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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:03 am

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I guess it depends on the price. If it's the right price, with favorable terms for engine parts - maybe from easyJet's spares, they might be interested.

I agree with you that it is unlikely.



Easyjet 319s are confirmed, with CFM motors. Plan is to build up to a fleet with “critical mass” (more than what’s going to be ordered initially) to make the new engines cost-effective. Well-placed source; you can book it.

Apologies if it’s mentioned and I missed it, but how many 319’s more for UA to get to “critical mass?” Thanks


Probably 30-40.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:53 am

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Easyjet 319s are confirmed, with CFM motors. Plan is to build up to a fleet with “critical mass” (more than what’s going to be ordered initially) to make the new engines cost-effective. Well-placed source; you can book it.


This might be a sign that UA has finally scrapped the idea of acquiring a new, smaller narrowbody as a way of increasing "passenger-friendly" 76-seaters to the regional fleet count. The 319 isn't the most efficient machine out there but when you toss in fleet commonality savings and an extra 20-25 seats to potentially sell on any given flight this might just be the best alternative to a 100-seater joining the fleet.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:17 pm

Does anyone know what ended up happening to the Air Berlin 319s. I know that Easy Jet picked up 25 aircraft as part of the Air Berlin bankruptcy but don't recall hearing which aircraft they took as part of the deal. There was a short lived rumor that UA was going to pick up some of the Easy jet assets at one point but the same CFM motor concern was raised then as well. Depending on the fate of those aircraft, UA may be able to pick up enough to get to critical mass to make the CFM motors make sense.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:36 pm

Looking through easy Jet fleet information on the internet, they really want to boost seat size and dump many 319s.
Their 319s have a second overwing exit due to density of 156 currently in all Y seating.
One source said they were to dump 30 319's. Other sources say they are acquiring Air Berlin assets.
In 2013 their fleet plan earnings call said they would reduce 319s to 25% of their fleet, but the fleet total could be variable by about 100 aircraft to adjust to the economy.
easy Jet has started taking 320NEO and have some 321NEOs.
According to AirFleets 47 319s are leased and 39 are owned from a total of 86 319s.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:10 pm

So these Easyjet 319's will have 4 overwing exits? As long as United isn't seeking them for that reason...
AA has both engine types, and isn't rushing to eliminate one. Perhaps UA will concentrate them out of one or two hubs to limit the number of redundant parts, and maintenance headaches.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:14 pm

I wonder if the extraneous 319 exits would get plugged like happens on the 739s today.
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:25 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
Looking through easy Jet fleet information on the internet, they really want to boost seat size and dump many 319s.
Their 319s have a second overwing exit due to density of 156 currently in all Y seating.
One source said they were to dump 30 319's. Other sources say they are acquiring Air Berlin assets.
In 2013 their fleet plan earnings call said they would reduce 319s to 25% of their fleet, but the fleet total could be variable by about 100 aircraft to adjust to the economy.
easy Jet has started taking 320NEO and have some 321NEOs.
According to AirFleets 47 319s are leased and 39 are owned from a total of 86 319s.


The second OW exit could very easily be plugged and deactivated to match the rest of the UAL 319s. The aft layout will have to be modified as well.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:43 pm

The first exit on easyJet could be plugged. If you look closely at easyJet and UA 319s the overwing windows are in the same position with additional room around the window that's an exit on easy Jet. UA would just plug the first exit.
easyJet units have an extra window aft as there are seats right in front of the exits vs. UA's configuration. UA could plug or just pull the window shade down. I would guess UA would leave both lavs at the back of the aircraft and put 2 galley units just ahead of the back doors. Configurations weren't changed when China southern 319s joined the fleet.
Stuff on the internet indicated easyJet wanted to dump 30 319s. I just hope the induction could be streamlined vs. China Southern's, which have run from 3 to 5 months.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:48 pm

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codc10 wrote:
jetmatt777 wrote:

I guess it depends on the price. If it's the right price, with favorable terms for engine parts - maybe from easyJet's spares, they might be interested.

I agree with you that it is unlikely.



