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Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:26 pm

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Will be qatar airways the investor?i hope not etihad airways,bad investor.ana is not good enough.lufthansa?not the best either.lets hope for qatar or emirates!one world is the best for them.but cathay is a jealous company.

Something I forgot to add to my reply to this comment: PR and CX have historically had good relations; should they decide to join OW, I doubt Cathay would block their entry.
 
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Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:21 am

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SleeplessInZh wrote:
Will be qatar airways the investor?i hope not etihad airways,bad investor.ana is not good enough.lufthansa?not the best either.lets hope for qatar or emirates!one world is the best for them.but cathay is a jealous company.

Something I forgot to add to my reply to this comment: PR and CX have historically had good relations; should they decide to join OW, I doubt Cathay would block their entry.


It would be nice to see them in one world.as i think there are 3 airlines in star and skyteam from that region of south east asia,one world has only 2 (cathay&malaysian) i think.is eva air star?don't know about hainan airlines either.
 
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Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:23 pm

SleeplessInZh wrote:
idp5601 wrote:
SleeplessInZh wrote:
Will be qatar airways the investor?i hope not etihad airways,bad investor.ana is not good enough.lufthansa?not the best either.lets hope for qatar or emirates!one world is the best for them.but cathay is a jealous company.

Something I forgot to add to my reply to this comment: PR and CX have historically had good relations; should they decide to join OW, I doubt Cathay would block their entry.


It would be nice to see them in one world.as i think there are 3 airlines in star and skyteam from that region of south east asia,one world has only 2 (cathay&malaysian) i think.is eva air star?don't know about hainan airlines either.


As people here already know, I am firmly opposed to PR joining oneworld, and especially because of CX.

That said, this is how alliances look like in East and Southeast Asia:

    *A: BR, CA, NH, OZ, SQ, TG
    ST: CI, CZ, GA, KE, MU, VN
    OW: CX, JL, MH

While it is true that oneworld is the weakest of the three alliances in the region, I don't think PR adds much. HKG is simply too near, for one, and my deepest fear is that PR would be reduced just be a feeder for CX at HKG with little to no benefit for PR since very few oneworld airlines serve MNL and other PR hubs in the first place which could feed traffic there, as opposed to us feeding traffic to CX, JL, MH and QR.

Now while SkyTeam has GA and VN as feeder airlines to the wider network, PR can carve a niche by encouraging GA and VN to feed passengers to PR for trans-Pacific services, especially as both airlines don't serve the United States. It also helps that PR has also been courting DL so it can feed off its network in the other direction (an amazing feat given that historically, PR has been closer to AA).

Star is not as great, but it's still a better option. TG and SQ compete at very different market segments, and I think there's still room for PR to share the pie between the two (at least whatever has not been taken by the ME3). NH investing in PR would mean a ticket -- no matter how infinitesimal -- into Star in the future.

I personally think it's only a matter of time before PR joins an alliance. I hope that in the long time it's been left out in the cold as the only major Southeast Asian airline to not be in an alliance, it has the good sense to choose the right one for its needs. oneworld is definitely not that right choice.
 
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:54 pm

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SleeplessInZh wrote:
idp5601 wrote:
Something I forgot to add to my reply to this comment: PR and CX have historically had good relations; should they decide to join OW, I doubt Cathay would block their entry.


It would be nice to see them in one world.as i think there are 3 airlines in star and skyteam from that region of south east asia,one world has only 2 (cathay&malaysian) i think.is eva air star?don't know about hainan airlines either.


As people here already know, I am firmly opposed to PR joining oneworld, and especially because of CX.

That said, this is how alliances look like in East and Southeast Asia:

    *A: BR, CA, NH, OZ, SQ, TG
    ST: CI, CZ, GA, KE, MU, VN
    OW: CX, JL, MH

While it is true that oneworld is the weakest of the three alliances in the region, I don't think PR adds much. HKG is simply too near, for one, and my deepest fear is that PR would be reduced just be a feeder for CX at HKG with little to no benefit for PR since very few oneworld airlines serve MNL and other PR hubs in the first place which could feed traffic there, as opposed to us feeding traffic to CX, JL, MH and QR.

