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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:49 pm

xxcr wrote:
747d10 wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
pmCO had no 763s, only 762s and 764s. The 762s are long gone. The 763s are all pmUA.


I think xxcr is referring to the 21 767-322ERs that have non-Polaris lie flat seats.


Yes. I'm talking about the PMCO 763 with the B/E diamond seats. CO had the 762, 763 and the 764. I know the 762 are long gone. 764 has no set schedule for Polaris. So the current B/E diamond 763 are not getting the new Polaris seats?


CO never operated the 763 all of UAs 763s are either pmUA or exHA.

When all is done there will be 31 763s.
17 763s in high J Polaris
14 763s in low J Polaris

7 763s will be retired (replaced by the exHA 763s and 789s.) These 7 will keep the diamond seats.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:50 pm

xxcr wrote:
So the current B/E diamond 763 are not getting the new Polaris seats?


The 14 newer frames, delivered 1998-2001, yes to Polaris, and the first one (N666UA) is reportedly at HKG to be the STC bird for the 76L configuration. The 7 oldest (1992-93 builds), no, as they will be retired.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:28 pm

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Given there are now 46 pages on this thread, it’s obviously very easy for unfrequent readers to miss specific Q&As and other info. Nothing wrong in repeating things in this situation.


Would it be technically feasible to keep the first couple of posts editable by a few people who could add frequently asked questions/answers on a regular basis so there would be no need to sift through all 50 pages for an answer? All these annual threads are way too long and this website needs a more elegant solution. If someone asks something that was answered in the past it would be easier to point him to the first page of the thread. The "other" forum has this option.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:58 pm

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iahcsr wrote:
Given there are now 46 pages on this thread, it’s obviously very easy for unfrequent readers to miss specific Q&As and other info. Nothing wrong in repeating things in this situation.


Would it be technically feasible to keep the first couple of posts editable by a few people who could add frequently asked questions/answers on a regular basis so there would be no need to sift through all 50 pages for an answer? All these annual threads are way too long and this website needs a more elegant solution. If someone asks something that was answered in the past it would be easier to point him to the first page of the thread. The "other" forum has this option.

We're always open to new ideas, so I would recommend posting in the Site Related for anyone who can think of some better ways to manage threads. Our current method of organization was trying to resolve a lot of the confusion from the old site...we know it's not perfect, but it's at least somewhat more organized than before.

Currently, only moderators have the ability to edit posts; it's against our policies to edit post content so that users don't think we're "censoring" them. I'm in favor of changing that under specific circumstances (particularly in referenced post deletion scenarios so that one bad comment doesn't wipe out a thread). However, I don't forsee users being given the ability to edit posts. I would support some sort of system where one or a handful of users are unofficially appointed as "housekeepers" for each thread. These people could send things to us to edit OPs with updated info. It would just be dependent on how the other mods felt, because we're stretched pretty thin. I would be happy to do it, particularly if other folks were putting in the work. If an update is already written, it's a quick copy/paste for us.

Anyway, any ideas for improvement would be great, but let's please continue that discussion in Site Related so that we don't drag this thread any further off topic. We aren't currently in a position to make physical changes to the site (that's a whole other story), but we can make any policy changes we want, so long as the Head Mods are on board.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:20 pm

codc10 wrote:
xxcr wrote:
So the current B/E diamond 763 are not getting the new Polaris seats?


The 14 newer frames, delivered 1998-2001, yes to Polaris, and the first one (N666UA) is reportedly at HKG to be the STC bird for the 76L configuration. The 7 oldest (1992-93 builds), no, as they will be retired.



Thank you for clarifying.

76L is the High Density Premium config right? sorry if these questions were already answered, but going through 47 pages is not easy lol.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:24 pm

United1 wrote:
xxcr wrote:
747d10 wrote:

I think xxcr is referring to the 21 767-322ERs that have non-Polaris lie flat seats.


Yes. I'm talking about the PMCO 763 with the B/E diamond seats. CO had the 762, 763 and the 764. I know the 762 are long gone. 764 has no set schedule for Polaris. So the current B/E diamond 763 are not getting the new Polaris seats?


CO never operated the 763 all of UAs 763s are either pmUA or exHA.

When all is done there will be 31 763s.
17 763s in high J Polaris
14 763s in low J Polaris

7 763s will be retired (replaced by the exHA 763s and 789s.) These 7 will keep the diamond seats.


