787 Production/Delivery Thread - 2018

MoKa777 · Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:48 pm

Possibly a silly question that may have already been answered in the relevant thread: do the RR engine issues delay new-build deliveries in any way?

Stitch · Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:40 pm

MoKa777 wrote:
Possibly a silly question that may have already been answered in the relevant thread: do the RR engine issues delay new-build deliveries in any way?

We know the Trent 1000 TEN is unaffected as they implemented the change during design and the affected in-service Trent 1000 Package C engines are being swapped out for ones with the fix so I would expect any customer taking Package C engines would be getting ones with the fix already installed, as well.

As for the Gulf Air 787-9 ZB858, she had her taxi test and first flight on 20 April, but there have not been any updates on this thread since.

audidudi · Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:30 pm

Stitch wrote:
As for the Gulf Air 787-9 ZB858, she had her taxi test and first flight on 20 April, but there have not been any updates on this thread since.

Did you mean March 20th for the first flight?

Stitch · Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:42 pm

audidudi wrote:
Stitch wrote:
As for the Gulf Air 787-9 ZB858, she had her taxi test and first flight on 20 April, but there have not been any updates on this thread since.

Did you mean March 20th for the first flight?

Yeah she first took the skies on 20 March.

MoKa777 · Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:35 pm

Stitch wrote:
MoKa777 wrote:
Possibly a silly question that may have already been answered in the relevant thread: do the RR engine issues delay new-build deliveries in any way?

We know the Trent 1000 TEN is unaffected as they implemented the change during design and the affected in-service Trent 1000 Package C engines are being swapped out for ones with the fix so I would expect any customer taking Package C engines would be getting ones with the fix already installed, as well.

As for the Gulf Air 787-9 ZB858, she had her taxi test and first flight on 20 April, but there have not been any updates on this thread since.

Aah, okay. Excellent. Thank you for that information.

qf789 · Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:01 am

Wings and Section 41 for LN707 (2nd Gulf Air 789) about to be moved into factory for final assembly (27/28 March)

https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/978787313097441280

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... dit#gid=19

qf789 · Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:03 am

British Airways 789 G-ZBKR at Everett Delivery Center

https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/979111039668113408

qf789 · Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:05 am

ANA 789 JA898A at Everett Delivery Center prior to departure

https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/979118363090722818

qf789 · Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:04 am

Virgin Atlantic 789 G-VYNL positioned CHS-PDX for paint (26 March)

https://twitter.com/PSBoeingTstFlts/sta ... 1083713536

First flight for Etihad 789 A6-BLT

https://twitter.com/PSBoeingTstFlts/sta ... 2802835457

qf789 · Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:11 am

Just to clarify, the first Gulf Air 789 is currently in the paint hangar

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... dit#gid=19

chiki · Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:35 am

Good month for with 15 787 deliveries to date according to Uresh 787 blog

ER757 · Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:32 pm

qf789 wrote:
Just to clarify, the first Gulf Air 789 is currently in the paint hangar

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... dit#gid=19

Like many fellow a.nuts, very much looking forward to seeing it when it rolls back out. Am sure at least one of our sharp-eyed spotters up at PAE will get a photo or two :crossfingers:

Stitch · Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:39 pm

For those wishing to discuss the new livery, there is an active thread on it at: viewtopic.php?p=20236797#p20236797

Gulf Air 787-9 A9C-FA now out of paint in her new colors:

https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/97 ... 48448?s=21

MrBretz · Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:14 am

I was looking at Singapore Airlines 787-10 seat map. Seatguru says the economy seats have a width of 19 inches and a 32 inch pitch. United’s 787-9’s seats have the same pitch but a width of 17.3 inches. How does Singapore do that? How narrow are the aisles?

Stitch · Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:37 am

MrBretz wrote:
I was looking at Singapore Airlines 787-10 seat map. Seatguru says the economy seats have a width of 19 inches and a 32 inch pitch. United’s 787-9’s seats have the same pitch but a width of 17.3 inches. How does Singapore do that? How narrow are the aisles?

Well Scoot's website says their 787 seats are 18" wide at 3x3x3, but I am guessing they are just using the 777 values for a placeholder. That being said, the aisles did look pretty narrow on the 787-10 and there is a pretty significant gap between the seat-backs.

