Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

SleeplessInZh · Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:54 pm

Cheers from switzerland to all my ph aviation friends for this!yeeeh!-A330 refurb,new B777
And finally
-A321neo
-A350

PR77W · Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:57 am

According to the Standard PAL is seriously considering Converting its option for 6 A350-900 to the larger A350-1000.

thestandard.com.ph/business/biz-plus/270482/pal-aims-for-five-star-rating-with-modern-tri-class-aircraft.html

I prefer the option to remain as the same, However the -1000 is a natural progression of the A350XWB series so there still comanality. Can the 316-tonnes MTOW varitant fly all the way to JFK if PAL decides to up-gauge from the -900 to the -1000?

LurveBus · Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:22 am

PR77W wrote:
According to the Standard PAL is seriously considering Converting its option for 6 A350-900 to the larger A350-1000.

thestandard.com.ph/business/biz-plus/270482/pal-aims-for-five-star-rating-with-modern-tri-class-aircraft.html

I prefer the option to remain as the same, However the -1000 is a natural progression of the A350XWB series so there still comanality. Can the 316-tonnes MTOW varitant fly all the way to JFK if PAL decides to up-gauge from the -900 to the -1000?

Why would they fly the -1000 to JFK, though? I was under the impression that they needed the -1000 to supplement their LAX/SFO ops. It's supposed to be their bread and butter, but they're being squeezed by the competition, so they need a good payload-hauler to the West Coast to supplement the 77Ws. Besides, there are enough A359s on order to do JFK, LHR, and maybe even YYZ or ORD.

At a certain point, though, PAL will have to tone down their expansion a bit. They've got a lot more aircraft on order, and they've been starting routes left and right, so I hope they're not biting off more than they can chew. It's very telling that Cebu Pacific has been extremely disciplined with its capacity in recent years while PAL keeps growing.

idp5601 · Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:05 am

LurveBus wrote:
PR77W wrote:
According to the Standard PAL is seriously considering Converting its option for 6 A350-900 to the larger A350-1000.

thestandard.com.ph/business/biz-plus/270482/pal-aims-for-five-star-rating-with-modern-tri-class-aircraft.html

I prefer the option to remain as the same, However the -1000 is a natural progression of the A350XWB series so there still comanality. Can the 316-tonnes MTOW varitant fly all the way to JFK if PAL decides to up-gauge from the -900 to the -1000?

Why would they fly the -1000 to JFK, though? I was under the impression that they needed the -1000 to supplement their LAX/SFO ops. It's supposed to be their bread and butter, but they're being squeezed by the competition, so they need a good payload-hauler to the West Coast to supplement the 77Ws. Besides, there are enough A359s on order to do JFK, LHR, and maybe even YYZ or ORD.

At a certain point, though, PAL will have to tone down their expansion a bit. They've got a lot more aircraft on order, and they've been starting routes left and right, so I hope they're not biting off more than they can chew. It's very telling that Cebu Pacific has been extremely disciplined with its capacity in recent years while PAL keeps growing.

PAL's growth plan post-LT buyback is significantly tamer than Ramon Ang's rather lofty ambitions during his reign (hell, he was even considering MNL-GRU for a while, AND wanted to order the 747-8). Also, the other aircraft on order are mostly replacements/additions to their short/medium-haul fleet - 6 A350s and 10 777s will not cut it for their long-haul expansion.

On a side note, 370 seats? That's pretty much the same seating capacity as their current 777s. Should they decide to convert the options into -1000s, I wonder if they'll just put the existing config on the 77W on the birds.

LurveBus · Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:22 am

idp5601 wrote:
LurveBus wrote:
PR77W wrote:
According to the Standard PAL is seriously considering Converting its option for 6 A350-900 to the larger A350-1000.

thestandard.com.ph/business/biz-plus/270482/pal-aims-for-five-star-rating-with-modern-tri-class-aircraft.html

I prefer the option to remain as the same, However the -1000 is a natural progression of the A350XWB series so there still comanality. Can the 316-tonnes MTOW varitant fly all the way to JFK if PAL decides to up-gauge from the -900 to the -1000?

Why would they fly the -1000 to JFK, though? I was under the impression that they needed the -1000 to supplement their LAX/SFO ops. It's supposed to be their bread and butter, but they're being squeezed by the competition, so they need a good payload-hauler to the West Coast to supplement the 77Ws. Besides, there are enough A359s on order to do JFK, LHR, and maybe even YYZ or ORD.

