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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:15 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
fun2fly wrote:
2) There was an even longer discussion that UA would order new 763's. Is that dead?

UA is indeed interested in adding a few 763s to its fleet but those will come in the form of HA's 763s which are due for retirement this year. They are young frames, in good shape and satisfy UA's requirements.

That might be but they are definitely looking at new builds.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:40 am

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764:
N76054 entered MCO 2779/5Jan, probably minor mod - second 764 through MCO recently



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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:57 am

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hkcanadaexpat wrote:
fun2fly wrote:
2) There was an even longer discussion that UA would order new 763's. Is that dead?

UA is indeed interested in adding a few 763s to its fleet but those will come in the form of HA's 763s which are due for retirement this year. They are young frames, in good shape and satisfy UA's requirements.

That might be but they are definitely looking at new builds.

Here’s hoping B and UA can work out a deal on this that makes both sides happy. :crossfingers: :crossfingers:

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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:52 pm

What routes have the refitted 767’s been showing up on? Have they made it to Brazil yet? Carnival is just around the corner!
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:49 pm

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What routes have the refitted 767’s been showing up on? Have they made it to Brazil yet? Carnival is just around the corner!


IAH-GIG has seen the new configuration a number of times. IAH-LIM/SCL also somewhat frequently.

No fixed schedule or markets yet.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:29 pm

codc10 wrote:
VC10er wrote:
What routes have the refitted 767’s been showing up on? Have they made it to Brazil yet? Carnival is just around the corner!


IAH-GIG has seen the new configuration a number of times. IAH-LIM/SCL also somewhat frequently.

No fixed schedule or markets yet.

One is about to depart IAHLIM now. Another is SCLIAH tonight. Third is just sitting at IAD.
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Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:38 am

Can anyone confirm if there are registration differences between the 787-9s ordered by CO and those ordered and delivered directly to UA?

Are the UA delivered 9's the ones with the leather seats in coach vs. the cloth fabric on the CO ones?
 
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Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:27 am

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Can anyone confirm if there are registration differences between the 787-9s ordered by CO and those ordered and delivered directly to UA?

Are the UA delivered 9's the ones with the leather seats in coach vs. the cloth fabric on the CO ones?


No difference in registration numbers all are Nxx9xx. All 789s newly delivered have been delivered with blue leather seats.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:36 am

codc10 wrote:
VC10er wrote:
What routes have the refitted 767’s been showing up on? Have they made it to Brazil yet? Carnival is just around the corner!


IAH-GIG has seen the new configuration a number of times. IAH-LIM/SCL also somewhat frequently.

No fixed schedule or markets yet.


That’s great! Especially since the new safety video features Rio’s Carnival in its first sketch!
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Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:43 pm

739:
N66848 entered VCV paint 2790/9Jan - going in with March of Dimes paint

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N76054 exited MCO 2776/8Jan
N66056 entered HKG 2803/9Jan, Y crew rest mod

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N220UA sked to exit XMN 862/12Jan
N229UA exited VCV paint 2783/8Jan

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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:46 pm

787-900 new delivery CHS-IAD a/c 971. Flight 2686
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:35 pm

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787-900 new delivery CHS-IAD a/c 971. Flight 2686

IAD and not SEA... interesting change. Didn’t think IAD would be equipped for introduction work.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:50 pm

When does the first 777-200ER begin Polaris reconfiguration?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:30 pm

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When does the first 777-200ER begin Polaris reconfiguration?


Possibly after the 767s finish, if they plan to do the mods in HKG. UA has 3 767 mod lines underway at HKG right now, with a roughly 12 week stay per frame since it is coordinated with a heavy maintenance visit and other life-extension mods. N646UA checked in to HKG on 1/1; N655UA on 12/9, N656UA on 11/15. Based on the previous time, target exit dates for N656UA would be 2/15, N655UA 3/9, N646UA 4/1. If they go nose-to-tail with three mod lines through the summer (not sure if that's realistic), the 13 767-300ERs be complete in Fall 2018.

Hopefully United can get a 777 line up and running elsewhere, like XMN, otherwise this is going to take a LONG time.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:07 pm

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atlflyer wrote:
When does the first 777-200ER begin Polaris reconfiguration?


