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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed May 23, 2018 12:00 pm

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springtx wrote:
7501 arrived Hou April 24th and was there for 21 days before it went to SKF, from 21 days down to 4 is remarkable

I would imagine most of that time could be attributed to familiarization/training of tech personnel on the new type. They would’ve flown people in from other stations for this purpose.


The 1st 777W did not take that long, and it was more of a new type than the 777-200
 
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Thu May 24, 2018 4:33 pm

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N37504 sked 2698 & 2699/25May SFO-HNL-SFO - ETOPS proving runs
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Thu May 24, 2018 4:56 pm

I usually never fly UNITED but I did 3 days ago on SFO - SAN.
The aircraft was the A320 N427UA. Delivered in 1995.
23 years old and it really shows its age : cabin walls, colors, seats, lavatories, everything looked sooooo outdated. Didn’t knwo they were still flying those old A320.
Do they plan to retire them soon ? If not, they badly need to be revamped.
 
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Thu May 24, 2018 5:26 pm

FlySSC wrote:
I usually never fly UNITED but I did 3 days ago on SFO - SAN.
The aircraft was the A320 N427UA. Delivered in 1995.
23 years old and it really shows its age : cabin walls, colors, seats, lavatories, everything looked sooooo outdated. Didn’t knwo they were still flying those old A320.
Do they plan to retire them soon ? If not, they badly need to be revamped.


I know at the end of the day it doesn’t matter but I do wish UA would get rid of the early 1990s sidewalls, lame floral lavatory motif, and yellow cabin lighting, but I guess it pairs well with the early 1990s globe.
 
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Thu May 24, 2018 9:39 pm

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Thu May 24, 2018 9:45 pm

FlySSC wrote:
I usually never fly UNITED but I did 3 days ago on SFO - SAN.
The aircraft was the A320 N427UA. Delivered in 1995.
23 years old and it really shows its age : cabin walls, colors, seats, lavatories, everything looked sooooo outdated. Didn’t knwo they were still flying those old A320.
Do they plan to retire them soon ? If not, they badly need to be revamped.

UA is well into a refurbishment program on these craft. No retirements currently planned... Need to get replacements in place first... which is also being attended too at this time.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu May 24, 2018 10:02 pm

iahcsr wrote:
FlySSC wrote:
I usually never fly UNITED but I did 3 days ago on SFO - SAN.
The aircraft was the A320 N427UA. Delivered in 1995.
23 years old and it really shows its age : cabin walls, colors, seats, lavatories, everything looked sooooo outdated. Didn’t knwo they were still flying those old A320.
Do they plan to retire them soon ? If not, they badly need to be revamped.

UA is well into a refurbishment program on these craft. No retirements currently planned... Need to get replacements in place first... which is also being attended too at this time.


Including the sidewalls?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu May 24, 2018 11:00 pm

iahcsr wrote:
FlySSC wrote:
I usually never fly UNITED but I did 3 days ago on SFO - SAN.
The aircraft was the A320 N427UA. Delivered in 1995.
23 years old and it really shows its age : cabin walls, colors, seats, lavatories, everything looked sooooo outdated. Didn’t knwo they were still flying those old A320.
Do they plan to retire them soon ? If not, they badly need to be revamped.

UA is well into a refurbishment program on these craft. No retirements currently planned... Need to get replacements in place first... which is also being attended too at this time.

Per the sticky of plane modifications at the beginning of the thread,

All 319/320’s have the new first class seats, and bigger overhead bins and slimline seats. I believe with the new first class seat mod, they also installed new carpet. So the cabin should not be looking outdated compared to any other 319/320 United flies. They all should look newish.
 
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Fri May 25, 2018 5:48 am

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N37506 C1(?) 24May.. Someone seems to have forgotten about 7505, still not showing as flown.
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Fri May 25, 2018 5:54 am

iahcsr wrote:
39M
N37506 C1(?) 24May.. Someone seems to have forgotten about 7505, still not showing as flown.


