BW600 wrote:BW has announced it has chosen the B737-8 MAX
To renew its fleet of 12 B738. First to arrive in Q4 2019. Congrats to them.
The 737 MAX 8 – part of a fuel-efficient family of airplanes – will seat up to 160 passengers in Caribbean Airlines' three-class configuration featuring the "Caribbean Plus" Cabin, and provide more than 500 nautical miles more range than the existing aircraft.
gunnerman wrote:AA, DL and UA have all made their toilets smaller, just 24" wide. If BW will have wider ones, then the fewer seats will need to have higher yields.
gunnerman wrote:AA, DL and UA have all made their toilets smaller, just 24" wide. If BW will have wider ones, then the fewer seats will need to have higher yields.
guyanam wrote:gunnerman wrote:AA, DL and UA have all made their toilets smaller, just 24" wide. If BW will have wider ones, then the fewer seats will need to have higher yields.
BW has to compete against AA and B6 so having more legroom and wider seats will be a competitive factor. Caribbean people aren't the smallest people in the world. BWs fares tend not to be cheaper than the competition.
Hopefully they will also change the livery and make it more colorful. Look at Caribbean flags as an example. Not one of them have this purple.
gunnerman wrote:AA, DL and UA have all made their toilets smaller, just 24" wide. If BW will have wider ones, then the fewer seats will need to have higher yields.
caribbean484 wrote:guyanam wrote:gunnerman wrote:AA, DL and UA have all made their toilets smaller, just 24" wide. If BW will have wider ones, then the fewer seats will need to have higher yields.
BW has to compete against AA and B6 so having more legroom and wider seats will be a competitive factor. Caribbean people aren't the smallest people in the world. BWs fares tend not to be cheaper than the competition.
Hopefully they will also change the livery and make it more colorful. Look at Caribbean flags as an example. Not one of them have this purple.
gunnerman wrote:AA, DL and UA have all made their toilets smaller, just 24" wide. If BW will have wider ones, then the fewer seats will need to have higher yields.
My understanding is that they will use slim line seats so seat pitch will be reduced, can't do anything about width as that is already standard. Not sure on whether Business will be lie flat like other operators are doing but will be a huge competitive advantage to what AA is offering.
caribbean484 wrote:It's now official as CAL will be replacing its 738 fleet with MAXs and will feature 16 Business and 144 Y. Hoping they will order the Max10 someday, because there are routes that need the extra capacity
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gunnerman wrote:Only Revenue Management knows the answer but all of BA's intra-Caribbean flights are lightly loaded, which is inevitable when you've got shared flights with the gateaway destination (ANU, BGI, UVF) being more popular than the tags. It was exactly the same with BW's LHR flights for ANU-POS, UVF-POS and BGI-POS.
gunnerman wrote:There are T&T aviation issues which refuse to go away. Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley has referred to the ill-fated Caribbean Airlines POS-LGW route which lost TT$260m (US$38.8m). He also challenged Opposition Leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar to make available the findings of the investigation in 2011 into the sale of BW’s Heathrow slots in 2006 for TT$60m (US$9m).
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/cal-lost-260m-on-uk-routepm-6.2.716363.c31702c71f
guyanam wrote:gunnerman wrote:AA, DL and UA have all made their toilets smaller, just 24" wide. If BW will have wider ones, then the fewer seats will need to have higher yields.
BW has to compete against AA and B6 so having more legroom and wider seats will be a competitive factor. Caribbean people aren't the smallest people in the world. BWs fares tend not to be cheaper than the competition.
Hopefully they will also change the livery and make it more colorful. Look at Caribbean flags as an example. Not one of them have this purple.
maverick4002 wrote:Lol your obsession with the purple is legendary now. I've been reading since the very first thread and you always gripe about the purple.
trintocan wrote:gunnerman wrote:There are T&T aviation issues which refuse to go away. Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley has referred to the ill-fated Caribbean Airlines POS-LGW route which lost TT$260m (US$38.8m). He also challenged Opposition Leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar to make available the findings of the investigation in 2011 into the sale of BW’s Heathrow slots in 2006 for TT$60m (US$9m).
