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Balloonchaser wrote:Is there a chance of Caribbean Airlines either
A.) Going Long Haul Again?
B.) Expanding to another Caribbean Airport as a hub
303dk wrote:[twoid][/twoid]Balloonchaser wrote:So SXM:
This past weekend we saw a lot more cuts for August - February... Why is that? Hotels are back up (somewhat) and the airport is making record recovery..
Why are they cutting more planned service other then trying to revive?
Most hotel rooms aren’t up and running and the majority of the term charter fleet hasn’t been replaced. French side will be lucky to have 25% of their pre-storm hotel rooms. Haven’t seen numbers for the Dutch side, but i suspect it’s about the same.
Thibault973 wrote:CM PTY-PBM now seems more to be a question of when and not why.So according to this article http://www.aviationpros.com/news/12415703/copa-airlines-to-commence-suriname-operations-avianca-officials-visiting, Copa is to announce service to PBM, Surinam soon.
baje427 wrote:For the winter season AA will be adding a third daily BGI-MIA and going daily on the CLT-BGI route. I am kind of surprised to see this expansion to BGI given the economic conditions on the island.
gunnerman wrote:Destinations often provide "marketing support" but are often coy about giving details about it.
Balloonchaser wrote:Is there a chance of Caribbean Airlines either
A.) Going Long Haul Again?
B.) Expanding to another Caribbean Airport as a hub
817Dreamliiner wrote:ANU has 2 Boeing 737 MAX flights today. Both from Sunwing Airlines. First one from YYZ has already landed (Royalton livery), while the second is currently enroute from YUL.
BW600 wrote:817Dreamliiner wrote:ANU has 2 Boeing 737 MAX flights today. Both from Sunwing Airlines. First one from YYZ has already landed (Royalton livery), while the second is currently enroute from YUL.
Flew the MAX 8 a couple weeks ago on WS from CDG-YHZ..felt no different than WS B738 aircraft. Was a let down really.
BWA900 wrote:Some Caribbean aviation news:
D8 has been expanding rapidly in the FWI from North America. French Guiana, Martinique and Guadeloupe are seeing seats from Montreal operated by a B738. In addition FDF and PTP will be tagged to CAY which then will then allow connections to YUL, PVD, FLL and JFK from each respective airport. Possible future of a direct CAY-ORY route?
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... rk-in-w18/
BWA900 wrote:Possible future of a direct CAY-ORY route? /
BW610 wrote:If anyone is interested, just retuned from my first Caribbean Plus flight.
Lots of legroom, pretty much the same as J.
Decent recline.
Seats are better padded than regular economy.
So overall a good flight.
Only unfortunate thing for CAL, is that I don't think I could ever justify buying or upgrading to a J seat anymore.
guyanam wrote:BW's new CEO seems to be quite innovative. I hope this helps their bottom line as T&T's ability to support them diminishes and as they will soon be facing more competition into GEO, possibly resulting in declining yields. This if B6 enters the JFK GEO market.
817Dreamliiner wrote:ANU has 2 Boeing 737 MAX flights today. Both from Sunwing Airlines. First one from YYZ has already landed (Royalton livery), while the second is currently enroute from YUL.
BW600 wrote:Flew the MAX 8 a couple weeks ago on WS from CDG-YHZ..felt no different than WS B738 aircraft. Was a let down really.
BWA900 wrote:Also, prior to the PTY-BGI inaugural flight, CM has changed their scheduled a/c into BGI from the e190 to the Boeing 737-7/8 until August 28th. This could be a result from the huge advertisement efforts happening over in Panama, as some colleagues reported.
Balloonchaser wrote:Now I was looking at AeroMexico’s website and it says SXM in planning. Is it possible that AeroMexico would do MEX-SXM? Would that route be popular?
BWA900 wrote:Some Caribbean aviation news:
Also, prior to the PTY-BGI inaugural flight, CM has changed their scheduled a/c into BGI from the e190 to the Boeing 737-7/8 until August 28th. This could be a result from the huge advertisement efforts happening over in Panama, as some colleagues reported.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t=barbados
caribbean484 wrote:guyanam wrote:BW's new CEO seems to be quite innovative. I hope this helps their bottom line as T&T's ability to support them diminishes and as they will soon be facing more competition into GEO, possibly resulting in declining yields. This if B6 enters the JFK GEO market.