I'm so confused now with the 767 fleet. were the 2-class 763 B/E Diamond birds from UA? i thought all the PMUA 763 were 3-class?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:28 pm

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The one thing that would probably help for threads like this would be a wiki-style header (or, at least an editable/updated post #1) that has the relevant info immediately available. That way, users wouldn’t have to browse through pages of “N12345 entered XYZ to get a new toilet seat installed” if all they’re looking for is an answer to “how many planes have (or are getting) Polaris?” Otherwise, you’ll still have people asking questions about stuff that has already been answered.


+1 to this request. So much gets lost in these threads.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:33 pm

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I'm so confused now with the 767 fleet. were the 2-class 763 B/E Diamond birds from UA? i thought all the PMUA 763 were 3-class?


Yes they were from UA. They had some in a domestic configuration prior to the merger. These were converted to international with the B/E Diamond after the merger.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:35 pm

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xxcr wrote:

I'm so confused now with the 767 fleet. were the 2-class 763 B/E Diamond birds from UA? i thought all the PMUA 763 were 3-class?


Yes they were from UA. They had some in a domestic configuration prior to the merger. These were converted to international with the B/E Diamond after the merger.




ahh....that makes sense now!
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:03 pm

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76L is the High Density Premium config right? sorry if these questions were already answered, but going through 47 pages is not easy lol

76L is the high quantity of premium seats. The human-space density is the same as the other Polaris 767 config. The seat density on the aircraft is lower. (76L has a high quantity of J seats, has a high ratio of J-to-Y, but it's a low density aircraft.)
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:56 pm

codc10 wrote:
xxcr wrote:
So the current B/E diamond 763 are not getting the new Polaris seats?


The 14 newer frames, delivered 1998-2001, yes to Polaris, and the first one (N666UA) is reportedly at HKG to be the STC bird for the 76L configuration. The 7 oldest (1992-93 builds), no, as they will be retired.

The seven sequences N652,3,7,8,61,2,3UA are the ones to be retired. The missing numbers in the sequence will live on only because they were still 3 class and hence got Polaris-ized.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:00 pm

iahcsr wrote:
codc10 wrote:
xxcr wrote:
So the current B/E diamond 763 are not getting the new Polaris seats?


The 14 newer frames, delivered 1998-2001, yes to Polaris, and the first one (N666UA) is reportedly at HKG to be the STC bird for the 76L configuration. The 7 oldest (1992-93 builds), no, as they will be retired.

The seven sequences N652,3,7,8,61,2,3UA are the ones to be retired. The missing numbers in the sequence will live on only because they were still 3 class and hence got Polaris-ized.


Which is interesting that all but two of the Polaris 763s (currently) are 1991/92 builds, while the allegedly to-be-retired 763s are mostly 1993-vintage.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:22 pm

For what its worth, I maintain the Fleet Site, which has a number of pages that provide up to date info.
"Mainline & Express Fleet" pages - every aircraft type with all aircraft in rows/cells providing config, seating, WiFi/Ent. and if in maint base
"Aircraft in Maint/Mod" pages of major maintenance bases with aircraft in those bases
"Welcome aboard" Page links to years of all movements/updates in 10 day increments of all changes
"Mainline Config/Upgrade Progress" page, which has each fleet type in every configuration - aircraft tail #s in that config are listed.
There is a search capability that can be useful.
I could provide a more targeted list, but it would be on the fleet site since I can't edit posts. Something like a spreadsheet of Polaris/non-Polaris aircraft, narrowbodied configurations, etc.
If this helps, what would you all like to see, but first pull up the fleet site from the bottom of my posts and explore the links on the top.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:14 pm

xxcr wrote:
747d10 wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
pmCO had no 763s, only 762s and 764s. The 762s are long gone. The 763s are all pmUA.


I think xxcr is referring to the 21 767-322ERs that have non-Polaris lie flat seats.


Yes. I'm talking about the PMCO 763 with the B/E diamond seats. CO had the 762, 763 and the 764. I know the 762 are long gone. 764 has no set schedule for Polaris. So the current B/E diamond 763 are not getting the new Polaris seats?