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/cal-lost-260m-on-uk-routepm-6.2.716363.c31702c71f
You are right that this keeps coming up every so often. About the famous BWIA grandfather slots into LHR, T&T were always in a weak bargaining position as the Government wanted a Trinidad - London air link maintained. Airlines from elsewhere were offering more but could not operate the route, VS offered more but did not wish to serve POS directly and preferred to do so indirectly via TAB and BGI. BA agreed to resume flights after 13 years away and were really the only option. It was thus a judgement call as to whether a short-term financial rush outweighed the longer-term benefits of an important air service. To me they made the right decision, comtroversy notwithstanding.
As for Caribbean Airlines starting LGW in 2012, this was a zany vanity project. The basis of starting the route, in competition with the now-entrenched BA and requiring a dedicated subfleet which had low utilisation overall, could be questioned. It seemed a nice thing to do but the market was not there for two airlines between POS and London. Indeed there has not been a market for more than one airline on the route since 1994, when BA pulled out. When one considers that some passengers travel via BGI or MIA to get to London one sees how restricted the overall market is.
Trintocan.
trintocan wrote:gunnerman wrote:There are T&T aviation issues which refuse to go away. Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley has referred to the ill-fated Caribbean Airlines POS-LGW route which lost TT$260m (US$38.8m). He also challenged Opposition Leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar to make available the findings of the investigation in 2011 into the sale of BW’s Heathrow slots in 2006 for TT$60m (US$9m).
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/cal-lost-260m-on-uk-routepm-6.2.716363.c31702c71f
You are right that this keeps coming up every so often. About the famous BWIA grandfather slots into LHR, T&T were always in a weak bargaining position as the Government wanted a Trinidad - London air link maintained. Airlines from elsewhere were offering more but could not operate the route, VS offered more but did not wish to serve POS directly and preferred to do so indirectly via TAB and BGI. BA agreed to resume flights after 13 years away and were really the only option. It was thus a judgement call as to whether a short-term financial rush outweighed the longer-term benefits of an important air service. To me they made the right decision, comtroversy notwithstanding.
As for Caribbean Airlines starting LGW in 2012, this was a zany vanity project. The basis of starting the route, in competition with the now-entrenched BA and requiring a dedicated subfleet which had low utilisation overall, could be questioned. It seemed a nice thing to do but the market was not there for two airlines between POS and London. Indeed there has not been a market for more than one airline on the route since 1994, when BA pulled out. When one considers that some passengers travel via BGI or MIA to get to London one sees how restricted the overall market is.
Trintocan.
guyanam wrote:caribbean484 wrote:It's now official as CAL will be replacing its 738 fleet with MAXs and will feature 16 Business and 144 Y. Hoping they will order the Max10 someday, because there are routes that need the extra capacity
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Which routes do you think need the larger plane?
Brickell305 wrote:I don’t see the lie flat seats being that much of an advantage over AA as they compete on relatively short, daytime flights to Miami. Where I think lie flat will make a difference if implemented, is to JFK and YYZ where the flights are longer and some are overnight.
trintocan wrote:gunnerman wrote:There are T&T aviation issues which refuse to go away. Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley has referred to the ill-fated Caribbean Airlines POS-LGW route which lost TT$260m (US$38.8m). He also challenged Opposition Leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar to make available the findings of the investigation in 2011 into the sale of BW’s Heathrow slots in 2006 for TT$60m (US$9m).
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/cal-lost-260m-on-uk-routepm-6.2.716363.c31702c71f
You are right that this keeps coming up every so often. About the famous BWIA grandfather slots into LHR, T&T were always in a weak bargaining position as the Government wanted a Trinidad - London air link maintained. Airlines from elsewhere were offering more but could not operate the route, VS offered more but did not wish to serve POS directly and preferred to do so indirectly via TAB and BGI. BA agreed to resume flights after 13 years away and were really the only option. It was thus a judgement call as to whether a short-term financial rush outweighed the longer-term benefits of an important air service. To me they made the right decision, controversy notwithstanding.