#5 just got out of paint.
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Fri May 25, 2018 6:40 am

jetero wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
FlySSC wrote:
I usually never fly UNITED but I did 3 days ago on SFO - SAN.
The aircraft was the A320 N427UA. Delivered in 1995.
23 years old and it really shows its age : cabin walls, colors, seats, lavatories, everything looked sooooo outdated. Didn’t knwo they were still flying those old A320.
Do they plan to retire them soon ? If not, they badly need to be revamped.

UA is well into a refurbishment program on these craft. No retirements currently planned... Need to get replacements in place first... which is also being attended too at this time.


Including the sidewalls?


Hopefully, while they’re at it, replace the sidewalls on the pre-sky interior 73NG fleet, 752/3 and 772 fleet as well.

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Fri May 25, 2018 10:35 am

I will always choose a UA Airbus when possible because the seats are better in F than the 737s. I will pay more for a flight that’s 3+ hours. I am one who really nit picks the details, but so long as the seats, carpets and overhead bins are new (hopefully bulkheads) I can deal with the old sidewalls and 1990s floral lav’s (actually I enjoy the floral as they remind me of better days!) Flying today is always such an exhausting experience, so most of the time I simply want to know a 25 year old bird is well maintained.
I would assume replacing sidewalls would be extremely expensive so I’d cut them some slack there if everything else was modern and clean. In my experience UA is often very clean.
As for Y, there is no longer such a thing as a comfortable economy seat, is there?. Every airline has moved to slimline seats all of which require a visit to the chiropractor after a 3 hour flight.
I’ve never flown Southwest, I want to though, perhaps they have decent economy seats?
Yesterday I was on Avianca Brazil and their seats were much better on an all economy A320. I’m not sure if they were slimline. It was only a one hour flight from GRU to SDU.
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Fri May 25, 2018 10:37 am

Question: are all the UA 737-7 have the new F seat or are there still many to be renovated?
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Fri May 25, 2018 11:00 am

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Question: are all the UA 737-7 have the new F seat or are there still many to be renovated?


Totally agree with you VC10er, I’m a detail person and the clean lines of the new seats suit me fine. Yes last 73G has been reconfigured. Only 1 Guam bird left to go.
 
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Fri May 25, 2018 1:16 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
39M
N37506 C1(?) 24May.. Someone seems to have forgotten about 7505, still not showing as flown.


#5 just got out of paint.
https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 2021755905

Very nice. Does anyone know if there are going to be any changes to the configuration between the Max 9 and any of the 900ER configurations? Have any crew literature been updated to include it?
 
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Fri May 25, 2018 1:20 pm

jetero wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
FlySSC wrote:
I usually never fly UNITED but I did 3 days ago on SFO - SAN.
The aircraft was the A320 N427UA. Delivered in 1995.
23 years old and it really shows its age : cabin walls, colors, seats, lavatories, everything looked sooooo outdated. Didn’t knwo they were still flying those old A320.
Do they plan to retire them soon ? If not, they badly need to be revamped.

UA is well into a refurbishment program on these craft. No retirements currently planned... Need to get replacements in place first... which is also being attended too at this time.


Including the sidewalls?


I agree with the others here. United seems to do 90 percent of the job on refurb. Not sure why they did almost everything on the airbus fleet and let the lavs looking the way the did.
 
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Fri May 25, 2018 1:58 pm

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N778UA entered HKG 2780/23May, domestic unit for maint.i
N787UA sked test hop XMN, then 2790/23May XMN-HKG - thought this was a Polaris unit???
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Fri May 25, 2018 2:33 pm

UAinAUS wrote:
VC10er wrote:
Question: are all the UA 737-7 have the new F seat or are there still many to be renovated?


Totally agree with you VC10er, I’m a detail person and the clean lines of the new seats suit me fine. Yes last 73G has been reconfigured. Only 1 Guam bird left to go.