CO never had 763's. They were supposed to, but the order was converted to the 764 and 762. Some of the PMUA 763's were retrofited with the same PMCO diamond seats, post merger.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:23 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
For what its worth, I maintain the Fleet Site, which has a number of pages that provide up to date info.
"Mainline & Express Fleet" pages - every aircraft type with all aircraft in rows/cells providing config, seating, WiFi/Ent. and if in maint base
"Aircraft in Maint/Mod" pages of major maintenance bases with aircraft in those bases
"Welcome aboard" Page links to years of all movements/updates in 10 day increments of all changes
"Mainline Config/Upgrade Progress" page, which has each fleet type in every configuration - aircraft tail #s in that config are listed.
There is a search capability that can be useful.
I could provide a more targeted list, but it would be on the fleet site since I can't edit posts. Something like a spreadsheet of Polaris/non-Polaris aircraft, narrowbodied configurations, etc.
If this helps, what would you all like to see, but first pull up the fleet site from the bottom of my posts and explore the links on the top.

Perhaps we could just post links to these pages periodically, and that could serve as our ongoing list.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:23 am

codc10 wrote:
xxcr wrote:
So the current B/E diamond 763 are not getting the new Polaris seats?


The 14 newer frames, delivered 1998-2001, yes to Polaris, and the first one (N666UA) is reportedly at HKG to be the STC bird for the 76L configuration. The 7 oldest (1992-93 builds), no, as they will be retired.


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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:34 am

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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:08 am

codc10 wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
codc10 wrote:

The 14 newer frames, delivered 1998-2001, yes to Polaris, and the first one (N666UA) is reportedly at HKG to be the STC bird for the 76L configuration. The 7 oldest (1992-93 builds), no, as they will be retired.

The seven sequences N652,3,7,8,61,2,3UA are the ones to be retired. The missing numbers in the sequence will live on only because they were still 3 class and hence got Polaris-ized.


Which is interesting that all but two of the Polaris 763s (currently) are 1991/92 builds, while the allegedly to-be-retired 763s are mostly 1993-vintage.

It is interesting indeed... if the remaining 3 class aircraft had been the younger ‘98-2000 builds these ‘91-92s would be the first to go. Since UA’s priority in this matter was to make the 3 class birds disappear ASAP, UA is now stuck with the older ones until, at the very least, the new 789s arrive. In the meantime retiring the seven will have to do.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:13 am

CALTECH wrote:
codc10 wrote:
xxcr wrote:
So the current B/E diamond 763 are not getting the new Polaris seats?


The 14 newer frames, delivered 1998-2001, yes to Polaris, and the first one (N666UA) is reportedly at HKG to be the STC bird for the 76L configuration. The 7 oldest (1992-93 builds), no, as they will be retired.


It is there, arrived on the 24th. ETR scheduled around 1/22


Assuming for 76L STC? This would also be the first 767 to feature Premium Plus...
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:15 am

calpsafltskeds wrote:
For what its worth, I maintain the Fleet Site, which has a number of pages that provide up to date info.
"Mainline & Express Fleet" pages - every aircraft type with all aircraft in rows/cells providing config, seating, WiFi/Ent. and if in maint base
"Aircraft in Maint/Mod" pages of major maintenance bases with aircraft in those bases
"Welcome aboard" Page links to years of all movements/updates in 10 day increments of all changes
"Mainline Config/Upgrade Progress" page, which has each fleet type in every configuration - aircraft tail #s in that config are listed.
There is a search capability that can be useful.
I could provide a more targeted list, but it would be on the fleet site since I can't edit posts. Something like a spreadsheet of Polaris/non-Polaris aircraft, narrowbodied configurations, etc.
If this helps, what would you all like to see, but first pull up the fleet site from the bottom of my posts and explore the links on the top.

For what it worth I absolutely appreciate all the effort you put in maintaining the fleet site. Not a day goes by I don’t look at it for one reason or another. Thank You so very much :bigthumbsup: :bigthumbsup: :bigthumbsup: :bigthumbsup:
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:59 am

iahcsr wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
For what its worth, I maintain the Fleet Site, which has a number of pages that provide up to date info.
"Mainline & Express Fleet" pages - every aircraft type with all aircraft in rows/cells providing config, seating, WiFi/Ent. and if in maint base
"Aircraft in Maint/Mod" pages of major maintenance bases with aircraft in those bases
"Welcome aboard" Page links to years of all movements/updates in 10 day increments of all changes
"Mainline Config/Upgrade Progress" page, which has each fleet type in every configuration - aircraft tail #s in that config are listed.
There is a search capability that can be useful.
I could provide a more targeted list, but it would be on the fleet site since I can't edit posts. Something like a spreadsheet of Polaris/non-Polaris aircraft, narrowbodied configurations, etc.
If this helps, what would you all like to see, but first pull up the fleet site from the bottom of my posts and explore the links on the top.