At a certain point, though, PAL will have to tone down their expansion a bit. They've got a lot more aircraft on order, and they've been starting routes left and right, so I hope they're not biting off more than they can chew. It's very telling that Cebu Pacific has been extremely disciplined with its capacity in recent years while PAL keeps growing.

PAL's growth plan post-LT buyback is significantly tamer than Ramon Ang's rather lofty ambitions during his reign (hell, he was even considering MNL-GRU for a while, AND wanted to order the 747-8). Also, the other aircraft on order are mostly replacements/additions to their short/medium-haul fleet - 6 A350s and 10 777s will not cut it for their long-haul expansion.

On a side note, 370 seats? That's pretty much the same seating capacity as their current 777s. Should they decide to convert the options into -1000s, I wonder if they'll just put the existing config on the 77W on the birds.

The existing config won't fit in an A35K. If they want 370 seats, they need to reduce the seats in the J cabin. It's theoretically doable if you have the same number of J and W seats as the 359 and reduce the pitch in Y.

Devilfish · Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:28 pm

Unless PR is intent on moving to an all-Airbus fleet and a potential A35K order would save/earn them considerably more money over their 77Ws moving forward, maintaining the status quo for now may be the more pragmatic approach. Their six existing A359 options are adequate to address additional capacity needs and allow more flexibility for their planned NA and European routes. That is, if they are not ending the leases of their earliest 77Ws.

Moving on to NAIA.....Philstar reports that the Super Consortium is inching closer to getting original proponent status for the airport's rehabilitation.... :ill:

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https://www.philstar.com/business/2018/ ... ent-status

Not sure how "the multi-billion peso makeover seeks to transform NAIA into a regional hub that will compete with Singapore’s Changi Airport and Bangkok’s Suvarnabhumi Airport" could be achieved without extensive airside developments..... :scratchchin:

Perhaps "OPS" is the way by which the Government may return the "favor" mentioned below?..... :eyebrow:

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https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2018 ... more-years

SleeplessInZh · Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:22 pm

So close to be the most improved airline by skytrax!

SleeplessInZh · Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:23 pm

2nd most improved airline.congrats philippine airlines!!!

SleeplessInZh · Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:27 pm

https://www.worldairlineawards.com/

Philippine Airlines now ranked @ 49!congrats!!!
i knew it,placed them 48-53 this year.

kim1026 · Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:31 am

PAL's rankings:
49th Best Airline
2nd Most Improved Airline
30th Best Airline Cabin Cleanliness

Also their subsidiary PAL Express is 98th best airline.

SleeplessInZh · Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:16 pm

Special mentioning that portable ife in business class and pairing with the smartphone.a step forward in innovation.so this feature is the first of its kind.gladfully very thankful to zodiac!
Sam chui forgot the lavatory.He didn't show much about the content of the ife.
Mr. Baron is a creative genuis!

PR77W · Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:13 am

SleeplessInZh
"Special mentioning that portable ife in business class and pairing with the smartphone.a step forward in innovation.so this feature is the first of its kind.gladfully very thankful to zodiac!
Sam chui forgot the lavatory.He didn't show much about the content of the ife.
Mr. Baron is a creative genuis!"

I'm quite impress with what Zodiac Inflight Innovations did with The IFE of the A350 which allows passengers to pair there PED (either Tablet or Smartphone), to the IFE which allows passenger to control through it. I'm still wondering why PAL even bother to added remote control if the Pax can just used there own devices?

SleeplessInZh · Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:36 am

I think thats for people not a having a smartphone or using them.hehe

cityairline · Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:16 am

Wow, congrats PAL for jumping from 67th spot to 49th, that’s an amazing improvement!

SleeplessInZh · Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:11 am

I think i'll get depressed if they'll announce joining skyteam.i still bellieve they'll join one world,because i already flew 4 times with qatar.and 2 with cathay,but then i was not yet a member (qatar).im pushing pal for the one world.nothing else!i'm not interested for other european airlines in star alliance,(swiss,i don't care,no ife in any intereurope flights,same to 4 star:) Lufthansa), not losing a word on Austrian.i have to.it was bad!you need all to know that european flights don't mostly have seatback ife.and Lufthansa is 5* haha.the mother of swiss.their long haul routes are exquisite btw,but not shorthaul:) some star alliance members are great, skyteam with aeroflot,delayed air france, and overproud garuda indonesia with those ifes ...bye bye.no thank you
Sticking to One World,with Qatar,Cathay,British (2001)

SleeplessInZh · Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:45 am

To admin,why can i not make my message shorter?wtf

kim1026 · Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:29 pm

I was impressed with the IFE systems on PAL's A350. :biggrin:

Not a single 5-star carrier (i think) doesn't even have those features! :bouncy:

I was shocked when he removed the screen. Maybe they could upgrade the screens when needed? or does it need to be in the same resolution?
And the device paring is a better alternative vs. an exquisite remote that could get broken. With these improvements, I think PAL will get to the top 30-40 next year. And their 5-star ambition is starting to become a reality.

