PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

primetimeDC9 · Wed May 16, 2018 7:04 pm

As for g4
Looks like I don’t have the ability to book to CLE, LCK, MEM, or PIE from AUS after August either. That leaves Pit with only 3 Friday flights, hopefully they are just updating schedules. Loads to AUS and MSY we’re pretty good to and from PIT. I’d also be surprised if this was permanent.

CaptainMidnight · Wed May 16, 2018 8:16 pm

flyPIT wrote:
Here's a diagram from 1991, its last full year. Talk about putting 10 pounds of sh!t in a 5 pound bag.

Hard to think we once had 6 airline clubs. I didn't realize BA had one in the old terminal.

Thanks for this. I was last in the old terminal as a kid and I don't remember too much.

I see Carnival Airlines listed in the West Dock section. This Carnival Airlines? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival_Air_Lines

USPIT10L · Wed May 16, 2018 8:24 pm

IIRC, they were charter flights. They probably operated to FLL and MCO.

flyPIT · Wed May 16, 2018 10:02 pm

CaptainMidnight wrote:
I see Carnival Airlines listed in the West Dock section. This Carnival Airlines? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival_Air_Lines

Yes, that's them. I know they served PIT-NAS regularly and perhaps CUN and MCO as well.

midway7 · Wed May 16, 2018 11:27 pm

What gate is the USAir DC9 parked at? Please post more picks of the old terminal if you have them. From a historical standpoint, I was always fond of that building.

flyPIT · Wed May 16, 2018 11:45 pm

midway7 wrote:
What gate is the USAir DC9 parked at? Please post more picks of the old terminal if you have them. From a historical standpoint, I was always fond of that building.

I think that's gate 44.

flightsimer · Thu May 17, 2018 4:10 pm

Runway28L wrote:
Has WW permanently downgraded PIT from the A321 to the A320neo? The last 5 flights have been on the 320neo according to FR24 and I also haven't seen the A321 here in about a month.

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/WW147

I am working today's flight as well as Friday's so I'm curious to see how many people come off both flights. After all, there should be good LFs with the summer season now underway for TATL travel.

I don't know, but anecdotally, I was walking off the tram in the landside terminal last Sunday as some European passengers were asking the security guard where the gates were. I noticed they had Wow tickets and heard the TSA guy say they had to go back through security before getting on their next flight, which they weren't too happy about. So we are seeing some limited connecting passengers coming through on the WOW flights.

PITexpress · Thu May 17, 2018 7:55 pm

So F9 is adding flights from SAT to CLE and CMH, in addition to already serving CVG, but nothing for PIT? What gives? Have they almost totally given up on PIT?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/f ... 618994002/

ncflyer · Thu May 17, 2018 8:43 pm

Pitexpress I think F9 ads mean nothing or maybe even less than nothing, they are so fleeting and this one seems perhaps even more tenuous than many of the others. I’d be more excited about PIT upgage in frequency to EWR, that’s a sign of lasting demand to a major market and puts PIT ahead of the other airports you mention even though CLE in particular has better UA FF base.

Runway28L · Fri May 18, 2018 12:14 am

Some pics from Air Canada's inaugural service to YUL this afternoon:

Condor's inaugural FRA-PIT flight tomorrow for 2018 is completely sold out at 290 passengers.

PITexpress · Fri May 18, 2018 3:50 pm

Runway28L wrote:
Condor's inaugural FRA-PIT flight tomorrow for 2018 is completely sold out at 290 passengers.

That's exciting!

Condor's having a flight sale right now. Some OW fares from PIT - FRA are just over $300.

https://www.condor.com/us/index.jsp

msycajun · Fri May 18, 2018 4:18 pm

Runway28L wrote:
Condor's inaugural FRA-PIT flight tomorrow for 2018 is completely sold out at 290 passengers.

How is that possible? It looks like the most seats they have on a plane is 275 on the 753 or 259 on the 763, unless they are borrowing from another airline.

Runway28L · Fri May 18, 2018 4:42 pm

msycajun wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
Condor's inaugural FRA-PIT flight tomorrow for 2018 is completely sold out at 290 passengers.

How is that possible? It looks like the most seats they have on a plane is 275 on the 753 or 259 on the 763, unless they are borrowing from another airline.

