Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Erebus · Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:54 pm

juliuswong wrote:
Wow, it seems like SQ will receive their 7 ULR successively pretty quickly.

Well, it's going to be a niche role that cannot be substituted by other types in their fleet. So it would make sense to have enough ULR aircraft on hand to minimise any potential schedule disruptions due to an aircraft becoming unavailable for some sudden reason.

hkcanadaexpat · Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:59 pm

MSN 125 (QR#32) out on another test flight #AIB03GK
MSN 206 (CX#26) new RTO - change of engine?
MSN 236 (PR#3) sporting its final regs (RP-C3504) - delivery imminent

qf789 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:49 am

Philippine A359 RP-C3504 and Air China A359 B-1083 parked at the delivery center

https://twitter.com/Frenchpainter/statu ... 3247668224

LAX772LR · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:09 am

Polot wrote:
Kikko19 wrote:
If the ULR will prove performing well might receive more orders. And maybe we can see a A350 1100.

The ULR is a very niche plane, I would not expect many more orders for it (which is ok since it was cheap, SQ’s planes probably paid for all ULR unique development on it).

I wouldn't be surprised to see SQ remain the sole non-ACJ customer for the A359ULR. After it dropped out of contention for QF's RFP, there doesn't appear to be any airline actually interested in it...

...which is no real surprise, considering that (1) there's few routes that a standard A359 can't fly effectively, and (2) of such routes, even fewer would generate the business demand to justify the high cost of such a low-density aircraft as the current -ULR needs to be.

hkcanadaexpat · Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:55 am

MSN 220 (SQ#22 - first ULR) out on its first CAF this morning #AIB05FZ

Devilfish · Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:19 pm

qf789 wrote:
Philippine A359 RP-C3504 and Air China A359 B-1083 parked at the delivery center

I guess delivery to PR is now possible as the typhoon has passed and would just have to await for the stranded planes to leave MNL...and delayed incoming flights become manageable.

kaitak · Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:31 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Polot wrote:
Kikko19 wrote:
. After it dropped out of contention for QF's RFP, there doesn't appear to be any airline actually interested in it...

Didn't know that; is Airbus not entering this race at all, in which case can we take it that the 778X has it "in the bag" as far as Qantas is concerned?

Polot · Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:34 pm

kaitak wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Polot wrote:

Didn't know that; is Airbus not entering this race at all, in which case can we take it that the 778X has it "in the bag" as far as Qantas is concerned?

Airbus is in the running, but proposing a modified -1000 ULR or a ULH -900 more akin to the original -900R (basically a -1000 shrink), Iirc QF is looking more towards a -1000 derivative (from Airbus, not in the RFP in general). The -900ULR does not have the payload capability that QF desires.

Eyad89 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:44 pm

IB got the first version of the modified winglet for the A359, does that mean all other deliveries will get that automatically as well?

StTim · Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:41 pm

Eyad89 wrote:
IB got the first version of the modified winglet for the A359, does that mean all other deliveries will get that automatically as well?

Depends if it becomes the standard. I suspect it will but that they will only be on wings with the revised wing twist.

LAX772LR · Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:49 pm

Polot wrote:
kaitak wrote:
Didn't know that; is Airbus not entering this race at all, in which case can we take it that the 778X has it "in the bag" as far as Qantas is concerned?

Airbus is in the running, but proposing a modified -1000 ULR or a ULH -900 more akin to the original -900R (basically a -1000 shrink)

As much as I would love to see the original A359R (hello new favorite aircraft!) be in the running.... there's no public information that it's part of the QF proposal.

Granted, anything could be being discussed behind closed doors, but from anything thus far leaked or suggested by media, Airbus' offering has moved beyond the -900 frame and to what's essentially an A350-1000 with increased MTOW plus the -ULR systems modifications.

Eyad89 wrote:
IB got the first version of the modified winglet for the A359, does that mean all other deliveries will get that automatically as well?