Hopefully its for the better, the a/cs are really dated now and I don't believe the seats (Other than Premium Economy) will be updated since they sent out a RFP a couple of months ago, and it is said they are considering proposals from Airbus and Boeing for NEOs or MAX. I expect CAL to stay with Boeing but who knows what Airbus will give them.
caribbean484 wrote:BW610 wrote:If anyone is interested, just retuned from my first Caribbean Plus flight.
Lots of legroom, pretty much the same as J.
Decent recline.
Seats are better padded than regular economy.
So overall a good flight.
Only unfortunate thing for CAL, is that I don't think I could ever justify buying or upgrading to a J seat anymore.
That was the point of introducing Premium economy, I remembered years ago that it was said MIA, YYZ and POS-KIN were the only routes where Business was consistently in high demand. JFK, FLL, MCO and GEO where CAL runs multiple 737 flights per day is where demand for business service was low and free upgrades were given. In order to tighten the upgrades on these routes it was recommended by the consultants to reduce Business and introduce premium economy, more so they should have increased Y to 140 and J at 12. CAL was inefficient in using its space on the 737 while everyone and their mother was getting a free ride in business.
beeweel15 wrote:A while ago there was much debate on whether it is a good idea to operate regional jets in the Caribbean. Now InterCaribbean and WesternAir have both acquired the ERJ145 to use on their route networks. What everyones opinion on those acquisitions.
yellowtail wrote:The difference is that they operate from outside the region to the region using regional jets. The criticism re regional jets was for island hopping operations entirely within the region because of the higher cost of operation vs props and the wear and tear on the aircraft due to high frequency ops without much of a speed advantage due to short length of flights.beeweel15 wrote:A while ago there was much debate on whether it is a good idea to operate regional jets in the Caribbean. Now InterCaribbean and WesternAir have both acquired the ERJ145 to use on their route networks. What everyones opinion on those acquisitions.
CM has operated Regional jets in the Caribbean for some time NAS, POS, BZE, KIN, MBJ, SXM, AUA, CUR all see them or have seen CM E-jets at some point. E145s are pretty cheap right now, so should be low risk for those carriers.
Even AA has started using E175s to some Caribbean and Central American destinations from MIA. And IIRC AMs new MEX PUJ service is E195.
Brickell305 wrote:yellowtail wrote:The difference is that they operate from outside the region to the region using regional jets. The criticism re regional jets was for island hopping operations entirely within the region because of the higher cost of operation vs props and the wear and tear on the aircraft due to high frequency ops without much of a speed advantage due to short length of flights.beeweel15 wrote:A while ago there was much debate on whether it is a good idea to operate regional jets in the Caribbean. Now InterCaribbean and WesternAir have both acquired the ERJ145 to use on their route networks. What everyones opinion on those acquisitions.
CM has operated Regional jets in the Caribbean for some time NAS, POS, BZE, KIN, MBJ, SXM, AUA, CUR all see them or have seen CM E-jets at some point. E145s are pretty cheap right now, so should be low risk for those carriers.
Even AA has started using E175s to some Caribbean and Central American destinations from MIA. And IIRC AMs new MEX PUJ service is E195.
gunnerman wrote:For island hopping, it's a no brainer to use turboprops which are designed for precisely this sort of short flights and possibly short runways as well. Does anyone remember Carib Express which lasted just 14 months until April 1996? I used them on a BGI-SLU return journey on the BAe 146-100, and couldn't help thinking how hard it must be to make money especially on flights with many empty seats.
beeweel15 wrote:A while ago there was much debate on whether it is a good idea to operate regional jets in the Caribbean. Now InterCaribbean and WesternAir have both acquired the ERJ145 to use on their route networks. What everyones opinion on those acquisitions.
“The other reason we came here was to meet with Caribbean Airlines (CAL) and that we did as we got off the plane. Together with our Minister of Economic Development Steven Martina and the Ambassador of the Dutch Kingdom, stationed here in TT, Jules Bijl, we met with CAL CEO Garvin Madera. We had a very good meeting we gave the figures of arrival tourists, where they are staying, bookings with travel agencies, and information from Curinde (Curacao Industrial and International Trade Development Company) and they were very impressed with the TT visitors of the free zone.”
