Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread 2018

BOAC1966 · Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:40 am

MSN1 returning home mid afternoon from KUL after short runway trials in NZ

hkcanadaexpat · Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:41 am

MSN 188 (CX#24) currently undergoing initial engine run

BOAC1966 · Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:31 am

Not much action these days with SQ ULH NY ......is it having mods ....cabin fit ...ot still in certification process? After very active start to programme pretty quiet of recent weeks.

Also -1000s appear inactive although thought CX and QR both due to receive deliveries soon.

A lot of current test flying at TLS seems to be 330neo related

Theseus · Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:04 am

One CX -1000 is at the delivery center, and seems to have done at least one CAF, so delivery should not be too far.
One QR -1000 has done two flights already.

ap305 · Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:13 am

And SQ ULR is painted now...

LAX772LR · Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:22 am

juliuswong wrote:
SQ317 wrote:
That's odd, everything else I've seen points to 280t non-ULR not being available until 2020

Yes, this is soemhow a surprise. Airbus has previously mentioned it is only avaialbe from 2020 onwards.

No official source from IB nor Airbus seems to list it at that, appears to only be a Leeham article.... find it hard to imagine that Airbus would stay silent about a multi-ton MTOW increase being available for the standard model two years earlier than promised.

juliuswong wrote:
I guess Iberia has requested for it to be brought forward so that they can use it for JFK and South America routes.

Why on Earth would they need it though? Those are routes that a 767 can mostly do.

ap305 · Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:27 am

The Iberia birds are 275t which is not even the max available presently. This was confirmed in a briefing a few months back. They however have the all the required mods that enable 280t at a later date.

StTim · Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:28 am

ap305 wrote:
And SQ ULR is painted now...

That would explain a good period of time where it is not test flying. I presume they have removed a lot (all?) of the additional external sensors before prepping for paint.

MrHMSH · Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:33 am

LAX772LR wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
SQ317 wrote:
That's odd, everything else I've seen points to 280t non-ULR not being available until 2020

Yes, this is soemhow a surprise. Airbus has previously mentioned it is only avaialbe from 2020 onwards.

No official source from IB nor Airbus seems to list it at that, appears to only be a Leeham article.... find it hard to imagine that Airbus would stay silent about a multi-ton MTOW increase being available for the standard model two years earlier than promised.

juliuswong wrote:
I guess Iberia has requested for it to be brought forward so that they can use it for JFK and South America routes.

Why on Earth would they need it though? Those are routes that a 767 can mostly do.

N. America probably doesn't need the higher weight variants, but Latin/S. America definitely does, not for the distance necessarily but for the cargo and occasional performance requirements while flying quite far.

BOAC1966 · Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:37 am

SQ ULH on FR so pushback from paint today?

ap305 · Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:57 am

StTim wrote:
ap305 wrote:
And SQ ULR is painted now...

That would explain a good period of time where it is not test flying. I presume they have removed a lot (all?) of the additional external sensors before prepping for paint.

I suspect that initial testing for certification and performance is now done- SQ announcing the schedule is a hint that spec will be met(perhaps exceeded based on what Zeke has hinted).

itisi · Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:09 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
MSN 188 (CX#24) currently undergoing initial engine run

Are they taking LXC before LXB?

juliuswong · Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:29 pm

......The Iberia Airline is the first to receive, Airbus’s improved 280t version of the A350-900. The newer version has new higher winglets which allowed Airbus to achieve a range of 8,200nm when flying with a 3-class cabin of 325 passengers.

The Iberia’s parent company, IAG, ordered 16 A350-900s for Iberia and 18 A350-1000s for British Airways

http://newsinflight.com/2018/05/10/iber ... aint-shop/

Not sure if this is reliable. Seems decent

mjoelnir · Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:44 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
SQ317 wrote:
That's odd, everything else I've seen points to 280t non-ULR not being available until 2020

Yes, this is soemhow a surprise. Airbus has previously mentioned it is only avaialbe from 2020 onwards.

