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chrisnh wrote:On October 13 I am scheduled to fly from Fort Myers to Manchester on DL. My booking was RSW-LGA-MHT. But I have discovered that they've switched me to RSW-ATL-MHT, and the ATL-MHT leg is shown as a 737-700. But I'm hearing from someone on our FB spotters page that it may actually end up being a 737-800. I'll be interested to see what it ends up being!
Portlander wrote:Thanks, not sure where you are finding these stats but can you share PWM's enplanements for the year through July 31? The Jetport handled 925,000 for CY 2017 and with the increased numbers I would assume it will break it's record and easily surpass 1 million.
spinkid wrote:Anyone think Chicopee/Westover service will ever return. The terminal is still there after the departure of Skybus which (hard to believe) was 10 years ago.
cheapgreek wrote:spinkid wrote:Anyone think Chicopee/Westover service will ever return. The terminal is still there after the departure of Skybus which (hard to believe) was 10 years ago.
Some years ago there was talk of the airport becoming a commercial airport. Nothing more was said. It would be a good airport for the large catchment area that Springfield provides and carriers like Allegiant and Frontier could do well with perhaps some flights by the majors to PHL,DTW,etc. Adding CEF would give Massachusetts travelers good coverage for all of the state, BOS,ORH and KEF. Massport could make it happen.
tomaheath wrote:With UA ORD flight from MHT axed (hopefully not for too long) why would WN go less than daily to MDW? I would of thought the Southwest would of seen a opportunity to add a flight or larger aircraft but they did the complete opposite by reducing flight and no flight at all on Sundays.
lat41 wrote:tomaheath wrote:With UA ORD flight from MHT axed (hopefully not for too long) why would WN go less than daily to MDW? I would of thought the Southwest would of seen a opportunity to add a flight or larger aircraft but they did the complete opposite by reducing flight and no flight at all on Sundays.
I call it the Southwest "Western wall". In an effort to bolster travel in that direction from BOS where competition is hammering them, WN makes the fares high and available seats low from Manchester to the North and Providence to the South. To me, their idea is "if you like us at your city, you"ll follow us to BOS to travel West". Pinching off the seats and jacking up the fares to cities out West from MHT and PVD is Southwest's method. Where there is a choice, however, passengers find an alternate carrier or route from their home city instead. Hopefuly, in MHT, the choices will broaden so leisure and business travelers can do just that in time. Having PWN not too far away is not helping right now.
airbazar wrote:Not surprised. One of the reasons I hardly ever fly WN is because their prices are always so much more expensive than everyone else. And on top of that I can't reserve a seat. I see no redeeming qualities for WN from either MHT or BOS, which are the only 2 airports I'd fly out of. Maybe they are more competitive in otehr parts of the country but around here it's hard to see how they can stay in business. I guess when you charge double the price you don't have to fly with high load factors.
Fex180 wrote:airbazar wrote:Not surprised. One of the reasons I hardly ever fly WN is because their prices are always so much more expensive than everyone else. And on top of that I can't reserve a seat. I see no redeeming qualities for WN from either MHT or BOS, which are the only 2 airports I'd fly out of. Maybe they are more competitive in otehr parts of the country but around here it's hard to see how they can stay in business. I guess when you charge double the price you don't have to fly with high load factors.
Almost seems like WN is getting ready for a larger scale down of operations at MHT. I could easily see MHT being reduced to a similar level of WN service as PWM. 3-4x daily to BWI and maybe 1x daily or Saturday service to MDW or MCO.
Fex180 wrote:airbazar wrote:Not surprised. One of the reasons I hardly ever fly WN is because their prices are always so much more expensive than everyone else. And on top of that I can't reserve a seat. I see no redeeming qualities for WN from either MHT or BOS, which are the only 2 airports I'd fly out of. Maybe they are more competitive in otehr parts of the country but around here it's hard to see how they can stay in business. I guess when you charge double the price you don't have to fly with high load factors.
Almost seems like WN is getting ready for a larger scale down of operations at MHT. I could easily see MHT being reduced to a similar level of WN service as PWM. 3-4x daily to BWI and maybe 1x daily or Saturday service to MDW or MCO.
wnflyguy wrote:Fex180 wrote:airbazar wrote:Not surprised. One of the reasons I hardly ever fly WN is because their prices are always so much more expensive than everyone else. And on top of that I can't reserve a seat. I see no redeeming qualities for WN from either MHT or BOS, which are the only 2 airports I'd fly out of. Maybe they are more competitive in otehr parts of the country but around here it's hard to see how they can stay in business. I guess when you charge double the price you don't have to fly with high load factors.