817Dreamliiner · Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:50 am

MrBretz wrote:
I was looking at Singapore Airlines 787-10 seat map. Seatguru says the economy seats have a width of 19 inches and a 32 inch pitch. United’s 787-9’s seats have the same pitch but a width of 17.3 inches. How does Singapore do that? How narrow are the aisles?

They are actually 18 inches on the 787-10. Singapore Airlines confirmed this to Runway girl network. More than likely being done with 1.5 inch armrests (like on the A350) and 17.5 inch aisles.

Planeyguy · Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:35 am

So it won't be as uncomfortable as some people thought?

MoKa777 · Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:53 am

817Dreamliiner wrote:
MrBretz wrote:
I was looking at Singapore Airlines 787-10 seat map. Seatguru says the economy seats have a width of 19 inches and a 32 inch pitch. United’s 787-9’s seats have the same pitch but a width of 17.3 inches. How does Singapore do that? How narrow are the aisles?

They are actually 18 inches on the 787-10. Singapore Airlines confirmed this to Runway girl network. More than likely being done with 1.5 inch armrests (like on the A350) and 17.5 inch aisles.

The armrests do look narrow on the SQ 78J. Definitely less than 2 inches. Aisles look adequate, though.

Overall, SQ's looks like the most comfortable 3-3-3 787 seat and cabin.

qf789 · Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:12 pm

Wings and Section 41 for British Airways next 788 (LN708)

https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/979929482466246656

7BOEING7 · Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:49 pm

Stitch wrote:
For those wishing to discuss the new livery, there is an active thread on it at: viewtopic.php?p=20236797#p20236797

Gulf Air 787-9 A9C-FA now out of paint in her new colors:

https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/97 ... 48448?s=21

Note the new Formula 1 logo by the rear door.

ual747-600 · Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:15 pm

Line #622, 9V-SCB, Number 2 787-10 for SIA Delivery flight

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SIA8878

UAL747-600

WoodysAeroimag · Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:25 am

7BOEING7 wrote:
Stitch wrote:
For those wishing to discuss the new livery, there is an active thread on it at: viewtopic.php?p=20236797#p20236797

Gulf Air 787-9 A9C-FA now out of paint in her new colors:

https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/97 ... 48448?s=21

Note the new Formula 1 logo by the rear door.

Currently on its way to KHB for display at the Bahrain GP this weekend.

https://www.flightradar24.com/BOE858/10ec5617

qf789 · Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:23 am

First flight for Saudi Arabian 789 HZ-AR15

https://twitter.com/PSBoeingTstFlts/sta ... 5020262400

qf789 · Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:39 am

Virgin Atlantic 789 G-VYNL positioned PDX-CHS after paint

https://twitter.com/PSBoeingTstFlts/sta ... 3296072706

First flight for Singapore Airlines 787-10 9V-SCC

https://twitter.com/PSBoeingTstFlts/sta ... 7864135680

qf789 · Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:54 am

Air France 789 F-HRBF has been delivered

https://twitter.com/PSBoeingTstFlts/sta ... 6772405248

First flight for Air Canada 789 C-FVLZ

https://twitter.com/PSBoeingTstFlts/sta ... 3147009029

MileHFL400 · Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:09 pm

When is UA getting it's first -10?

beechnut · Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:08 pm

qf789 wrote:
Air France 789 F-HRBF has been delivered

https://twitter.com/PSBoeingTstFlts/sta ... 6772405248

First flight for Air Canada 789 C-FVLZ

https://twitter.com/PSBoeingTstFlts/sta ... 3147009029

That would be the second-to-last -9 on Air Canada's initial order. There's one more to come in May.

I wonder if anyone has inside scoop on whether AC will exercise any options for either more -9s or even -10s? Perhaps Longhauler would know. They are adding 4 more used A330s which would suggest that AC is opting for cheaper lift that will be easier to shed in a downturn, instead of going for more 787s.

Beech

Slash787 · Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:52 pm

MileHFL400 wrote:
When is UA getting it's first -10?

According to the spreadsheets in November and the first EY -10 is supposed to be delivered in October even though the United -10 will be built first and one of the test aircraft will also go to united which will be delivered in December I guess.

Its weird that EY will get it before UA, I had thought UA would be getting much before EY.

ODwyerPW · Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:57 pm

Intesting the Gold colored nacelles on that Gulf Air plane.... I thought painting the nacelles was strong discouraged by Boeing..

