Airbus A320neo Family Production/Delivery Thread 2018

MoKa777 · Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:28 pm

Stitch wrote:
MoKa777 wrote:
So, I assume an airline like LH, for example, will have to go from 30 inch pitch now to 28-29 inches when and if the ACF A321neo joins their fleet. That is disappointing. Either overly generous or really tight. Also, this confit will become the standard for all A321s including the LR.

I am pretty sure that ACF is an option for A321neo customers and you can still purchase an A321neo with four Type I doors activated and no overwing exits.

I am not 100% sure myself but an Airbus press release says the following:

"The A321neo ACF is an option today and will become standard for all A321neos around 2020.

The A321neo ACF is the base for a longer range variant known as the A321LR."

http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-re ... o-acf.html

bspc · Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:07 pm

The second A320neo for British Airways Delivered - https://a320archive.com/msn/8139

A380MSN004 · Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:07 pm

Stitch wrote:
MoKa777 wrote:
So, I assume an airline like LH, for example, will have to go from 30 inch pitch now to 28-29 inches when and if the ACF A321neo joins their fleet. That is disappointing. Either overly generous or really tight. Also, this confit will become the standard for all A321s including the LR.

I am pretty sure that ACF is an option for A321neo customers and you can still purchase an A321neo with four Type I doors activated and no overwing exits.

True it's an option

dynkrisolo · Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:43 pm

Stitch wrote:
I am pretty sure that ACF is an option for A321neo customers and you can still purchase an A321neo with four Type I doors activated and no overwing exits.

AFAIK, ACF will become standard for A321neo, LR or not, by around 2020. The current configuration will no longer be available. However, airlines do have options to activate or deactivate some of the doors depending on seat density. So, I don't think the previously suggested seat pitch limitations will be an issue.

bspc · Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:47 am

dynkrisolo wrote:
Stitch wrote:
I am pretty sure that ACF is an option for A321neo customers and you can still purchase an A321neo with four Type I doors activated and no overwing exits.

AFAIK, ACF will become standard for A321neo, LR or not, by around 2020. The current configuration will no longer be available. However, airlines do have options to activate or deactivate some of the doors depending on seat density. So, I don't think the previously suggested seat pitch limitations will be an issue.

That is correct. ACF will be the default standard in the A321neo beginning in 2020, with 2 Configurations to choose from.

And just to make sure people aren't confused...the A321neo with ACF is not necessarily the A321LR, even though the current Test Aircraft (MSN 7877) is both.

flee · Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:44 pm

bspc wrote:
And just to make sure people aren't confused...the A321neo with ACF is not necessarily the A321LR, even though the current Test Aircraft (MSN 7877) is both.

Making it a LR is easy - just install the ACTs.

dynkrisolo · Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:58 pm

flee wrote:
Making it a LR is easy - just install the ACTs.

I don't know for sure how Airbus manages the MTOWs for A321neo and A321neoLR. Even if it's paper MTOW change, an airline will likely still need to pay Airbus for increased MTOW, and possibly engine manufacturer for additional thrust. So, it will not be as simple as just installing the ACTs.

Tristarsteve · Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:20 pm

Making it a LR is easy - just install the ACTs.

You can only install ACTs into an airframe that is designed for it. There is a lot of plumbing and water drains and qty probes and vent sytems and tank pressurisation system that has to be fitted before the ACT can be hooked up. This must be installed on production if you want to fit ACTs later.

lightsaber · Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:55 pm

Tristarsteve wrote:
Making it a LR is easy - just install the ACTs.

You can only install ACTs into an airframe that is designed for it. There is a lot of plumbing and water drains and qty probes and vent sytems and tank pressurisation system that has to be fitted before the ACT can be hooked up. This must be installed on production if you want to fit ACTs later.

I would further add the LR required structural changes for that ACT that is being used to launch more efficient production processes. Airbus must reduce the cost of each airframe. No one buys 100+ airframes at the same price as another airline buying say 30. You always find ways to put together an aircraft cheaper with time. The extreamely example is the new E2 production line. If Airbus isn't competitive, Embraer will walk into the 6 across market.