Easyjet 319s are confirmed, with CFM motors. Plan is to build up to a fleet with “critical mass” (more than what’s going to be ordered initially) to make the new engines cost-effective. Well-placed source; you can book it.

Apologies if it’s mentioned and I missed it, but how many 319’s more for UA to get to “critical mass?” Thanks

Ship #wise 4300-4500 series are open so plenty of room to get critical massed. The current 319s are 4000, exCZ 4800. 320s are spread higgley piggily over 41,42,46,47, and 4900 range.. a leftover of sUA permerger TED experiment I believe. (Well 49 is just the two exCZ.. perhaps more to come later ?)
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:03 pm

jetblastdubai wrote:
codc10 wrote:
Easyjet 319s are confirmed, with CFM motors. Plan is to build up to a fleet with “critical mass” (more than what’s going to be ordered initially) to make the new engines cost-effective. Well-placed source; you can book it.


This might be a sign that UA has finally scrapped the idea of acquiring a new, smaller narrowbody as a way of increasing "passenger-friendly" 76-seaters to the regional fleet count. The 319 isn't the most efficient machine out there but when you toss in fleet commonality savings and an extra 20-25 seats to potentially sell on any given flight this might just be the best alternative to a 100-seater joining the fleet.

My impression is this is exactly the case... it solves the issue as well as current matters allow.. I would think 73Gs would be a better fit for this, but there seem plenty more 319s available than Gs sooooo..... :scratchchin:
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:10 pm

iahcsr wrote:
jetblastdubai wrote:
codc10 wrote:
Easyjet 319s are confirmed, with CFM motors. Plan is to build up to a fleet with “critical mass” (more than what’s going to be ordered initially) to make the new engines cost-effective. Well-placed source; you can book it.


This might be a sign that UA has finally scrapped the idea of acquiring a new, smaller narrowbody as a way of increasing "passenger-friendly" 76-seaters to the regional fleet count. The 319 isn't the most efficient machine out there but when you toss in fleet commonality savings and an extra 20-25 seats to potentially sell on any given flight this might just be the best alternative to a 100-seater joining the fleet.

My impression is this is exactly the case... it solves the issue as well as current matters allow.. I would think 73Gs would be a better fit for this, but there seem plenty more 319s available than Gs sooooo..... :scratchchin:


WN seems to have basically taken any 73G that was on the market.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:22 pm

iahcsr wrote:
jetblastdubai wrote:
codc10 wrote:
Easyjet 319s are confirmed, with CFM motors. Plan is to build up to a fleet with “critical mass” (more than what’s going to be ordered initially) to make the new engines cost-effective. Well-placed source; you can book it.


This might be a sign that UA has finally scrapped the idea of acquiring a new, smaller narrowbody as a way of increasing "passenger-friendly" 76-seaters to the regional fleet count. The 319 isn't the most efficient machine out there but when you toss in fleet commonality savings and an extra 20-25 seats to potentially sell on any given flight this might just be the best alternative to a 100-seater joining the fleet.

My impression is this is exactly the case... it solves the issue as well as current matters allow.. I would think 73Gs would be a better fit for this, but there seem plenty more 319s available than Gs sooooo..... :scratchchin:


Agree... three things at play here. First, the capital cost of acquiring new CSeries or E195E2 is significant, and with mainline staffing, they aren't going to be very high-margin airplanes. Second, used 319s of reasonable age (7-15 years) are starting to shake loose as leases expire, and many carriers are looking to upgauge, with incredible production rates of new airplanes coupled with attractive financing means carriers are moving on from the 130-150 seat category into the 160-190 seat band. This pushes down acquisition costs such that a 319 becomes a solid proposition AND offers additional revenue generating capability versus a 110-120 seater. Third, United pilots are not budging on scope. They aren't going to let the company bring more 76-seaters on contract without a NSNB, and the A319 doesn't count. UA has to fund its growth somehow, so 30-50 used A319s at the low end of the mainline fleet makes a great deal of sense.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:42 pm

It seems UA has tha NB fleet issues sorted out rather well.. WB, specifically 767 size/range replacement, is quite another matter.. :banghead: :stirthepot: :scratchchin: :white:
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:25 pm

codc10 wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
jetblastdubai wrote:

This might be a sign that UA has finally scrapped the idea of acquiring a new, smaller narrowbody as a way of increasing "passenger-friendly" 76-seaters to the regional fleet count. The 319 isn't the most efficient machine out there but when you toss in fleet commonality savings and an extra 20-25 seats to potentially sell on any given flight this might just be the best alternative to a 100-seater joining the fleet.