No official source from IB nor Airbus seems to list it at that, appears to only be a Leeham article.... find it hard to imagine that Airbus would stay silent about a multi-ton MTOW increase being available for the standard model two years earlier than promised.

juliuswong wrote:
I guess Iberia has requested for it to be brought forward so that they can use it for JFK and South America routes.

Why on Earth would they need it though? Those are routes that a 767 can mostly do.

The A350-900 ULR has been test flown, I expect it not being an unreasonable decision for Airbus to move all produced frames to the new standard. If all the modifications come out as planed, we have an engine pip regarding fuel burn, the higher winglets, the new wing twist, further aerodynamic cleanup and a lighter frame.
Without talking about the 280 t, all the above changes should bring a up to 5 % better fuel burn compared to the first A350-900, so why wait to 2020 to introduce the changes.

ap305 · Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:47 pm

That newsflight article is just wrong information that keeps being cycled by some of these internet outlets. This article clearly details what was stated by Iberia in a briefing-

http://fly-news.es/aviacion-comercial/a ... rbus-a350/

275t mtow (ready for 280)
revised wing twist
Lighter wing with one crfp layup reduced
revised fairing
bigger winglets
revised bilge (same as -1000 i guess)
revised window frames
beefed up landing gear( to eventually take the higher weigh)

Tedd · Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:54 pm

So is the RR-XWB-84 engine pip ready or will it be 2019 as first announced?

mjoelnir · Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:30 pm

ap305 wrote:
That newsflight article is just wrong information that keeps being cycled by some of these internet outlets. This article clearly details what was stated by Iberia in a briefing-

http://fly-news.es/aviacion-comercial/a ... rbus-a350/

275t mtow (ready for 280)
revised wing twist
Lighter wing with one crfp layup reduced
revised fairing
bigger winglets
revised bilge (same as -1000 i guess)
revised window frames
beefed up landing gear( to eventually take the higher weigh)

If it is capable of 280 t and can be certified as that, but sold as a 275 t, that is a paper derate of a 280 t frame.

ap305 · Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:39 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
ap305 wrote:
That newsflight article is just wrong information that keeps being cycled by some of these internet outlets. This article clearly details what was stated by Iberia in a briefing-

http://fly-news.es/aviacion-comercial/a ... rbus-a350/

275t mtow (ready for 280)
revised wing twist
Lighter wing with one crfp layup reduced
revised fairing
bigger winglets
revised bilge (same as -1000 i guess)
revised window frames
beefed up landing gear( to eventually take the higher weigh)

If it is capable of 280 t and can be certified as that, but sold as a 275 t, that is a paper derate of a 280 t frame.

Till Airbus certifies the 280t variant for the non ulr (announced for 2020) it is not a paper derate of a 280t frame. Paper derate of the 278t? yes. The production block starting from the IB frame is ready for 280t when it arrives.

Jayafe · Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:53 pm

ap305 wrote:
...The production block starting from the IB frame is ready for 280t when it arrives.

Which makes it a not-yet-certified 280t variant, so paper aside it's indeed a 280t bird waiting for authorization for usage, ergo a 280t bird.

Stitch · Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:55 pm

ap305 wrote:
Till Airbus certifies the 280t variant for the non ulr (announced for 2020) it is not a paper derate of a 280t frame. Paper derate of the 278t? yes. The production block starting from the IB frame is ready for 280t when it arrives.

The latest update to the Airbus A350-900 ACAP added two Weight Variants (WV010 and WV013) rated for a 280,000kg MTOW.

ap305 · Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:06 pm

Stitch wrote:
ap305 wrote:
Till Airbus certifies the 280t variant for the non ulr (announced for 2020) it is not a paper derate of a 280t frame. Paper derate of the 278t? yes. The production block starting from the IB frame is ready for 280t when it arrives.

The latest update to the Airbus A350-900 ACAP added two Weight Variants (WV010 and WV013) rated for a 280,000kg MTOW.

