Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Slug71 · Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:02 am

Stitch wrote:
Slug71 wrote:
With the -ULR (and new -900 build standard) expected to be certified by mid year (roughly), what's the chances for a A350 Regional launch at Farnborough?

The A350-900 Regional was just lower Operating Weights and de-rated Trent XWBs. Weight Variants 005, 008, 014 and 017 are all suitable for "regional" operations.

I am not sure Airbus will offer a "regional" version of the A330-900 as the extra weight kind of negates the fuel burn savings on short missions. Airbus does offer a number of sub-200,000kg TOW Weight Variants for the A330-300, all of which are suitable for "regional" operations, as well.

Good point.

At some point the A330ceo will go out of production though, but I suppose one of the lower weight variants of the A350 will be a suitable replacement.

LAX772LR · Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:13 am

A330freak wrote:
MSN211, the first Philippines A350 out of paint.

IINM, this is the first factory-fresh delivery of a 278T bird.

Someone83 · Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:04 am

Seems like SQ's regionals will be 250t

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 18-447149/

The Star Alliance carrier is the launch customer for the lower weight A350-900 variant, which will be certificated to a 250t maximum take-off weight compared to the 278t of the standard A350-900.Its Rolls-Royce Trent XWB engines will be derated to 75,000lb-thrust (334kN), allowing cyclic engine maintenance intervals to be extended, but will otherwise be identical to other A350-900s.

BobMUC · Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:56 pm

MSN202 (LH #9; D-AIXI) with the new/old Lufthansa desgin:

https://twitter.com/A350_Production/sta ... 1771225091

gatibosgru · Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:03 pm

Doesn't look too awful on the A359s

talonone · Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:28 pm

BobMUC wrote:
MSN202 (LH #9; D-AIXI) with the new/old Lufthansa desgin:

https://twitter.com/A350_Production/sta ... 1771225091

Jeezzźz, what a ugly livery. Next time mate they will just stam a sticker. Lower cost

DWC · Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:43 pm

talonone wrote:
BobMUC wrote:
MSN202 (LH #9; D-AIXI) with the new/old Lufthansa desgin:

https://twitter.com/A350_Production/sta ... 1771225091

Jeezzźz, what a ugly livery. Next time mate they will just stam a sticker. Lower cost

Yes, it looks poor, due to the relative smaller surface of the tail fin ( livery looks better on their 748 ).
Fact is the trend for minimalism makes it harder to nail it right, any difference in frame proportions is highlighted.

hkcanadaexpat · Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:57 pm

Activity today:
> MSN 200 (JJ#8) out on a second test flight #AIB02FB
> MSN 202 (LH#9) rolled out to the flightline in full paint
> MSN 205 (ET#9) flew to Hamburg for painting #AIB02GY

Peterwk146 · Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:33 pm

gatibosgru wrote:
Doesn't look too awful on the A359s

Sorry to disagree, but it doesn't look right in my opinion. There's too much white and the little that is not coloured is too small and is the wrong colour. I think that getting rid of the yellow on the fin was a mistake.
If you look at the Air France colours, their aircraft have a lot of white, but they have bright colours on the fin and a little on the fuselage so they don't look too bad IMHO..

itisi · Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:16 am

BobMUC wrote:
MSN202 (LH #9; D-AIXI) with the new/old Lufthansa desgin:

https://twitter.com/A350_Production/sta ... 1771225091

Lovely, very fresh and very professional.

5427247845 · Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:02 am

itisi wrote:
BobMUC wrote:
MSN202 (LH #9; D-AIXI) with the new/old Lufthansa desgin:

https://twitter.com/A350_Production/sta ... 1771225091

Lovely, very fresh and very professional.

That Spiegelei LH used to have on the tailfin is so 1970s....

flee · Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:52 am

LH have taken many steps backwards with this livery.....

JannEejit · Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:38 am

Peterwk146 wrote:
If you look at the Air France colours, their aircraft have a lot of white, but they have bright colours on the fin and a little on the fuselage so they don't look too bad IMHO..

I have looked at many 'eurowhite' liveries recently and concluded that the ones that employ a third colour seem to work best. Air France being a good example. No I don't count Lufthansa's yellow square by the L1 door as a third colour.

patschinger · Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:58 am

Any news, movements, further works at the Chinese Frames ?
-What about M002;003;004 ? Some of them should be sold ? Any potential customers ?

william · Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:43 pm

Peterwk146 wrote:
gatibosgru wrote:
Doesn't look too awful on the A359s

Sorry to disagree, but it doesn't look right in my opinion. There's too much white and the little that is not coloured is too small and is the wrong colour. I think that getting rid of the yellow on the fin was a mistake.
If you look at the Air France colours, their aircraft have a lot of white, but they have bright colours on the fin and a little on the fuselage so they don't look too bad IMHO..

That's why they are called,"Euro White"liveries.

william · Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:45 pm

BobMUC wrote:
MSN202 (LH #9; D-AIXI) with the new/old Lufthansa desgin:

https://twitter.com/A350_Production/sta ... 1771225091

Does this aircraft have the enlarged winglets that will be standard?

ek17 · Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:00 pm

N14AZ wrote:
William wrote:
Does this aircraft have the enlarged winglets that will be standard?