As for Caribbean Airlines starting LGW in 2012, this was a zany vanity project. The basis of starting the route, in competition with the now-entrenched BA and requiring a dedicated subfleet which had low utilization overall, could be questioned. It seemed a nice thing to do but the market was not there for two airlines between POS and London. Indeed there has not been a market for more than one airline on the route since 1994, when BA pulled out. When one considers that some passengers travel via BGI or MIA to get to London one sees how restricted the overall market is.
Trintocan.
BonaireFly wrote:Some ABC's Islands related news.
Flights From Curaçao Slightly More Expensive Starting Next Year
http://curacaochronicle.com/economy/flights-from-curacao-slightly-more-expensive-starting-next-year/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqXAbd68ADM
caribbean484 wrote:guyanam wrote:caribbean484 wrote:It's now official as CAL will be replacing its 738 fleet with MAXs and will feature 16 Business and 144 Y. Hoping they will order the Max10 someday, because there are routes that need the extra capacity
X
Which routes do you think need the larger plane?
MIA, YYZ and POS-KIN all need increase in seats as those routes are averaging loads at over 85% year round.Brickell305 wrote:I don’t see the lie flat seats being that much of an advantage over AA as they compete on relatively short, daytime flights to Miami. Where I think lie flat will make a difference if implemented, is to JFK and YYZ where the flights are longer and some are overnight.
Actually MIA is one of CAL's highest Yielding routes where business class goes out full most times.trintocan wrote:gunnerman wrote:There are T&T aviation issues which refuse to go away. Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley has referred to the ill-fated Caribbean Airlines POS-LGW route which lost TT$260m (US$38.8m). He also challenged Opposition Leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar to make available the findings of the investigation in 2011 into the sale of BW’s Heathrow slots in 2006 for TT$60m (US$9m).
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/cal-lost-260m-on-uk-routepm-6.2.716363.c31702c71f
You are right that this keeps coming up every so often. About the famous BWIA grandfather slots into LHR, T&T were always in a weak bargaining position as the Government wanted a Trinidad - London air link maintained. Airlines from elsewhere were offering more but could not operate the route, VS offered more but did not wish to serve POS directly and preferred to do so indirectly via TAB and BGI. BA agreed to resume flights after 13 years away and were really the only option. It was thus a judgement call as to whether a short-term financial rush outweighed the longer-term benefits of an important air service. To me they made the right decision, controversy notwithstanding.
As for Caribbean Airlines starting LGW in 2012, this was a zany vanity project. The basis of starting the route, in competition with the now-entrenched BA and requiring a dedicated subfleet which had low utilization overall, could be questioned. It seemed a nice thing to do but the market was not there for two airlines between POS and London. Indeed there has not been a market for more than one airline on the route since 1994, when BA pulled out. When one considers that some passengers travel via BGI or MIA to get to London one sees how restricted the overall market is.
Trintocan.
It's because some people feel that "We need to Fly to London" why this issue keeps coming up. Long-haul was barely profitable for BWIA in its heyday with the L1011s, and going to A340 just accelerated the demise of LHR. A lot of people don't understand the airline industry and always claims we need to go back to the UK. Those days are long gone, BA and VS are very strong now compare to the 80s and 90s, the UK Holiday LCC carriers are giving more volumes and the Point of sale in the UK has been dwindling for years.
A sub fleet of 2-3 widebodies are a sure way of losing money and CAL lots boat loads going back to the UK because the then government now opposition found everything the previous government did was wrong and corrupt. They were proven dead wrong and after wrecking the airline with George Nicolas, they eventually wised up and started bring in persons who know how to turn around the airline.BonaireFly wrote:Some ABC's Islands related news.
Flights From Curaçao Slightly More Expensive Starting Next Year
http://curacaochronicle.com/economy/flights-from-curacao-slightly-more-expensive-starting-next-year/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqXAbd68ADM
Thank for the updates from the ABC
maverick4002 wrote:[
Lol your obsession with the purple is legendary now. I've been reading since the very first thread and you always gripe about the purple.