Ha! Thanks! I too love the look of those new UA F seats. Crisp and clean, and classy looking design. It’s also very considered thought through- with the best use of often limited space and storage and charging design. It may even effect my perception of comfort, but the bottom cushion that slides forward (“articulated recline”) is far superior to just a reclining back. I also think the small embroidered tag with branding is perfect. Subtle but just right. I think the slot that stows your laptop is brilliant but I would never use it as I know myself: I’d walk off the plane and forget it every time!
Now if UA would just stop taking pennies and nickels out of everything...as if we don’t notice things like the toothpaste tube, it’s is now so small there isn’t enough toothpaste for a Barbi to brush her teeth!
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Fri May 25, 2018 4:28 pm

gwrudolph wrote:
jetero wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
UA is well into a refurbishment program on these craft. No retirements currently planned... Need to get replacements in place first... which is also being attended too at this time.


Including the sidewalls?


I agree with the others here. United seems to do 90 percent of the job on refurb. Not sure why they did almost everything on the airbus fleet and let the lavs looking the way the did.


Given the recent trend with airlines installing lavs so small they can barely fit two pieces of paper stacked on top of each other, it's probably just as well that UA leaves the lavs as is.
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Fri May 25, 2018 5:15 pm

hOMSaR wrote:
gwrudolph wrote:
jetero wrote:

Including the sidewalls?


I agree with the others here. United seems to do 90 percent of the job on refurb. Not sure why they did almost everything on the airbus fleet and let the lavs looking the way the did.


Given the recent trend with airlines installing lavs so small they can barely fit two pieces of paper stacked on top of each other, it's probably just as well that UA leaves the lavs as is.


Are there any A320 family equivalents to the small 737 lavs?
 
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Fri May 25, 2018 6:42 pm

hOMSaR wrote:
gwrudolph wrote:
jetero wrote:

Including the sidewalls?


I agree with the others here. United seems to do 90 percent of the job on refurb. Not sure why they did almost everything on the airbus fleet and let the lavs looking the way the did.


Given the recent trend with airlines installing lavs so small they can barely fit two pieces of paper stacked on top of each other, it's probably just as well that UA leaves the lavs as is.


Ha fair enough. On the 777a lavs, it looks like they may have put new plastic laminate on the interior walls and freshened up the light. IMO it looks good. I believe the original laminate on the 777a walls was the same as the 319/20s. Assuming that they did in fact just freshen up the lavs on the 777a as I am thinking, wonder why they couldn't or didn't do the same on the 319/20s? Those 319/20 lavs really are like stepping back into the 90s, yet the rest of the aircraft looks good
 
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Fri May 25, 2018 7:43 pm

It’s a LAVATORY! How long is anybody in one to justify the cost of covering up a dated floral pattern so long as it is not wrecked or dirty? It’s not like they are sold as Economy Suites! If the old lavs are indeed bigger, just leave them for the few years they have left. I can’t believe “I AM” the one saying this but I actually agree that it’s a waste of money. I’d much prefer they take the same money and invest in a better economy class product where one sits cramped for hours.
I agree the pattern in blue, maroon and silver is like wallpaper from a suburban home in the 1980s, but I know that I’m in there a total of 4/7 minutes max. I can deal.
It’s not as half baked as the 3 Class 767s which were really a message to non-premium fliers on international routes that “you don’t count” - but it’s just a lav and maybe the new 737MAX’s will be pretty but only fit Shelly Duval!
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Fri May 25, 2018 11:24 pm

FlySSC wrote:
I usually never fly UNITED but I did 3 days ago on SFO - SAN.
The aircraft was the A320 N427UA. Delivered in 1995.
23 years old and it really shows its age : cabin walls, colors, seats, lavatories, everything looked sooooo outdated. Didn’t knwo they were still flying those old A320.
Do they plan to retire them soon ? If not, they badly need to be revamped.


Their fleet is being upgraded. From a passenger standpoint, I did not see any real difference in their Boeing and Airbus narrow body planes.
 
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Sat May 26, 2018 12:35 am

The airbuses are just fine. New carpets, and seats. Really like the new first class seats. I could care less about the decor in the bathroom.
To be honest have over 140 segments on United this year alone and cannot remember the decor in any aircraft lavatory and have used one on most flights.
 
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Sat May 26, 2018 12:50 am

cosyr wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
39M
N37506 C1(?) 24May.. Someone seems to have forgotten about 7505, still not showing as flown.


