Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread 2018

hkcanadaexpat · Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:45 pm

First flight for MSN 195 (MH#4) earlier today #AIB01FC

sadiqutp · Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:35 am

I came across this interesting graph of it appears to be a UA presentation justifying their pick for 359 as 77E replacement.

It's also interesting to see where they positioned 789 in terms of range compared to the 359 !

Source: https://twitter.com/e_russell/status/968941766782144515

downdata · Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:55 am

Interesting 78K lost 2000+ miles in range for a mere 60 seats increase

KarelXWB · Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:05 am

sadiqutp wrote:
It's also interesting to see where they positioned 789 in terms of range compared to the 359 !

It's all payload related. UA's 789s are configured with just 252 seats while the A350s will feature more than 300 seats.

StTim · Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:36 am

It looks like MSN191 CI#12 has made it to the Delivery Centre.

https://www.flightradar24.com/AIB123/1093a9ee

thgsr08 · Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:11 pm

StTim wrote:
thgsr08 wrote:
StTim wrote:
Looks like it has the larger winglets.

AFAIK IB is the one to reveive the first A359 with the new winglets. I'm not sure about ULR version, if you say so...

Agreed but I suspect that IB will be the first in service with the larger winglets. The additional testing required for the ULR will mean despite being a lower MSN it will actually get delivered later.

ULR wil be equipped with the longers WL.

thgsr08 · Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:19 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
sadiqutp wrote:
It's also interesting to see where they positioned 789 in terms of range compared to the 359 !

It's all payload related. UA's 789s are configured with just 252 seats while the A350s will feature more than 300 seats.

Even with 300 seats, A359 can fly as far as the 789 with 252 seats.

william · Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:26 pm

A330freak wrote:
MSN197, Vietnam's 12th and the 1st A350 in Skyteam colours
Photocredit to A380_TLS_A350 on Flickr
Msn197 F-WZFN 27/2/2018 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

Next to the Qatar livery, the best livery I seen the A350 in.

StTim · Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:28 am

MSN191 CI#12 on a CAF https://www.flightradar24.com/AIB03GP/10964b4a

patschinger · Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:40 am

Hey guys. Does anybody know which different MTOW SQ is operating on the 359 ? I'm especially interested about the frames will be used on regional routes.

KarelXWB · Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:46 am

Airbus released a photo of MSN 221 PR #1:

https://twitter.com/Airbus/status/969396410113171456

trex8 · Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:14 pm

patschinger wrote:
Hey guys. Does anybody know which different MTOW SQ is operating on the 359 ? I'm especially interested about the frames will be used on regional routes.

Original reports show 250k was offered to EY and SQ.Last acaps shows variants from 210, 235, 240 and 250 available
http://aviationweek.com/commercial-avia ... wer-thrust
http://www.airbus.com/aircraft/support- ... stics.html
pg 24 of the a350 acaps

patschinger · Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:08 pm

Thanks

StTim · Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:21 pm

MSN196 ET#8 is on its way back from being painted in XFW.

WIederling · Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:25 pm

sadiqutp wrote:
It's also interesting to see where they positioned 789 in terms of range compared to the 359 !

Source: https://twitter.com/e_russell/status/968941766782144515

ACAPS payload range for the 789 says 3t payload at 9200nm :-)

StTim · Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:36 pm

MSN190 DL#8 on line with its final registration.

KarelXWB · Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:52 pm

MSN 196 ET #8 has been named "The Pyramids".

AIB03NC msn196 xfw 2/3/2018 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

LAX772LR · Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:36 am

WIederling wrote:
sadiqutp wrote:
It's also interesting to see where they positioned 789 in terms of range compared to the 359 !

Source: https://twitter.com/e_russell/status/968941766782144515

ACAPS payload range for the 789 says 3t payload at 9200nm

....which is probably why that graphic isn't showing it at 9200nm.

LAX772LR · Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:31 am

enzo011 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
WIederling wrote:
ACAPS payload range for the 789 says 3t payload at 9200nm

....which is probably why that graphic isn't showing it at 9200nm.

Seems to me the 789 is at around 9200nm in the graphic. What are we missing that you are seeing?