Nevermind, I see the British Airways plane has Blue ones..... I guess leaving them white has gone out of practice.

NG263 · Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:42 pm

N507BJ has had a nose gear collapse at MWH. This certain frame, LN 11, has been under VIP conversion for the Korean Government at MWH since around 3 years although planespotters.net says that it was ntu by the Korean Government.
According to the below mentionend sources the nose gear collapsed while nobody worked on the aircraft. Wonder how this could happen?

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... te-446994/

german source with a picture of the incident: https://www.aerotelegraph.com/vip-dream ... f-die-nase

pdxswa · Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:00 pm

I consider the local PDX spotters. The founders of fake news. Considering I was there when the 787 landed. I do not know how a tour bus full of passengers could come off the 787. When there was no interior inside the 787.

WoodysAeroimag wrote:
pdxswa wrote:
WoodysAeroimag wrote:

It isn't getting painted at PDX. Currently parked at the FBO and a large tour bus of passengers got off. arrived using Callsign N887BA with Customer Pilots flying it. Scheduled to fly away tomorrow.

Your comment about a large tour bus of passengers coming off of N887BA. Is very laughable and completely and utter false. I think you need to check your sources before you post fake news.....

I only posted what was relayed to me from local spotters in PDX.

whywhyzee · Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:40 pm

beechnut wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Air France 789 F-HRBF has been delivered

https://twitter.com/PSBoeingTstFlts/sta ... 6772405248

First flight for Air Canada 789 C-FVLZ

https://twitter.com/PSBoeingTstFlts/sta ... 3147009029

That would be the second-to-last -9 on Air Canada's initial order. There's one more to come in May.

I wonder if anyone has inside scoop on whether AC will exercise any options for either more -9s or even -10s? Perhaps Longhauler would know. They are adding 4 more used A330s which would suggest that AC is opting for cheaper lift that will be easier to shed in a downturn, instead of going for more 787s.

Beech

There should be an additional 2 coming next year as I recall. Initial order was for 37 total 787s, these two put it up to 35 if my count is correct.

I machine they will order more, the 10 would likely be a very useful platform, though I know there are concerns with th payload range. Eventually, they will need more to replace the 12+ A333s they will have, not accounting for growth.

Stitch · Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:08 pm

ODwyerPW wrote:
I guess leaving them white has gone out of practice.

It is also possible that the company that manufactures the paint can now do colors other than the original white and grey while still keeping the laminar flow intact.

ODwyerPW · Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:22 am

Stitch wrote:
It is also possible that the company that manufactures the paint can now do colors other than the original white and grey while still keeping the laminar flow intact.

True....It's been a decade..... improvement happens....

ikolkyo · Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:38 am

NG263 wrote:
N507BJ has had a nose gear collapse at MWH. This certain frame, LN 11, has been under VIP conversion for the Korean Government at MWH since around 3 years although planespotters.net says that it was ntu by the Korean Government.
According to the below mentionend sources the nose gear collapsed while nobody worked on the aircraft. Wonder how this could happen?

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... te-446994/

german source with a picture of the incident: https://www.aerotelegraph.com/vip-dream ... f-die-nase

This happened last month.

NG263 · Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:34 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
NG263 wrote:
N507BJ has had a nose gear collapse at MWH. This certain frame, LN 11, has been under VIP conversion for the Korean Government at MWH since around 3 years although planespotters.net says that it was ntu by the Korean Government.
According to the below mentionend sources the nose gear collapsed while nobody worked on the aircraft. Wonder how this could happen?

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... te-446994/

german source with a picture of the incident: https://www.aerotelegraph.com/vip-dream ... f-die-nase

This happened last month.

I did not include a date, also good that these are old news for you but as it seems nobody posted it into this thread just yet. So maybe these are news for somebody else.

ikolkyo · Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:37 pm

NG263 wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
NG263 wrote:
N507BJ has had a nose gear collapse at MWH. This certain frame, LN 11, has been under VIP conversion for the Korean Government at MWH since around 3 years although planespotters.net says that it was ntu by the Korean Government.
According to the below mentionend sources the nose gear collapsed while nobody worked on the aircraft. Wonder how this could happen?

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... te-446994/

german source with a picture of the incident: https://www.aerotelegraph.com/vip-dream ... f-die-nase

This happened last month.