Not showing yet in the Easa Tcds and Airbus was quite clear that it will be 2020 for the introduction. Plans change of course but no confirmation of that.

mjoelnir · Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:32 pm

ap305 wrote:
Stitch wrote:
ap305 wrote:
Till Airbus certifies the 280t variant for the non ulr (announced for 2020) it is not a paper derate of a 280t frame. Paper derate of the 278t? yes. The production block starting from the IB frame is ready for 280t when it arrives.

The latest update to the Airbus A350-900 ACAP added two Weight Variants (WV010 and WV013) rated for a 280,000kg MTOW.

Not showing yet in the Easa Tcds and Airbus was quite clear that it will be 2020 for the introduction. Plans change of course but no confirmation of that.

The 280 t will be certified, by the time the first Singapore A350-900ULR will be delivered. I make you a bet, that the normal frame 280 t will be certified at the same time.

Balerit · Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:35 pm

Any idea which frame will be #200 delivered?

hkcanadaexpat · Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:25 pm

Balerit wrote:
Any idea which frame will be #200 delivered?

early days mate. its likely going to be a September delivery.

LAX772LR · Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:45 am

mjoelnir wrote:
The 280 t will be certified, by the time the first Singapore A350-900ULR will be delivered. I make you a bet, that the normal frame 280 t will be certified at the same time.

Possibly, but until that time, with at least SOME official documentation, it's still jumping the gun to say that anyone other than SQ is going to be opping 280T capable birds.

But again, kudos to them if they can bring something to market two years earlier than promised; particularly on an aircraft that was *already* so damn amazing in its own right.

hkcanadaexpat · Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:29 am

MSN 208 (CI#13) is now sporting its final regs (B-18917). Delivery next week
MSN 218 (OZ#6) undergoing its RTO this morning

hkcanadaexpat · Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:14 pm

MSN 114 (QR#26) was moved to the delivery centre Friday evening.

hkcanadaexpat · Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:12 pm

MSN 212 (LH#11) moved to the delivery centre lunchtime today
MSN 218 (OZ#6) preparing to depart on maiden flight #AIB01FQ

BobMUC · Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:38 pm

DL #11, MSN210 online with it's final registation: N511DN
https://www.flightradar24.com/N511DN/11b0b262

CX #23 MSN118, A350-1041 had another test flight (2nd CAF?):
https://www.flightradar24.com/AIB05GV/11b065c0

hkcanadaexpat · Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:10 pm

MSN 126 (QR#28) initial engine run
MSN 208 (CI#11) on its delivery flight to TPE. Delivery #33 of 2018. #1 in June
MSN 212 (LH#11) completed its first CAF #AIB05NN
MSN 213 (MH#6) completed another test flight #AIB03GT
MSN 216 (SQ) completed another test flight #AIB11NY
MSN 250 (JJ#9) rolled out of the FAL to Station 18

Slicutium · Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:55 am

Does anyone know a more up to date production list?
The one I was looking at before doesn’t seem to be updated anymore

https://sites.google.com/site/a350xwbpr ... ction-list

AsiaTravel · Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:09 am

Slicutium wrote:
Does anyone know a more up to date production list?
The one I was looking at before doesn’t seem to be updated anymore
https://sites.google.com/site/a350xwbpr ... ction-list

This one is actually updated pretty consistently

BOAC1966 · Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:28 am

Will SQ ULH -900 undertake an extended flight ahead of delivery. I cannot recall any of the standard airframes doing any and on EIS they undetook commercial flights much greater than test frames. Is it just a case of extrapolation of data from flights of shorter duration and having confidence sub systems unlikely to generate problems? No doubt SQ A340 flights to EWR highlighted where any issues could arise.

ap305 · Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:00 am

http://www.airbus.com/content/dam/corpo ... 0-1000.pdf

The acap is updated with loads of new info....

ap305 · Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:12 am

ap305 wrote:
http://www.airbus.com/content/dam/corporate-topics/publications/backgrounders/techdata/aircraft_characteristics/Airbus-Commercial-Aircraft-AC-A350-900-1000.pdf

The acap is updated with loads of new info....