Well, look between the "0" and the "m," for starters.....

enzo011 · Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:35 am

LAX772LR wrote:
WIederling wrote:
sadiqutp wrote:
It's also interesting to see where they positioned 789 in terms of range compared to the 359 !

Source: https://twitter.com/e_russell/status/968941766782144515

ACAPS payload range for the 789 says 3t payload at 9200nm

....which is probably why that graphic isn't showing it at 9200nm.

Seems to me the 789 is at around 9200nm in the graphic. What are we missing that you are seeing?

817Dreamliiner · Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:37 am

enzo011 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
WIederling wrote:

ACAPS payload range for the 789 says 3t payload at 9200nm

....which is probably why that graphic isn't showing it at 9200nm.

Seems to me the 789 is at around 9200nm in the graphic. What are we missing that you are seeing?

The fact that it says SM and not NM in brackets at the bottom?

StTim · Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:35 am

9,200SM = 8,000NM give or take!

WIederling · Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:07 am

enzo011 wrote:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXJfUmnW4AAra_y.jpg

outch, S(tatute)M(iles)

Still I'd be surprised if the 789 has 750 whatevermiles more range than the A359 in comparable capacity utilization.

mjoelnir · Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:14 pm

WIederling wrote:
enzo011 wrote:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXJfUmnW4AAra_y.jpg

outch, S(tatute)M(iles)

Still I'd be surprised if the 789 has 750 whatevermiles more range than the A359 in comparable capacity utilization.

It does not. But does it really mater if that slide is correct?

WIederling · Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:28 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
It does not. But does it really mater if that slide is correct?

I find these little "errors" interesting. They are often a partisan deformation and not just a plain error.

enzo011 · Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:51 pm

WIederling wrote:
outch, S(tatute)M(iles)

Still I'd be surprised if the 789 has 750 whatevermiles more range than the A359 in comparable capacity utilization.

817Dreamliiner wrote:
The fact that it says SM and not NM in brackets at the bottom?

StTim wrote:
9,200SM = 8,000NM give or take!

Ah, I see it now.

LoganTheBogan · Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:18 am

Configuration of Singapore Airlines regional A350s:

- 40 Business
- 263 Economy

Total: 303 seats

Seat suppliers: Stelia & Recaro

3rd different A350 configuration for Singapore Airlines, to replace the carrier's A330 on short regional flights.

Source: A350 Production

FromCDGtoSYD · Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:51 am

LoganTheBogan wrote:
Configuration of Singapore Airlines regional A350s:

- 40 Business
- 263 Economy

Total: 303 seats

Seat suppliers: Stelia & Recaro

3rd different A350 configuration for Singapore Airlines, to replace the carrier's A330 on short regional flights.

Source: A350 Production

Slightly more premium heavy and alot less Y than the 787-10

How many regional A350s does SQ expect to receive ?

StTim · Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:52 pm

Do we know who the -1000 test frames are going to?

Secondly do we know if the rework to remove the test instrumentation has started on any of them? I do know MSN59 has been test flying recently but the others have been quiet.

ap305 · Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:59 pm

One of the non cabin test frames is in Hamburg for a week now. Perhaps it is getting rework.

Geoff1947 · Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:26 pm

StTim wrote:
Do we know who the -1000 test frames are going to?

Secondly do we know if the rework to remove the test instrumentation has started on any of them? I do know MSN59 has been test flying recently but the others have been quiet.

Probably still up for sale like two of the -900 prototypes are presumably. No announcement on any of them.

Geoff

Stitch · Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:30 pm

StTim wrote:
Do we know who the -1000 test frames are going to?

I would assume Qatar Airways, but then considering how picky AAB can be, perhaps not.

Miguel1982 · Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:33 pm

StTim wrote:
Do we know who the -1000 test frames are going to?

According to the rumors mentioned in the shot below, the one currently in Hamburg might appear as Virgin someday.

StTim · Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:05 am

MSN197 VN#12 having its first engine run this morning.

KarelXWB · Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:57 am

MSN 143 QR #24 has rolled out.

F-WZFO Airbus A350 Qatar Airways by @Eurospot, on Flickr

KarelXWB · Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:00 am

StTim wrote:
MSN197 VN#12 having its first engine run this morning.