The new winglets came alongside the new wing-twist and the 280T weight availability for non-ULR frames (delivered two years before promise!) along with several other features (e.g. lighter door frames, etc) as well.

Airbus has said that subsequent operators will now be getting all of the above (weight of course is optional).

SQ22 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:16 pm

Please note that this is the production and delivery thread, so please stay on topic.

Sales prospects of A359 ULR et al is off topic, feel free to open a new thread in case you want to discuss it further.

Sayan777 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:44 am

When is the first A35K for Etihad going into production.

hkcanadaexpat · Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:03 am

MSN 112 (JD#2) "initial" engine run (a first engine run was completed 12/1/17 pre-storage)
MSN 217 (CA#3) departing shortly on another CAF #AIB08NU

hkcanadaexpat · Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:08 am

Sayan777 wrote:
When is the first A35K for Etihad going into production.

Etihad's first A35K is still listed as MSN 290 as far as my info goes. With MSN 275 currently in FAL, it should enter FAL well before year-end assuming (1) it is built in MSN order (not all of them are at Airbus - unlike at Boeing) and (2) Etihad hasn't had a change of heart on this order as some rumours may have suggested.

Geoff1947 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:05 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Sayan777 wrote:
When is the first A35K for Etihad going into production.

Etihad's first A35K is still listed as MSN 290 as far as my info goes. With MSN 275 currently in FAL, it should enter FAL well before year-end assuming (1) it is built in MSN order (not all of them are at Airbus - unlike at Boeing) and (2) Etihad hasn't had a change of heart on this order as some rumours may have suggested.

Do you know which airline is due to get MSN275 ? Not currently shown on this spreadsheet

http://www.a350-production.com/production-list

Geoff

sadiqutp · Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:25 am

Geoff1947 wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Sayan777 wrote:
When is the first A35K for Etihad going into production.

Etihad's first A35K is still listed as MSN 290 as far as my info goes. With MSN 275 currently in FAL, it should enter FAL well before year-end assuming (1) it is built in MSN order (not all of them are at Airbus - unlike at Boeing) and (2) Etihad hasn't had a change of heart on this order as some rumours may have suggested.

Do you know which airline is due to get MSN275 ? Not currently shown on this spreadsheet

http://www.a350-production.com/production-list

Geoff

I believe it's one of AA's cancelled frames.

Geoff1947 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:51 am

sadiqutp wrote:
Geoff1947 wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Etihad's first A35K is still listed as MSN 290 as far as my info goes. With MSN 275 currently in FAL, it should enter FAL well before year-end assuming (1) it is built in MSN order (not all of them are at Airbus - unlike at Boeing) and (2) Etihad hasn't had a change of heart on this order as some rumours may have suggested.

Do you know which airline is due to get MSN275 ? Not currently shown on this spreadsheet

http://www.a350-production.com/production-list

Geoff

I believe it's one of AA's cancelled frames.

Unlikely to be in FAL then !!

Geoff

StTim · Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:58 am

But I do think 279 is in the FAL

JerseyFlyer · Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:46 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Delta's next 359 (MSN 267) has rolled out of FAL. Q1/2019 delivery.

Will this be built to the latest "IB" standard?

audidudi · Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:33 pm

StTim wrote:
But I do think 279 is in the FAL

Confirmed.

audidudi · Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:24 pm

The third A350 for Philippine Airlines was delivered today. #3 in September...#54 in 2018.

Airbus A350-941 236 RP-C3504 Philippine Airlines delivery 17 Sept 18 TLS-MNL ex F-WZHF

Sayan777 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:58 pm

The production list does not properly show which MSN are in FAL.Its very hard to get a proper picture from that list
https://sites.google.com/site/a350xwbpr ... n-list.How do we know which MSN are in FAL.

StTim · Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:01 pm

[twoid][/twoid]

Sayan777 wrote:
The production list does not properly show which MSN are in FAL.Its very hard to get a proper picture from that list
https://sites.google.com/site/a350xwbpr ... n-list.How do we know which MSN are in FAL.