Now while SkyTeam has GA and VN as feeder airlines to the wider network, PR can carve a niche by encouraging GA and VN to feed passengers to PR for trans-Pacific services, especially as both airlines don't serve the United States. It also helps that PR has also been courting DL so it can feed off its network in the other direction (an amazing feat given that historically, PR has been closer to AA).

Star is not as great, but it's still a better option. TG and SQ compete at very different market segments, and I think there's still room for PR to share the pie between the two (at least whatever has not been taken by the ME3). NH investing in PR would mean a ticket -- no matter how infinitesimal -- into Star in the future.

I personally think it's only a matter of time before PR joins an alliance. I hope that in the long time it's been left out in the cold as the only major Southeast Asian airline to not be in an alliance, it has the good sense to choose the right one for its needs. oneworld is definitely not that right choice.


You missed a few:
*A: ZH
OW: QF

I would personally love to see PR in *A, mainly due to having the bigger route network and it being seen as the more premium alliance among the big 3 (no matter how flawed that observation may be), but I would be concerned with the overlap in routes with OZ, NH, CA, BR, and SQ on North America-bound flights, market segmentation aside; however, seeing *A's West-Central and Northern Europe map and the even bigger overlap in long haul routes (especially to the US) with TP, SN, LX, OS, LH, LO, and SK, I would be inclined to say that there might still be space for PAL (although ST may be the better choice for them).

With that being said, given what Star said about PR a few years back, the only way they could have a chance of ever joining would be if NH and/or LH will be PR's investors and if they manage to convince BR and SQ (which in my opinion would be the biggest roadblocks to a membership) to invite PAL.
 
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:22 pm

The Super Consortium want Changi Airports International as their technical partner for NAIA's redevelopment..... :hyper: .....

http://beta.philstar.com/business/2018/ ... gi-partner

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"MANILA, Philippines — The super consortium of conglomerates seeking to develop the congested Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) is planning to partner with Changi Airports International (CAI), the group behind Singapore Changi Airport, touted as one of the world’s best.

Industry sources said the super consortium of mammoth conglomerates is getting Changi as its technical partner. Members of this consortium are the Aboitiz Equity Ventures, Ayala Corp., Alliance Global Inc., Lucio Tan Group, Filinvest Land Inc., JG Summit Holdings Inc. and Metro Pacific Investments Corp.

The super consortium is looking to submit its unsolicited proposal within the first quarter, sources said. The group is seeking to develop NAIA into a world-class airport that is at par with the world’s best gateways."



My musing in the last Philippine Aviation thread about CAI's T2 proposal for CEB being site adapted to be MNL's T5 (PAL Annex) might come true in a sort of roundabout way (though probably much different than previously presented). If the partnership pushes through, then we could have quite a competition in the offing! :box:
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Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:42 pm

A couple of welcome news today...CNS/ATM system and PR's Mabuhay Lounge..... :thumbsup: .....

https://businessmirror.com.ph/duterte-e ... tem-today/

http://thestandard.com.ph/business/tran ... arter.html
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Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:41 am

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http://thestandard.com.ph/business/transport-tourism/256357/pal-eyes-completion-of-mega-mabuhay-lounge-in-2nd-quarter.html


This article also mentions when PR plans to deploy its new aircraft. Interesting times for the upcoming year. :big grin:

The airline led by tycoon Lucio Tan said it would deploy new Airbus A321 NEOs by February and A350s by June for Brisbane in Australia, India and the US East Coast.
 
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Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:02 am

Interesting development RE: the new lounge. Problem is though, where will the location be? T2 isn't exactly spacious, and a two-storey lounge would be quite massive (even if it's not exactly going to be IST TK CIP Lounge-sized). And a Q2 completion sounds a bit too optimistic, given how big it sounds like it's going to be.

And interesting development about the SMC Bulakan Airport: according to someone in the SkyScraperCity Philippine Airports Rumors thread, it sounds like it's been given the greenlight. Big news for Philippine aviation if true.
 