Possibly after the 767s finish, if they plan to do the mods in HKG. UA has 3 767 mod lines underway at HKG right now, with a roughly 12 week stay per frame since it is coordinated with a heavy maintenance visit and other life-extension mods. N646UA checked in to HKG on 1/1; N655UA on 12/9, N656UA on 11/15. Based on the previous time, target exit dates for N656UA would be 2/15, N655UA 3/9, N646UA 4/1. If they go nose-to-tail with three mod lines through the summer (not sure if that's realistic), the 13 767-300ERs be complete in Fall 2018.

Hopefully United can get a 777 line up and running elsewhere, like XMN, otherwise this is going to take a LONG time.

I was under the impression they were going to try to start sooner than that, but they may not be able to start until the fall. I can't imagine they'd want three 763s plus any 772s out of service for mods over the summer. If no 772s go in before next month or so, I'm assuming it probably won't happen until after the summer schedule winds down.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:26 pm

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Cmac787 wrote:
787-900 new delivery CHS-IAD a/c 971. Flight 2686

IAD and not SEA... interesting change. Didn’t think IAD would be equipped for introduction work.


The induction process is scheduled to be finished on January 15.
 
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Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:32 pm

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Cmac787 wrote:
787-900 new delivery CHS-IAD a/c 971. Flight 2686

IAD and not SEA... interesting change. Didn’t think IAD would be equipped for introduction work.


IAD is staffed for it; just a matter of shipping in the appropriate equipment, placards, materials, etc.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:32 am

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Cmac787 wrote:
787-900 new delivery CHS-IAD a/c 971. Flight 2686

IAD and not SEA... interesting change. Didn’t think IAD would be equipped for introduction work.


As of early evening 1/10, the aircraft is inside the hanger and the techs are working on exterior placards and markings.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:06 am

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When does the first 777-200ER begin Polaris reconfiguration?


I have no insider information, but I have a hunch N784UA is already in HKG to get modifications. It's been there two months already, and it visited XMN a couple times in the past couple years for maintenance, so it seems strange to be in for more maintenance and of that length. It also lines up with UA's estimate of the first being ready in winter/early 2018. We'll see I guess.
 
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:29 pm

Well that hunch will be revealed soon - my guess is no conversion as no test hop taken
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N784UA sked to exit HKG 2821/13Jan - 74 days in HKG
N220UA sked to exit XMN 289009/12Jan
N221UA sked to enter XMN 2801/12Jan

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Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:36 pm

The first 772 will require a STC, so I would expect the process to take a bit longer than 74 days. I'm not very optimistic about N784UA being the first Polaris 772...
 
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:46 pm

Actually, there is a test hop sked for N784UA 2690/12Jan, but doubt it would be so close to exit with an STC.
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:25 pm

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Well that hunch will be revealed soon - my guess is no conversion as no test hop taken
772:
N784UA sked to exit HKG 2821/13Jan - 74 days in HKG
N220UA sked to exit XMN 289009/12Jan
N221UA sked to enter XMN 2801/12Jan

738:
N76504 had flap damage in SAL 1/4/18 m- ferried back to IAH same day - still in IAH

I'm sorry but what?

74 days? Jesus what in the world are they doing? :eyepopping: :eyepopping: :eyepopping:

I know HEACO is (much) slower than when the work was done in the US but 2 and a half months for a overhaul is a hell of a long time.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:01 pm

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calpsafltskeds wrote:
Well that hunch will be revealed soon - my guess is no conversion as no test hop taken
772:
N784UA sked to exit HKG 2821/13Jan - 74 days in HKG
N220UA sked to exit XMN 289009/12Jan
N221UA sked to enter XMN 2801/12Jan

738:
N76504 had flap damage in SAL 1/4/18 m- ferried back to IAH same day - still in IAH

I'm sorry but what?

74 days? Jesus what in the world are they doing? :eyepopping: :eyepopping: :eyepopping:

I know HEACO is (much) slower than when the work was done in the US but 2 and a half months for a overhaul is a hell of a long time.


Which is why a lot of us think that is the first 77E getting Polaris....60-90 days is about right for that when its the first frame of a type.

There is also a possibility its the first frame getting PE installed...I would not be surprised to see that announced during the Q4 call.
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:31 pm

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Q200: Entire fleet retired from UAX service yesterday. Last 9 of a historic total of 16 completed service, meaning UA is now an all jet airline domestically.