I suspect that the spreadsheet does not get all frames going into the FAL and definitely not all where the parts are arriving.

What is much better is when they leave the FAL.

Having said that if the owner logs a frame as being in the FAL I think we can assume a high level of confidence in that status.

Remember this is not an Airbus spreadsheet - It is done by people in their spare time.

Lilienthal · Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:02 pm

What's going on with the 3rd 35K? Production list says they're doing rework and it's going to Virgin but without a delivery date. Further down they marked another 35K as "VS#1". Is the list not up to date on that one, or are the needed rework so extensive that this frame has to spend another year at TSL?

StTim · Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:07 pm

Lilienthal wrote:
What's going on with the 3rd 35K? Production list says they're doing rework and it's going to Virgin but without a delivery date. Further down they marked another 35K as "VS#1". Is the list not up to date on that one, or are the needed rework so extensive that this frame has to spend another year at TSL?

These are the second and third test frames which will require substantial rework before they can become customer frames.

Sayan777 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:08 pm

StTim wrote:
[twoid][/twoid]
Sayan777 wrote:
The production list does not properly show which MSN are in FAL.Its very hard to get a proper picture from that list
https://sites.google.com/site/a350xwbpr ... n-list.How do we know which MSN are in FAL.

I suspect that the spreadsheet does not get all frames going into the FAL and definitely not all where the parts are arriving.

What is much better is when they leave the FAL.

Having said that if the owner logs a frame as being in the FAL I think we can assume a high level of confidence in that status.

Remember this is not an Airbus spreadsheet - It is done by people in their spare time.

A very valid point. But i would just like to know till which MSN is in FAL. That will satisfy all my queries.

audidudi · Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:20 pm

StTim wrote:
Lilienthal wrote:
What's going on with the 3rd 35K? Production list says they're doing rework and it's going to Virgin but without a delivery date. Further down they marked another 35K as "VS#1". Is the list not up to date on that one, or are the needed rework so extensive that this frame has to spend another year at TSL?

These are the second and third test frames which will require substantial rework before they can become customer frames.

The second test frame, MSN #65, is going to French Bee (BF), and the third, MSN #71 is going to VS. The first brand new frame for VS is MSN #274. The above reply is slightly misleading as it possibly suggests that the second and third test frames are going to VS.

Lilienthal · Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:50 pm

StTim wrote:
These are the second and third test frames .

aaaaah, of course... totally forgot about that.

hkcanadaexpat · Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:17 pm

Geoff1947 wrote:
Do you know which airline is due to get MSN275 ?Geoff

My information shows it is a QR frame (359).

hkcanadaexpat · Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:34 pm

MSN 125 (QR#32) out on another test flight #AIB04GK
MSN 206 (CX#26) second test flight #AIB02NI
MSN 220 (SQ#22) new engine run
MSN 223 (SQ#23) out on another test flight #AIB05HE
MSN 236 (PR#3) on its way home as PAL5003. #3 in September. #54 in 2018. #196 total

hkcanadaexpat · Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:37 pm

StTim wrote:
What is much better is when they leave the FAL.

The latest two i have leaving the FAL (as of last week) were MSN 265 (JJ) and MSN 267 (DL).

Geoff1947 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:05 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Geoff1947 wrote:
Do you know which airline is due to get MSN275 ?Geoff

My information shows it is a QR frame (359).

Thanks you’re a star hkcanadaexpat.

Geoff

juliuswong · Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:15 am

Polot wrote:
Kikko19 wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
Thanks hkcanadaexpat for the updates. Wow, it seems like SQ will receive their 7 ULR successively pretty quickly.

Also VS taking ex-prototype for A350-1000? I haven't heard of this. Sorry, been away for some time from this thread.

Good move for A. If the ULR will prove performing well might receive more orders. And maybe we can see a A350 1100.

The ULR is a very niche plane, I would not expect many more orders for it (which is ok since it was cheap, SQ’s planes probably paid for all ULR unique development on it).