#5 just got out of paint.
https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 2021755905

Very nice. Does anyone know if there are going to be any changes to the configuration between the Max 9 and any of the 900ER configurations? Have any crew literature been updated to include it?

Same configuration as the 900s.
 
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Sat May 26, 2018 12:52 am

Bald1983 wrote:
FlySSC wrote:
I usually never fly UNITED but I did 3 days ago on SFO - SAN.
The aircraft was the A320 N427UA. Delivered in 1995.
23 years old and it really shows its age : cabin walls, colors, seats, lavatories, everything looked sooooo outdated. Didn’t knwo they were still flying those old A320.
Do they plan to retire them soon ? If not, they badly need to be revamped.


Their fleet is being upgraded. From a passenger standpoint, I did not see any real difference in their Boeing and Airbus narrow body planes.


There can be quite a variation in F.
 
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Sat May 26, 2018 5:50 am

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39M
N37506 C1(?) 24May...

Apparently this was a B2, not quite ready for UA to give it a test drive just yet.
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Sat May 26, 2018 6:10 am

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Are there any A320 family equivalents to the small 737 lavs?


Yes, sadly, Airbus has done the same thing, with SpaceFlex.
They've now crammed TWO lavatories AND a galley in the space aft of the aft exit doors.
So that's two lavatories in the space previously occupied by one.
There's so little room back there now, that the flight attendant jumpseat is screwed into the lavatory door! There's nowhere else to put it!
 
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Sat May 26, 2018 7:01 am

iahcsr wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
39M
N37506 C1(?) 24May...

Apparently this was a B2, not quite ready for UA to give it a test drive just yet.


7505 will fly a B1 tomorrow 5/26 .
7506 scheduled for a C1 also tomorrow 5/26 (subject to change)
 
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Sat May 26, 2018 2:40 pm

AA737-823 wrote:
jetero wrote:
Are there any A320 family equivalents to the small 737 lavs?


Yes, sadly, Airbus has done the same thing, with SpaceFlex.
They've now crammed TWO lavatories AND a galley in the space aft of the aft exit doors.
So that's two lavatories in the space previously occupied by one.
There's so little room back there now, that the flight attendant jumpseat is screwed into the lavatory door! There's nowhere else to put it!


Yikes. Guess I haven’t encountered that yet.

The worst thing about the 737 lavs (which I have used) for me is not really the size of the lavs, but the fact that they face each other. On many flights it’s so jammed up back there—horrible for people sitting in the last few rows. At least with the 739 you can use the front lav.
 
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Sat May 26, 2018 6:35 pm

jetero wrote:
AA737-823 wrote:
jetero wrote:
Are there any A320 family equivalents to the small 737 lavs?


Yes, sadly, Airbus has done the same thing, with SpaceFlex.
They've now crammed TWO lavatories AND a galley in the space aft of the aft exit doors.
So that's two lavatories in the space previously occupied by one.
There's so little room back there now, that the flight attendant jumpseat is screwed into the lavatory door! There's nowhere else to put it!


Yikes. Guess I haven’t encountered that yet.


None of UA Airbus aircraft have SpaceFlex but I think DL tried it on a few aircraft....IIRC there was a backlash from crew and they ended up reconfiguring those aircraft.
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Sat May 26, 2018 8:37 pm

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It’s a LAVATORY! How long is anybody in one to justify the cost of covering up a dated floral pattern so long as it is not wrecked or dirty? It’s not like they are sold as Economy Suites! If the old lavs are indeed bigger, just leave them for the few years they have left. I can’t believe “I AM” the one saying this but I actually agree that it’s a waste of money. I’d much prefer they take the same money and invest in a better economy class product where one sits cramped for hours.
I agree the pattern in blue, maroon and silver is like wallpaper from a suburban home in the 1980s, but I know that I’m in there a total of 4/7 minutes max. I can deal.
It’s not as half baked as the 3 Class 767s which were really a message to non-premium fliers on international routes that “you don’t count” - but it’s just a lav and maybe the new 737MAX’s will be pretty but only fit Shelly Duval!


I disagree. Either you refurb and make the entire aircraft look fresh and modern for the next 10 years of service or not.
 