My impression is this is exactly the case... it solves the issue as well as current matters allow.. I would think 73Gs would be a better fit for this, but there seem plenty more 319s available than Gs sooooo..... :scratchchin:


Agree... three things at play here. First, the capital cost of acquiring new CSeries or E195E2 is significant, and with mainline staffing, they aren't going to be very high-margin airplanes. Second, used 319s of reasonable age (7-15 years) are starting to shake loose as leases expire, and many carriers are looking to upgauge, with incredible production rates of new airplanes coupled with attractive financing means carriers are moving on from the 130-150 seat category into the 160-190 seat band. This pushes down acquisition costs such that a 319 becomes a solid proposition AND offers additional revenue generating capability versus a 110-120 seater. Third, United pilots are not budging on scope. They aren't going to let the company bring more 76-seaters on contract without a NSNB, and the A319 doesn't count. UA has to fund its growth somehow, so 30-50 used A319s at the low end of the mainline fleet makes a great deal of sense.


Does UA have the necessary amount of pilots to add 30 additional A319 aircraft?
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:44 pm

78J configuration will be:

44J/21W/253Y/C 318 total.
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:56 pm

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78J configuration will be:

44J/21W/253Y/C 318 total.

Interesting...20% of the plane sold at a premium. The W seats certainly reduced the J seat count, since the 789 has more J seats. You could certainly say the -10 will be used on shorter flights and therefore less premium needed, but I also see future reconfigurations reducing J count. UA is more premium heavy than their competitors on the -8 and -9s so it makes sense.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:23 pm

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codc10 wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
My impression is this is exactly the case... it solves the issue as well as current matters allow.. I would think 73Gs would be a better fit for this, but there seem plenty more 319s available than Gs sooooo..... :scratchchin:


Agree... three things at play here. First, the capital cost of acquiring new CSeries or E195E2 is significant, and with mainline staffing, they aren't going to be very high-margin airplanes. Second, used 319s of reasonable age (7-15 years) are starting to shake loose as leases expire, and many carriers are looking to upgauge, with incredible production rates of new airplanes coupled with attractive financing means carriers are moving on from the 130-150 seat category into the 160-190 seat band. This pushes down acquisition costs such that a 319 becomes a solid proposition AND offers additional revenue generating capability versus a 110-120 seater. Third, United pilots are not budging on scope. They aren't going to let the company bring more 76-seaters on contract without a NSNB, and the A319 doesn't count. UA has to fund its growth somehow, so 30-50 used A319s at the low end of the mainline fleet makes a great deal of sense.


Does UA have the necessary amount of pilots to add 30 additional A319 aircraft?


2019 deliveries and beyond, so they'll certainly be able to hire, train and staff the fleet. UA flight ops is a bit overstaffed at the point, too (but don't ask a pilot)!

iahcsr wrote:
It seems UA has tha NB fleet issues sorted out rather well.. WB, specifically 767 size/range replacement, is quite another matter.. :banghead: :stirthepot: :scratchchin: :white:


The first batch of (7) 763ER have been identified for retirement inside of the next three years, believe them to be N652UA, 653, 657, 658, 661, 662, 663.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:32 pm

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CONTACREW wrote:
78J configuration will be:

44J/21W/253Y/C 318 total.

Interesting...20% of the plane sold at a premium. The W seats certainly reduced the J seat count, since the 789 has more J seats. You could certainly say the -10 will be used on shorter flights and therefore less premium needed, but I also see future reconfigurations reducing J count.


This will not be the case on the Polaris/Premium Plus 777-200s and -300s. They will retain their respective 50 and 60 seat Polaris cabins. The Premium Plus cabins will diminish the number of Economy Plus seats.

