Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread 2018

KarelXWB · Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:59 am

MSN 177 TG #8 is preparing for its 1st flight: https://fr24.com/AIB01GC/1010a11e

kaitak · Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:17 pm

What is first expected delivery tugs year? A7-ANA of Qatar ?

KarelXWB · Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:15 am

MSN 118, Cathay's first A350-1000, has been moved to cabin fit.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/Toulous ... 076892816/

ap305 · Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:43 am

Cx first operator? I guess anything is possible after the a320neo episode...

hkcanadaexpat · Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:12 pm

MSN 174 (LH#7) preparing to depart on second test flight #AIB02HI
And MSN 180 (ET#7) departing on its first flight #AIB01FX

hkcanadaexpat · Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:49 pm

Initial engine run for MSN 181 (TG#9)

KarelXWB · Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:52 pm

MSN 60 3U #1 has been moved back the the delivery centre.

B-1039 by @Eurospot, on Flickr

bigbird · Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:06 pm

Is one of the upcoming DL deliveries going to be painted in Skyteam colors?

KarelXWB · Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:45 pm

MSN 183 MH #3 has rolled out to the flight line.

KarelXWB · Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:17 am

MSN 181 TG #9 is getting ready for its first flight: https://fr24.com/AIB01FP/10156414

KarelXWB · Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:20 am

MSN 182 DL #7 on the way to XFW for paint: https://fr24.com/AIB02FW/101570ce

F-WZFW A350 Delta by @Eurospot, on Flickr

MaxiAir · Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:00 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 182 DL #7 on the way to XFW for paint: https://fr24.com/AIB02FW/101570ce

An it arrived after just about 1h 40min flight time in typical Hamburg weather :yell:

IMG_4958c_1600 by Maxi-Air, auf Flickr

terrificturk · Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:59 pm

MaxiAir wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 182 DL #7 on the way to XFW for paint: https://fr24.com/AIB02FW/101570ce

An it arrived after just about 1h 40min flight time in typical Hamburg weather

typical HAM weather ? it looks dry to me....... :scratchchin:

MaxiAir · Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:02 pm

terrificturk wrote:
MaxiAir wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 182 DL #7 on the way to XFW for paint: https://fr24.com/AIB02FW/101570ce

An it arrived after just about 1h 40min flight time in typical Hamburg weather

typical HAM weather ? it looks dry to me.......

True, but the most disappointing thing about it was, that the cloud layer just drifted in half an hour prior arrival. Earlier there actually was some sunlight :cry:

It should leave Hamburg back to Toulouse in about 8 to 10 days, lets hope for some light then ...

tvh · Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:32 am

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... -n-444799/

Tianjin Airlines are to get 2 a350 in 2018 from Avolon,

Which msn would that be?

CFRPwingALbody · Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:09 pm

Is airbus also doing A350 painting and cabin outfitting in XFW (Hamburg) these days?
Nice method to use the overcapacity of the A380 completion facilities.

MaxiAir · Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:22 pm

CFRPwingALbody wrote:
Is airbus also doing A350 painting and cabin outfitting in XFW (Hamburg) these days?
Nice method to use the overcapacity of the A380 completion facilities.

Cabin outfitting was an option, but not as of yet. Only painting for some 330s & 350s is done in XFW

tvh · Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:30 pm

MaxiAir wrote:
CFRPwingALbody wrote:
Is airbus also doing A350 painting and cabin outfitting in XFW (Hamburg) these days?
Nice method to use the overcapacity of the A380 completion facilities.

Cabin outfitting was an option, but not as of yet. Only painting for some 330s & 350s is done in XFW

Some capacity is used for the A320.

KarelXWB · Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:42 pm

MSN 132 QR #21 is back at the DC with final registration.

Msn132 A7-ALY 11/1/2018 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

lvs · Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:34 am

MSN 179 (CI#11) is at the delivery centre.

KarelXWB · Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:01 am

tvh wrote:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/tianjin-airlines-to-introduce-a350-grow-long-haul-n-444799/

Tianjin Airlines are to get 2 a350 in 2018 from Avolon,

Which msn would that be?

Given the fact that all production slots in 2018 are filled, my guess is 2 Hong Kong Airlines A350s will be heading to Tianjin Airlines.

KarelXWB · Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:23 am

FYI, to put the Trent XWB-97 in perspective:

https://twitter.com/allentailui/status/ ... 3991810048

tvh · Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:29 am

KarelXWB wrote:
tvh wrote:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/tianjin-airlines-to-introduce-a350-grow-long-haul-n-444799/

Tianjin Airlines are to get 2 a350 in 2018 from Avolon,

Which msn would that be?