The forward cargo hold on the ulr will not be active. I think this is what the SQ CEO meant by cargo restrictions which the media might have misunderstood as payload restrictions.

N14AZ · Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:51 am

Question: whose first A350 will be rolled out next? BA?

kaukalo · Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:55 am

N14AZ wrote:
Question: whose first A350 will be rolled out next? BA?

China easten/Virgin atlantic should be next

N14AZ · Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:02 pm

kaukalo wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
Question: whose first A350 will be rolled out next? BA?

China easten/Virgin atlantic should be next

Thanks! Great, can't wait to see the first Virgin A350. China Eastern? I can definitely wait....

BobMUC · Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:54 pm

BOAC1966 wrote:
Will SQ ULH -900 undertake an extended flight ahead of delivery. I cannot recall any of the standard airframes doing any and on EIS they undetook commercial flights much greater than test frames. Is it just a case of extrapolation of data from flights of shorter duration and having confidence sub systems unlikely to generate problems? No doubt SQ A340 flights to EWR highlighted where any issues could arise.

Probably yes! At least they are doing one circle after another over the Atlantic today:
https://www.flightradar24.com/AIB12NY/11b569f7

Let's wait and see how long!

BobMUC · Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:24 pm

Ok, not today... just landed after approx. 7 1/2h flight time.

Polot · Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:26 pm

ap305 wrote:
ap305 wrote:
http://www.airbus.com/content/dam/corporate-topics/publications/backgrounders/techdata/aircraft_characteristics/Airbus-Commercial-Aircraft-AC-A350-900-1000.pdf

The acap is updated with loads of new info....

The forward cargo hold on the ulr will not be active. I think this is what the SQ CEO meant by cargo restrictions which the media might have misunderstood as payload restrictions.

It is basically the same thing. If you can’t use the forward cargo hold you are therefore restricting possible payload assuming you are keeping your average cargo density the same. We also now know the number of seats Airbus is using for the ULR- 173.

JerseyFlyer · Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:50 pm

Polot wrote:

The forward cargo hold on the ulr will not be active. I think this is what the SQ CEO meant by cargo restrictions which the media might have misunderstood as payload restrictions.
It is basically the same thing. If you can’t use the forward cargo hold you are therefore restricting possible payload assuming you are keeping your average cargo density the same.

True, though nobody would expect fuel-expensive ULH flights to take cargo in addition to pax and their luggage.

77H · Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:23 pm

JerseyFlyer wrote:
Polot wrote:

The forward cargo hold on the ulr will not be active. I think this is what the SQ CEO meant by cargo restrictions which the media might have misunderstood as payload restrictions.
It is basically the same thing. If you can’t use the forward cargo hold you are therefore restricting possible payload assuming you are keeping your average cargo density the same.

True, though nobody would expect fuel-expensive ULH flights to take cargo in addition to pax and their luggage.

Many ULH flights take cargo, albeit small amounts. Nonstops equal reduced time to market among other things. On payload restricted flights like ULH, airlines can charge a further premium with simple supply and demand economics. Revenue from cargo usually far exceeds the cost of extra fuel to carry it. Otherwise no one would offer the service.

77H

BobMUC · Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:11 pm

CX 1st A350-1000 (MSN 118, B-LXA, ex F-WZGV, CX #23) is online with it's final registration.
So transfer of ownership maybe already done or imminent and delivery should follow in the next days.
https://www.flightradar24.com/CPA118/11b84805

Peterwk146 · Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:11 pm

ap305 wrote:
http://www.airbus.com/content/dam/corporate-topics/publications/backgrounders/techdata/aircraft_characteristics/Airbus-Commercial-Aircraft-AC-A350-900-1000.pdf

The acap is updated with loads of new info....

The front page states:
"The content of this document is the property of Airbus.
It is supplied in confidence and commercial security on its contents must be maintained.
It must not be used for any purpose other than that for which it is supplied, nor may information contained in it be disclosed to unauthorized persons.
It must not be reproduced in whole or in part without permission in writing from the owners of the copyright. Requests for reproduction of any data in this document and the media authorized
for it must be addressed to Airbus.
© AIRBUS S.A.S. 2005. All rights reserved."

