Hi everyone.
I noticed the CAI-JNB-CAI flight being operated by SU-GCG yesterday (01/01/2018).
It is unpainted. According to what I can gather from PlaneSpotters, it was delivered to MS in 2005 in the old livery. In 2011 it was repainted into the new livery. From at least 01/01/2017, it has been bare white (funny enough, exactly 1 year to the day of me noticing it being unpainted).
This ^ is all based on info and pics from PlaneSpotters.
What is the reason for this? The other 9 A330s in the fleet appear to be painted, with one also wearing Star Alliance colours.
It seems very odd and too long to be a transitionary period between paints or something of that sort.
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Re: Question about unpainted MS A332 SU-GCG
Does it get used on the TLV route?
Re: Question about unpainted MS A332 SU-GCG
khowaga wrote:Does it get used on the TLV route?
That is highly likely!
I just checked out the Air Sinai Wikipedia page and found this: "Other types, including larger aircraft are also used based on operational requirements, with EgyptAir markings removed."
Re: Question about unpainted MS A332 SU-GCG
MoKa777 wrote:khowaga wrote:Does it get used on the TLV route?
That is highly likely!
I just checked out the Air Sinai Wikipedia page and found this: "Other types, including larger aircraft are also used based on operational requirements, with EgyptAir markings removed."
IIRC LY no longer serves CAI, so MS (erm, sorry, “Air Sinai”) is the only carrier on the route.
Of course, it’s also possible that it’s hanging around for a wet lease, but TLV seems the most likely explanation for why they’d use an unpainted aircraft?
Re: Question about unpainted MS A332 SU-GCG
Royal Jordanian flies to Tel Aviv and they fly the route with there own aircraft in there own livery. Why does EgyptAir need to use Air Sinai? They can operate an aircraft in the EgyptAir livery to and from Tel Aviv and there not gonna be banned from serving other muslim countries. RJ and MS serve BEY, JED, RUH, DXB, etc. and just because they fly to Israel doesn't mean there gonna get banned from those countries. I just think it's weird how RJ serves the route normally but EgyptAir feels the need to serve the route via Air Sinai when they don't need to and won't get banned anywhere else for doing so.
Otherwise, how do you book CAI-TLV on Air Sinai? On a website or somewhere else? It can't be done most likely on the EgyptAir website.
Otherwise, how do you book CAI-TLV on Air Sinai? On a website or somewhere else? It can't be done most likely on the EgyptAir website.
Re: Question about unpainted MS A332 SU-GCG
NichCage wrote:Royal Jordanian flies to Tel Aviv and they fly the route with there own aircraft in there own livery. Why does EgyptAir need to use Air Sinai? They can operate an aircraft in the EgyptAir livery to and from Tel Aviv and there not gonna be banned from serving other muslim countries. RJ and MS serve BEY, JED, RUH, DXB, etc. and just because they fly to Israel doesn't mean there gonna get banned from those countries. I just think it's weird how RJ serves the route normally but EgyptAir feels the need to serve the route via Air Sinai when they don't need to and won't get banned anywhere else for doing so.
Otherwise, how do you book CAI-TLV on Air Sinai? On a website or somewhere else? It can't be done most likely on the EgyptAir website.
At the time Egypt signed the peace treaty with Israel in 1978 it did, indeed, face a backlash from other Arab countries (it was suspended from the Arab League and temporarily faced a boycott—IIRC it lasted til 1986), so MS could not operate the route on its own metal. Hence Air Sinai. Air Sinai ceased to exist in 2002, but you’re right that MS’s flights still carry the 4D code and are not bookable through MS’s website.
The political atmosphere was totally different when Jordan signed its treaty with Israel in 1994. The Oslo Peace Agreement was in place, it was a time of optimism—although RJ also had a subsidiary, Royal Wings, that technically operated the flight AMM-TLV initially. Unlike MS, however, the Royal Wings flight could be booked inter line with RJ’s other flights. That only lasted a couple of years — I remember by the time of my last visit to Israel in 1997 that RJ was already operating the flight itself.
Why MS feels the need to maintain the fiction today I’m not sure—I don’t think it’s about fearing being banned from other Arab countries so much as internal opinion?
Re: Question about unpainted MS A332 SU-GCG
The really weird thing is that Palestinian Airlines, when they existed along with the short-lived Yasir Arafat International Airport in Gaza, flew from Gaza to several destinations in countries that didn’t recognize Israel or accept Israeli passports. I always wondered how that worked.
Re: Question about unpainted MS A332 SU-GCG
In the last six month it’s operated to country opposite of Tel Aviv which is normally a EMB170 .This untitled one
I fact this white 330 has been extensively used into Saudi Arabia and Kuwait ,
I fact this white 330 has been extensively used into Saudi Arabia and Kuwait ,
Re: Question about unpainted MS A332 SU-GCG
Egyptair are due sometime in the near future to convert 1 or 2 A332s to freighters.
Maybe that is why this aircraft is wearing white livery?
Maybe that is why this aircraft is wearing white livery?
Re: Question about unpainted MS A332 SU-GCG
I doubt it has anything to do with the TLV route, I recommend a different thread for that discussion. There is a 772 also in a white livery SU-GBS which is used on the CAN route occasionally, I’ve assumed it has been brought back in service after the 77W got clipped in JFK last month. I agree, they may be waiting for a wet lease, but also they could be waiting for Egyptair’s 85th year anniversary livery which a recently delivered 737 has been sporting it.
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