I was asking myself the same question... I tend to think that these are the "old" winglets but I am not yet so familiar to see the difference....

These are the old winglets, the first aircraft to get the new ones is MSN 219 for IB.

You can spot the new winglets as they appear thinner and longer from the side and taller and straighter from the front:

http://leehamnews.com/2017/11/01/new-pi ... lets-a350/

Jayafe · Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:14 pm

N14AZ wrote:
William wrote:
Does this aircraft have the enlarged winglets that will be standard?

I was asking myself the same question... I tend to think that these are the "old" winglets but I am not yet so familiar to see the difference....

IB#1 is supposed to be the 1st delivery with the new winglets (although PR#1 MSN211 is manufactured earlier and delivered later than it, might have them as well)

Slug71 · Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:35 pm

Jayafe wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
William wrote:
Does this aircraft have the enlarged winglets that will be standard?

I was asking myself the same question... I tend to think that these are the "old" winglets but I am not yet so familiar to see the difference....

IB#1 is supposed to be the 1st delivery with the new winglets (although PR#1 MSN211 is manufactured earlier and delivered later than it, might have them as well)

PR#1 is MSN221, NOT 211(that is QR). AFAIK, Airframes from MSN216 (first -ULR) and on will have the new winglets along with the revised wing twist. Will have to wait for MSNs 217, 218, 220 etc to roll out to confirm.

N14AZ · Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:20 pm

@ ek17: thanks very much for the pictures and the explanation. :thumbsup:

hkcanadaexpat · Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:27 pm

MSN 195 (MH#4) completed its first CAF today #AIB04FC

hkcanadaexpat · Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:56 am

MSN 100 (QR#23) departing on another test flight #AIB04FV

redcap1962 · Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:03 am

flee wrote:
LH have taken many steps backwards with this livery.....

All LH-designs from the past were way more elegant and distinctive than this. :wave:

hkcanadaexpat · Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:44 pm

MSN 203 (MH#5) completed its RTO earlier today. First flight scheduled after the Easter holiday.

BOAC1966 · Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:00 am

MSN2 CF enroute TLS-SCL...believe she has cabin fit so demo tour? Has done little flying of late so assume has had some of latest mods. Thought this frame was one that would be sold at some point.

hkcanadaexpat · Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:07 pm

MSN 199 (DL#9) has moved to the delivery centre
MSN 226 (GS#1) has moved out of final assembly

audidudi · Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:55 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
MSN 226 (GS#1) has moved out of final assembly

I have no idea what MSN #/Airline this is supposed to be! MSN 226 is #9 for JJ, and is unlikely to be out of the FAL yet!

Runway28L · Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:47 am

audidudi wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
MSN 226 (GS#1) has moved out of final assembly

I have no idea what MSN #/Airline this is supposed to be! MSN 226 is #9 for JJ, and is unlikely to be out of the FAL yet!

GS is Tianjin Airlines

audidudi · Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:01 am

Runway28L wrote:
audidudi wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
MSN 226 (GS#1) has moved out of final assembly

I have no idea what MSN #/Airline this is supposed to be! MSN 226 is #9 for JJ, and is unlikely to be out of the FAL yet!

GS is Tianjin Airlines

Well unless my eyes are having a senior moment, I certainly can't even see Tianjin Airlines listed anywhere on the spreadsheet below!

https://sites.google.com/site/a350xwbpr ... ction-list

Nor is there any mention of there being any A350s in the pipeline on planespotters.net!

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Tianjin-Airlines

kaukalo · Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:04 am

audidudi wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
audidudi wrote:
I have no idea what MSN #/Airline this is supposed to be! MSN 226 is #9 for JJ, and is unlikely to be out of the FAL yet!

GS is Tianjin Airlines

Well unless my eyes are having a senior moment, I certainly can't even see Tianjin Airlines listed anywhere on the spreadsheet below!

https://sites.google.com/site/a350xwbpr ... ction-list

Nor is there any mention of there being any A350s in the pipeline on planespotters.net!

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Tianjin-Airlines

Tianjin is leasing msn226 from latam, tail and winglets are already painted to Tianjin colors

Runway28L · Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:08 am

audidudi wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
audidudi wrote:
I have no idea what MSN #/Airline this is supposed to be! MSN 226 is #9 for JJ, and is unlikely to be out of the FAL yet!

GS is Tianjin Airlines

Well unless my eyes are having a senior moment, I certainly can't even see Tianjin Airlines listed anywhere on the spreadsheet below!

https://sites.google.com/site/a350xwbpr ... ction-list

Nor is there any mention of there being any A350s in the pipeline on planespotters.net!

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Tianjin-Airlines

The spreadsheet says it's being leased from LATAM (the original customer), which likely explains why you didn't see it.

zkojq · Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:44 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Activity today:
> MSN 192 (VN#11) delivered to @ORY. VN-A896. #17 in 2018

Anyone know why it was delivered to Orly?