I believe Condor reconfigured several of their B763s to a high-density configuration this winter, based off of what I overheard. I felt stumped too when I heard it was 290 because that's a lot for a B763 flying TATL.

This may have already been posted way upthread months ago, but Condor will be operating every single configuration of their B763 fleet to PIT this summer compared to last year where they operated a single config only (not sure which one it was though).

ncflyer · Fri May 18, 2018 5:06 pm

You know, Seatguru website has only one thing to do-- yet I find it's not always up to date. It doesn't have the 737 max in Icelandair yet, and it doesn't have a 290 seat configuration for Condor yet. That sure is a big jump up to 290, as others are saying.

Can someone please tell me history of Condor at PIT, how long has it been going? I see it is 3x per week seasonal. I seem to remember 2x last year. Their website is terribly clunky, I just did a dummy booking. On the plus side it was super easy to see which flights available for the $300 fare.

msycajun · Fri May 18, 2018 5:20 pm

Runway28L wrote:
msycajun wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
Condor's inaugural FRA-PIT flight tomorrow for 2018 is completely sold out at 290 passengers.

How is that possible? It looks like the most seats they have on a plane is 275 on the 753 or 259 on the 763, unless they are borrowing from another airline.

I believe Condor reconfigured several of their B763s to a high-density configuration this winter, based off of what I overheard. I felt stumped too when I heard it was 290 because that's a lot for a B763 flying TATL.

This may have already been posted way upthread months ago, but Condor will be operating every single configuration of their B763 fleet to PIT this summer compared to last year where they operated a single config only (not sure which one it was though).

I'd be interested to see what that config is like if that is the case. Wikipedia puts the one class configuration at 290 seats, so unless they did away with premium and business entirely (which I hope they don't) the economy seats would have to be extremely tight.

jbpdx · Fri May 18, 2018 5:32 pm

Condor 767s vary from 245 to 259 seats, according to their website. Their 757s hold 275.

flyPIT · Fri May 18, 2018 11:40 pm

Just look at Condor's website folks. Its the same 3 class config and under 260 seats just like last year; there will be equipment swaps every now and then. The higher capacity aircraft seems to be scheduled at BWI. At PIT it is the 3 class 767 with premium cabins routinely going out full.

ctrabs0114 · Sat May 19, 2018 1:26 am

Stumbled upon a couple of unusual WN movements to/from PIT tonight.

WN8605 PIT-MDW
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA ... /KPIT/KMDW

I'm wondering if this is a repositioning flight, since it's in that number range for such a flight and it's not a regularly scheduled PIT-MDW run that I can see since the last scheduled flight to MDW left at 1805.

WN7110 DSM-PIT
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA ... /KDSM/KPIT

Usually, WN charters are in the 80xx-82xx series; I've never seen a WN charter in the 7xxx-series so I'm wondering what this flight is.

Runway28L · Sat May 19, 2018 1:28 am

Thanks guys for the info. Sorry for the confusion as there was a mixup regarding the config.

More from today's inaugural flight for Summer 2018:

FlightLevel360 · Sat May 19, 2018 1:38 am

Just flew out PIT today after returning from Intel ISEF. This airport could use WAAAYYY more capacity... anyone know of plans to turn it into a major connecting hub (sorry I am new here on this thread and have not looked at most of the previous posts)?

Runway28L · Sat May 19, 2018 3:01 am

ctrabs0114 wrote:
Stumbled upon a couple of unusual WN movements to/from PIT tonight.

WN8605 PIT-MDW
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA ... /KPIT/KMDW

I'm wondering if this is a repositioning flight, since it's in that number range for such a flight and it's not a regularly scheduled PIT-MDW run that I can see since the last scheduled flight to MDW left at 1805.

WN7110 DSM-PIT
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA ... /KDSM/KPIT

Usually, WN charters are in the 80xx-82xx series; I've never seen a WN charter in the 7xxx-series so I'm wondering what this flight is.

WN8605 was indeed a reposition flight.

WN7110 may have been a military charter. WN has sometimes done those here.

FlightLevel360 wrote:
Just flew out PIT today after returning from Intel ISEF. This airport could use WAAAYYY more capacity... anyone know of plans to turn it into a major connecting hub (sorry I am new here on this thread and have not looked at most of the previous posts)?

