UAinAUS wrote:

Some updates from United’s new Fleet Plan released with their Q1 Results:

Total CR2’s at year-end 122 (likely will see a few of the Skywest birds retired)
Total ER4’s at year-end 177 (looks like a few more will be pulled back into service for ExpressJet as the CommutAir fleet continues to grow)

UA Confims purchase of 20 used A319s (EasyJet) for delivery 2020-2021
7 more of the ex-CZ A319s should be delivered in 2019

Still to be delivered in 2018:
2 77W (one imminent and last one Q4)
3 78J (all Nov-Dec)
3 763 (ex-HA, Q3-4)
10 7M9 (deliveries starting this month)

UAinAUS wrote:

Some updates from United’s new Fleet Plan released with their Q1 Results:

Total CR2’s at year-end 122 (likely will see a few of the Skywest birds retired)
Total ER4’s at year-end 177 (looks like a few more will be pulled back into service for ExpressJet as the CommutAir fleet continues to grow)

UA Confims purchase of 20 used A319s (EasyJet) for delivery 2020-2021
7 more of the ex-CZ A319s should be delivered in 2019

Still to be delivered in 2018:
2 77W (one imminent and last one Q4)
3 78J (all Nov-Dec)
3 763 (ex-HA, Q3-4)
10 7M9 (deliveries starting this month)

atlflyer wrote:

UAinAUS wrote:

Some updates from United’s new Fleet Plan released with their Q1 Results:

Total CR2’s at year-end 122 (likely will see a few of the Skywest birds retired)
Total ER4’s at year-end 177 (looks like a few more will be pulled back into service for ExpressJet as the CommutAir fleet continues to grow)

UA Confims purchase of 20 used A319s (EasyJet) for delivery 2020-2021
7 more of the ex-CZ A319s should be delivered in 2019

Still to be delivered in 2018:
2 77W (one imminent and last one Q4)
3 78J (all Nov-Dec)
3 763 (ex-HA, Q3-4)
10 7M9 (deliveries starting this month)

Anyone know how old the A319s are? What updates will they receive before going into service?

Benni228 wrote:

I just noticed the Polaris tracker hasn’t been updated in a while.. still showing 14 77W, 5 763 and 0 772. But Stoked to see the lounges page has been updated with SFO lounge is set to open Apr 30th!

Anyone know the tentative opening dates of IAH & EWR? Also it looks like N786UA has just been sitting at SFO for a week since returning from XMN, anyone know when it will return to service? Thx!

iahcsr wrote:

77W
N2747U now ‘Ready for Delivery’

VC10er wrote:

I saw some images of the special design features and details of the SFO Polaris Lounge- I wonder if they will release and teasers for EWR- only a few more months if they are on time.

VC10er wrote:

I saw some images of the special design features and details of the SFO Polaris Lounge- I wonder if they will release and teasers for EWR- only a few more months if they are on time.

iahcsr wrote:

77W
N2747U now ‘Ready for Delivery’
3M9
N67501 Another test hop today.. Don’t know yet if a B5 or a C1.. given delivery scheduled for 23rd or 24th would hope the latter.

jayunited wrote:

Benni228 wrote:

I just noticed the Polaris tracker hasn’t been updated in a while.. still showing 14 77W, 5 763 and 0 772. But Stoked to see the lounges page has been updated with SFO lounge is set to open Apr 30th!

Anyone know the tentative opening dates of IAH & EWR? Also it looks like N786UA has just been sitting at SFO for a week since returning from XMN, anyone know when it will return to service? Thx!

So far there is nothing showing in the system about when 2786 will return to service and I'm not sure why it has been just sitting on the ground at SFO ever since it left XMN, right now nose number 2796 is at XMN but I'm not sure if it is for Polaris or just maintenance.

With that being said there will be a lot of equipment substitutions within the 77E/W fleet starting today. We have a few sCO 77Es down for scheduled maintenance and one is stuck in TLV (not sure why) although it should ferry position back to EWR on 4/19.
As a result EWR-BRU-EWR will utilize a sUA 77E for the next 2 roundtrips starting today (4/19).
UA 84/85 EWR-TLV-EWR will be upguaged to a 77W on 4/19/ (UA84) and 4/20 (UA85).
UA179/180 EWR-HKG-EWR will be upguaged to a 77W on 4/21 (UA179) and 4/23 (UA180).
Last but not least UA 901/900 SFO-LHR-SFO a 77W will substitute the 77E on 4/20 (UA901) and 4/21 (UA900). This route is schedule to permanently upguage for the summer travel season on 4/23 however passenger flying on UA901/900 on the dates mention will be pleasantly surprised to see the 77W sitting at the gate.

FlightLevel360 wrote:

Curious why UA is increasing the size of their "inferior" Airbus fleet instead of investing in a better customer experience and newer aircraft in the same class, such as the CS300. The A319/320 seats are ridiculously thin and uncomfortable to the point where you are basically sitting on nothing.

codc10 wrote:

FlightLevel360 wrote:

Curious why UA is increasing the size of their "inferior" Airbus fleet instead of investing in a better customer experience and newer aircraft in the same class, such as the CS300. The A319/320 seats are ridiculously thin and uncomfortable to the point where you are basically sitting on nothing.