Given the fact that all production slots in 2018 are filled, my guess is 2 Hong Kong Airlines A350s will be heading to Tianjin Airlines.

MSN 253 is no accounted for.

KarelXWB · Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:41 am

MSN 177 TG #8 is lining-up for its 2nd flight: https://fr24.com/AIB02GC/101a9bf7

StTim · Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:43 pm

Do we know if the -1000 has been certified for ETOPS, low visibility and cross wind landings yet? I seem to remember they were the high profile things missing from the certification,

hkcanadaexpat · Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:41 pm

MSN 184 (LH#8) initial engine run this afternoon.

BOAC1966 · Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:37 pm

Re -1000 search of EASA library shows no changes so approval of ETOPs, All weather and similiar remain pending. Test flying very sparse over last eight weeks so I think it is resonable to assume some issues may have emerged and now being addressed. MSN88, QR first, has three test flights but nothing recently. Looking at test flying noticeably high these days with the A330neo however just at start of her programme although A350 MSN1 getting in quite a few hours these days ....long detail today in Shannon.

MileHFL400 · Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:24 pm

So, when is the first -1000 delivery?

audidudi · Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:34 am

We are already 12 days into 2018 and there have been no A350 deliveries yet! Why does it take so long to ramp up deliveries again after the end of the year?

Heavierthanair · Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:43 am

G'day

Some insight on what appears to be holding uo Chinese A 350 deliveries

https://www.channel3000.com/news/money/ ... /685299618

Quote:

China over the years has asked Airbus to intervene with the European Aviation Safety Agency and the European Commission to help expedite the talks over the aviation safety agreement, say two people familiar with the requests. As the negotiations dragged on, so did the pace of certification.
The talks between China and the European Commission were successfully completed in December, according to a European Commission spokesman.
The agreement is expected to be signed in June, which the Commission says it expects will help advance certification for "European aviation products" in China.

Unquote:

Cheers

Peter

theobcman · Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:03 am

Is there date yet for the first delivery to IB ? And will they use it on MAD-LHR for crew training ?

Slash787 · Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:25 pm

MileHFL400 wrote:
So, when is the first -1000 delivery?

I was on a 3 week vacation, did I miss something? Wasn't the Qatar 1000 supposed to be delivered in December? What happened?

Jayafe · Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:13 pm

Slash787 wrote:
MileHFL400 wrote:
So, when is the first -1000 delivery?

I was on a 3 week vacation, did I miss something? Wasn't the Qatar 1000 supposed to be delivered in December? What happened?

It was delayed a few weeks. Last minute adjustments.

KarelXWB · Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:32 pm

MSN 185 TG #10 has rolled out from paint.

MSN 189 TG #11 is to follow before the end of the month, making 4 Thai A350s ready for delivery.

A350 Thai Airways HS-THL msn185 F-WWIW by theo franchi, on Flickr

KarelXWB · Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:08 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 183 MH #3 has rolled out to the flight line.

First visual evidence of MSN 183, Malaysia Airlines' 3rd A350.

At the back we can see MSN 186 SQ #21 (fully painted).

https://twitter.com/flyhellas

KarelXWB · Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:33 am

As per Airbus, MSN 132 QR #21 was contractually delivered on December 29, 2017.

Obzerva · Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:02 pm

Just a quick question, I figure the people following this thread would be the most likely to know. Is AY the only carrier so far to have an A350 in an alliance livery? Or have I missed others?

tvh · Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:05 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
As per Airbus, MSN 132 QR #21 was contractually delivered on December 29, 2017.

and msn60 did not get delivered.

KarelXWB · Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:07 pm

Obzerva wrote:
Just a quick question, I figure the people following this thread would be the most likely to know. Is AY the only carrier so far to have an A350 in an alliance livery? Or have I missed others?

You are correct.

Vietnam Airlines will become the 2nd A350 carrier with an alliance livery.

Obzerva · Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:09 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Obzerva wrote:
Just a quick question, I figure the people following this thread would be the most likely to know. Is AY the only carrier so far to have an A350 in an alliance livery? Or have I missed others?

You are correct.

Vietnam Airlines will become the 2nd A350 carrier with an alliance livery.

Great thanks, wasn’t aware of the VN one, thanks for the info.

mat66 · Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:32 pm

tvh wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
As per Airbus, MSN 132 QR #21 was contractually delivered on December 29, 2017.

and msn60 did not get delivered.

