to delays or a place for your bag to get lost, you're decreasing the chance that something goes wrong. The 3h25m layover on the way back is money though. If I had any reason to go to India, I might consider that just to get home sooner after a long trip.
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Wed May 16, 2018 1:52 am

^and, with 7 hours, you have the time to slip out for a bit and do a city tour or if you are just wanting to stay nearby you can go to the Viking measure, explore the small town of Keflavik, or hit the blue lagoon.
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Wed May 16, 2018 2:05 am

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^and, with 7 hours, you have the time to slip out for a bit and do a city tour or if you are just wanting to stay nearby you can go to the Viking measure, explore the small town of Keflavik, or hit the blue lagoon.


Hardly enough time to do any of that.
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Wed May 16, 2018 2:59 am

stlgph wrote:
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^and, with 7 hours, you have the time to slip out for a bit and do a city tour or if you are just wanting to stay nearby you can go to the Viking measure, explore the small town of Keflavik, or hit the blue lagoon.


Hardly enough time to do any of that.

eh-most of the "layover" stuff is only like 10 min away, but yea some of it like a city tour would be a stretch.
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Wed May 16, 2018 5:01 am

stl07 wrote:
stlgph wrote:
stl07 wrote:
^and, with 7 hours, you have the time to slip out for a bit and do a city tour or if you are just wanting to stay nearby you can go to the Viking measure, explore the small town of Keflavik, or hit the blue lagoon.


Hardly enough time to do any of that.

eh-most of the "layover" stuff is only like 10 min away, but yea some of it like a city tour would be a stretch.


The flight gets in at 430 in the morning.

Nothing is open. For hours.
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Wed May 16, 2018 8:42 pm

 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Wed May 16, 2018 10:48 pm

TWA302 wrote:


It looks great!
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Wed May 16, 2018 10:54 pm

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Is that the first STL check in with a TV?
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Thu May 17, 2018 3:39 am

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They got the airport code wrong on their Facebook post, they used the hashtag #STLtoRKV, but RKV is the small domestic airport in Reykjavic. Oops.
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Thu May 17, 2018 2:04 pm

Just 4 more hours!
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Thu May 17, 2018 2:33 pm

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Just 4 more hours!


I was looking on Flightradar24 to see if they had an assigned reg for WW167. Anyone know which 321 will be coming? Also assume that the flight here will be pretty empty, unless those in KEF want to watch the Cardinals this weekend! :lol:
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Thu May 17, 2018 5:57 pm

if assumptions could fly, airliners.net would be the world's busiest airport
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Thu May 17, 2018 6:10 pm

It's departed. See above.
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Thu May 17, 2018 6:11 pm

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/WOW167

Hasn't departed yet? I can't imagine WOW is going to want this delayed too much, they have to make an excellent first impression on a bunch of people who've never flown WOW before.
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Thu May 17, 2018 6:13 pm

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I hope so, as a dog lover, I would love to fly on TF-DOG for the inaugural!
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Thu May 17, 2018 6:17 pm

stlgph wrote:
It's departed. See above.


Huh, weird. Looks like WOW does something weird with flight numbers, and doesn't use the actual one or something. Hope that's it.
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Thu May 17, 2018 6:44 pm

TF-DOG. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh that new plane smell. Delivered last month.
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Thu May 17, 2018 7:05 pm

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TF-DOG. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh that new plane smell. Delivered last month.


Well thank goodness I opted against Taco Bell for lunch, otherwise that plane would be landing in KEF tomorrow smelling a lot worse.
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Thu May 17, 2018 7:34 pm

STLflyer wrote:
stlgph wrote:
It's departed. See above.


Huh, weird. Looks like WOW does something weird with flight numbers, and doesn't use the actual one or something. Hope that's it.


Wonder if the "PF" at the end means positioning flight? Probably will switch to the regular flight number once the return segment starts with PAX
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Thu May 17, 2018 7:47 pm

TWA302 wrote:
STLflyer wrote:
stlgph wrote:
It's departed. See above.


Huh, weird. Looks like WOW does something weird with flight numbers, and doesn't use the actual one or something. Hope that's it.


