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nmraja wrote:Since there's no word about any possibility of a PDX-CDG flight in the near future, let me ask this question. Is there any chance of extending the seasonal PDX-LHR service beyond October this year or a possible increase in frequency in summer time?
FA9295 wrote:
I doubt it. I would think that DL would announce a summer seasonal PDX-CDG flight rather than increase the frequency of another route. (More destinations/options for travelers, w/o having to increase flight frequencies). I imagine that it would probably look something like this.
PDX-CDG / CDG-PDX: Boeing 767-300ER (summer seasonal - 4x weekly)
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FA9295 wrote:Re-adding this since the 2017 thread was just locked:
Air Canada had PDX-YYZ listed as year-round for a few months or so, but it was recently pulled back to seasonal (ending in October). I wonder what's keeping them from running this route year-round, granted that they already have a daily YYZ-SEA flight (2x daily during peak season times) which are already intact...
jsta1981 wrote:
Seattle has the business traffic to sustain year around and nearly double the population in its metro region. Hope this is helpful!
BlatantEcho wrote:^^** Let’s not do this again.
For various reasons SeaTac has 2x the traffic of pdx generally. Alaska has said it and it’s easy to imagine.
Let’s move on. Portland is a better city anyway :):)
Seriously, need year doing lhr or cdg and icn and we are SET!
FA9295 wrote:Re-adding this since the 2017 thread was just locked:
Air Canada had PDX-YYZ listed as year-round for a few months or so, but it was recently pulled back to seasonal (ending in October). I wonder what's keeping them from running this route year-round, granted that they already have a daily YYZ-SEA flight (2x daily during peak season times) which are already intact...
pdxav8r wrote:FA9295 wrote:Re-adding this since the 2017 thread was just locked:
Air Canada had PDX-YYZ listed as year-round for a few months or so, but it was recently pulled back to seasonal (ending in October). I wonder what's keeping them from running this route year-round, granted that they already have a daily YYZ-SEA flight (2x daily during peak season times) which are already intact...
You can get most anywhere in Canada via YVR and YYC on AC, and the YYZ flights are predominantly for EUR connections. With Icelandair extending their seasons year over year (even Condor to a lesser extent), the low season is pretty well covered.
pdxav8r wrote:Has Volaris gone daily to try to fight off Aeromexico? Looks lately that they have been daily, or close to daily. Seasonal adjustment?
twincommander wrote:pdxav8r wrote:Has Volaris gone daily to try to fight off Aeromexico? Looks lately that they have been daily, or close to daily. Seasonal adjustment?
Seasonal. Ends tonight.
FA9295 wrote:twincommander wrote:pdxav8r wrote:Has Volaris gone daily to try to fight off Aeromexico? Looks lately that they have been daily, or close to daily. Seasonal adjustment?
Seasonal. Ends tonight.
No. Volaris is currently serving PDX-GDL year-round (4x weekly) on the Airbus A320.
RWA380 wrote:
Here we are 25 years later & PDX has FI, DE & DL non-stops to Europe & AC is still trying to capture seasonal traffic to Europe & hopefully enough traffic to keep the route on a year around basis.
jbpdx wrote:RWA380 wrote:
Here we are 25 years later & PDX has FI, DE & DL non-stops to Europe & AC is still trying to capture seasonal traffic to Europe & hopefully enough traffic to keep the route on a year around basis.
If Air Canada can’t make the route work year round with an E190, the problem lies with them. Like several other airlines, they prefer to route Portland passengers through their hubs.
jbpdx wrote:If anyone adds PDX-CDG, it will be Norwegian. Doubtful about BA; OneWorld will likely focus on Asia from Portland.
ooslc wrote:FA9295 wrote:twincommander wrote:
Seasonal. Ends tonight.
No. Volaris is currently serving PDX-GDL year-round (4x weekly) on the Airbus A320.