Lightsaber

audidudi · Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:15 pm

The next A320N for Pegasus Airlines was delivered today:

Airbus A320-251N 8198 TC-NBS Pegasus Airlines delivery 27 April 2018 TLS-SAW ex F-WWIB

audidudi · Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:48 am

The next A321N for Volaris was delivered yesterday:

Airbus A321-271N 8087 N535VL Volaris delivery 27 April 2018 XFW-KEF-BGR-MEX ex D-AVYX

audidudi · Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:59 pm

The next A321N for Alaska Airlines was delivered today:

Airbus A321-253N 8120 N926VA Alaska Airlines delivery 28 April 2018 XFW-BGR-MIA “More to Love” cs ex D-AZAA

bspc · Wed May 02, 2018 1:40 pm

A320-251N, Air India, D-AUBE, VT-CIN (MSN 8202) got Delivered today - https://a320archive.com/msn/8202

pushpakvimaan · Wed May 02, 2018 2:03 pm

Any update when Royal Brunei A320s will be delivered ?

SleeplessInZh · Wed May 02, 2018 5:24 pm

Will royal brunei have ife's in their 320neos?

bspc · Wed May 02, 2018 8:06 pm

pushpakvimaan wrote:
Any update when Royal Brunei A320s will be delivered ?

Should be Delivered this month. I believe another Test Flight is coming since it hasn't done its CAF yet - https://a320archive.com/msn/8231

lightsaber · Wed May 02, 2018 10:33 pm

When was the last Pratt delivered?

COMPAVION · Wed May 02, 2018 10:59 pm

lightsaber wrote:
When was the last Pratt delivered?

The next A321N for Volaris was delivered yesterday:

Airbus A321-271N 8087 N535VL Volaris delivery 27 April 2018 XFW-KEF-BGR-MEX ex D-AVYX

audidudi · Wed May 02, 2018 11:35 pm

COMPAVION wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
When was the last Pratt delivered?

The next A321N for Volaris was delivered yesterday:

Airbus A321-271N 8087 N535VL Volaris delivery 27 April 2018 XFW-KEF-BGR-MEX ex D-AVYX

Did you not read my reply #261 above? It was delivered 5 days ago, not yesterday!

COMPAVION · Thu May 03, 2018 1:12 pm

Yes I did. That is why I quoted your reply, date of delivery included. No need for agression, Ingolstad man...(Audi is based there).
Best wishes.
GIE

audidudi · Thu May 03, 2018 1:34 pm

Two more Air India A320N deliveries this week, the first one was yesterday, ans the second one was today:

Airbus A320-251N 8202 VT-CIN Air India delivery 02 May 2018 XFW-DEL ex D-AUBE

Airbus A320-251N 8226 VT-CIO Air India delivery 03 May 2018 XFW-DEL ex D-AUBR

audidudi · Thu May 03, 2018 1:38 pm

The third A321N for Interjet was delivered today:

Airbus A321-251N 8014 XA-RLM InterJet delivery 03-04 May 2018 XFW-KEF-BGR-TLC ex D-AYAM

audidudi · Thu May 03, 2018 1:40 pm

The next A320N for Volaris was delivered today:

Airbus A320-271N 7862 N533VL Volaris delivery 03 May 2018 TLS-KEF-BGR-MEX ex F-WWBM

bspc · Thu May 03, 2018 2:40 pm

A321-271N, China Southern Airlines, D-AVXM, B-8369 (MSN 7548) is back in the air, a year later after its First Flight - https://a320archive.com/msn/7548

lightsaber · Thu May 03, 2018 2:58 pm

COMPAVION wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
When was the last Pratt delivered?

The next A321N for Volaris was delivered yesterday:

Airbus A321-271N 8087 N535VL Volaris delivery 27 April 2018 XFW-KEF-BGR-MEX ex D-AVYX

Thanks.
I remembered wrong which engine they ordered. Oops.