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Sat May 26, 2018 9:24 pm

320:
N449UA - Revised exit date from DLH for 27-May/2691

E175:
N87360 - This aircraft was delivered back in December and still has not entered service yet.  Does anyone know what is going on with it?
N89349 - Parked at PHX since 6-April.  Does anyone know what is going on with it?

E170:
N809MD - This was being used as a temporary aircraft for UA but appears to be exclusively flying for AA now.  We can likely remove from the fleet site now.  

CR2:
N421ZW - Listed as still parked in South Carolina.  Does anyone know if it will eventually enter the UAX fleet?

E135:
All are still listed as flying for ExpressJet.  We can probably pull them out of Fleet Exit Prep status for now

ATR42:
N14834 - It's possible this aircraft may have been sold or is en-route back to the mainland for maintenance.  FR24 shows the aircraft en-route to Salina, KS as SXA457.  FlightAware very unique unique path back to the mainland.
 
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Sat May 26, 2018 9:58 pm

If anything UA should be applauded for not adding Space-Flex to their Airbus refurbishments. Likely costing them money to give PAX and crew more room to do their business.

United1 wrote:
None of UA Airbus aircraft have SpaceFlex but I think DL tried it on a few aircraft....IIRC there was a backlash from crew and they ended up reconfiguring those aircraft.


All of DL's A319/320/321s have Space-Flex. What you thinking of is DL removed a set of three seats in the A320 for more rear galley space. The slim lavs remain however.
 
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Sat May 26, 2018 10:08 pm

gwrudolph wrote:
VC10er wrote:
It’s a LAVATORY! How long is anybody in one to justify the cost of covering up a dated floral pattern so long as it is not wrecked or dirty? It’s not like they are sold as Economy Suites! If the old lavs are indeed bigger, just leave them for the few years they have left. I can’t believe “I AM” the one saying this but I actually agree that it’s a waste of money. I’d much prefer they take the same money and invest in a better economy class product where one sits cramped for hours.
I agree the pattern in blue, maroon and silver is like wallpaper from a suburban home in the 1980s, but I know that I’m in there a total of 4/7 minutes max. I can deal.
It’s not as half baked as the 3 Class 767s which were really a message to non-premium fliers on international routes that “you don’t count” - but it’s just a lav and maybe the new 737MAX’s will be pretty but only fit Shelly Duval!


I disagree. Either you refurb and make the entire aircraft look fresh and modern for the next 10 years of service or not.


Plus from the cost side it has to be de minimis.
 
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Sat May 26, 2018 11:57 pm

gwrudolph wrote:
VC10er wrote:
It’s a LAVATORY! How long is anybody in one to justify the cost of covering up a dated floral pattern so long as it is not wrecked or dirty? It’s not like they are sold as Economy Suites! If the old lavs are indeed bigger, just leave them for the few years they have left. I can’t believe “I AM” the one saying this but I actually agree that it’s a waste of money. I’d much prefer they take the same money and invest in a better economy class product where one sits cramped for hours.
I agree the pattern in blue, maroon and silver is like wallpaper from a suburban home in the 1980s, but I know that I’m in there a total of 4/7 minutes max. I can deal.
It’s not as half baked as the 3 Class 767s which were really a message to non-premium fliers on international routes that “you don’t count” - but it’s just a lav and maybe the new 737MAX’s will be pretty but only fit Shelly Duval!


I disagree. Either you refurb and make the entire aircraft look fresh and modern for the next 10 years of service or not.


I disagree. If I was Oscar and I found out someone spent millions of dollars covering wallpaper in good shape (even if dated looking to many- in a lav of a sub fleet where not many would even notice or care) instead of spending it by improving many other things that could truly improve or positively impact our passengers...I’d fire them immediately.
And NOBODY believes more in image or details than I do. Heck, UA just took the anti-slip treads off the Polaris socks, which probably saved them 1 cent per passenger? Or give passengers whole cashews! But spend millions covering walls in good shape because of some innocuous, barely noticeable design? I’ve seen that design for 30 years and unless the calking is falling off the walls and mirrors or the walls are dirty, scuffed, it’s fine. In fact my girlfriend from central New Jersey in 1980 would probably LOVE it!
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Sun May 27, 2018 5:59 am

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320:
N449UA - Revised exit date from DLH for 27-May/2691

E175:
N87360 - This aircraft was delivered back in December and still has not entered service yet.  Does anyone know what is going on with it?
N89349 - Parked at PHX since 6-April.  Does anyone know what is going on with it?.