For what it worth I absolutely appreciate all the effort you put in maintaining the fleet site. Not a day goes by I don’t look at it for one reason or another. Thank You so very much :bigthumbsup: :bigthumbsup: :bigthumbsup: :bigthumbsup:


Sorry for the "me too" reply here, but...Me Too! I really enjoy the Fleet Site. I love perusing it every day. The accuracy of it is amazing. Thanks for your hard work! :smile:
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:25 am

Agreed, awesome job calpsafltskeds! The fleet site actually answers all the questions better than going round in circles on here!
 
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Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:11 am

6684 - N588HA (763) ferried GYR-SFO today and will then position to HKG for conversion to UA.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:22 am

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6684 - N588HA (763) ferried GYR-SFO today and will then position to HKG for conversion to UA.

Yay!
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:38 am

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Interesting the exHA is still showing as N588HA rather than N684UA on FlightAware .... thought it had been reregistered. Apparently not.
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Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:16 am

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6684 - N588HA (763) ferried GYR-SFO today and will then position to HKG for conversion to UA.


Meanwhile, the last IPTE763 N660UA plods along on ORD>EWR. You'd at least think it would be the spare.

Good to see that the full conversion plan is taking action and the ex-HA units get moving to HKG. The upgrade will obviously include new Polaris and PE. Will the coach seats be swapped out also or remain the same as they are relatively new?

I wonder if the Diamond BF seats will be reused on other a/c like the 772A received the old IPTE or just sent to the trash?

There's a tremendous amount of UA metal in the shop. I'm sure that will cause some wide-body aircraft route assignment changes as we get closer to spring/summer schedules.
 
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Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:44 pm

I wonder if the Diamond seats could replace the old UA business seats on the Domestic 772As without seat loss? There would have to be something moved around a bit on the 772A as the lavs/galley;s are in a different spot than the sCO 772ER to compare spacing.

Thanks for the kind words on the Fleet Site. I'm working on another page for Polaris only and may place it on the site in a few days.

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Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:29 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
I wonder if the Diamond seats could replace the old UA business seats on the Domestic 772As without seat loss? There would have to be something moved around a bit on the 772A as the lavs/galley;s are in a different spot than the sCO 772ER to compare spacing.

I think 28 sCO Diamond seats would fit in perfectly, or at most removing half of the Door 2 galley, but I suspect that UA is done investing in the 772A's. I would love to be wrong, because if you have have 28 seats with 6 middle seats, and 28 seats with no middle seats, the choice for customers would be obvious. Plus those old sUA had no storage space, and I found them so much less comfortable to sleep on than the Diamonds. I know that everyone wants all aisle access, but those Diamond seats are some of my favorites. Also, for the routes they fly to Hawaii, people are way more likely to be flying with a companion than business routes to Europe and Asia.
 
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Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:57 pm

It looks to me that 26 would be a sure thing with room to spare if the forward center galley was removed and replaced by storage in front of the lavs by door 2. My guess is 28 seats would need a lav removed at door 2. There are now 4 lavs available for BF passengers, knowing that the door 2 lavs are shared by Y.
I agree that UA probably doesn't want to drop more cash on the 772A fleet, so it would have to be a minor change to make it work.
 
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Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:51 pm

cosyr wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
I wonder if the Diamond seats could replace the old UA business seats on the Domestic 772As without seat loss? There would have to be something moved around a bit on the 772A as the lavs/galley;s are in a different spot than the sCO 772ER to compare spacing.

I think 28 sCO Diamond seats would fit in perfectly, or at most removing half of the Door 2 galley, but I suspect that UA is done investing in the 772A's. I would love to be wrong, because if you have have 28 seats with 6 middle seats, and 28 seats with no middle seats, the choice for customers would be obvious. Plus those old sUA had no storage space, and I found them so much less comfortable to sleep on than the Diamonds. I know that everyone wants all aisle access, but those Diamond seats are some of my favorites. Also, for the routes they fly to Hawaii, people are way more likely to be flying with a companion than business routes to Europe and Asia.


Probably right on the investment in 772A's, but it would be a shame to see these relatively new (<5 years?) seats trashed as they are better than some they are using out there. You have to figure the 772's (all) 763's (all) are on their last reconfig before the final scrap run.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:14 pm

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flyguy84 wrote:
6684 - N588HA (763) ferried GYR-SFO today and will then position to HKG for conversion to UA.


Meanwhile, the last IPTE763 N660UA plods along on ORD>EWR. You'd at least think it would be the spare.