Lightsaber

SleeplessInZh · Thu May 03, 2018 4:45 pm

Next is Philippine Airlines?when is the exact date of delivery.and no new pictures,i hope its undergoing cabin fit by now.

SleeplessInZh · Thu May 03, 2018 4:47 pm

bspc wrote:
A321-271N, China Southern Airlines, D-AVXM, B-8369 (MSN 7548) is back in the air, a year later after its First Flight - https://a320archive.com/msn/7548

1 year 2 months delayed?omg!

VV · Sun May 06, 2018 1:03 pm

According to the latest Airbus orders and deliveries spreadsheet, Airbus delivered fewer A320 family aircraft during the first four months of 2018 than during the same period last year. Most probably there are built aircraft that have not been delivered.

I would like to know how many A320 and A320neo airframes are ready, but cannot be delivered for any reason. Where are they stored?

Does anyone have pictures of the stored aircraft? Thank you.

jean06 · Sun May 06, 2018 1:50 pm

VV wrote:

I would like to know how many A320 and A320neo airframes are ready, but cannot be delivered for any reason. Where are they stored?

According to different sources I have, including A320Archive I estimate the number at around 100.

VV · Mon May 07, 2018 8:20 am

jean06 wrote:
VV wrote:
I would like to know how many A320 and A320neo airframes are ready, but cannot be delivered for any reason. Where are they stored?

According to different sources I have, including A320Archive I estimate the number at around 100.

One hundred seems to be huge. I am pretty sure there is not enough room in Toulouse or in Hamburg for 100 parked aircraft. Maybe the number is lower than 100 because between January 2017 and April 2017 Airbus delivered 143 A320 family and between January 2018 and April 2018 131 have been delivered. The difference is only 12 aircraft.

juliuswong · Mon May 07, 2018 9:15 am

bspc wrote:
pushpakvimaan wrote:
Any update when Royal Brunei A320s will be delivered ?

Should be Delivered this month. I believe another Test Flight is coming since it hasn't done its CAF yet - https://a320archive.com/msn/8231

Those huge CFM engines do make A320neo looks like A319! Seems like Royal Brunei is recycling their registrations, pretty common practice actually. V8-RBA used to their first B757-2M6, delivered back in 1986.

jean06 · Mon May 07, 2018 11:03 am

VV wrote:
jean06 wrote:
VV wrote:
I would like to know how many A320 and A320neo airframes are ready, but cannot be delivered for any reason. Where are they stored?

According to different sources I have, including A320Archive I estimate the number at around 100.

One hundred seems to be huge. I am pretty sure there is not enough room in Toulouse or in Hamburg for 100 parked aircraft. Maybe the number is lower than 100 because between January 2017 and April 2017 Airbus delivered 143 A320 family and between January 2018 and April 2018 131 have been delivered. The difference is only 12 aircraft.

There is enough room at TLS and XFW, they just built more parking space at XFW.
There are some brand new A320 parked at Francazal too.

keesje · Mon May 07, 2018 11:55 am

VV wrote:
According to the latest Airbus orders and deliveries spreadsheet, Airbus delivered fewer A320 family aircraft during the first four months of 2018 than during the same period last year. Most probably there are built aircraft that have not been delivered.

I would like to know how many A320 and A320neo airframes are ready, but cannot be delivered for any reason. Where are they stored?

Does anyone have pictures of the stored aircraft? Thank you.

They must be somewhere.. this one is 4 months old. They can't hide 100!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mathiasdueber/37437116411/

"Airbus takes a hit" now :weeping:

"Record Breaking Deliveries" later this year :bigthumbsup:

and "a drop in deliveries" early 2019 :weeping:

But mix in some free cash flow one liners, relaxing accounting block statements, see what info can be legally left out, pump in some "better then anticipated" from unnamed sources. Investors will switch over investments based on it.

VV · Mon May 07, 2018 2:13 pm

jean06 wrote:
There is enough room at TLS and XFW, they just built more parking space at XFW.
There are some brand new A320 parked at Francazal too.