I think he/she meant the daily flight ends tonight. It goes back to 4x week afterwards. So yeah it's just a seasonal thing upgrading it to daily.
RWA380 wrote:Thanks for the detailed insight. Very interesting.pdxav8r wrote:FA9295 wrote:Re-adding this since the 2017 thread was just locked:
Air Canada had PDX-YYZ listed as year-round for a few months or so, but it was recently pulled back to seasonal (ending in October). I wonder what's keeping them from running this route year-round, granted that they already have a daily YYZ-SEA flight (2x daily during peak season times) which are already intact...
You can get most anywhere in Canada via YVR and YYC on AC, and the YYZ flights are predominantly for EUR connections. With Icelandair extending their seasons year over year (even Condor to a lesser extent), the low season is pretty well covered.
This is exactly it. When AC first came to PDX, 1990 IIRC, via Air BC from YVR on the Dash-8's, I went to an Air Canada presentation, as I was a travel agent at the time. The Air Canada rep told all ten of us that attended, that AC had plans of connecting PDX to YYZ in the long term, but had to cultivate the market before the powers that be would approve such a route. Me & My friend each got free passes anywhere Air BC flew at the time, that's another fun story, including my one & only Bae-146 flight.
The number one reason, that came up over & over, that AC connected west coast cities to YYZ for European connections & it was hoped back then, that AC would end up being a sizeable player in the Portland to Europe market.
Again when AC finally announced the route PDX-YYZ, I went to a breakfast presentation & Europe was the big topic, of course Toronto & Ontario tourism was there, but Europe bulk fares were handed out & it was announced it would be seasonable, but AC expected the flight to survive year round shortly.
Here we are 25 years later & PDX has FI, DE & DL non-stops to Europe & AC is still trying to capture seasonal traffic to Europe & hopefully enough traffic to keep the route on a year around basis.
RWA380 wrote:Here's the OAG goods:
UA IAH-PDX MAY 3>2
UA SFO-PDX MAY 8>7
jbpdx wrote:RWA380 wrote:Here's the OAG goods:
UA IAH-PDX MAY 3>2
UA SFO-PDX MAY 8>7
WN PDX-HOU starts 8 April but still only runs for 4 months. They can’t make that work year round with the limited competition?
jetmatt777 wrote:I'm not a big follower of the PDX market, but it is one that interests me since I lived there for a year and I like to follow what Alaska Air is doing.
Here are the top markets out of PDX that average more than 75 passengers per day (round trip).
Bold are served by Alaska, underlined are served by carriers other than Alaska. Regular font are not served non-stop at all.
Here are the unserved markets out of PDX, that Alaska does not serve on a map, with a generally accepted 1600nm max usable range for the E175.
jetmatt777 wrote:I'm not a big follower of the PDX market, but it is one that interests me since I lived there for a year and I like to follow what Alaska Air is doing.
Here are the top markets out of PDX that average more than 75 passengers per day (round trip).
Bold are served by Alaska, underlined are served by carriers other than Alaska. Regular font are not served non-stop at all.
jbpdx wrote:Has a single new route been announced yet for 2018 at PDX?
nmraja wrote:jetmatt777 wrote:I'm not a big follower of the PDX market, but it is one that interests me since I lived there for a year and I like to follow what Alaska Air is doing.
Here are the top markets out of PDX that average more than 75 passengers per day (round trip).
Bold are served by Alaska, underlined are served by carriers other than Alaska. Regular font are not served non-stop at all.
Nice info. It looks like MSY, MIA, BNA and TPA have good number for AS 737s. With lot of international connections from MIA, I am surprised MIA is not served with a direct flight from PDX, though we may have had one in the past. I vaguely remember an AS flight during 2007 or so.
FA9295 wrote:nmraja wrote:jetmatt777 wrote:I'm not a big follower of the PDX market, but it is one that interests me since I lived there for a year and I like to follow what Alaska Air is doing.