Wonder if the "PF" at the end means positioning flight? Probably will switch to the regular flight number once the return segment starts with PAX


I don't think so, because 167 is a revenue flight with paying pax aboard (albeit not many I assume). They do the same alphanumeric flight number for others:

https://flightaware.com/live/findflight ... ation=KBWI
https://flightaware.com/live/findflight ... ation=KJFK
https://flightaware.com/live/findflight ... ation=KDTW

...etc...
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Fri May 18, 2018 12:38 am

They have landed!
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Fri May 18, 2018 12:53 am

That's it! The biggest goal of the airport for more than a decade has been achieved.
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Fri May 18, 2018 12:56 am

https://twitter.com/unaccompflyer?lang=en
This guy has some pics

Anyone here going have any
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Fri May 18, 2018 1:52 am

Not a fan of this live music at the gate, but at least it's not Bjork.
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Fri May 18, 2018 1:20 pm

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Not a fan of this live music at the gate, but at least it's not Bjork.


is it Sigur Ros?
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Fri May 18, 2018 3:41 pm

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Not a fan of this live music at the gate, but at least it's not Bjork.


is it Sigur Ros?



Haha no, was some local school kids or something. Should't be complaining, I got free cake, cookies and Ted Drewes. The only time anyone flying WOW has received free food ;)
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Sat May 19, 2018 10:11 pm

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Haha no, was some local school kids or something. Should't be complaining, I got free cake, cookies and Ted Drewes. The only time anyone flying WOW has received free food ;)



Let me guess, gooey butter cake? Just in case they didn't already think we're just a backwoods US city, we'll go ahead and drive home the point.
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Sat May 19, 2018 10:47 pm

Did anyone find a trip report (Or can anyone make one :))?
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Sun May 20, 2018 11:06 pm

777PHX wrote:
STLflyer wrote:
Haha no, was some local school kids or something. Should't be complaining, I got free cake, cookies and Ted Drewes. The only time anyone flying WOW has received free food ;)



Let me guess, gooey butter cake? Just in case they didn't already think we're just a backwoods US city, we'll go ahead and drive home the point.

Nope, just regular cake. Good cake too, although not sure why gooey butter cake makes us a backwoods US city.

stl07 wrote:
Did anyone find a trip report (Or can anyone make one :))?


Here you go:

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1394631
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Mon May 21, 2018 12:41 am

STLflyer wrote:
777PHX wrote:
STLflyer wrote:
Haha no, was some local school kids or something. Should't be complaining, I got free cake, cookies and Ted Drewes. The only time anyone flying WOW has received free food ;)



Let me guess, gooey butter cake? Just in case they didn't already think we're just a backwoods US city, we'll go ahead and drive home the point.

Nope, just regular cake. Good cake too, although not sure why gooey butter cake makes us a backwoods US city.

stl07 wrote:
Did anyone find a trip report (Or can anyone make one :))?


Here you go:

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1394631

Pretty cool to see an arrivals board with Ord and Lax/JFK on the back one and then St. Louis with them. Once again part of the big dogs, a least for one route!
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Mon May 21, 2018 12:47 am

STLflyer,
Did you get a gate in KEF or was it a remote stand
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Mon May 21, 2018 8:45 am

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STLflyer,
Did you get a gate in KEF or was it a remote stand

We got a gate
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Wed May 23, 2018 3:30 am

No gate on WW167 to STL this morning, took a bus to a remote stand.

There were only about 50 people on the flight, so everyone had a row to themselves. I assume the load was low because people flew out on last week to Europe and haven't yet made their way back to the states, hopefully those numbers increase over the coming weeks.

Interestingly, I did see several people with red (European) passports in the boarding line, so that must mean folks are flying WOW to STL either for business or tourism purposes, so I hope that is good news for the region. I just hope this flight proves to be successful, if WOW pulls out of STL, then we aren't ever getting that BA or LH flight. If WOW is consistently sending out full A321s, then there's hope.
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Wed May 23, 2018 1:34 pm

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No gate on WW167 to STL this morning, took a bus to a remote stand.

There were only about 50 people on the flight, so everyone had a row to themselves. I assume the load was low because people flew out on last week to Europe and haven't yet made their way back to the states, hopefully those numbers increase over the coming weeks.

Interestingly, I did see several people with red (European) passports in the boarding line, so that must mean folks are flying WOW to STL either for business or tourism purposes, so I hope that is good news for the region. I just hope this flight proves to be successful, if WOW pulls out of STL, then we aren't ever getting that BA or LH flight. If WOW is consistently sending out full A321s, then there's hope.


STL has the strongest booking of CLE/CVG/DTW (I think those were the other 3 announced at the same time). They added a 5th flight. I am pretty sure it is doing well because of those reasons.
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Wed May 23, 2018 2:29 pm

April numbers are out.

Up 5.5% for the month. 4.6% for the year.

https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... PubRel.pdf
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