Good to see that the full conversion plan is taking action and the ex-HA units get moving to HKG. The upgrade will obviously include new Polaris and PE. Will the coach seats be swapped out also or remain the same as they are relatively new?

I wonder if the Diamond BF seats will be reused on other a/c like the 772A received the old IPTE or just sent to the trash?

There's a tremendous amount of UA metal in the shop. I'm sure that will cause some wide-body aircraft route assignment changes as we get closer to spring/summer schedules.


The 76A (reconfigured IPTE 763 with Polaris) have the same Y seat and IFE as the 76C (former 67E, 2-cabin 763 with CO-style BE Diamond seat), so I assume these ships will keep their Y seats. The 76C is 184Y (180 standard seats, 4 crew rest) while the 76L is 99Y; 95 standard Y and 4 crew rest. The Y seats of N666UA can probably be harvested to (mostly) fill out the Y cabin of the 2nd 76L (ex-HA N684UA). Besides N660UA, which soldiers on in IPTE configuration, all remaining 767-300ER will ultimately be in the high-J 76L layout, featuring 46J and PE.

The 76C Diamond J seats are not compatible with the 777 (different dimensions) so I doubt we'll see them added to the 77G fleet. If anything, maybe when the sCO 77Y fleet goes in for Polaris mods, but by that time, those seats will probably need to be fully refurbished and require significant downtime to retrofit the 77Gs, several of which will be approaching their 25th birthdays. UA might deem the investment unnecessary. There are other airlines using the Diamond seat, so some of the hardware might be of value to other operators for parts or newer seats (such as from the 76C) could be refurbished and installed on other airplanes. There are still a number of secondary 767 operators this could appeal to.

The winter is a period of reduced widebody demand in the schedule, so UA is ramping up the pace of mods in advance of the Summer 2019 season. There probably won't be as many aircraft out of service come the peak season.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:09 pm

A little clarification on the 767 Polaris product.

All 767-300's will be getting the Polaris Biz class seat. With the original 763 builds they all have them except N660UA. These Aircraft will not be getting Premium Economy seats. All the 76C or nose 66XX's will be getting both the Polaris and Premium Economy Seats. The ex HA birds are the ones to have the extended Polaris Cabin seats.

Hope this helps.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:17 pm

snuggs28 wrote:
A little clarification on the 767 Polaris product.

All 767-300's will be getting the Polaris Biz class seat. With the original 763 builds they all have them except N660UA. These Aircraft will not be getting Premium Economy seats. All the 76C or nose 66XX's will be getting both the Polaris and Premium Economy Seats. The ex HA birds are the ones to have the extended Polaris Cabin seats.

Hope this helps.


Would this make UA the first airline to offer Premium Economy? the layout would be what 2-2-2?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:50 pm

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Would this make UA the first airline to offer Premium Economy? the layout would be what 2-2-2?

In North America, Air Canada, American, and Delta all already have it. All sorts of non-North America carriers have Premium Economy.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:01 pm

xxcr wrote:
snuggs28 wrote:
A little clarification on the 767 Polaris product.

All 767-300's will be getting the Polaris Biz class seat. With the original 763 builds they all have them except N660UA. These Aircraft will not be getting Premium Economy seats. All the 76C or nose 66XX's will be getting both the Polaris and Premium Economy Seats. The ex HA birds are the ones to have the extended Polaris Cabin seats.

Hope this helps.


Would this make UA the first airline to offer Premium Economy? the layout would be what 2-2-2?



I think so but there is no definite info on this as of yet..
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:03 pm

adamblang wrote:
xxcr wrote:
Would this make UA the first airline to offer Premium Economy? the layout would be what 2-2-2?

In North America, Air Canada, American, and Delta all already have it. All sorts of non-North America carriers have Premium Economy.


Oops, left out the important part. i meant for the 767
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:47 pm

xxcr wrote:
adamblang wrote:
xxcr wrote:
Would this make UA the first airline to offer Premium Economy? the layout would be what 2-2-2?

In North America, Air Canada, American, and Delta all already have it. All sorts of non-North America carriers have Premium Economy.


Oops, left out the important part. i meant for the 767

Looks like Austrian has premium economy on theirs: https://www.austrian.com/Info/Flightinf ... 0%20ER.asp
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:35 pm

snuggs28 wrote:
A little clarification on the 767 Polaris product.

All 767-300's will be getting the Polaris Biz class seat. With the original 763 builds they all have them except N660UA. These Aircraft will not be getting Premium Economy seats. All the 76C or nose 66XX's will be getting both the Polaris and Premium Economy Seats. The ex HA birds are the ones to have the extended Polaris Cabin seats.