The airside terminal is indeed too big for some of the ops today, but the landside terminal I'd argue is too small for the number of passengers going through. The alternate security checkpoint was total chaos today when I went through at 5pm and this was made even worse when one of the screening machines broke. I can't imagine how bad the main line was downstairs. :crazy:

This is because the airport is now O&D focused in a facility designed for connecting passengers. To better align with demands, the airport is building a brand new landside terminal that will be connected to the current airside terminal which will knock out some of the gates in Concourse C and D. It's discussed at length upthread.

FlightLevel360 · Sat May 19, 2018 3:44 am

Runway28L wrote:
The airside terminal is indeed too big for some of the ops today, but the landside terminal I'd argue is too small for the number of passengers going through. The alternate security checkpoint was total chaos today when I went through at 5pm and this was made even worse when one of the screening machines broke. I can't imagine how bad the main line was downstairs.

This is because the airport is now O&D focused in a facility designed for connecting passengers. To better align with demands, the airport is building a brand new landside terminal that will be connected to the current airside terminal which will knock out some of the gates in Concourse C and D. It's discussed at length upthread.

True; I went through the alternate checkpoint today as well and waited in line for more than 45 minutes. This was 2:30 PM.

ConcourseZ · Mon May 21, 2018 7:02 pm

Allegiant article
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/625766002

Cush · Mon May 21, 2018 10:21 pm

I wanted to get the input of you fellow PIT fans... Why is our service to LAS so limited? I wanted to book a last minute (i.e. 2 weeks out) getaway to Las Vegas for a few days, but only wanted to fly nonstop since we would only be there for 3 days 2 nights.

Our options were: (2 people)
- Spirit Airlines - $500 total r/t with taxes
- Southwest Airlines - $1538 r/t with taxes
- Frontier (did not offer flights on dates needed)

That was it... I checked out the legacy carriers (AA, DL, UA), but after layovers/connecting, the flights were too long for the short trip we would be taking, plus the prices were around $800-1200 for two people.

I was curious why Allegiant doesn't offer service to LAS on their A319. Since a lot of charters do packages with hotels, etc, I figured it would be a no-brainer that Allegiant would fly this route, and was surprised they did not.

Any chance we see a legacy carrier begin non-stop service to LAS sometime in the future? I am more than happy to fly Spirit (paid for big front seat too), but was shocked at the high prices charged by Southwest. Yikes!

Runway28L · Mon May 21, 2018 10:42 pm

Cush wrote:
I wanted to get the input of you fellow PIT fans... Why is our service to LAS so limited? I wanted to book a last minute (i.e. 2 weeks out) getaway to Las Vegas for a few days, but only wanted to fly nonstop since we would only be there for 3 days 2 nights.

Our options were: (2 people)
- Spirit Airlines - $500 total r/t with taxes
- Southwest Airlines - $1538 r/t with taxes
- Frontier (did not offer flights on dates needed)

That was it... I checked out the legacy carriers (AA, DL, UA), but after layovers/connecting, the flights were too long for the short trip we would be taking, plus the prices were around $800-1200 for two people.

I was curious why Allegiant doesn't offer service to LAS on their A319. Since a lot of charters do packages with hotels, etc, I figured it would be a no-brainer that Allegiant would fly this route, and was surprised they did not.

Any chance we see a legacy carrier begin non-stop service to LAS sometime in the future? I am more than happy to fly Spirit (paid for big front seat too), but was shocked at the high prices charged by Southwest. Yikes!

WN could add some more capacity to LAS since their 2 daily flights are usually very full. I imagine once WN is able to start adding redeyes to their network, I think it's very possible a 3rd daily flight could be added. As for G4, I think it's only a matter of time for them to jump on board.

I don't see any legacy carrier hopping on that route. Both PIT and LAS are spokes for the US3 and they'd rather funnel pax through hubs. DL probably has the highest chance since they seem more open to P2P flying but even those chances are very small.

On a side note, LAS was the very last route US cut from PIT which I believe was in 2010. And that seemed more of US dehubbing LAS than that of continued dismantlment of PIT.

ctrabs0114 · Tue May 22, 2018 2:48 am

Apparently, WW is planning to go year round between PIT-KEF; from the weekly OAG update thread:

WW PIT-KEF NOV 0>0.6 DEC 0>0.5 JAN 0>0.5

flyPIT · Tue May 22, 2018 3:28 am

ctrabs0114 wrote:
Apparently, WW is planning to go year round between PIT-KEF; from the weekly OAG update thread:

WW PIT-KEF NOV 0>0.6 DEC 0>0.5 JAN 0>0.5

It’s always been year round.

ctrabs0114 · Tue May 22, 2018 4:54 am

flyPIT wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
Apparently, WW is planning to go year round between PIT-KEF; from the weekly OAG update thread:

WW PIT-KEF NOV 0>0.6 DEC 0>0.5 JAN 0>0.5

It’s always been year round.