How did the aircraft reach Francazal? By road?

mjoelnir · Mon May 07, 2018 2:29 pm

VV wrote:
jean06 wrote:
There is enough room at TLS and XFW, they just built more parking space at XFW.
There are some brand new A320 parked at Francazal too.

How did the aircraft reach Francazal? By road?

Many frames have flown, but there are no engines to deliver them. I assume flown to Francazal and than engines removed and used on other frames or to be refurbished.

VV · Mon May 07, 2018 2:38 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
VV wrote:
jean06 wrote:
There is enough room at TLS and XFW, they just built more parking space at XFW.
There are some brand new A320 parked at Francazal too.

How did the aircraft reach Francazal? By road?

Many frames have flown, but there are no engines to deliver them. I assume flown to Francazal and than engines removed and used on other frames or to be refurbished.

That's very interesting.

VV · Mon May 07, 2018 2:39 pm

keesje wrote:
VV wrote:
According to the latest Airbus orders and deliveries spreadsheet, Airbus delivered fewer A320 family aircraft during the first four months of 2018 than during the same period last year. Most probably there are built aircraft that have not been delivered.

I would like to know how many A320 and A320neo airframes are ready, but cannot be delivered for any reason. Where are they stored?

Does anyone have pictures of the stored aircraft? Thank you.

They must be somewhere.. this one is 4 months old. They can't hide 100!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mathiasdueber/37437116411/

"Airbus takes a hit" now "Record Breaking Deliveries" later this year and "a drop in deliveries" early 2019
But mix in some free cash flow one liners, relaxing accounting block statements, see what info can be legally left out, pump in some "better then anticipated" from unnamed sources. Investors will switch over investments based on it.

Are you confused?

audidudi · Mon May 07, 2018 4:20 pm

VV wrote:
jean06 wrote:
There is enough room at TLS and XFW, they just built more parking space at XFW.
There are some brand new A320 parked at Francazal too.

How did the aircraft reach Francazal? By road?

Really? LOL!

VV · Mon May 07, 2018 4:47 pm

audidudi wrote:
VV wrote:
How did the aircraft reach Francazal? By road?

Really? LOL!

I was serious. Francazal is only 20 minute drive from Blagnac. I was puzzled by the comment about A320neo in Francazal. If the issue is engine availability then the aircraft would have not been able to fly.

The explanation given by mjoelnir in comment #286 is very clear. The aircraft flew out to Francazal from Blagnac then the engines are dismounted and sent back to Blagnac for other aircraft.
In the future, they will probably send new engines directly to Francazal and the stored aircraft will be flown out from there for delivery directly or with a stop in Blagnac.

It is a little bit tedious, but there's nothing wrong with it.

BWIAirport · Mon May 07, 2018 5:12 pm

First database photo of an airline livery on the A321 without the L2 door. Going to Turkish Airlines

pugman211 · Mon May 07, 2018 5:46 pm

That's a very good example of the differences between the A321 models now available, soon to be the only option available. EasyJet is the airline with the most in production so far although I don't think they have finished build at the FAL yet.

jean06 · Mon May 07, 2018 6:13 pm

VV wrote:
cannot be delivered for ANY REASON. Where are they stored?

Does anyone have pictures of the stored aircraft?

I can see one China West air (HNA group) obvously they kept their engines.
https://medium.com/toulouse-m%C3%A9trop ... 06b8cb47e5

audidudi · Mon May 07, 2018 7:12 pm

The next A320N for Go Air was delivered today:

Airbus A320-271N 7858 VT-WGN Go Air delivery 07 May 2018 TLS-DEL ex F-WWDG

bspc · Tue May 08, 2018 4:55 pm

VV wrote:
According to the latest Airbus orders and deliveries spreadsheet, Airbus delivered fewer A320 family aircraft during the first four months of 2018 than during the same period last year. Most probably there are built aircraft that have not been delivered.