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Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:27 pm

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And interesting development about the SMC Bulakan Airport: according to someone in the SkyScraperCity Philippine Airports Rumors thread, it sounds like it's been given the greenlight. Big news for Philippine aviation if true.

Something I forgot to add: my biggest fear about a new airport (whether in Sangley or Bulakan) is that if NAIA will be made less crap and is expanded to support 50 million passengers a year (as the super-consortium wants do), the new gatewaymight end up becoming a disused airport (a la Mirabel) if the proper transport links are not established. Manila might not be able to support two airports (unless MNL becomes an all-domestic/turboprop/general aviation airport), and the fact that the DOTr doesn't want SMC to force existing airlines to move operations to Bulakan might not bode well for the proposed new airport.
 
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Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:14 pm

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And interesting development about the SMC Bulakan Airport: according to someone in the SkyScraperCity Philippine Airports Rumors thread, it sounds like it's been given the greenlight. Big news for Philippine aviation if true.


I read the opposite checking that thread. I thought the ICC was rumored to have turned down the project?
 
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Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:30 pm

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idp5601 wrote:
And interesting development about the SMC Bulakan Airport: according to someone in the SkyScraperCity Philippine Airports Rumors thread, it sounds like it's been given the greenlight. Big news for Philippine aviation if true.

Something I forgot to add: my biggest fear about a new airport (whether in Sangley or Bulakan) is that if NAIA will be made less crap and is expanded to support 50 million passengers a year (as the super-consortium wants do), the new gatewaymight end up becoming a disused airport (a la Mirabel) if the proper transport links are not established. Manila might not be able to support two airports (unless MNL becomes an all-domestic/turboprop/general aviation airport), and the fact that the DOTr doesn't want SMC to force existing airlines to move operations to Bulakan might not bode well for the proposed new airport.


The government should sell the land to developers and close NAIA. The money from the sale will help pay for the new airport. Sangley seems a much better alternative since much closer to Manila.

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Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:12 pm

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Interesting development RE: the new lounge. Problem is though, where will the location be? T2 isn't exactly spacious, and a two-storey lounge would be quite massive (even if it's not exactly going to be IST TK CIP Lounge-sized). And a Q2 completion sounds a bit too optimistic, given how big it sounds like it's going to be.

And interesting development about the SMC Bulakan Airport: according to someone in the SkyScraperCity Philippine Airports Rumors thread, it sounds like it's been given the greenlight. Big news for Philippine aviation if true.


If you want to get a better indication of where the lounge could be, take a few scrolls down here

https://flight-report.com/en/report/28838/Philippine-Airlines-PR658-Manila-MNL-Dubai-DXB
 
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Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:22 am

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idp5601 wrote:
And interesting development about the SMC Bulakan Airport: according to someone in the SkyScraperCity Philippine Airports Rumors thread, it sounds like it's been given the greenlight. Big news for Philippine aviation if true.


I read the opposite checking that thread. I thought the ICC was rumored to have turned down the project?

This is the post I was talking about, just for reference.
 
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Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:28 am

As for the new lounge in T2, I have a feeling they are using the space that separates the North Wing and the South Wing (the big circle). If my memory serves me right, there was a restaurant in there before...

Also in other news, PAL is ending CEB-SIN effective March 25, while BKK goes daily on the same day.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... arch-2018/
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ce-in-s18/
A319 A320 A321 A332 A333 A343 AT72 B732 B733 B738 B744 B77W DHC7 DH8C DH8D D328 MA60
2P 5J 6K CX DG EK GA KE MI PR VN OS QR A3 OK
 
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Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:58 pm

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This article also mentions when PR plans to deploy its new aircraft. Interesting times for the upcoming year.

No "parts arriving" notation yet for ln 221, PR's first A359... IGW frame scheduled to be delivered in June 2018. Any official Airbus A359 production list with currently updated entries in the public domain?


idp5601 wrote:
T2 isn't exactly spacious, and a two-storey lounge would be quite massive...... And a Q2 completion sounds a bit too optimistic, given how big it sounds like it's going to be.