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SleeplessInZh are you okay with PAL joining Star Alliance? With the direction PAL is going (changing to Altea, and the investor rumored to be ANA), it looks like PAL is joining Star. Plus Cathay will probably bar PAL because PAL is competing with them on their routes (eg Philippine routes, and Seattle route, etc.)

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Sam Chui's PAL A350 Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMU6HI8s1eI

Devilfish · Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:24 pm

Deliberation on DOTr's recommendation to MIAA re the grant of OPS to the Super Consortium for NAIA's modernization was supposed to take place Thursday, July 19. However, no reports on it have come out in the media. The NEDA is to render subsequent action but there's nothing to act on. How then could the airport's renovation proceed..... :confused:

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https://www.philstar.com/business/2018/ ... udits-dotr

Quote:
"Not on the COA list, but still waiting for DOTr action is the rehabilitation of the NAIA, also a NEDA-approved project left over from the previous administration. There are now two unsolicited proposals to do the NAIA rehab waiting for DOTr to decide.

It is taking Tugade a long while to understand that two or even three airports for Mega Manila would be alright as is the case in New York, San Francisco, London among other mega metropolitan areas. We will still need NAIA for the next 15 years while a new airport complex is being built.

Now Tugade is hinting he wants government to undertake the NAIA rehabilitation, in other words, himself. Maawa naman sa madlang public. We are suffering enough for his inability to execute projects quickly."

from: SkyscraperCity

https://imgur.com/KMvmWkO

The photo in the above link shows the dire condition MNL is in. New aircraft undergoing certification flights around the country and those yet to be delivered would be constrained to use substandard airside facilities and inadequate terminal buildings when those enter commercial service! :hissyfit:

RP-C3501 in PACMAN city.....photo by: Vic Reyes

https://s33.postimg.cc/7c5j01a9r/FB_IMG ... 045208.jpg

source: @nhe ne FB --- posted by: STRAYCATXIII

SleeplessInZh · Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:23 am

I told you so about tugade.his incompetence will further strech out and delays projects.he only talks.

About the alliance: if the investor is ana i'm also okay with it.japanese are trustworthy people.
A pitty for one world,its their loss,and will realize in future.

idp5601 · Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:40 am

Devilfish wrote:
Deliberation on DOTr's recommendation to MIAA re the grant of OPS to the Super Consortium for NAIA's modernization was supposed to take place Thursday, July 19. However, no reports on it have come out in the media. The NEDA is to render subsequent action but there's nothing to act on. How then could the airport's renovation proceed..... .....

According to Arianespace on his own aviation forum, the MIAA has approved 'in principle' the original proponent status for the NAIA Consortium, and they're just waiting for the ink to dry to make it official.

SleeplessInZh · Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:03 pm

Are there any reviews of the A350 to hongkong?;-(((((now philippine airlines have new planes.i think ph aviation reviewers are not enthuiastic.my god,flight to hongkong is not expensive at all.if i were there, i'll already book a flight and do a video:(((((nah this is just...A321neo and now this.A350?frustating to ph aviation

SleeplessInZh · Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:19 pm

...that continuing discussion in skysc about the ' pusong alaga ' of pal.it is the new pal!its about marketing themselves.they addopt it,and it makes them standout,its a signature, better than other 'bowing' asian airlines.i don't want to discuss it here but...haha.
Give pal the way to be UNIQUE my dear!my god.pal will never be a standout,(they are looking for different things),if people are already complaining how they greet there passengers...