I’ve not seen 360 myself, but Mesa Tech folk have told me it’s the go to plane for spare parts. It may one day actually fly paying passengers, but it’s missing quite a few bit and pieces atm. 349 may or may not be in the same condition.
39M
N37504 stopped by IAH tonight, so did a quick walk thru... inside looks like any other of the newer 900ERs... but with a few new touches. I CAN do a 360 in all the lavs.. and I’m not skinny in the least.
N47505 did finally do a B1 today 5/25
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Sun May 27, 2018 11:49 am

Yes plane 360 is a go to plane for spare parts, but my friend who’s a manager at Mesa said that UA told them to order 1 to many planes. Plane 360 puts the large RJs over there limit and so they aren’t allowed to fly it yet. Plane 349 is being used to train flight crews in PHX.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun May 27, 2018 12:36 pm

airmec7 wrote:
Yes plane 360 is a go to plane for spare parts, but my friend who’s a manager at Mesa said that UA told them to order 1 to many planes. Plane 360 puts the large RJs over there limit and so they aren’t allowed to fly it yet. Plane 349 is being used to train flight crews in PHX.


UA actually have given up one last CR7 so they have exactly the scope limit. 153 E175s + 38 E170s + 64 CR7s is 255 (scope Max). 360 can fly when it’s made whole :)
 
EssentialBusDC
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun May 27, 2018 2:10 pm

UAinAUS wrote:
airmec7 wrote:
Yes plane 360 is a go to plane for spare parts, but my friend who’s a manager at Mesa said that UA told them to order 1 to many planes. Plane 360 puts the large RJs over there limit and so they aren’t allowed to fly it yet. Plane 349 is being used to train flight crews in PHX.


UA actually have given up one last CR7 so they have exactly the scope limit. 153 E175s + 38 E170s + 64 CR7s is 255 (scope Max). 360 can fly when it’s made whole :)

ALPA notified the company a few weeks ago (formal cease and desist letter) that they were in violation of the scope limits of the contract with regards to the aircraft limits by having two more 70 seaters then allowed, and thus also exceeded the overall limit on 70/76 seaters. So not sure if that has been rectified yet or not.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun May 27, 2018 2:32 pm

VC10er wrote:
gwrudolph wrote:
VC10er wrote:
It’s a LAVATORY! How long is anybody in one to justify the cost of covering up a dated floral pattern so long as it is not wrecked or dirty? It’s not like they are sold as Economy Suites! If the old lavs are indeed bigger, just leave them for the few years they have left. I can’t believe “I AM” the one saying this but I actually agree that it’s a waste of money. I’d much prefer they take the same money and invest in a better economy class product where one sits cramped for hours.
I agree the pattern in blue, maroon and silver is like wallpaper from a suburban home in the 1980s, but I know that I’m in there a total of 4/7 minutes max. I can deal.
It’s not as half baked as the 3 Class 767s which were really a message to non-premium fliers on international routes that “you don’t count” - but it’s just a lav and maybe the new 737MAX’s will be pretty but only fit Shelly Duval!


I disagree. Either you refurb and make the entire aircraft look fresh and modern for the next 10 years of service or not.


I disagree. If I was Oscar and I found out someone spent millions of dollars covering wallpaper in good shape (even if dated looking to many- in a lav of a sub fleet where not many would even notice or care) instead of spending it by improving many other things that could truly improve or positively impact our passengers...I’d fire them immediately.
And NOBODY believes more in image or details than I do. Heck, UA just took the anti-slip treads off the Polaris socks, which probably saved them 1 cent per passenger? Or give passengers whole cashews! But spend millions covering walls in good shape because of some innocuous, barely noticeable design? I’ve seen that design for 30 years and unless the calking is falling off the walls and mirrors or the walls are dirty, scuffed, it’s fine. In fact my girlfriend from central New Jersey in 1980 would probably LOVE it!