Right. MSN60 together with the delivered (Dec 2016) but stored MSN52 and 55 all for Sichuan Airlines are awaiting Mainland Chinese certification. The same is the case for 2 for Bejing Capital Airlines (MSN 98 and 112) and the first for Air China (MSN167).

That certification problem cost Airbus 4 deliveries in 2017. Four easy deliveries for 2018 from a production perspective.

If I may mention the backlog of 7 built and parked QR A350-900 with a lower MSN than long delivered ones, we are already at 11. If only it wasn't QR... :banghead:

My point here is that 2018 could see 100+11 deliveries. Just my guess of course. What do you guys think. Time for delivery projections?

Theseus · Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:38 pm

mat66 wrote:
If I may mention the backlog of 7 built and parked QR A350-900 with a lower MSN than long delivered ones, we are already at 11. If only it wasn't QR...
My point here is that 2018 could see 100+11 deliveries. Just my guess of course. What do you guys think. Time for delivery projections?

Not sure about the Chinese airlines, but I would expect QR to postpone other 2018 deliveries to 2019 for one reason or another. How things will add up seems impossible to guess at this point...

Someone83 · Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:03 pm

mat66 wrote:
My point here is that 2018 could see 100+11 deliveries. Just my guess of course. What do you guys think. Time for delivery projections?

Minus scheduled 2018 delivered for Qatar that will slide into 2019 :p

tvh · Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:03 pm

Theseus wrote:
mat66 wrote:
If I may mention the backlog of 7 built and parked QR A350-900 with a lower MSN than long delivered ones, we are already at 11. If only it wasn't QR...
My point here is that 2018 could see 100+11 deliveries. Just my guess of course. What do you guys think. Time for delivery projections?

Not sure about the Chinese airlines, but I would expect QR to postpone other 2018 deliveries to 2019 for one reason or another. How things will add up seems impossible to guess at this point...

Why does airbus keep building them, they could bring froward other customers who do want to take delivery or make slots aviable for new orders.

SQ22 · Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:01 pm

Obzerva wrote:
Great thanks, wasn’t aware of the VN one, thanks for the info.

Anyone knows if there is any Star livery in the pipeline?

Obzerva · Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:14 pm

SQ22 wrote:
Obzerva wrote:
Great thanks, wasn’t aware of the VN one, thanks for the info.

Anyone knows if there is any Star livery in the pipeline?

Hopefully a non SQ one, I prefer the black tails look more so than than the understandably amended SQ version.

Maybe TG will surprise us.

flee · Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:36 am

tvh wrote:
Theseus wrote:
mat66 wrote:
If I may mention the backlog of 7 built and parked QR A350-900 with a lower MSN than long delivered ones, we are already at 11. If only it wasn't QR...
My point here is that 2018 could see 100+11 deliveries. Just my guess of course. What do you guys think. Time for delivery projections?

Not sure about the Chinese airlines, but I would expect QR to postpone other 2018 deliveries to 2019 for one reason or another. How things will add up seems impossible to guess at this point...

Why does airbus keep building them, they could bring froward other customers who do want to take delivery or make slots aviable for new orders.

There is a long lead time in production and last minute delays cannot be avoided because the production has already been scheduled and work is already done for that particular customer.

When there are official cancellations before the aircraft goes into production, Airbus usually cancels that MSN allocated to the customer who cancelled and production of that frame does not commence.

StTim · Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:53 am

I see there is some -1000 test flying happening today. MSN65 is flying and MSN71 online on the flightline. Hopefully ironing out any final issues.

This could of course be unrelated to whatever delayed the delivery of MSN88

KarelXWB · Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:52 am

MSN 180 ET #7 second flight: https://fr24.com/AIB02FX/1023b631

MSN 181 TG #9 second flight: https://fr24.com/AIB02FP/10242bc8

Theseus · Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:53 am

tvh wrote:
Theseus wrote:
Not sure about the Chinese airlines, but I would expect QR to postpone other 2018 deliveries to 2019 for one reason or another. How things will add up seems impossible to guess at this point...

Why does airbus keep building them, they could bring froward other customers who do want to take delivery or make slots aviable for new orders.

Not sure it would be a good idea for Airbus to just delay the QR planes.
What if QR then says "we are ready to take delivery of our frame, where is the plane ?".

I do not know much about airplane sale contracts, but I guess there must be some part of the final price that gets paid at some point of the construction, and Airbus has to meet their own contractual obligations, or they would face penalties / cancellations.

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