They've probably been working on it...the structure is there already...they may only need to modify an existing stairwell or cut open a floor to visually and physically connect spaces and execute the design.


idp5601 wrote:
my biggest fear about a new airport (whether in Sangley or Bulakan) is that if NAIA will be made less crap and is expanded to support 50 million passengers a year (as the super-consortium wants do), the new gatewaymight end up becoming a disused airport (a la Mirabel) if the proper transport links are not established. Manila might not be able to support two airports (unless MNL becomes an all-domestic/turboprop/general aviation airport), and the fact that the DOTr doesn't want SMC to force existing airlines to move operations to Bulakan might not bode well for the proposed new airport.

That is precisely the rationale for the NAIA/Clark two-airport scheme. If Bulakan cannot stand alone on its own by the time the first phase is finished, then it runs the risk of being a white elephant. The NEDA/ICC have their work cut out for them.


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The government should sell the land to developers and close NAIA. The money from the sale will help pay for the new airport. Sangley seems a much better alternative since much closer to Manila.

While I agree that Sangley is well positioned in terms of accessibility (still need a causeway and an expanded link to CAVITEX) it remains the most expensive option and proceeds from that sale would be nowhere near what is required to build a completely operating airport on reclaimed land...which by itself would take years to stabilize. And the country is not exactly swimming in cash. :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign:



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I have a feeling they are using the space that separates the North Wing and the South Wing (the big circle).

If the Super Consortium gets selected, I don't think they would still go ahead with PAL's proposed Annex. Which is why this photoshopped concept remains intriguing..... :scratchchin: .....

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http://78.media.tumblr.com/b0804e1c9269 ... 2_1280.jpg

They could build two new adjunct wings (each with its independent departure/arrival halls, immigration/customs, security checks and baggage claims) on each concourse end of T2 (which reverts to its original domestic role) for international airlines and let PAL (and/or 5J) consolidate its operations at T1. They then could just connect to T1 via a secure, sterile bridge from what was the cargo facility before, after deleting the rest of the scheme on T1's existing apron. This could solve all the gate and apron space problems for the airlines' ever expanding fleets. :airplane:


From SkyscraperCity.....the eye of the tiger is watching developments intently, ready to pounce..... :hyper:

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https://scontent.fmnl3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=5ADAFA3B


Wonder what this building's function would be after renovations :?: .....

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//uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2018011 ... 234de3.jpg



Meanwhile, CAPA reports that turboprop ops in the country have increased significantly.....

https://centreforaviation.com/insights/ ... tes-391946


I hope Cessna's SkyCourier also finds its way here to fly P2P leisure destinations and tertiary airports that would otherwise be without reliable air service. :crossfingers:
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Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:00 pm

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idp5601 wrote:
Yahnih wrote:
According to PAL and another blog.. the deliveries for their a321neo begin February and will feature lie flat business seats! With IFE in both cabins.. PAL is taking this 5 star seriously!http://philippine-aviation-forum.29460.n7.nabble.com/Airlines-in-the-Philippines-td2i1560.html

So I'm confused: will they install lie flat C seats on both ACF and LR? Or will it be for the latter only?


Also, speaking of 5 star, will they retrofit the remaining A330s and the older 777s to the new C, W, and Y product? From what I recall consistency is a very big factor with Skytrax ratings, so standardizing the hard products would be very helpful for them if they want their fourth and fifth star.


Strictly speaking, PAL isn't taking the LR. They're taking 6 NEOs fitted with extra tanks. These will be fitted with the full-flat J seats because they're gonna be used for flights to AUS and India. They will only need 6 for these routes.

The rest of the NEO fleet will be used for regional flights of 4 hours max, and will be fitted with regular recliner J seats, as they need the Y capacity more.

As for the remaining A330s, they only do regional and Middle East flights. The CASM advantage they give on these routes helps them stay competitive with LCCs and the ME3 while still offering a flat bed in J. While there was a plan to retrofit the remaining A330s, it remains to be seen if their finances will allow it.