That's ridiculous. In the big scheme of things, they are minimal cost. Moreover, they support (or tarnish) the brand image. Do you want your customers to think you have newer/updated aircraft or an old rundown fleet. Those details can make the difference.

If we follow your logic, there's no need to update, paint, replace wallcovering, outdated seating, etc in gate holdrooms. Might as well leave the flickering fluorescent bulbs on the 757s when you refurbish them as well. Should have kept the old carpeted bulkhead walls. Just leave everything exactly the way that it is as long as it is functional. Guessing that's not the brand image you want associated with an airline that is trying (and needs) to attract a revenue premium
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun May 27, 2018 4:13 pm

GmoneyCO wrote:
E175:
N87360 - This aircraft was delivered back in December and still has not entered service yet.  Does anyone know what is going on with it?
N89349 - Parked at PHX since 6-April.  Does anyone know what is going on with it?.


EssentialBusDC wrote:
UAinAUS wrote:
airmec7 wrote:
Yes plane 360 is a go to plane for spare parts, but my friend who’s a manager at Mesa said that UA told them to order 1 to many planes. Plane 360 puts the large RJs over there limit and so they aren’t allowed to fly it yet. Plane 349 is being used to train flight crews in PHX.


UA actually have given up one last CR7 so they have exactly the scope limit. 153 E175s + 38 E170s + 64 CR7s is 255 (scope Max). 360 can fly when it’s made whole :)

ALPA notified the company a few weeks ago (formal cease and desist letter) that they were in violation of the scope limits of the contract with regards to the aircraft limits by having two more 70 seaters then allowed, and thus also exceeded the overall limit on 70/76 seaters. So not sure if that has been rectified yet or not.


I heard some rumblings about this and was curious, so I asked for more details. IIRC, ALPA is accusing UA of adding two more CR7s and not withdrawing the promised 2 Mesa E175s -#349 and #360. I don't know if they have evidence that those two aircraft did actually fly revenue flights or not.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun May 27, 2018 5:43 pm

gwrudolph wrote:
VC10er wrote:
gwrudolph wrote:

I disagree. Either you refurb and make the entire aircraft look fresh and modern for the next 10 years of service or not.


I disagree. If I was Oscar and I found out someone spent millions of dollars covering wallpaper in good shape (even if dated looking to many- in a lav of a sub fleet where not many would even notice or care) instead of spending it by improving many other things that could truly improve or positively impact our passengers...I’d fire them immediately.
And NOBODY believes more in image or details than I do. Heck, UA just took the anti-slip treads off the Polaris socks, which probably saved them 1 cent per passenger? Or give passengers whole cashews! But spend millions covering walls in good shape because of some innocuous, barely noticeable design? I’ve seen that design for 30 years and unless the calking is falling off the walls and mirrors or the walls are dirty, scuffed, it’s fine. In fact my girlfriend from central New Jersey in 1980 would probably LOVE it!


That's ridiculous. In the big scheme of things, they are minimal cost. Moreover, they support (or tarnish) the brand image. Do you want your customers to think you have newer/updated aircraft or an old rundown fleet. Those details can make the difference.

If we follow your logic, there's no need to update, paint, replace wallcovering, outdated seating, etc in gate holdrooms. Might as well leave the flickering fluorescent bulbs on the 757s when you refurbish them as well. Should have kept the old carpeted bulkhead walls. Just leave everything exactly the way that it is as long as it is functional. Guessing that's not the brand image you want associated with an airline that is trying (and needs) to attract a revenue premium