Additionally, there is a very interesting configuration coming to at least some of the 767-300 fleet. Stay tuned....
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:10 pm

mmahpeel wrote:
boilerla wrote:
CONTACREW wrote:
78J configuration will be:

44J/21W/253Y/C 318 total.

Interesting...20% of the plane sold at a premium. The W seats certainly reduced the J seat count, since the 789 has more J seats. You could certainly say the -10 will be used on shorter flights and therefore less premium needed, but I also see future reconfigurations reducing J count.


This will not be the case on the Polaris/Premium Plus 777-200s and -300s. They will retain their respective 50 and 60 seat Polaris cabins. The Premium Plus cabins will diminish the number of Economy Plus seats.

Additionally, there is a very interesting configuration coming to at least some of the 767-300 fleet. Stay tuned....



I see that. Hmmmmmm
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:35 pm

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78J configuration will be:

44J/21W/253Y/C 318 total.


First of all, 318 pax. Nice ride with what will be great money maker which is slotted between 77E and 77W nicely. I'm surprised that it was not 50J but I'm sure there's a reason when we see a floorplan. 21W is smaller than I thought on a 300 seat a/c, but again the floorplan might make it all fit.

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Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:50 pm

Will we see a 787 top up order in 2018 or even possibly in the Q1 SEC filing? On the widebody side, only 14 78J's on order + 1 more 777W in Q4. With a 2 year lead time based on the AA order, you'd suspect one, especially if this is true:
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EssentialBusDC wrote:
mmahpeel wrote:
boilerla wrote:
Interesting...20% of the plane sold at a premium. The W seats certainly reduced the J seat count, since the 789 has more J seats. You could certainly say the -10 will be used on shorter flights and therefore less premium needed, but I also see future reconfigurations reducing J count.


This will not be the case on the Polaris/Premium Plus 777-200s and -300s. They will retain their respective 50 and 60 seat Polaris cabins. The Premium Plus cabins will diminish the number of Economy Plus seats.

Additionally, there is a very interesting configuration coming to at least some of the 767-300 fleet. Stay tuned....



I see that. Hmmmmmm


76L...
 
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:41 am

So when are we going to see dedicated 767 Polaris routes. With 6 frames active, soon 7 and 9 within 6-8 weeks, there are definitely enough frames to start building dedicated service. For example, there are enough frames to put all LHR routes (EWR/ORD) on Polaris if such was a warranted marketing strategy. I just feel there is a missed opportunity to market a superior product on certain routes right now vs the random distribution so far. I get it when you have 2-3 frames. Now there are more active 767s with Polaris than there remains 3-Class 767s.
 
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:53 am

763 (2-Class):
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73G:
N39728 entered MIA 2777/12Apr for slimintes
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N25705 only remaining non-slimline Domestic 737NG

763:
N673UA entered MIA 2779/12Apr

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Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:27 am

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Will we see a 787 top up order in 2018 or even possibly in the Q1 SEC filing? On the widebody side, only 14 78J's on order + 1 more 777W in Q4. With a 2 year lead time based on the AA order, you'd suspect one, especially if this is true:
The first batch of (7) 763ER have been identified for retirement inside of the next three years, believe them to be N652UA, 653, 657, 658, 661, 662, 663.

Those are the oldest two class/non Polaris, ‘92-‘93 builds. Leaving Polaris the oldest ‘91-‘93 and rest all ‘98-‘01. With 18 new WBs incoming (including the 3 HA 767s) this is a net gain of 11. Does UA want/need additional capacity belong this ?
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:59 am