Besides those pesky ATRs in GUM in domestic service...

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Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:03 pm

Reality is a bummer if the 772 fleet will take so long to refit. Many do very long rides (EWR to India and HK as examples) and Polaris would be SO much better for premium revenue fliers.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:00 pm

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Well that hunch will be revealed soon - my guess is no conversion as no test hop taken
772:
N784UA sked to exit HKG 2821/13Jan - 74 days in HKG


I guess we will. I would think the first for Polaris would take longer, so I'm not sure which side I would bet on.

But even if it didn't get any mods, it begs the question of why the visit was so long.
 
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:45 am

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Reality is a bummer if the 772 fleet will take so long to refit. Many do very long rides (EWR to India and HK as examples) and Polaris would be SO much better for premium revenue fliers.


The first retrofit of any type takes quite a while...besides the actual work to install Polaris they need a STC from the feds and UA has in the past flown the first aircraft around for a while making sure the bugs are worked out before converting additional units. Subsequent conversions of the same type go much faster.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:44 pm

738:
N76504 returned to service after flap repair in IAH 1793/11Jan (damage inm SAL 1/4/18)

772:
N220UA now sked to exit XMNm2800/13Jan
N221UA was sked XMN, but N220UA delay kept it in service
N769UA entered SMN 2780/5Jan
N786UA entered XMN 2770/11Jan
5 sUA 772s now in maint or mod

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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:03 pm

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atlflyer wrote:
When does the first 777-200ER begin Polaris reconfiguration?


I have no insider information, but I have a hunch N784UA is already in HKG to get modifications. It's been there two months already, and it visited XMN a couple times in the past couple years for maintenance, so it seems strange to be in for more maintenance and of that length. It also lines up with UA's estimate of the first being ready in winter/early 2018. We'll see I guess.


Sorry, no Polaris.

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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:10 pm

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738:

5 sUA 772s now in maint or mod



Only show 4 OOS in planned MX......
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:33 pm

Thanks, CALTECH:
Expected no Polaris
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N209UA & 784UA in HKG (N784UA sked exit 2821/13Jan)
N220UA, N769UA, N786UA XMN (N784UA sked exit 2821/13Jan)
N221UA was sked XMN, was it replaced by N786UA, just ferried from SFO or will it head to XMN as well?
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:13 pm

CALTECH wrote:
MSPNWA wrote:
atlflyer wrote:
When does the first 777-200ER begin Polaris reconfiguration?


I have no insider information, but I have a hunch N784UA is already in HKG to get modifications. It's been there two months already, and it visited XMN a couple times in the past couple years for maintenance, so it seems strange to be in for more maintenance and of that length. It also lines up with UA's estimate of the first being ready in winter/early 2018. We'll see I guess.


Sorry, no Polaris.

Heavy Maintenance Visit, All Gear Change, Pressure Deck Inspection, Aging Aircraft Inspection. Lots of work. AAI was misidentified as AAA before, but no Polaris, just AAI.

Which also means no chance of Premium Y. Maybe they'll introduce with the 77W's later this year. Hopefully they aren't waiting on the 78J's.
 
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:38 pm

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Which also means no chance of Premium Y. Maybe they'll introduce with the 77W's later this year. Hopefully they aren't waiting on the 78J's.


If the 78J's have Polaris and Prem Y, they will be the flagship! UA has a significant number of widebody a/c coming online in 2018: 4x 77W 4x 789 and 2x 78J + any 763's rumored.
 
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:43 pm

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There is also a possibility its the first frame getting PE installed...I would not be surprised to see that announced during the Q4 call.


Though it has already been mentioned that this plane isn't getting new seating yet, I'll say there's no way they'd be installing and test flying a PE product before they even publicly announce it.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:51 pm

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cosyr wrote:
Which also means no chance of Premium Y. Maybe they'll introduce with the 77W's later this year. Hopefully they aren't waiting on the 78J's.


If the 78J's have Polaris and Prem Y, they will be the flagship! UA has a significant number of widebody a/c coming online in 2018: 4x 77W 4x 789 and 2x 78J + any 763's rumored.