Yes, ULR aircraft are very niche, therefore we might not be able to see floods of order coming in. A345/B772LR falls into same category. It goes to show both OEM will bend their back to fulfill demands from a blue chip customer such as SQ. Name, branding and reputation does matters in aviation industry to certain extent.

itisi · Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:58 am

Saw RP-C3504 flying over VHHH earlier today on her delivery flight.

qf789 · Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:25 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
MSN 125 (QR#32) out on another test flight #AIB04GK
MSN 206 (CX#26) second test flight #AIB02NI
MSN 220 (SQ#22) new engine run
MSN 223 (SQ#23) out on another test flight #AIB05HE
MSN 236 (PR#3) on its way home as PAL5003. #3 in September. #54 in 2018. #196 total

MSN206 returning back to TLS after second test flight

https://twitter.com/Frenchpainter/statu ... 5799476224

qf789 · Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:34 am

Philippine Airlines A359 RP-C3504 on departure from TLS on delivery flight

https://twitter.com/A350_Production/sta ... 4982376448

hkcanadaexpat · Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:59 am

MSN 172 (QR#31) is active at the delivery centre this morning.

qf789 · Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:07 pm

Hong Kong Airlines MSN 260 has been towed to station 20 for cabin fitting and engine installation

Lufthansa MSN 255 now has engines installed

https://twitter.com/Frenchpainter/statu ... 1587750912

hkcanadaexpat · Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:13 pm

MSN 207 (QR#33) initial engine run
MSN 217 (CA#3) sporting its final regs B-1083 - delivery this week
MSN 220 (SQ#22) out on another CAF #AIB06FZ

hkcanadaexpat · Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:12 am

MSN 52 (3U#2) new engine run this morning
MSN 223 (SQ#23) new engine run this morning

audidudi · Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:53 pm

The third A350 for Air China was delivered today:

Airbus A350-941 217 B-1083 Air China delivery 19 Sept 2018 TLS-TSN “World Horticultural Expo 2019” cs ex F-WZNU

audidudi · Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:35 pm

audidudi wrote:
The third A350 for Air China was delivered today:

Airbus A350-941 217 B-1083 Air China delivery 19 Sept 2018 TLS-TSN “World Horticultural Expo 2019” cs ex F-WZNU

I forgot to add this is delivery #4 in September...#55 in 2018...195 physically delivered...197 contractually delivered (includes MSN #s 52 and 55).

hkcanadaexpat · Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:20 pm

MSN 217 (CA#3) on its way home as CA80. #197. #4 in September. #55 in 2018
MSN 232 (SQ#25) active on the flightline
MSN 243 (PR#4) new engine run

hkcanadaexpat · Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:02 pm

MSN 245 (HU#2) active on the flightline this evening

Devilfish · Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:05 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
MSN 243 (PR#4) new engine run

Thanks. The A350 Production List shows this frame had its first flight on 9/11/2018. Any issue which might have necessitated the "new" engine run?

Armodeen · Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:42 pm

Devilfish wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
MSN 243 (PR#4) new engine run

Thanks. The A350 Production List shows this frame had its first flight on 9/11/2018. Any issue which might have necessitated the "new" engine run?

A swap from Airbus owned engines to the final customer engines? This sort of practice has been mentioned a few times in this thread.

hkcanadaexpat · Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:09 am

MSN 125 (QR#32) active at the delivery centre this morning
MSN 207 (QR#33) preparing to conduct its RTO - first flight scheduled for Friday
MSN 243 (PR#4) about to depart on its second test flight #AIB02FP

qf789 · Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:01 pm

Some photos of Air China #3 MSN217 B-1083 departing from TLS on delivery

https://twitter.com/Frenchpainter/statu ... 2051927042

https://twitter.com/CAlloing/status/1042382339991580672

hkcanadaexpat · Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:34 pm

MSN 112 (JD#2) RTO - first flight scheduled for Friday
MSN 206 (CX#26) active at the delivery centre
MSN 223 (SQ#23) spotted at the delivery centre this afternoon
MSN 230 (SQ#24) new engine run

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