I for one am thrilled about 30 or 40 A319s. With the new interior they are really nice inside. I much prefer them to any 737...although I cannot wait to fly the MAX.
As for international Polaris wide bodies, once the enormous Polaris Lounge opens at EWR this summer (hopefully) it would be smart to have dedicated Polaris aircraft to at least LHR. That is such a competitive route. Having the full Polaris experience from gate to deplaning at LHR would go a long way for UA’s reputation in the NYC area.
So, would UA ever consider using any of these 319s to copy BA? EWR to London City, all Premium configuration? Could be great for the financial sector from Manhattan to London City, and the banks are building more and more skyscrapers in Jersey City! Plenty of rich financial people live in palaces in North Jersey too.
Does UA have many financial services contracts?
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I for one am thrilled about 30 or 40 A319s. With the new interior they are really nice inside. I much prefer them to any 737...although I cannot wait to fly the MAX.
As for international Polaris wide bodies, once the enormous Polaris Lounge opens at EWR this summer (hopefully) it would be smart to have dedicated Polaris aircraft to at least LHR. That is such a competitive route. Having the full Polaris experience from gate to deplaning at LHR would go a long way for UA’s reputation in the NYC area.
So, would UA ever consider using any of these 319s to copy BA? EWR to London City, all Premium configuration? Could be great for the financial sector from Manhattan to London City, and the banks are building more and more skyscrapers in Jersey City! Plenty of rich financial people live in palaces in North Jersey too.
Does UA have many financial services contracts?


319s can’t operate out of LCY.

UA has contracts with several major financial services institutions.
 
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As for international Polaris wide bodies, once the enormous Polaris Lounge opens at EWR this summer (hopefully) it would be smart to have dedicated Polaris aircraft to at least LHR. That is such a competitive route. Having the full Polaris experience from gate to deplaning at LHR would go a long way for UA’s reputation in the NYC area.


There wil be 14 763 Polaris aircraft by Fall. There are 6 now and soon to be 7.
If UA wants to segregate these aircraft, I think they would consider the following packages, maybe in this order:
6 units 5 RTs EWR-LHR - there is plenty of aircraft time for maint work in LHR and an overnight in EWR.
3 units 3 RT's ORD-LHR - not much maint time, but can mix in with EWR-LHR operation.
4 units for 3 RT IAD-LHR - one aircraft in IAD would have a 20+ hour layover or swap with other IAD-LHR flights. If that long turn is being used currently to operate other flights, then adding IAD would use more than 4 units total to operate. One round trip could be removed from Polaris is keep utilize this aircraft time and reduce IAD-LHR count to 3 units needed.
1 unit for a spare OR for a round trip to ORD-AMS, ORD-BRU or ORD-CDG.
Total 14 units
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:34 pm

A few more new upcoming configurations with Polaris and new premium economy product.

763 - 46J22W99Y (talk about an extremely premium aircraft)
772 - 50J24W202Y
773 - 60J24W266Y
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LAXintl wrote:
A few more new upcoming configurations with Polaris and new premium economy product.

763 - 46J22W99Y (talk about an extremely premium aircraft)


wow...any idea on where they plan on using those ships out of? LHR?
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A few more new upcoming configurations with Polaris and new premium economy product.

763 - 46J22W99Y (talk about an extremely premium aircraft)
772 - 50J24W202Y
773 - 60J24W266Y

Wow, 763 config is surprising. This is an interesting development when DL and AA are moving onto smaller premium cabin. For the others, it is that 4 rows of Y+ are replaced by 3 rows of W.

That 763 config could be next PS.
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:53 pm

Wow, I wonder how much one leg across the pond that one airplane could make should most of the Premium seats be purchased?

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HeeseokKoo wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
A few more new upcoming configurations with Polaris and new premium economy product.

763 - 46J22W99Y (talk about an extremely premium aircraft)
772 - 50J24W202Y
773 - 60J24W266Y

Wow, 763 config is surprising. This is an interesting development when DL and AA are moving onto smaller premium cabin. For the others, it is that 4 rows of Y+ are replaced by 3 rows of W.

I wonder what the Y+ mix will be on these super premium 763s. 7 rows of Y+ and 7 rows of regular Y?
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Does UA have the necessary amount of pilots to add 30 additional A319 aircraft?


Yes, according to my sources. They claim that the 777s and 787s are well over-staffed as the result of 747 pilots bumping in to those fleets as the 747s were retired. They didn't seem to know when, or if, a bid to forcibly pare down the over-staffing would happen, though.

And in any case, plenty of new-hires are available still - most regional pilots still look to move up to a major carrier.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:10 pm

adamblang wrote:
I wonder what the Y+ mix will be on these super premium 763s. 7 rows of Y+ and 7 rows of regular Y?