You did NOT follow my logic one iota. You blew ONE small thing WAY out of proportion.
I think there is NOTHING more important than brand image delivered via crisp clean modern looking aircraft and great hard products such as seats. Also lounges, gate areas and every consumer touch point. AND one day a fresh new livery when United has earned the right to scream to the world that it’s a new airline with a new brand promise it can deliver on. Branding is the business I’m in and I was the Executive Creative Director of Landor for 24 years and have witnessed this from behind the scenes for all those years.. I’m talking about priorities only. Yes, agreed, the 752 interiors, especially in J is not worth $6500 to O Porto in their current condition. They need to come before Airbus lavatory walls. Especially if the rest of the Airbus cabins look great.
The only other thing that is equally (if not more important that the above) is stellar customer service.
My ONE single point was: if the lavatory with the dated floral pattern was in very good shape, and only to be found on some of the Airbus fleet, that given how unimportant that particular element is - the money could be better spent other places, Eg; by changing old bulkheads that pax stare at for hours, (a good example of something bad was opting NOT to install the new beautiful Polaris bulkheads on the 772). NOT putting the new domestic First seat on all the other 737s (not just the 737-700s). Stop reducing the quality and contents of the Polaris amenity kit. Offer PJs on all international overnight Polaris flights like their parters (LH) etc.
Now, if the lav looks shabby, then absolutely fix it.
I could spend a long time explaining the implementation of an airline branding overhaul and I swear that the smart folks in charge of the overhaul would take the budgets they have (which are always less than hoped) and spend the money wisely on the parts that will have the greatest impact first.
United has created a lot of beautifully designed elements but everyone is saying it’s taking too long.
Frankly I don’t know how much it would cost to renovate all the lavs with the old floral design- my assumption is that nothing is cheap in the aviation business. But if it’s actually cheap and easy to do: then by all means they should change it.
But if it’s 1 million bucks to change them all, I’d spend that million on as many fresh new bulkheads as possible vs looking at the plain blue unbranded ones.
To Most the Sky is The Limit, For me, the Sky is Home.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon May 28, 2018 1:49 pm

788:
N20904 entered PVG 891/27May

789:
N27958 sked to exit PVG 858/29May

Answers on another thread:
1. E175 N87360 has been cannibalised for parts before ever entering service. It is parked at IAH.
2. E175 N89349 was leased to Embraer as a sales model. It is currently parked at PHX due to Mesa staffing issues.
3. E170 N809MD is a floater aircraft for Republic. It can be used on UAX flights anytime needed (UA even uploaded it’s different seatmap to the website.
4. CR2 N421ZW has been stored. It was never repainted into UAX livery. It is fully owned by Air Wisconsin and is an older frame, so my guess is it is being used for parts and/or being stored until another frame reaches limits.
5. E135’s: all 3 had been undergoing exit prep and yesterday all 3 performed a round trip revenue service. No idea what is going on, although they have been being used as alternates for the E145 routes.
6. The last ATR-42 flight for UAX is May 31. First frame now back on mainland, other 2 will follow. Beginning June 1 Cape Air will no longer be a UAX-operator.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon May 28, 2018 2:32 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:

6. The last ATR-42 flight for UAX is May 31. First frame now back on mainland, other 2 will follow. Beginning June 1 Cape Air will no longer be a UAX-operator.

Is someone else replacing them or is United abandoning SPN and ROP?

Either way, I guess this offically makes UA an all jet airline.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon May 28, 2018 4:43 pm

Any idea on the # of units on the 737Max 9 delivery schedule for 2019?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon May 28, 2018 5:40 pm

cosyr wrote:
Is someone else replacing them or is United abandoning SPN and ROP?

SPN goes down to once daily on a 738. ROP gets discontinued.

https://www.guampdn.com/story/news/2018 ... 519347002/
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue May 29, 2018 2:27 pm

39M:
N37506 sked delivery flight 2701/30May into SEA

763:
N651UA shows an uncoming test hop on 6/3 per FlightAware

772:
N222UA entered XMN 2795/29May, Polaris???
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue May 29, 2018 2:48 pm

Forgive me if this has been previously covered but is the Y cabin getting any refurbishment on the 763’s during the three class to Polaris work, or are the mods solely up front?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue May 29, 2018 3:46 pm

Y cabins on the 763s are getting new bins, new seats with AVOD, the whole nine yards. They look like the existing two-cabin 763s / the 764s, except with the leather seat covers.
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