Devilfish · Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:07 pm

It seems MCIA T2 is doing fine in its first month of commercial operation based on media reports.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2018/ ... ng-do-more

http://business.inquirer.net/254449/chi ... an-airport

source: @internationalmarketingefzco

https://instagram.fruh4-2.fna.fbcdn.net ... 0208_n.jpg

source: @markstopover

https://instagram.fruh4-6.fna.fbcdn.net ... 9104_n.jpg

posted by: diehardbisdak on SkyscraperCity

So much so that earlier expansion of the center concourse (provided existing electro/mechanical plant could handle the additional load) ...and construction of a new full length taxiway (at least) may be reasonable. But they should install these soon (5 are earmarked for CEB) to mitigate crowding and lessen the workload of the BI personnel.....

https://scontent.fmnl3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=5BE168B8

(Would settle for a new Shake Shack outlet near the boarding gates instead)..... :yummy:

However, CAPA cautions against over optimism, particularly in Panglao..... :optimist:

.....

https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/ ... ism-419860

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ia9SVtZUeI

.....while featuring 5J's ATR freighter conversions.....

https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/ ... lcc-427913

In the meantime, PR's second A359 is at the delivery center having completed 3 test flights, the third is on the flightline awaiting first flight, while the fourth is in the paint hangar for its livery. RP-C3501 had completed some revenue flights to HKG already. Here it was in DVO as part of its local certification requirement..... :veryhappy:

posted by: albuminoid

https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=5BDAFB84

SleeplessInZh · Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:11 pm

I completely felt in love with the A359.that i think they will not opt for the A350-1000 in a year.pal is better with the smaller and more efficient A350-9s for seattle and paris
I still believe they will strech the leasing agreement with the B777 and will refurbish them.a surprise,maybe with a new business class design by 2021
*hoping*delta*sliding doors*more privacy*first in business*cough

juliuswong · Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:50 pm

Hi guys, I have been a silent reader here for some time. I must say this is one of the few best threads I am currently following. Thank you for all contributors. The Philippines is a beautiful country, I hope I can return some day.

Congratulation to Philippines Airlines in attaining A350XWB and A321neo successively. What a momentemous occasion!

If I may add, Phillipines AirAsia finally is down to last IAE-powered A320-232 RP-C8995 after her sibling RP-C8994 left few days ago for Dubai. They are being replaced with pre-loved A320-214. Hopefully they will start receiving A320neo soon.

PR77W · Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:34 am

SleeplessInZh wrote:
I completely felt in love with the A359.that i think they will not opt for the A350-1000 in a year.pal is better with the smaller and more efficient A350-9s for seattle and paris
I still believe they will strech the leasing agreement with the B777 and will refurbish them.a surprise,maybe with a new business class design by 2021
*hoping*delta*sliding doors*more privacy*first in business*cough

I've heard from the other forum that the leased contract for 7777 & 7776 where recently extended so looks liked there sticking in the fleet for a while longer. As for the remaining B77W, 7775, 7774, 7773,
& 7772. Are self-owned while 7778, 7779, 7781 and
7782 are on long-term leased so there no going any where as far as I'm concerned.

Speaking of B777-300ER This CAPA analysis I read about TG considering to introduced premium economy class to there fleet, also detalis about other airlines in South East Asia that offeres PE including PAL. It stayted that PAL has so far at least for now there no plans to refit the B77W with PE class.

For More Here the Link:
https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/ ... end-428540

Devilfish · Wed Jul 25, 2018 4:52 pm

Our default columnist has some good things to say about MCIA T2..... :thumbsup:

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https://www.philstar.com/business/2018/ ... no-service

source: @Ryan Yu | FB ----- posted by: wakeuptoreality

https://scontent.fceb2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=5BE158DE

Indeed, M/GMR chief executive advisor was recently talking about QR starting services from CEB to DOH within three months. He also said they were eyeing to connect CEB to two EU destinations with TK and AY.

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthre ... &page=1240

Meanwhile, 5J will launch their new AU flights to MEL in a bit over two weeks time on Aug. 14.....

http://www.bworldonline.com/cebu-pacifi ... lia-route/

This as air travel is seen to cost more in 2019.....

http://business.inquirer.net/254552/p2f ... osts-go-up

In fact, PR expect their costs to increase by $110M this year mainly due to rising fuel prices..... :dollarsign:

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https://www.philstar.com/business/2018/ ... llion-year

jasp25 · Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:22 pm

Been following this thread for several years. Congrats to Philippine Airlines for attaining 4-Star status on SkyTrax. I have not flown on PAL for years, so what are the noticeable changes on their onboard service specifically their MNL-US main land economy cabin flights since their 4-Star upgrade?

Philippine747 · Sat Jul 28, 2018 8:20 am

AirAsia Malaysia will be ending their Kuala Lumpur-Davao route effective August 20. Quite surprising actually, the route hasn't even lasted a year...