Presumably you gained permission from Airbus to post this document on this forum?

Polot · Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:21 pm

Peterwk146 wrote:
ap305 wrote:
http://www.airbus.com/content/dam/corporate-topics/publications/backgrounders/techdata/aircraft_characteristics/Airbus-Commercial-Aircraft-AC-A350-900-1000.pdf

The acap is updated with loads of new info....

The front page states:
"The content of this document is the property of Airbus.
It is supplied in confidence and commercial security on its contents must be maintained.
It must not be used for any purpose other than that for which it is supplied, nor may information contained in it be disclosed to unauthorized persons.
It must not be reproduced in whole or in part without permission in writing from the owners of the copyright. Requests for reproduction of any data in this document and the media authorized
for it must be addressed to Airbus.
© AIRBUS S.A.S. 2005. All rights reserved."

Presumably you gained permission from Airbus to post this document on this forum?

Airbus freely distrubutes ACAPs, including the one ap305 supplied, to the public: http://www.airbus.com/aircraft/support- ... stics.html

He just cut out the middle man and linked directly to the document and not the website linking to the document. Linking to a document is not reproducing it, and we are authorized to see it or else Airbus wouldn’t put it on their public website. If it was a mistake Airbus will pull it and the link will be broken. That is no doubt just a standard message approved by lawyers that Airbus puts on all their documents, including the ones we don’t have access too and as members of the public are not authorized to see.

hkcanadaexpat · Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:27 pm

BobMUC wrote:
CX 1st A350-1000 (MSN 118, B-LXA, ex F-WZGV, CX #23) is online with it's final registration. So transfer of ownership maybe already done or imminent and delivery should follow in the next days.

MSN 118 isn't scheduled to be delivered until next week. A big media event is being organised for 6/18 & 6/19.

MSN 126 (QR#28) completed its RTO. First flight scheduled for Thursday
MSN 219 (IB#1) has been moved to the delivery centre

ap305 · Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:43 pm

Polot wrote:
Peterwk146 wrote:
ap305 wrote:
http://www.airbus.com/content/dam/corporate-topics/publications/backgrounders/techdata/aircraft_characteristics/Airbus-Commercial-Aircraft-AC-A350-900-1000.pdf

The acap is updated with loads of new info....

The front page states:
"The content of this document is the property of Airbus.
It is supplied in confidence and commercial security on its contents must be maintained.
It must not be used for any purpose other than that for which it is supplied, nor may information contained in it be disclosed to unauthorized persons.
It must not be reproduced in whole or in part without permission in writing from the owners of the copyright. Requests for reproduction of any data in this document and the media authorized
for it must be addressed to Airbus.
© AIRBUS S.A.S. 2005. All rights reserved."

Presumably you gained permission from Airbus to post this document on this forum?

Airbus freely distrubutes ACAPs, including the one ap305 supplied, to the public: http://www.airbus.com/aircraft/support- ... stics.html

He just cut out the middle man and linked directly to the document and not the website linking to the document. Linking to a document is not reproducing it, and we are authorized to see it or else Airbus wouldn’t put it on their public website. If it was a mistake Airbus will pull it and the link will be broken. That is no doubt just a standard message approved by lawyers that Airbus puts on all their documents, including the ones we don’t have access too and as members of the public are not authorized to see.

As polot points out, I have only posted the link to the forum not the document itself which is hosted publicly on the Airbus site. If the mods have a issue with it they can delete my post.

itisi · Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:21 am

BobMUC wrote:
CX 1st A350-1000 (MSN 118, B-LXA, ex F-WZGV, CX #23) is online with it's final registration.
So transfer of ownership maybe already done or imminent and delivery should follow in the next days.
https://www.flightradar24.com/CPA118/11b84805

Due to leave on the 19th. B-LXC in July and B-LXB in August.

Sayan777 · Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:02 am

Is there any chance of Qatar flying A350 to LAX.

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