Almost seems like WN is getting ready for a larger scale down of operations at MHT. I could easily see MHT being reduced to a similar level of WN service as PWM. 3-4x daily to BWI and maybe 1x daily or Saturday service to MDW or MCO.
MHT is making money for WN.
MHT in addition to service levels drop with the additions of BOS and PWM it also saw the trend that affected many small cities around the WN system.
That trend was the retirement of the 737-300 cause a fleet shortage which is now just back up to pre retirement levels it had a affect on a lot of small WN markets. MHT has seen a small rebound mostly thru more flights being upgraded to 737-800 vs 737-700. The available seats have increased some but flight schedule is still around 12 to 15 depending on the season. I don't think MHT-LAS will be gone forever I can see summer seasonal returns in the future. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was a Saturday only addition.
As for MHT dropping to 4 or 5 daily flights total it's not going to happen.
I can see PWM growing to maybe 8 daily flights in the summer season.
Flyguy
wnflyguy wrote:Fex180 wrote:airbazar wrote:Not surprised. One of the reasons I hardly ever fly WN is because their prices are always so much more expensive than everyone else. And on top of that I can't reserve a seat. I see no redeeming qualities for WN from either MHT or BOS, which are the only 2 airports I'd fly out of. Maybe they are more competitive in otehr parts of the country but around here it's hard to see how they can stay in business. I guess when you charge double the price you don't have to fly with high load factors.
Almost seems like WN is getting ready for a larger scale down of operations at MHT. I could easily see MHT being reduced to a similar level of WN service as PWM. 3-4x daily to BWI and maybe 1x daily or Saturday service to MDW or MCO.
MHT is making money for WN.
MHT in addition to service levels drop with the additions of BOS and PWM it also saw the trend that affected many small cities around the WN system.
That trend was the retirement of the 737-300 cause a fleet shortage which is now just back up to pre retirement levels it had a affect on a lot of small WN markets. MHT has seen a small rebound mostly thru more flights being upgraded to 737-800 vs 737-700. The available seats have increased some but flight schedule is still around 12 to 15 depending on the season. I don't think MHT-LAS will be gone forever I can see summer seasonal returns in the future. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was a Saturday only addition.
As for MHT dropping to 4 or 5 daily flights total it's not going to happen.
I can see PWM growing to maybe 8 daily flights in the summer season.
Flyguy
pwm2txlhopper wrote:wnflyguy wrote:Fex180 wrote:
Almost seems like WN is getting ready for a larger scale down of operations at MHT. I could easily see MHT being reduced to a similar level of WN service as PWM. 3-4x daily to BWI and maybe 1x daily or Saturday service to MDW or MCO.
MHT is making money for WN.
MHT in addition to service levels drop with the additions of BOS and PWM it also saw the trend that affected many small cities around the WN system.
That trend was the retirement of the 737-300 cause a fleet shortage which is now just back up to pre retirement levels it had a affect on a lot of small WN markets. MHT has seen a small rebound mostly thru more flights being upgraded to 737-800 vs 737-700. The available seats have increased some but flight schedule is still around 12 to 15 depending on the season. I don't think MHT-LAS will be gone forever I can see summer seasonal returns in the future. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was a Saturday only addition.
As for MHT dropping to 4 or 5 daily flights total it's not going to happen.
I can see PWM growing to maybe 8 daily flights in the summer season.
Flyguy
They've been here at PWM for five or six years now, and still haven't added flights. It's the same four per day to BWI (5 in summer) they started with when Air Tran got bought out. With Saturday only service to MDW and MCO seasonally that most people don't even know about. They don't even have a station here with SW employees, nor is cargo available at PWM.