BW600 wrote:Curacao seems to be courting BW to begin flights to CUR from POS. BWIA flew this route in the past with the Dash 8 and later on with the B738 continuing on to SDQ I believe.“The other reason we came here was to meet with Caribbean Airlines (CAL) and that we did as we got off the plane. Together with our Minister of Economic Development Steven Martina and the Ambassador of the Dutch Kingdom, stationed here in TT, Jules Bijl, we met with CAL CEO Garvin Madera. We had a very good meeting we gave the figures of arrival tourists, where they are staying, bookings with travel agencies, and information from Curinde (Curacao Industrial and International Trade Development Company) and they were very impressed with the TT visitors of the free zone.”
https://newsday.co.tt/2018/07/09/airlif ... -business/
guyanam wrote:It will be interesting given T&T's diminished economy. What I found interesting was that PY didn't increase frequencies on this route when Insel abandoned it. Is there really all the demand that some insist that there is? Or just nostalgia for an era when T&Ts economy was stronger so there was more "discretionary" travel?
aa1818 wrote:As diminished as it might be due to the drop in oil prices, the T&T economy remains quite robust and businesses (albeit not all) are stronger today than they were two or three years ago.
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Cheers,
AA1818
baje427 wrote:Isn't Inter Caribbean planning to use the E145 on the longer routes as well as expansion? I would think if they plan on using them on 30 minute hops they might run into some trouble. I would not consider the E190 CM uses a regional jet to be honest.
yellowtail wrote:How long before CM tries PTY UVF?
Looks like the Antilles are about to get another storm. though nowhere on the scale of 2017, prayers to all.
dominicl316 wrote:baje427 wrote:Isn't Inter Caribbean planning to use the E145 on the longer routes as well as expansion? I would think if they plan on using them on 30 minute hops they might run into some trouble. I would not consider the E190 CM uses a regional jet to be honest.
InterCaribbean is using the E145 on their upcoming EIS-SDQ-KIN service.
BWA900 wrote:Some Caribbean aviation news:
D8 has been expanding rapidly in the FWI from North America. French Guiana, Martinique and Guadeloupe are seeing seats from Montreal operated by a B738. In addition FDF and PTP will be tagged to CAY which then will then allow connections to YUL, PVD, FLL and JFK from each respective airport. Possible future of a direct CAY-ORY route?
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... rk-in-w18/
Also, prior to the PTY-BGI inaugural flight, CM has changed their scheduled a/c into BGI from the e190 to the Boeing 737-7/8 until August 28th. This could be a result from the huge advertisement efforts happening over in Panama, as some colleagues reported.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t=barbados
guyanam wrote:Not sure if the pilots were actually born and raised bajans or Panamanian children/grandchildren/greatgrandchildren of bajans.Two Bajan pilots. That is interesting. I wonder how they ended up there. If the first outbound was full that means that Bajans are also using the flight.
Zidane wrote:Part of the due dilligence of starting GEO, CM studied the % of GEO passenegers on its POS flights. IMHO, if there’s a sizable % of St Lucians on CM POS/BGI flights is ok to think UVF might be on CM radar.yellowtail wrote:How long before CM tries PTY UVF?
Looks like the Antilles are about to get another storm. though nowhere on the scale of 2017, prayers to all.
Is there an adequate market between these two?
UVF has grown fast and would need such a route, especially after its long awaited expansion.
2travel2know2 wrote:guyanam wrote:Not sure if the pilots were actually born and raised bajans or Panamanian children/grandchildren/greatgrandchildren of bajans.Two Bajan pilots. That is interesting. I wonder how they ended up there. If the first outbound was full that means that Bajans are also using the flight.
When CM started GEO, the initial flight was actually dedicated to a born and raised CM Guyanese pilot and his daugher was the honoured passeneger.
When opening a new route, CM loves to find links between its staff and the newly opened destination as a way to make them feel more familiar with the company.Zidane wrote:Part of the due dilligence of starting GEO, CM studied the % of GEO passenegers on its POS flights. IMHO, if there’s a sizable % of St Lucians on CM POS/BGI flights is ok to think UVF might be on CM radar.yellowtail wrote:How long before CM tries PTY UVF?
Looks like the Antilles are about to get another storm. though nowhere on the scale of 2017, prayers to all.
Is there an adequate market between these two?
UVF has grown fast and would need such a route, especially after its long awaited expansion.
That¨s not what I would think of CM with AF code-share to Martinique and/or Guadeloupe. PBM might stand a chance of making it to CM network faster than the French Antilles.
guyanam wrote:Two Bajan pilots. That is interesting. I wonder how they ended up there. If the first outbound was full that means that Bajans are also using the flight.