Who is to say the slimline seats wouldn’t make it to the CSeries? The used 319/320 come at dramatically lower capital cost with better short-/intermediate-term cash flow potential.

FlightLevel360 wrote:

codc10 wrote:

FlightLevel360 wrote:

Curious why UA is increasing the size of their "inferior" Airbus fleet instead of investing in a better customer experience and newer aircraft in the same class, such as the CS300. The A319/320 seats are ridiculously thin and uncomfortable to the point where you are basically sitting on nothing.

Who is to say the slimline seats wouldn’t make it to the CSeries? The used 319/320 come at dramatically lower capital cost with better short-/intermediate-term cash flow potential.

True, might be good for the airline, but bad for the passengers.

I do not understand why they would go for the recaro slimline as opposed to the Pinnacle on A320s. In my opinion I find the Pinnacle on the 737s more comfortable, and it would be better for UA to stick to one type of seat for its domestic fleet.

FlightLevel360 wrote:

Curious why UA is increasing the size of their "inferior" Airbus fleet instead of investing in a better customer experience and newer aircraft in the same class, such as the CS300. The A319/320 seats are ridiculously thin and uncomfortable to the point where you are basically sitting on nothing.

keesje wrote:

FlightLevel360 wrote:

Curious why UA is increasing the size of their "inferior" Airbus fleet instead of investing in a better customer experience and newer aircraft in the same class, such as the CS300. The A319/320 seats are ridiculously thin and uncomfortable to the point where you are basically sitting on nothing.

Paint the aircraft, put in new seats, carpets, give everyone a few inch knee space, bigger bins, a big screen & you're all set. However they'll be replaced by MAX in a few years, correct?

SumChristianus wrote:

Should we read anything into the order of the options on the right, used A319/A320s on the top...E190 above CS100, 737 Max 10 above A321neo?

keesje wrote:

FlightLevel360 wrote:

Curious why UA is increasing the size of their "inferior" Airbus fleet instead of investing in a better customer experience and newer aircraft in the same class, such as the CS300. The A319/320 seats are ridiculously thin and uncomfortable to the point where you are basically sitting on nothing.

Paint the aircraft, put in new seats, carpets, give everyone a few inch knee space, bigger bins, a big screen & you're all set. However they'll be replaced by MAX in a few years, correct?

FlightLevel360 wrote:

keesje wrote:

FlightLevel360 wrote:

Curious why UA is increasing the size of their "inferior" Airbus fleet instead of investing in a better customer experience and newer aircraft in the same class, such as the CS300. The A319/320 seats are ridiculously thin and uncomfortable to the point where you are basically sitting on nothing.

Paint the aircraft, put in new seats, carpets, give everyone a few inch knee space, bigger bins, a big screen & you're all set. However they'll be replaced by MAX in a few years, correct?

In the best case scenario, yes. Maybe they'll even throw in the CS300 as well.

I think they put Airbus down just as a bargaining chip. I don't expect them to order new Airbuses (aside from the 350) in the near future.

keesje wrote:

FlightLevel360 wrote:

keesje wrote:

Paint the aircraft, put in new seats, carpets, give everyone a few inch knee space, bigger bins, a big screen & you're all set. However they'll be replaced by MAX in a few years, correct?

In the best case scenario, yes. Maybe they'll even throw in the CS300 as well.

I think they put Airbus down just as a bargaining chip. I don't expect them to order new Airbuses (aside from the 350) in the near future.

Yesterday I reached a kind of conclusion they'll buy 100 A321's because the 757 and 767 fleets are 21,22 yrs old on average and they simply can't wait for 2025-26 for the first 797 to show up. Of course they will generously order 797s too, but for service later next decade. There is a reason all their competitors are stumbling over each other for A321s. And not for 737-9/-10.

SumChristianus wrote:

What about the 100 B737-10 and 61 737-9 they've bought though? I'd love to see the A321 but I don't think UA has the network density of AA/DL to make 300-400 large narrowbodies work.

keesje wrote:

SumChristianus wrote:

What about the 100 B737-10 and 61 737-9 they've bought though? I'd love to see the A321 but I don't think UA has the network density of AA/DL to make 300-400 large narrowbodies work.

Aren't the -9 and -10 orders the same aircraft?

cledaybuck wrote:

keesje wrote:

SumChristianus wrote:

What about the 100 B737-10 and 61 737-9 they've bought though? I'd love to see the A321 but I don't think UA has the network density of AA/DL to make 300-400 large narrowbodies work.

Aren't the -9 and -10 orders the same aircraft?

No. United has firm orders for 61 737-9s and 100 -10s.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 10-446360/

keesje wrote:

cledaybuck wrote:

keesje wrote:

Aren't the -9 and -10 orders the same aircraft?