Here are the top markets out of PDX that average more than 75 passengers per day (round trip).
Bold are served by Alaska, underlined are served by carriers other than Alaska. Regular font are not served non-stop at all.
Nice info. It looks like MSY, MIA, BNA and TPA have good number for AS 737s. With lot of international connections from MIA, I am surprised MIA is not served with a direct flight from PDX, though we may have had one in the past. I vaguely remember an AS flight during 2007 or so.
If a PDX-MIA route were to be started, then AA would be the one to do it, not AS.
jetmatt777 wrote:I'm not a big follower of the PDX market, but it is one that interests me since I lived there for a year and I like to follow what Alaska Air is doing.
Here are the top markets out of PDX that average more than 75 passengers per day (round trip).
Bold are served by Alaska, underlined are served by carriers other than Alaska. Regular font are not served non-stop at all.
Here are the unserved markets out of PDX, that Alaska does not serve on a map, with a generally accepted 1600nm max usable range for the E175.
jbpdx wrote:I think AA to MIA is much less likely now with the nonstop to Mexico City, which provides South America connections. JetBlue has lots of connections from FLL to the Caribbean, Alaska doesn’t.
jbpdx wrote:Has a single new route been announced yet for 2018 at PDX?
lhpdx wrote:jbpdx wrote:Has a single new route been announced yet for 2018 at PDX?
I was thinking the same thing....All across the board it almost seems like PDX air service is definitely on the decrease in 2018..............
jbpdx wrote:lhpdx wrote:jbpdx wrote:Has a single new route been announced yet for 2018 at PDX?
I was thinking the same thing....All across the board it almost seems like PDX air service is definitely on the decrease in 2018..............
Appears to be stalling. Not even any news about seasonals going year round. I wonder how much airlines are depending on subsidies to launch routes. For a major airport with 19 million annual passengers, PDX seems to be getting the snub. Or airlines assume that if it’s new to/from Portland, it must be Alaska. People around the country have this misconception.
PDX also must be setting the record for having the fewest ULCC flights: currently just 1 daily each from F9 and NK, and nothing from Allegiant.
jbpdx wrote:I think AA to MIA is much less likely now with the nonstop to Mexico City, which provides South America connections. JetBlue has lots of connections from FLL to the Caribbean, Alaska doesn’t.
nmraja wrote:Since there's no word about any possibility of a PDX-CDG flight in the near future, let me ask this question. Is there any chance of extending the seasonal PDX-LHR service beyond October this year or a possible increase in frequency in summer time?
MatthewDB wrote:nmraja wrote:Since there's no word about any possibility of a PDX-CDG flight in the near future, let me ask this question. Is there any chance of extending the seasonal PDX-LHR service beyond October this year or a possible increase in frequency in summer time?
Is there a firm announcement on the 2018 plans for that route? I went to London in November; the PDX-AMS route was rather lightly filled (second time I've seen that) and the AMS-LHR was over-booked. Not having that second leg after a long flight sure would be nice.
BlatantEcho wrote:I think PDX is just seeing a maturation of service.
We got a lot of new stuff the last few year, so it can take time to digest and stabilize for Airlines.
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I’m going to book the pdx-lhr flight for the first time for a trip to the UK in May. Really happy to have that, even if seasonal for now
PDXPOL wrote:I believe it will after this next summer season. From my understanding Delta had extended the seasonal flight, to start this March instead of May. But that was cancelled due to Virgin Atlantic 787 engine problems. I read some time ago in another thread that the PDX to LHR flight was changed back to May so the aircraft could be used on the East coast, to fill a Virgin flight slot. I can't remember exactly what city and rout. It may be Philadelphia or Pittsburgh, or in that area.
jbpdx wrote:On Monday Cathay Pacific Cargo’s 748 scheduled for LAX-ANC-HKG diverted to Portland then headed nonstop (14 hrs) to Hong Kong bypassing Anchorage. (FlightView)