I did not include a date, also good that these are old news for you but as it seems nobody posted it into this thread just yet. So maybe these are news for somebody else.

Probably because it had its own thread.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1388557

Nami · Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:31 am

Boeing’s March table shows Norwegian 787-9 orders dropping from 19 to 13. Surprise cancellation or moved to a leasing company?

WoodysAeroimag · Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:59 am

689 ZB858 39996 A9C-FA 787-9 Gulf Air returning from Bahrain on Monday. Performed a Customs stop at BFI before continuing onto PAE

689 ZB858 39996 A9C-FA 787-9 Gulf Air by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

qf789 · Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:08 pm

First flight for Norwegian 789 G-CKWD

https://twitter.com/PSBoeingTstFlts/sta ... 3962347520

Momo1435 · Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:04 am

There are now several 787s awaiting RR engines at Everett.

https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/984520514524758016

It does look like the RR issues are now also catching up with Boeing.

But looking at NYC787's production table it does show that in the recent months the majority of 787s coming of the line were RR powered, about 2/3 RR and just 1/3 GE. Which is more then average compared to the total engine order. This pattern will flip around completely for the remainder of the year, more then 2/3 of production slots will be GE. So the production schedule was very RR heavy the last couple of months, with the lower rate of RR deliveries the coming months they will have a bit more room to built some replacement engines for the likes of LATAM.

frigatebird · Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:26 am

Momo1435 wrote:
There are now several 787s awaiting RR engines at Everett.

https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/984520514524758016

It does look like the RR issues are now also catching up with Boeing.

But looking at NYC787's production table it does show that in the recent months the majority of 787s coming of the line were RR powered, about 2/3 RR and just 1/3 GE. Which is more then average compared to the total engine order. This pattern will flip around completely for the remainder of the year, more then 2/3 of production slots will be GE. So the production schedule was very RR heavy the last couple of months, with the lower rate of RR deliveries the coming months they will have a bit more room to built some replacement engines for the likes of LATAM.

One of the 787s without engines is Royal Brunei, which for some reason has been stored quite a while. Probably more than an engine issue, no idea if it will be a definite NTU or whether it will get just a later delivery.

The RJ 787 I believe is a definite NTU, wonder who will take that bird eventually.

qf789 · Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:06 pm

A different view of a few 789's at PAE

Etihad 789 A6-BLT

Air Canada 789

Gulf Air 789 A9C-FA

Norwegian 789 G-CKWD

https://twitter.com/xiantong12315/statu ... 1749477377

qf789 · Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:18 pm

TUI 789 LN703 on the flightline

http://kpae.blogspot.com.au/

qf789 · Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:52 pm

Etihad 789 A6-BLT returning to PAE after a test flight

https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/984879626722816001

AirCal737 · Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:05 am

Just a side question:
When are the CZ 789s due?
Or arw they just Xiamenair ones listed as CZ?

Momo1435 · Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:31 am

AirCal737 wrote:
Just a side question:
When are the CZ 789s due?
Or arw they just Xiamenair ones listed as CZ?

1st one should be delivered to CZ at the end of this month.

http://nyc787.blogspot.com/
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=2

qf789 · Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:31 am

The third 787-10 for Singapore Airlines 9V-SCC did a flyover over the 18th fairway at the 50th RBC Heritage

https://twitter.com/weareboeingsc/statu ... 6951387140

Video to flyover

https://twitter.com/TheAviationBeat/sta ... 9038381057

qf789 · Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:35 am

First flight for Japan Airlines 789 JA872J

https://twitter.com/PSBoeingTstFlts/sta ... 9976824834

77H · Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:03 am

ODwyerPW wrote:
Intesting the Gold colored nacelles on that Gulf Air plane.... I thought painting the nacelles was strong discouraged by Boeing..

Nevermind, I see the British Airways plane has Blue ones..... I guess leaving them white has gone out of practice.

I would say at this point, there are more 787 customers with painted engine cowling than customers that have opted to leave them white. The only airlines I can think of that have kept them white, relative to their standard livery are JQ, NH, SQ and UA. Surpridingly, NH, SQ and UA standard liveries all feature grey engine cowlings which was one of the original approved colors.

I would be interested to know if any of the airlines that have opted to paint the cowlings is their 787s have noticed a performance hit compared to airlines who have kept them white.

77H

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