A330freak · Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:40 am

BOAC1966 wrote:
MSN2 CF enroute TLS-SCL...believe she has cabin fit so demo tour? Has done little flying of late so assume has had some of latest mods. Thought this frame was one that would be sold at some point.

It's there for the Fidae Airshow
https://twitter.com/AirbusLIVE/status/9 ... 4089217025

zkojq wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Activity today:
> MSN 192 (VN#11) delivered to @ORY. VN-A896. #17 in 2018

Anyone know why it was delivered to Orly?

A special delivery ceremony was held there as the General Secretary of the Communist Party of Vietnam was making an official visit to Paris.

https://twitter.com/Airbus/status/978948979231567872
http://en.nhandan.org.vn/politics/item/ ... rance.html

kaukalo wrote:
audidudi wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
GS is Tianjin Airlines

Well unless my eyes are having a senior moment, I certainly can't even see Tianjin Airlines listed anywhere on the spreadsheet below!

https://sites.google.com/site/a350xwbpr ... ction-list

Nor is there any mention of there being any A350s in the pipeline on planespotters.net!

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Tianjin-Airlines

Tianjin is leasing msn226 from latam, tail and winglets are already painted to Tianjin colors

Here are the pictures, also visible is MSN218, the 6th A350 for Asiana

Tianjin Airlines A350 by RomainC82, on Flickr

BobMUC · Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:02 pm

Current activities:

FF for MSN 203; MH #5; future 9M-MAF:
https://www.flightradar24.com/AIB01FS/10eaf136

Second test flight for MSN 201; TG #12; HS-THN
https://www.flightradar24.com/AIB02GE/10eb38e3

zkojq · Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:04 pm

Airbus has certified an automated emergency descent system (in the event of a depressurisation) on the A350-1000.

https://twitter.com/Airbus/status/978912520831406080

hkcanadaexpat · Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:39 pm

MSN 198 (OZ#5) and MSN 197 (VN#12) both moved to the delivery centre earlier today.
Also MSN 216 (SQ-ULR#1) was pinging on the flightline this evening for the first time.

hkcanadaexpat · Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:03 am

MSN 198 (OZ#5) currently out on its first CAF #AIB05FF

patschinger · Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:53 am

Dear folks

Again the question. Any movements or action with the Chinese Frames ? Any idea who probably could pick up the MSN 002 - 004 ?

Slash787 · Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:53 pm

Any idea when is the EIS of the Cathay A35K?

hkcanadaexpat · Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:53 pm

MSN 195 (MH#4) was out on a second CAF earlier today #AIB05FC.
MSN 143 (QR#23) moved to the delivery centre.

A flurry of deliveries should occur in the next 10 or so days. MSNs 143, 195, 196, 197, 198 and 199 are going through customer acceptance right now.

Geoff1947 · Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:41 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
MSN 195 (MH#4) was out on a second CAF earlier today #AIB05FC.
MSN 143 (QR#23) moved to the delivery centre.

A flurry of deliveries should occur in the next 10 or so days. MSNs 143, 195, 196, 197, 198 and 199 are going through customer acceptance right now.

Many thanks for these daily summaries. Very useful.

Geoff

hkcanadaexpat · Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:30 am

A number of flights this morning:
MSN 197 (VN#12) first CAF #AIB03FN
MSN 199 (DL#9) first CAF #AIB03FH
MSN 200 (JJ#8) third test flight #AIB03FB

hkcanadaexpat · Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:12 pm

MSN 195 (MH#4) sporting its final regs 9M-MAE. Delivery imminent.

BOAC1966 · Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:34 pm

MSN02 returns from SCL. Seems static presence ...long way and expensive few days away!

Slug71 · Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:33 am

patschinger wrote:
Dear folks

Again the question. Any movements or action with the Chinese Frames ? Any idea who probably could pick up the MSN 002 - 004 ?

Nothing has been reported as of late on the Chinese frames. I think MSN-002 is being used for airshows and MSN-003 might still be used for maintenance training. I also think MSN-004 is currently in storage. Not sure if its awaiting a buyer or headed to museum.

UAEflyer · Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:55 am

Is there a A350CJ in the pipeline? For who ?

hkcanadaexpat · Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:10 am

MSN 100 (QR#24) moved to the delivery centre this morning.
MSN 212 (LH#11) moved out to the flightline. looks like its unpainted. tbc.

Geoff1947 · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:43 am

UAEflyer wrote:
Is there a A350CJ in the pipeline? For who ?

Yes, there is one in the Airbus orderbook. Don’t know who ordered it or when it will be built.

Geoff

hkcanadaexpat · Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:05 am

A couple of flights this morning:
MSN 199 (DL#9) departing on a second CAF #AIB04FH
MSN 208 (CI#13) departing on its first flight #AIB01NF

hkcanadaexpat · Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:36 pm

MSN 195 (MH#4) departed on its delivery flight this evening (9M-MAE)
MSN 202 (LH#9) initial engine run earlier today

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