Now, for the 777s, they might just let the leases expire as opposed to overhauling the product, especially since PAL has 6 more a350 options. Product consistency will be a bit of a challenge since Vantage XL seats on the A330 and A350 are kinda space inefficient on the 777 compared to Cirrus, Zodiac Optima, and Stelia Opal. They could go with regular Vantage, however, that would result in the loss of direct aisle access of much of the passengers (though it would still be a better product that what they have now). I'm sure there are proposals for a reconfiguration, however, no rumors have surfaced. Usually, someone working for a seat manufacturer would blab something, but there's just no news.

Oof, I was somehow stupid enough to get past through this post. Whoops

How long are PR's 77W lease contracts? Because I can't personally see them getting five stars anytime in the near future if they keep their 777 J to 7 abreast. Even HU, which has probably the worst top-of-the-line long haul hard product among the current 5* airlines (obviously not counting LH's J because they have F) only has 6 abreast.
 
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Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:57 am

In other (slightly late) news, the DOTr has endorsed the P839 million Filinvest/JG Summit/CAI Clark Airport development project for NEDA approval.
http://malaya.com.ph/business-news/busi ... t-proposal

The new proposal covers the development of the airport into the country’s second international gateway as well as the operation and maintenance of the existing and new terminals under a joint venture with BCDA.

The consortium will also build future capacity augmentation, expand airport facilities including terminals and runways among others, as well as operate and maintain the existing and new passenger terminals.


Wonder what would happen to the GMR/Megawide terminal if this ever goes through.
 
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Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:33 pm

idp5601 wrote:
In other (slightly late) news, the DOTr has endorsed the P839 million Filinvest/JG Summit/CAI Clark Airport development project for NEDA approval.
http://malaya.com.ph/business-news/busi ... t-proposal

That seems like a classic example of "envelopmental" journalism. :sour:

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Wonder what would happen to the GMR/Megawide terminal if this ever goes through.

Would you want a repeat of the AEDC fiasco? :crazy:
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Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:38 pm

Devilfish wrote:
idp5601 wrote:
In other (slightly late) news, the DOTr has endorsed the P839 million Filinvest/JG Summit/CAI Clark Airport development project for NEDA approval.
http://malaya.com.ph/business-news/busi ... t-proposal

That seems like a classic example of "envelopmental" journalism. :sour:

idp5601 wrote:
Wonder what would happen to the GMR/Megawide terminal if this ever goes through.

Would you want a repeat of the AEDC fiasco? :crazy:

Forgive me for asking, but what was the AEDC fiasco about? It's on the tip of my tongue but I can't seem to remember.
 
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Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:01 am

idp5601 wrote:
Devilfish wrote:
idp5601 wrote:
In other (slightly late) news, the DOTr has endorsed the P839 million Filinvest/JG Summit/CAI Clark Airport development project for NEDA approval.
http://malaya.com.ph/business-news/busi ... t-proposal

That seems like a classic example of "envelopmental" journalism. :sour:

idp5601 wrote:
Wonder what would happen to the GMR/Megawide terminal if this ever goes through.

Would you want a repeat of the AEDC fiasco? :crazy:

Forgive me for asking, but what was the AEDC fiasco about? It's on the tip of my tongue but I can't seem to remember.


AEDC was the consortium led by Lucio Tan that competed against PIATCO for the contract to build Terminal 3. When PIATCO won the contract, they raised a huge fuss.

----

Anyway, moving on to other MNL news: according to Boo Chanco of The Philippine Star, those new rapid-exit taxiways will be done by July.

Speaking of airports, completion of the rapid exit taxiways at NAIA is urgent to help relieve flight delays. According to Usec Skee Tamayo, the project will be completed by July this year. It is taking time because they are only able to work in the early morning hours when Ruinway 06/24 is closed for maintenance, so as not to disrupt operations.

The rapid exit taxiways will enable an aircraft to leave the lone international runway quickly after landing and allow more flights to land and take off. Mar Roxas offered this as a tentative solution to air traffic congestion, but did nothing to get it done.

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