BonaireFly wrote:Some more information and photos of the new terminal:
https://vanringenarchitecten.nl/en/airport-bonaire-en/
guyanam wrote:maverick4002 wrote:[
Lol your obsession with the purple is legendary now. I've been reading since the very first thread and you always gripe about the purple.
Show me any Caribbean flag with purple. Face it. It just isnt a Caribbean color. An Englishman was CEO of BW at the time. Look at the livery of Air Jamaica, BWIA and LIAT and you will see the Caribbean aesthetic. Even the "colonial" airlines like Air Caraibes and Air Antilles.
Brickell305 wrote:Interestingly, B6 has made a significant change to its FLL-POS schedule. Flights will now be departing FLL at 21:40 and arriving in POS at 2:13+1 and then departing POS at 3:24 and arriving in FLL at 6:30. This seems to last up until Feb 27. It hints to me that B6 isn't doing that well on FLL-POS and it would rather run the flight at a time when a plane would otherwise be idle than use a plane during an otherwise busy time of day when the plane could be used for a more profitable flight.
skystar767 wrote:Who did fly Jamaica sub the flights to?
guyanam wrote:BW seems to be fending off B6 on its POS routes. In fact the real loser when AC entered the YYZ POS was WS which are now down to 1X outside of the peak periods. I assume that with their improved IFE systems combined with newer planes with refreshed cabins they should continue to do well into POS even as GEO becomes a harsher terrain for them, given expected new entrants, AA having just begun service.
99NY wrote:BonaireFly wrote:Some more information and photos of the new terminal:
https://vanringenarchitecten.nl/en/airport-bonaire-en/
Interesting rendering. Can't say it'll ever top the open-air magnificence of the current terminal though.
Surprising to read that KLM is still intending to make Bonaire some sort of Latin America connection hub. I figured that chapter had flown into history with the last MD-11s.
gunnerman wrote:Medera immediately lost credibility in my eyes when he talked about London and Africa. It looks to me as if he's desperately looking around for places to fly the 12 737s to. I get no sense of rightsizing the fleet for a profitable route network.
Zidane wrote:gunnerman wrote:Medera immediately lost credibility in my eyes when he talked about London and Africa. It looks to me as if he's desperately looking around for places to fly the 12 737s to. I get no sense of rightsizing the fleet for a profitable route network.
Agreed.
Would some expansion in ANU, BGI and UVF make sense? They do well out of the US.
Perhaps a few leisure routes from TAB?
guyanam wrote:http://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/business/20181130/caribbean-airlines-adding-planes-and-tours-grow-out-red-ink
Reading this one gets the impression of some over confidence from the CEO based on BW's improved financials. Examples include plans to re-activate London (not sure which airport) and possible flights to Africa and routes into deeper South America, as well as a wholesaler subsidiary. Not sure who is going to use them from South America given CM's heavy market penetration.
2travel2know2 wrote:Is BW aslo getting ETOPS B737-700MAX?
That aircraft with some weight penalty might have the range for POS-LON and POS - West Africa.
Zidane wrote:gunnerman wrote:Medera immediately lost credibility in my eyes when he talked about London and Africa. It looks to me as if he's desperately looking around for places to fly the 12 737s to. I get no sense of rightsizing the fleet for a profitable route network.
Agreed.
Would some expansion in ANU, BGI and UVF make sense? They do well out of the US.
Perhaps a few leisure routes from TAB?
beeweel15 wrote:
Please explain why Mr. Madera lost credibility. I mean if Richard Branson, for example, said the same exact thing would you object and say he lost credibility.
Zidane wrote:Agreed.
Would some expansion in ANU, BGI and UVF make sense? They do well out of the US.
Perhaps a few leisure routes from TAB?
beeweel15 wrote:Medera immediately lost credibility in my eyes when he talked about London and Africa. It looks to me as if he's desperately lAs for ANU, BGI, UVF and even europe it would be an uphill climb to get anything and can be done successfully if done right. But I will say this BW had all those routes and a foreign CEO came in and dropped all of them and Jetblue stepped in and walked away with the bank.