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -aug-2018/

idp5601 · Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:53 pm

Looks like Sangley could be pushing through despite the Bulacan airport...
http://manilastandard.net/business/biz- ... rport.html

jteruel06 · Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:07 pm

The NAIA airline-terminal assignments that initially was planned to take effect on August 31 has been placed on hold
http://www.flightsinasia.com/article/4134

SleeplessInZh · Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:08 pm

When will the 2nd A350 arrive from toulouse to manille?its ready for delivery

Devilfish · Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:49 pm

5J leases five A320Ns from Avolon..... :airplane:

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https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ic-450720/

Quote:
"Lessor Avolon has placed five Airbus A320neos with Filipino low-cost carrier Cebu Pacific Air.

The lessor states that all the aircraft will be delivered during the second half of 2019".

It appears 5J has actually put its long-haul, low-cost aspirations on the back burner for now.

Meanwhile.....PR's next A321N, RP-C9933 is pictured here at XFW..... :smile:

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VolvoBus · Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:30 pm

jteruel06 wrote:
The NAIA airline-terminal assignments that initially was planned to take effect on August 31 has been placed on hold
http://www.flightsinasia.com/article/4134

Why am I thinking that 'unforeseen operational constraints' translates as 'we are shunting all these transfers between T1/T3 and T2, but we don't have the vehicular capacity to do it, and we don't have the road capacity if we did.'

oskarclare · Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:27 am

Has anyone heard about intentions for Cebu-Brisbane. Saw an article today and wondering if it is legit and a possibility?

http://www.bworldonline.com/cebu-airpor ... l-flights/

PR77W · Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:55 am

Devilfish wrote:
5J leases five A320Ns from Avolon..... .....

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ic-450720/

Quote:
"Lessor Avolon has placed five Airbus A320neos with Filipino low-cost carrier Cebu Pacific Air.

The lessor states that all the aircraft will be delivered during the second half of 2019".

It appears 5J has actually put its long-haul, low-cost aspirations on the back burner for now.

Meanwhile.....PR's next A321N, RP-C9933 is pictured here at XFW..... .....

Speaking of A321 PAL will start using there 321neo to Port Morseby this august 9th, the frequency will be reduced to 3 times weekly then increased to 4 times weekly by 4th September

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -aug-2018/

Meanwhile 5J is bringing its A321ceo to SGN this month. Will operate flight 753/754 service which is three times weekly.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -aug-2018/

Devilfish · Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:39 pm

SleeplessInZh wrote:
When will the 2nd A350 arrive from toulouse to manille?its ready for delivery

According to the ff posts in the A350 P&D thread.....

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Word on the street (TBC) is that MSN 228 (PR#2) was contractually delivered on Monday (7/30). #6 in July. #46 in 2018. Will fly home in early August.

So, final delivery "in country" must be imminent...have a little patience as no exact delivery date was given.

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
MSN 236 (PR#3) first flight #AIB01HH
MSN 243 (PR#4) rolled out of the paint hangar and has been spotted on the flightline

In the meantime, enjoy this photo in the database of msn 236, PR's third A359 on its first flight (to be RP-C3504)..... :airplane:

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SleeplessInZh · Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:19 pm

Nerving one world alliance fb page,by sending suggestions to invite pal as a full member airline.
But i think i'm not the only one there, getting on nerves.there are some there, whom make suggestions for pals entry.haha.
go to -> one world fb page.like.i do appreciate your next pal comments there,suggest pals entry to one world.
Star alliance is also good,but i'm not a member

MHG · Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:31 pm

Does anyone know which Philippine operator will receive the ex Trans Nusa Fokker 50 (ex PK-TNS / MSN 20307) at the end of august ("expected") ?

SleeplessInZh · Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:46 pm

Fokker 50?isn't that ultra-ancient?thats for a crash airline,definetly not for pal.

SleeplessInZh · Mon Aug 06, 2018 1:19 am

Asiana Airlines fell few notches down,but is still a 5 star airline?if speaking to skytrax,why don't they downgrade airlines from 5 stars to 4 stars?!malaysian airlines is still not rated,it is now 3 years!i think they are 4 stars?!often, i don't really understand these ratings by skytrax.For example: delta airlines is rated high in the world airlines awards,but delta airlines is not rated 4 stars. So???
we never know,if its all about money..?