No. United has firm orders for 61 737-9s and 100 -10s.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 10-446360/

100, They ordered 100 737-9s., not 61.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2012-07-12-Boeing-Announces-Historic-737-Order-From-United-Airlines

United has firm orders for 61 737-9s and 100 -10s.

keesje wrote:

Yesterday I reached a kind of conclusion they'll buy 100 A321's because the 757 and 767 fleets are 21,22 yrs old on average and they simply can't wait for 2025-26 for the first 797 to show up. Of course they will generously order 797s too, but for service later next decade. There is a reason all their competitors are stumbling over each other for A321s. And not for 737-9/-10.

atcsundevil wrote:

keesje wrote:

Yesterday I reached a kind of conclusion they'll buy 100 A321's because the 757 and 767 fleets are 21,22 yrs old on average and they simply can't wait for 2025-26 for the first 797 to show up. Of course they will generously order 797s too, but for service later next decade. There is a reason all their competitors are stumbling over each other for A321s. And not for 737-9/-10.

Maybe they should have, but I'm highly skeptical that they'll buy the A321 at this point. The reason I'm skeptical is because if they were going to buy the A321, they would have done it already. At this point, they're better served flying their older aircraft that are long since paid for, and waiting for the 797. Theoretically, any additional expenses maintaining the older, less efficient fleet will eventually be covered by operating a newer, more efficient aircraft than the A321. Unless Airbus gives them a deal United can't refuse (or if they decide to either not take/take fewer A350s and convert them to A321), I just don't see it happening. Everyone has their own opinion though, so I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I'm skeptical that United are seemingly in a position where they have to buy the A321.

keesje wrote:

cledaybuck wrote:

keesje wrote:

Aren't the -9 and -10 orders the same aircraft?

No. United has firm orders for 61 737-9s and 100 -10s.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 10-446360/

100, They ordered 100 737-9s., not 61.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2012-07-12-Boeing-Announces-Historic-737-Order-From-United-Airlines

VC10er wrote:

What I don’t understand is what their plans are for the 764s? They are about 17/18 years old and still have life left in them. There are no reports about them getting Polaris yet they can do many premium heavy destinations even with their more limited range. I think ZRH, FRA and GRU etc.
Although I will say that the 764 from EWR to Hawaii is great and beats the domestic 772 (better J)
That makes me wonder if Polaris seats will be found on scheduled domestic trips one day and not just international? Transcontinental and Hawaii for starters.
Has anyone ever figured out if the Polaris seat would ever fit a narrow body ac? Like an A321?

codc10 wrote:

VC10er wrote:

What I don’t understand is what their plans are for the 764s? They are about 17/18 years old and still have life left in them. There are no reports about them getting Polaris yet they can do many premium heavy destinations even with their more limited range. I think ZRH, FRA and GRU etc.
Although I will say that the 764 from EWR to Hawaii is great and beats the domestic 772 (better J)
That makes me wonder if Polaris seats will be found on scheduled domestic trips one day and not just international? Transcontinental and Hawaii for starters.
Has anyone ever figured out if the Polaris seat would ever fit a narrow body ac? Like an A321?

Easy... confirmed 764 are getting Polaris by 2020.

Polaris density isn’t good for narrowbody so it’s probably not happening.

codc10 wrote:

VC10er wrote:

What I don’t understand is what their plans are for the 764s? They are about 17/18 years old and still have life left in them. There are no reports about them getting Polaris yet they can do many premium heavy destinations even with their more limited range. I think ZRH, FRA and GRU etc.
Although I will say that the 764 from EWR to Hawaii is great and beats the domestic 772 (better J)
That makes me wonder if Polaris seats will be found on scheduled domestic trips one day and not just international? Transcontinental and Hawaii for starters.
Has anyone ever figured out if the Polaris seat would ever fit a narrow body ac? Like an A321?

Easy... confirmed 764 are getting Polaris by 2020.

Oh! How did I miss that? Sorry! That’s good news I love them.

Polaris density isn’t good for narrowbody so it’s probably not happening.

snuggs28 wrote:

2887 is not getting the Polaris Mod. Only getting Heavy Check with NGS Mod for now.
2888 is only Polaris Mod with Heavy Check.
2796 Polaris Mod and first Airplane to be retrofitted with Premium Economy.

fun2fly wrote:

snuggs28 wrote:

2887 is not getting the Polaris Mod. Only getting Heavy Check with NGS Mod for now.
2888 is only Polaris Mod with Heavy Check.
2796 Polaris Mod and first Airplane to be retrofitted with Premium Economy.

How soon will they circle back to the 3 units w/o Prem Economy to eliminate the odd fleet? Up front or at the end?

VC10er wrote:

I just saw a vintage United ad on Pinterest. It was for a new service called a Red Carpet 727. Sounded like Midwest: big comfortable seats nose to tail, an all Premium 727. What happened with that experiment?
The ad mentioned “worth paying for” over regular economy! I wonder where she flew?