I would say there is next to no chance they would introduce Prem Y on the remaining 789's, since they won't even have Polaris. I just thought the remaining 77W's would make sense, because if they arrangement in Y isn't too different from the existing layout, they could retrofit the 14 on site relatively quickly, since Polaris is already in place on those planes. The 78J would make sense, except for how late they're coming this year. At this point it is likely UA will be 2 years behind the competition, kind of disgraceful. I don't really understand, the hard product doesn't need to be revolutionary. NZ tried to reinvent the wheel with W and it blew up in their face. If UA is undecided on the soft product (upgraded food, lounge access, priority boarding/check-in, etc.) they can figure that out later. Do some focus groups after it is announced, but W is not nearly as complicated as J/Polaris upgrades. What is the hold up UA?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:55 am

When will United take possession on Hawaiian’s 763’s, and how many frames are there? I assume they will be getting Polaris and new Y seats as per the current refreshed 763?
Will they require new overhead bins, sidewalls, lavs etc?
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Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:29 pm

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When will United take possession on Hawaiian’s 763’s, and how many frames are there? I assume they will be getting Polaris and new Y seats as per the current refreshed 763? Will they require new overhead bins, sidewalls, lavs etc?

Hawaiian is retiring them in Q4-2018. So, if one assumes that UA will take the 3 youngest as suggested, you probably won't see them in UA livery until H2-2019.
 
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Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:03 pm

Aircraft 2786 that is in XMN is the Polaris Project Bird for the -222B's or otherwise known as ER's. Planned test flight is for Mid March.
 
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:09 am

N656UA is scheduled for a test hop on the 17th. This will be the 4th Polaris 767.
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:11 pm

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Aircraft 2786 that is in XMN is the Polaris Project Bird for the -222B's or otherwise known as ER's. Planned test flight is for Mid March.


Hello Snuggs28, apologies for my need for clarity, I’m assuming this is a 772ER that will get a full refit? When you mention “test flight” a thought popped into my head for the first time ever. I have seen the proposed layout for the Polaris 772, and I am wondering if the new seats change the balance of weight on the aircraft (presuming that 50 Polaris seats may weigh more than the old seats?) Aside from training onboard, is training required for the pilots? Basically, it has never once crossed my mind that any widebody that undergoes a major cabin renovation would effect the way the aircraft handles when flown? Thanks
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:12 pm

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N24972 B1 on 11th, C1 on 13th... Delivery on 15th? More likely whenever 971 clears induction at IAD.
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:42 pm

Aloha All,

Sorry for going off-topic here but I figure there are a lot of UA folks in-the-know in this thread that may be able to help me with a work-related question. I figure it was better to try here than start a separate topic. Mods, feel free to remove if there are any objections.

I work in cargo and have noticed that ever since the 777-200A models were reconfigured from the 77H to 77G/M payload performance has dropped significantly. I understand that there are 20 additional seats in the G/M configuration over the 77H but UA installed slimeline seats that are lighter than the seats found in the 77H config. Additionally, 20 additional passengers and their bags doesn't seem to account for the significant drop in payload performance we've seen with the G/M.

This leads me to the conclusion that the payload performance drops are as a result of higher OEW from the lie-flat seats that were installed up front. I've been guestimating that each lie flat is somewhere around 1,000 lbs, or at least significantly heavier than the recliners from the 77H config. x28 is 28,000 lbs which would better explain the payload performance decreases. Does anyone on here know the weight on the lie-flats used in this configuration?

Lastly, does anyone know what the OEW and MTOW figures are for the 77G/M? If not comfortable providing those on Airliners, please DM me and I am happy to provide my work email in a message. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

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Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:01 pm

I would ask if the reduced payload is on certain routes or not. If the issue is from HNL to GUM westbound it could be headwind related, which are usually worse in the Northern Winter. I personally know there are at least occasional weight restrictions ORD-HNL, which is the longest route and almost 300 miles longer than HNL-GUM.
The only reason I would think a shorter route would have issues is if the extra weight of the BF seats would trigger a max zero fuel weight limitation.
Using Wikepedia's stats, it doesn't look like a full fuel load on the 772A or 772ER won't allow a full pax load with bags, so no cargo. I don't know how they fly routes like ORD-HNL with the 772A or EWR-India with the 772ER.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:45 pm

VC10er wrote:
snuggs28 wrote:
Aircraft 2786 that is in XMN is the Polaris Project Bird for the -222B's or otherwise known as ER's. Planned test flight is for Mid March.