SleeplessInZh · Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:48 pm

I had a talk today with my boss (gategourmet/hna) and he told me that he flew pal several times zrh-mnl back the days when pal had many flights to zrh.he said pal was better than singapore airlines before and the flights with pal to asia were the best he can still remember.
He flew out of frankfurt with the B747-2 because they had a technical problem @zrh,so passengers were deported to frankfurt in a swissair flight!
He told me that pal was the best airline for him that time.
Feeling So nostalgic to hear this story!its always a delight to hear so many good things about past Philippine Airlines.

SleeplessInZh · Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:16 pm

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ce-in-w18/

Fly the A350! Nice
The 2x A350 replacing the A330 go to 1× melbourne and 1x sydney for a short time but (sydney goes 11times only-321neo!!:((((( by feb)my god!
Wtf only A321neo for syd by feb.???i thought sydney go double daily by A330 and A321neo?!!!but only A321neo...shock

SleeplessInZh · Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:47 am

Ufff this thread is boring without devilfish and idp dissagreeing my comment...f
aka promulgator in skyscraper and kim...?!i think its typhoon Time, so you all are not active.solblanc is maybe PR777w or Lurvebus from skyscrapercity? I forgot my password @skyscrappercity.but where are you all at?!my god i think im the only one speaking..its like a dead thread!i do now stop commenting because noone is answering

jteruel06 · Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:52 am

VolvoBus wrote:
jteruel06 wrote:
The NAIA airline-terminal assignments that initially was planned to take effect on August 31 has been placed on hold
http://www.flightsinasia.com/article/4134

Why am I thinking that 'unforeseen operational constraints' translates as 'we are shunting all these transfers between T1/T3 and T2, but we don't have the vehicular capacity to do it, and we don't have the road capacity if we did.'

It was announced few months ago, and the September target date was a bit too soon for such a large shift at once. I don't think it solves the much bigger problem of the air traffic congestion at NAIA, though I won't be surprised if some airlines still will volunteer to move from NAIA 1 to 3.

JL745 · Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:51 am

SleeplessInZh wrote:
I think i'll get depressed if they'll announce joining skyteam.i still bellieve they'll join one world,because i already flew 4 times with qatar.and 2 with cathay,but then i was not yet a member (qatar).im pushing pal for the one world.nothing else!i'm not interested for other european airlines in star alliance,(swiss,i don't care,no ife in any intereurope flights,same to 4 star:) Lufthansa), not losing a word on Austrian.i have to.it was bad!you need all to know that european flights don't mostly have seatback ife.and Lufthansa is 5* haha.the mother of swiss.their long haul routes are exquisite btw,but not shorthaul:) some star alliance members are great, skyteam with aeroflot,delayed air france, and overproud garuda indonesia with those ifes ...bye bye.no thank you
Sticking to One World,with Qatar,Cathay,British (2001)

PAL might go for SkyTeam since Business class passengers from Vancouver have access to the SkyTeam Lounge since July.

SleeplessInZh · Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:40 pm

Oh no the worst of the alliances...

Qantas16 · Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:02 pm

JL745 wrote:
PAL might go for SkyTeam since Business class passengers from Vancouver have access to the SkyTeam Lounge since July.

That is quite a stretch... you've put 1 and 1 together and made 100 there...

In SYD & MEL they use the SQ Kris Lounge so therefore they will join Star Alliance?
In BNE they use the QF lounge so therefore they will join OneWorld?

blandy62 · Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:01 am

MHG wrote:
Does anyone know which Philippine operator will receive the ex Trans Nusa Fokker 50 (ex PK-TNS / MSN 20307) at the end of august ("expected") ?

Interesting. Don't really see any of the current operator taking a F50 beside skyjet may be?

MHG · Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:07 am

blandy62 wrote:
MHG wrote:
Does anyone know which Philippine operator will receive the ex Trans Nusa Fokker 50 (ex PK-TNS / MSN 20307) at the end of august ("expected") ?

Interesting. Don't really see any of the current operator taking a F50 beside skyjet may be?

Since we´re talking of a single aircraft it´s unlikely to end up with one of the "big" players.
Maybe one of the local charter/contract operators needs an additionl aircraft ... ?
Or maybe it´s a small start-up for regional/domestic off-the-beaten-track services ...
After all the F50 is a solid aircraft - if a bit heavy (in terms of weight/payload balance) by todays standards.
Not sure that Skyjet would need F50 - well, except maybe for flights to USU after they found out that Bae146 is the wrong a/c for that runway ...

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