Hard to imagine at the moment, since the new config is an enormous change. J will possibly cover all the way up to the wing exit, from which W and Y will begin. Don't know how much space left for Y+ vs Y.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:12 pm

VC10er wrote:
Wow, I wonder how much one leg across the pond that one airplane could make should most of the Premium seats be purchased?

A friend just asked me the craziest question and the answer is on the tip of my tongue! What was the name United had for their liquid hand soap and hand cream in the 1990’s? I am sure it was a made up name to sound fancy but was probably generic liquids inside. It was 2 names like “Cromwell &......”
My friend and I used to joke about going to a fancy store to ask for it. Anyone remember?
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:38 pm

LAXintl wrote:
A few more new upcoming configurations with Polaris and new premium economy product.

763 - 46J22W99Y (talk about an extremely premium aircraft)
772 - 50J24W202Y
773 - 60J24W266Y


Suspect the mix goes to 46E+/156Y on the 772 and 62E+/204Y on the 77W, with a great mini-cabin for Premium Plus on the 77W. The floor space suggests the W cabins could be pitched at 45", which is better than DL or AA are doing with their W products. A more-standard 38" pitch conversely would allow installation of cabin monuments like a closet in the W cabin. Even a fixed bulkhead wouldn't take up that much space. Pretty interesting...

As for the 76L, no clue... J would have to extend to at least the exit rows, with two more lavs, and most likely a second business class galley complex in the mid-cabin. 22 seats suggests three full rows of 2-2-2 plus two pairs of outboard seats. In Y, you'd probably be looking at 3 rows of E+ (plus two crew rest seats in the last two rows), removal of the center pair of lavs to create 6 rather undesirable Y seats, for a mix of 23Y+/66Y.

I wonder how many ships would have such a configuration, and where they'd be deployed.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:53 pm

codc10 wrote:
VC10er wrote:
Wow, I wonder how much one leg across the pond that one airplane could make should most of the Premium seats be purchased?

A friend just asked me the craziest question and the answer is on the tip of my tongue! What was the name United had for their liquid hand soap and hand cream in the 1990’s? I am sure it was a made up name to sound fancy but was probably generic liquids inside. It was 2 names like “Cromwell &......”
My friend and I used to joke about going to a fancy store to ask for it. Anyone remember?
It predates the days when real brands were selected, like Cowshed. I can see the label but it’s wracking my brain!


Crabtree & Evelyn


No, that’s a real brand. This was a brand that United created. But sounded like Crabtree & Evelyn or Casswell Massey. Was it “Crawford & Williams?” — I think it was, it may have just come back to me!
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:53 pm

codc10 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
A few more new upcoming configurations with Polaris and new premium economy product.

763 - 46J22W99Y (talk about an extremely premium aircraft)
772 - 50J24W202Y
773 - 60J24W266Y


Suspect the mix goes to 46E+/156Y on the 772 and 62E+/204Y on the 77W, with a great mini-cabin for Premium Plus on the 77W. The floor space suggests the W cabins could be pitched at 45", which is better than DL or AA are doing with their W products. A more-standard 38" pitch conversely would allow installation of cabin monuments like a closet in the W cabin. Even a fixed bulkhead wouldn't take up that much space. Pretty interesting...

As for the 76L, no clue... J would have to extend to at least the exit rows, with two more lavs, and most likely a second business class galley complex in the mid-cabin. 22 seats suggests three full rows of 2-2-2 plus two pairs of outboard seats. In Y, you'd probably be looking at 3 rows of E+ (plus two crew rest seats in the last two rows), removal of the center pair of lavs to create 6 rather undesirable Y seats, for a mix of 23Y+/66Y.

I wonder how many ships would have such a configuration, and where they'd be deployed.


Could the 76L be new PS aircraft? Introducing Polaris on trans con premium heavy routes.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:59 pm

CriticalPoint wrote:
codc10 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
A few more new upcoming configurations with Polaris and new premium economy product.