Hello Snuggs28, apologies for my need for clarity, I’m assuming this is a 772ER that will get a full refit? When you mention “test flight” a thought popped into my head for the first time ever. I have seen the proposed layout for the Polaris 772, and I am wondering if the new seats change the balance of weight on the aircraft (presuming that 50 Polaris seats may weigh more than the old seats?) Aside from training onboard, is training required for the pilots? Basically, it has never once crossed my mind that any widebody that undergoes a major cabin renovation would effect the way the aircraft handles when flown? Thanks


VC10er,

The Aircraft is also going through it's Heavy Check. Hence the Test Flight.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:33 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
I would ask if the reduced payload is on certain routes or not. If the issue is from HNL to GUM westbound it could be headwind related, which are usually worse in the Northern Winter. I personally know there are at least occasional weight restrictions ORD-HNL, which is the longest route and almost 300 miles longer than HNL-GUM.
The only reason I would think a shorter route would have issues is if the extra weight of the BF seats would trigger a max zero fuel weight limitation.
Using Wikepedia's stats, it doesn't look like a full fuel load on the 772A or 772ER won't allow a full pax load with bags, so no cargo. I don't know how they fly routes like ORD-HNL with the 772A or EWR-India with the 772ER.


We are seeing poor payload performance and weight restrictions on HNL-Mainland flights which are eastbound. We even have payload issues on HNL-LAX/SFO which are well inside the 77A's "published" range.

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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:13 am

BFinSF wrote:
dc10lover wrote:
According to Ontario, California airport, United Airlines will be serving the Ontario, California - San Francisco market, not United Express.


Unfortunately, that's not accurate.

UA has operated SFO-ONT with up to 9 CRJ-200s on a daily basis. Beginning this month, they've added two mainline flights (those a/c RON and return to SF the next am) while reducing flight options from 9 to 6. Later this month, that drops down to 4 daily flights (1 mainline, 3 CRJ-200s). That schedule remains through April, then 2 more flights are added (back up to 6 daily w/ only 1 mainline). Looking out six months, there isn't any obvious change to this schedule.

Last year, UA announced that it would be deploying mainline aircraft into several markets, this includes BUR, PSP, FAT, RNO. In nearly every instance, these a/c are evening arrivals that RON and return the next morning. UA's own announcement made it sound like the entire market was going mainline, which was repeated by flyer blogs and (in this case) airport marketing teams. That's obviously incorrect.

As an ONT commuter from SF, one downside to this schedule is that the early am departures are completely gone (earliest is now 8:30am), which makes a working commute impractical. In my case, I've shifted everything to SNA flying (can't complain, great airport, just much further away).




I wish Southwest would start SFO-ONT and knock UA out of this market. My aunt does a good bit of travel from ONT to the Bay, and she doesn't particularly care for United or their CRJ-200s.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:32 am

77H wrote:
We are seeing poor payload performance and weight restrictions on HNL-Mainland flights which are eastbound. We even have payload issues on HNL-LAX/SFO which are well inside the 77A's "published" range.

77H


ETOPS fuel is the reason. Sometimes.

Eastbound in winter, HNL-SFO is frequently limited by max structural landing weight. ETOPS additional fuel can be very high depending on whether it includes anti ice fuel. Since the ETOPS fuel requirement is based on "worst case", there is a need to consider the loss of an engine and/or pressurization leading to a descent into icing conditions. This would require the continuous use of engine and/or wing anti ice systems. Which can mean thousands of pounds additional fuel at the critical point and subsequently for landing. The additional landing fuel at SFO versus HNL can be 8,000-10,000 lbs due to this and other ETOPS considerations.

Westbound SFO-HNL there is much less chance of carrying anti ice fuel and the ETOPS alternate, usually ITO, is a couple hundred miles closer to the critical point than the destination. There is no closer ETOPS alternate than SFO to use whilst flying to SFO so you land with your ETOPS "penalty" intact. Counterintuitive as it sounds, you could conceivably carry more payload to a destination further inland.

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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:13 am

snuggs28 wrote:
Aircraft 2786 that is in XMN is the Polaris Project Bird for the -222B's or otherwise known as ER's. Planned test flight is for Mid March.


Scheduled ETR is April 1st if it stays on schedule........
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:43 am

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Looks like SEA will be doing the post delivery mod on N24972. There is no date or flight number at this time.

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