I would like to know how many A320 and A320neo airframes are ready, but cannot be delivered for any reason. Where are they stored?

Does anyone have pictures of the stored aircraft? Thank you.

Here are a few more recent photos (March 2018) of Frames stored at Hamburg (XFW) - https://www.flickr.com/photos/digro/alb ... 8945711190

VV · Tue May 08, 2018 5:10 pm

Thanks to all.
I think there is no point of continuing the discussion on stored A320neo.

A recent Flightglobal article quotes an Airbus executive, "Wilhelm says he is “pretty sure” that more than 60 aircraft are parked and awaiting engines and he sees that number “increasing a bit, all in all, in the second quarter”."

I guess it means the number is currently between 60 to 80. It is not a disaster if the number does not grow further. This said, it is about two point five billion dollars of inventory.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ns-448408/

SleeplessInZh · Fri May 11, 2018 1:51 am

VV wrote:
Thanks to all.
I think there is no point of continuing the discussion on stored A320neo.

A recent Flightglobal article quotes an Airbus executive, "Wilhelm says he is “pretty sure” that more than 60 aircraft are parked and awaiting engines and he sees that number “increasing a bit, all in all, in the second quarter”."

I guess it means the number is currently between 60 to 80. It is not a disaster if the number does not grow further. This said, it is about two point five billion dollars of inventory.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ns-448408/

Why not?its a part of a320/321neo delivery thread.stored A320...okay.its A320 in the end that belongs here

VV · Fri May 11, 2018 6:37 am

SleeplessInZh wrote:
VV wrote:
Thanks to all.
I think there is no point of continuing the discussion on stored A320neo.

A recent Flightglobal article quotes an Airbus executive, "Wilhelm says he is “pretty sure” that more than 60 aircraft are parked and awaiting engines and he sees that number “increasing a bit, all in all, in the second quarter”."

I guess it means the number is currently between 60 to 80. It is not a disaster if the number does not grow further. This said, it is about two point five billion dollars of inventory.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ns-448408/

Why not?its a part of a320/321neo delivery thread.stored A320...okay.its A320 in the end that belongs here

Because I am satisfied by the responses and I have the information I wanted. Otherwise I do not have any objection if you guys want to continue discussing about it.

cpthuy · Fri May 11, 2018 10:24 am

So anyone knows when VietJet Air 2nd Neo will be out of the factory? Also Vietnam Airlines first 321neo? Appreciate the infos!

keesje · Fri May 11, 2018 10:30 am

bspc wrote:
VV wrote:
According to the latest Airbus orders and deliveries spreadsheet, Airbus delivered fewer A320 family aircraft during the first four months of 2018 than during the same period last year. Most probably there are built aircraft that have not been delivered.

I would like to know how many A320 and A320neo airframes are ready, but cannot be delivered for any reason. Where are they stored?

Does anyone have pictures of the stored aircraft? Thank you.

Here are a few more recent photos (March 2018) of Frames stored at Hamburg (XFW) - https://www.flickr.com/photos/digro/alb ... 8945711190

Wow, impressive. Making a big story more visual. This must be costing a lot of companies a lot a money. Everyone expected the PW1100 powered A321NEO's to impact the market this year everywhere based on their superior specifications. Now they are standing in the sun with all their great brand liveries. If they are targeted for replacing existing aircraft, probably airlines will try keep those flying for a little longer, charging Airbus the missed cost / maintenance / capacity benefits.

For Airbus they can try pass on all compensations to PW. But at the same time they are dependent on them and good partnership and working relations are vital. The PW1100 GTF specifications are a big part of the NEO program success over the last 8 years. You can't hurt a crucial supplier too much... Same difficult situation Boeing had with their supply chain a decade ago.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/digro/40897021551/in/album-72157688945711190/

audidudi · Fri May 11, 2018 2:30 pm

Hawaiian Airlines third A321N was delivered today:

Airbus A321-271N 8092 N205HA Hawaiian Airlines delivery 11 May 2018 XFW-YYR-PAE ex D-AVZA

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