I don't think Southwest has much interest in PWM? Hopefully, they'll add some Florida flights to try and drive off Frontier when they start RSW and TPA next month. MCO just commenced last month. DEN would be nice for getting out west. butI wouldn't hold my breath.
aaflyer777 wrote:I'm still crossing my fingers F9 decides to start MHT, its the type of airport they like to fly to and there's definitely a market for them to fill
aaflyer777 wrote:I'm still crossing my fingers F9 decides to start MHT, its the type of airport they like to fly to and there's definitely a market for them to fill
BTVB6Flyer wrote:So far seeing for sure MCO/DEN from BTV on F9
BTVB6Flyer wrote:So far seeing for sure MCO/DEN from BTV on F9
bomber996 wrote:BTVB6Flyer wrote:So far seeing for sure MCO/DEN from BTV on F9
My bet is a DEN-BTV-MCO-BTV-DEN day long rotation. Early departure from Denver, late arrival back.
Peace
WeatherPilot wrote:bomber996 wrote:BTVB6Flyer wrote:So far seeing for sure MCO/DEN from BTV on F9
My bet is a DEN-BTV-MCO-BTV-DEN day long rotation. Early departure from Denver, late arrival back.
Peace
I said the same on the other thread. If the numbers are there for F9 with DEN and MCO they'll probably start TPA, RDU and RSW shortly after.
WeatherPilot wrote:WeatherPilot wrote:bomber996 wrote:
My bet is a DEN-BTV-MCO-BTV-DEN day long rotation. Early departure from Denver, late arrival back.
Peace
WeatherPilot wrote:WeatherPilot wrote:WeatherPilot wrote:
I said the same on the other thread. If the numbers are there for F9 with DEN and MCO they'll probably start TPA, RDU and RSW shortly after.
Fex180 wrote:Pretty shocked to go on the F9 website this morning and see that they are starting at PSM in December. The only route I can see right now is PSM-MCO running Tues/Thurs/Sun
still, definitely didn't see this coming
paysonmt77 wrote:Looking at the schedules for both PWM and PSM comparably: PWM-MCO flies on the days that PSM does not so no direct competition in Dec/Jan/Feb. However at PSM, Frontier will fly against the scheduled allegiant schedule. This will be an interesting dog fight even though allegiant flies to SFB. Both airports combined will cover each day to MCO on Frontier. PWM has the better schedule at Monday, Wed, Friday, Sat
Fex180 wrote:paysonmt77 wrote:Looking at the schedules for both PWM and PSM comparably: PWM-MCO flies on the days that PSM does not so no direct competition in Dec/Jan/Feb. However at PSM, Frontier will fly against the scheduled allegiant schedule. This will be an interesting dog fight even though allegiant flies to SFB. Both airports combined will cover each day to MCO on Frontier. PWM has the better schedule at Monday, Wed, Friday, Sat
It is odd given that Portland and Portsmouth are less than an hour apart on the turnpike. Maybe bookings from PWM were strong enough that they decided PSM-MCO wouldn't be detrimental to their PWM operations.
Also definitely not good news for MHT.
Fex180 wrote:It is odd given that Portland and Portsmouth are less than an hour apart on the turnpike. Maybe bookings from PWM were strong enough that they decided PSM-MCO wouldn't be detrimental to their PWM operations.
Also definitely not good news for MHT.
iyerhari wrote:Question is did MHT even try for G4? If MHT mgmt. feels that they can depend on spillover service from BOS, it is going to challenging in the current times when there are other airports in the region who are vying for new service. I agree with you - not a good news for MHT.
airbazar wrote:Fex180 wrote:paysonmt77 wrote:Looking at the schedules for both PWM and PSM comparably: PWM-MCO flies on the days that PSM does not so no direct competition in Dec/Jan/Feb. However at PSM, Frontier will fly against the scheduled allegiant schedule. This will be an interesting dog fight even though allegiant flies to SFB. Both airports combined will cover each day to MCO on Frontier. PWM has the better schedule at Monday, Wed, Friday, Sat
It is odd given that Portland and Portsmouth are less than an hour apart on the turnpike. Maybe bookings from PWM were strong enough that they decided PSM-MCO wouldn't be detrimental to their PWM operations.
Also definitely not good news for MHT.
But PSM works for some of us in Mass, better than MHT.
I live off of I-495 about 10min closer to PSM than MHT and they have FREE parking. There are also a lot of towns in MAss for whom PSM will be cheaper and more convenient than BOS. Haverhill, Newburryport, Amesbury, Topsfield, are all less than 30 mins away.