=>

F-WZFN Airbus A350 Vietnam Airlines by @Eurospot, on Flickr

patschinger · Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:20 pm

What about the Chinese frames ? Last week it looked like there's some action going on. Now it's quiet again. Any updates ?

memphiX · Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:08 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
StTim wrote:
MSN197 VN#12 having its first engine run this morning.

=>

F-WZFN Airbus A350 Vietnam Airlines by @Eurospot, on Flickr

looks better than OneWorld's, imho.

Geoff1947 · Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:28 pm

patschinger wrote:
What about the Chinese frames ? Last week it looked like there's some action going on. Now it's quiet again. Any updates ?

All are held at TLS pending the CAAC certifying the A350. It has been reported that there are political trade offs involved rather than the delaying factor being the amount of work required. No way to estimate when this might be resolved. Apparently registrations have been assigned which can’t be bad news.

Geoff

5427247845 · Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:33 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 143 QR #24 has rolled out.

F-WZFO Airbus A350 Qatar Airways by @Eurospot, on Flickr

Wow. Must be the worst paint job on a A350 :eek:

res77W · Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:20 pm

A359s are coming off the line with Q-Suites right? I believe I read it here previously but wanted to confirm.

-Rowen

StTim · Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:27 pm

MSN201 TG#12 performed its RTO this afternoon.

Qatara340 · Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:21 pm

[*]

res77W wrote:
A359s are coming off the line with Q-Suites right? I believe I read it here previously but wanted to confirm.

-Rowen

Yes all future widebodies will have the new Q Suites.

BobMUC · Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:45 am

Next A350 for Delta is online with final registration:
https://www.flightradar24.com/DAL190/109fefa5
MSN190 N508DN DL #8

george77300 · Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:31 am

N14AZ wrote:
memphiX wrote:
looks better than OneWorld's, imho.

marcelh wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:

F-WZFO Airbus A350 Qatar Airways by @Eurospot, on Flickr

Wow. Must be the worst paint job on a A350

I agree. White, grey, two kinds of blue and QRs purple... doesn‘t look nice.

They should’ve used the QR grey on the fuselage and not white. It would have looked better imo.

N14AZ · Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:32 am

memphiX wrote:
looks better than OneWorld's, imho.

marcelh wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:

F-WZFO Airbus A350 Qatar Airways by @Eurospot, on Flickr

Wow. Must be the worst paint job on a A350

I agree. White, grey, two kinds of blue and QRs purple... doesn‘t look nice.

Tedd · Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:00 am

With respect to the posters above, I don`t think it`s about which looks the best or nicest. It`s more to do with
highlighting the difference between the Qatar Oneworld plane & their regular branded aircraft, without making
it look ridiculous. Sure the Skyteam plane may look more pleasing to the eye, but from afar the Qatar Oneworld
A350 won`t be mistaken for any other, & in terms of branding which is so important it, wins out IMHO.

KarelXWB · Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:32 am

According to Sichuan's chairman, A350 deliveries are due to start in May.

Sichuan Airlines said last year that it had rented four A350 aircraft and purchased 10 more in January this year, bringing the total number of A350 aircraft to 14 and adding the existing 11 A330 aircraft, the total number of large dual-long long-range ultra-long aircraft reached 25 aircraft. "Everyone concerned about the A350 passenger aircraft will be delivered in succession in May this year."

http://news.carnoc.com/list/438/438341.html

LupineChemist · Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:23 am

Tedd wrote:
With respect to the posters above, I don`t think it`s about which looks the best or nicest. It`s more to do with
highlighting the difference between the Qatar Oneworld plane & their regular branded aircraft, without making
it look ridiculous. Sure the Skyteam plane may look more pleasing to the eye, but from afar the Qatar Oneworld
A350 won`t be mistaken for any other, & in terms of branding which is so important it, wins out IMHO.

They could have at least made the nacelles match. I mean, I think the OW logo is ugly in general (still the alliance that works best for me), but it is what it is. I just think the grey nacelles are what really throw off the livery.

StTim · Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:43 pm

MSN201 TG#12 off on its first flight https://www.flightradar24.com/AIB01GE/10a072bc

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