Hope this helps.


The 76C will transition to the 76L configuration (46J) over time. Not just the ex-HA birds.
 
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Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:42 pm

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I’m going to guess all future deliveries will take place in a more timely manner. These first two sat around CHS for weeks after production testing was completed.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:38 pm

iahcsr wrote:
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N17002 C3 28Nov Presume “Ready for Delivery” (that website is only updated once a week or so)
I’m going to guess all future deliveries will take place in a more timely manner. These first two sat around CHS for weeks after production testing was completed.


I'm guessing that on a week's worth of interest on $100m it's probably worth waiting until the last minute.

Disappointing that the 763's with Polaris already +N660UA will not get PE, but the retrofits have to stop somewhere I guess.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:44 am

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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:41 pm

codc10 wrote:
snuggs28 wrote:
A little clarification on the 767 Polaris product.

All 767-300's will be getting the Polaris Biz class seat. With the original 763 builds they all have them except N660UA. These Aircraft will not be getting Premium Economy seats. All the 76C or nose 66XX's will be getting both the Polaris and Premium Economy Seats. The ex HA birds are the ones to have the extended Polaris Cabin seats.

Hope this helps.


The 76C will transition to the 76L configuration (46J) over time. Not just the ex-HA birds.


Wow I didn't notice that before. I stand corrected. That's a lot of Birds to have that config though.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:15 pm

snuggs28 wrote:
codc10 wrote:
snuggs28 wrote:
A little clarification on the 767 Polaris product.

All 767-300's will be getting the Polaris Biz class seat. With the original 763 builds they all have them except N660UA. These Aircraft will not be getting Premium Economy seats. All the 76C or nose 66XX's will be getting both the Polaris and Premium Economy Seats. The ex HA birds are the ones to have the extended Polaris Cabin seats.

Hope this helps.


The 76C will transition to the 76L configuration (46J) over time. Not just the ex-HA birds.


Wow I didn't notice that before. I stand corrected. That's a lot of Birds to have that config though.


I think UA has plenty of routes on which a high-premium 763 would be a good fit. ORD/IAD/EWR-LHR, EWR-GVA/ZRH, and possibly a partial replacement of P.S. 757s on EWR-SFO/LAX and SFO-BOS.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:42 pm

FSDan wrote:
snuggs28 wrote:
codc10 wrote:

The 76C will transition to the 76L configuration (46J) over time. Not just the ex-HA birds.


Wow I didn't notice that before. I stand corrected. That's a lot of Birds to have that config though.


I think UA has plenty of routes on which a high-premium 763 would be a good fit. ORD/IAD/EWR-LHR, EWR-GVA/ZRH, and possibly a partial replacement of P.S. 757s on EWR-SFO/LAX and SFO-BOS.


If I had to guess, I would posit that the 76A (without Premium Plus) will be deployed in more domestic markets, especially if there are no plans to add PP to this fleet. The 76L could certainly make appearances on transcons, too.

The word is EWR/ORD/IAD/IAH-LHR, plus EWR-GVA/ZRH, are targeted for the 76L. That's 16 daily TATL roundtrips right there, and while not all would go to 76L, presumably, that's a big chunk of flying.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:52 pm

EWR ZRH if it doesn't stay as a 767-400. I think it will got to the 787 Fleet. I don't think you'll see the 76L on that route. We fill up to many Coach Seats on that route.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:24 pm

Hearing N2748U was not delivered with PE after all? Anyone confirm?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:31 pm

skipness1E wrote:
Hearing N2748U was not delivered with PE after all? Anyone confirm?


Aircraft might have already had its seats on order and it was too late to change.
 
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Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:03 pm

skipness1E wrote:
Hearing N2748U was not delivered with PE after all? Anyone confirm?


Even if it doesn't have PE now, all 77W will have it by March or so when the Premium Plus product goes live.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:59 pm

Am I correct in seeing from the UA fleet site (https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfle ... l-upgrades) that only 77Es are at the moment running with the Premium Plus seats?

I.e. chances of getting a Premium Plus upgrade on a TATL 772 is zero (unless equipment swaps).

Are there plans to incorporate premium plus into the 772s?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:00 pm

codc10 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
Hearing N2748U was not delivered with PE after all? Anyone confirm?


Even if it doesn't have PE now, all 77W will have it by March or so when the Premium Plus product goes live.

Odds are quite good PE is being installed right now as part of its induction package.
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