763 - 46J22W99Y (talk about an extremely premium aircraft)
772 - 50J24W202Y
773 - 60J24W266Y


Suspect the mix goes to 46E+/156Y on the 772 and 62E+/204Y on the 77W, with a great mini-cabin for Premium Plus on the 77W. The floor space suggests the W cabins could be pitched at 45", which is better than DL or AA are doing with their W products. A more-standard 38" pitch conversely would allow installation of cabin monuments like a closet in the W cabin. Even a fixed bulkhead wouldn't take up that much space. Pretty interesting...

As for the 76L, no clue... J would have to extend to at least the exit rows, with two more lavs, and most likely a second business class galley complex in the mid-cabin. 22 seats suggests three full rows of 2-2-2 plus two pairs of outboard seats. In Y, you'd probably be looking at 3 rows of E+ (plus two crew rest seats in the last two rows), removal of the center pair of lavs to create 6 rather undesirable Y seats, for a mix of 23Y+/66Y.

I wonder how many ships would have such a configuration, and where they'd be deployed.


Could the 76L be new PS aircraft? Introducing Polaris on trans con premium heavy routes.


Almost has to be. It would be a good competitive a/c for UA for sure. The 752 PS units are getting old and tired and this would make sense to move them. With the 3 HA 763's + 12 78J's + 1 77W coming online, it would be a 16 for 16 swap. With the rumored retirement of several 767's, it almost ensures UA will have a top up order of 787's or acquire some used 763's.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:00 pm

Polaris/PremiumPlus/EconomyPlus/Economy breadowns:

772 - 50-24-46-165
773 - 60-24-62-204
781 - 44-21-54-199

76L - 46-22-47-52
One can speculate where this configuration will be deployed. Could it also be used for sports charters? Very curious to see what is planned...
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:04 pm

CriticalPoint wrote:

Could the 76L be new PS aircraft? Introducing Polaris on trans con premium heavy routes.


My bet is on "yes". This would be the perfect ship/configuration for the mission. Premium (very) heavy, widebody atmosphere and not downgrading to a smaller A/C like A321 Transcon operators have done. UA flies PS/Coast in mostly very congested airports so it makes sense to offer larger A/C since adding frequency isn't always feasible.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:49 pm

I wouldn't be surprised to see the 76L configuration used on both domestic and international routes. You could fairly easily rotate aircraft between EWR-SFO, EWR-LAX, and EWR-LHR.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:06 pm

Heard that GUM-SPN is going once daily with 738 and Cape Air is gone after 5/31/18. ROP discontinued.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:39 pm

Here diagrams

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777-300ER
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787-10
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:03 pm

jetblastdubai wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:

Could the 76L be new PS aircraft? Introducing Polaris on trans con premium heavy routes.


My bet is on "yes". This would be the perfect ship/configuration for the mission. Premium (very) heavy, widebody atmosphere and not downgrading to a smaller A/C like A321 Transcon operators have done. UA flies PS/Coast in mostly very congested airports so it makes sense to offer larger A/C since adding frequency isn't always feasible.


The configuration shows a crew rest so probably not for exclusively domestic flying.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:19 pm

Interesting they are adding the new premium economy product by reducing regular economy seats. Both AA and DL opted to reduce business class.

Seems UA is quite set on having heavy premium configs again. However was this not a historic handicap for UA by not having frames flexible enough to serve markets that simply did not need the volume of premium seats? Its great to have so many premium seats, but there is a finite number of markets that require such.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:21 pm

United1 wrote:
jetblastdubai wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:

Could the 76L be new PS aircraft? Introducing Polaris on trans con premium heavy routes.


My bet is on "yes". This would be the perfect ship/configuration for the mission. Premium (very) heavy, widebody atmosphere and not downgrading to a smaller A/C like A321 Transcon operators have done. UA flies PS/Coast in mostly very congested airports so it makes sense to offer larger A/C since adding frequency isn't always feasible.


The configuration shows a crew rest so probably not for exclusively domestic flying.



I love that the 2 section is E+ vs. the 3 section.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:22 pm

The 76L configuration is one of the crazier layouts I've seen... seems that one pair of OW exits is deactivated, and I suppose UA expects to get a full business class service for 46 pax out of the forward galley? No wonder the Polaris service changes came about...

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