Oh. I might have misread that entry then, because it would have implied that there was no winter service by WW.

Cush · Tue May 22, 2018 11:47 pm

Did anyone see the heavy arrival this afternoon? It was a Cargojet (flight 991) from Hamilton (YHM) to Pittsburgh (PIT). Aircraft was a 767-300.

Curious what it was doing on that route to PIT? I was standing outside Lowe's and heard this loud roar. I knew it was a big plane and sure enough this massive 763 came flying so close overhead. I should have snapped a photo, but i was dumbfounded who it was until i checked out FlightAware.

ctrabs0114 · Wed May 23, 2018 2:47 am

Cush wrote:
Did anyone see the heavy arrival this afternoon? It was a Cargojet (flight 991) from Hamilton (YHM) to Pittsburgh (PIT). Aircraft was a 767-300.

Curious what it was doing on that route to PIT? I was standing outside Lowe's and heard this loud roar. I knew it was a big plane and sure enough this massive 763 came flying so close overhead. I should have snapped a photo, but i was dumbfounded who it was until i checked out FlightAware.

From what I picked up on FlightAware, it was heading some somewhere in South Georgia but it looks as though it was diverted to PIT on the outbound flight. CJT992 made a return flight from Brunswick, GA (BQK) to YHM this evening.

JamesRenard · Thu May 24, 2018 11:50 pm

WW is back to using the A321 for PIT-KEF. Yesterday's flight was operated with TF-DOG, and today's with TF-PRO.

Runway28L · Fri May 25, 2018 4:37 am

The first PIT-CDG flight of the year departing this evening with a nice water cannon salute:

flyPIT · Fri May 25, 2018 3:49 pm

Boutique Air is applying to bring back the JHW-PIT route, as well as some of the others currently served by Southern.
http://www.post-journal.com/news/page-one/2018/05/boutique-air-outlines-plan-for-service-at-jamestown-airport/

rajincajun01 · Fri May 25, 2018 4:42 pm

flyPIT wrote:
Boutique Air is applying to bring back the JHW-PIT route, as well as some of the others currently served by Southern.
http://www.post-journal.com/news/page-one/2018/05/boutique-air-outlines-plan-for-service-at-jamestown-airport/

Boutique has a very solid reputation in the cities it serves. Upper 90’s in completion. Comfortable planes. CEO is fairly involved.

flyPIT · Fri May 25, 2018 5:17 pm

rajincajun01 wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
Boutique Air is applying to bring back the JHW-PIT route, as well as some of the others currently served by Southern.
http://www.post-journal.com/news/page-one/2018/05/boutique-air-outlines-plan-for-service-at-jamestown-airport/

Boutique has a very solid reputation in the cities it serves. Upper 90’s in completion. Comfortable planes. CEO is fairly involved.

As does Southern. I'd like to see Southern get to keep what they built up, especially with the AA codeshare coming.

PITflier · Fri May 25, 2018 10:32 pm

flyPIT wrote:
rajincajun01 wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
Boutique Air is applying to bring back the JHW-PIT route, as well as some of the others currently served by Southern.
http://www.post-journal.com/news/page-one/2018/05/boutique-air-outlines-plan-for-service-at-jamestown-airport/

Boutique has a very solid reputation in the cities it serves. Upper 90’s in completion. Comfortable planes. CEO is fairly involved.

As does Southern. I'd like to see Southern get to keep what they built up, especially with the AA codeshare coming.

Boutique already has a codeshare with United though which would probably mean they'd funnel more people to Washington.

flyPIT · Fri May 25, 2018 10:55 pm

PITflier wrote:
Boutique already has a codeshare with United though which would probably mean they'd funnel more people to Washington.

The application specifically states JHW-PIT, not JHW-IAD. If you mean Jamestown passengers who are traveling to Washington as a final destination via PIT, AA flies PIT-DCA 4x daily.

ConcourseZ · Sun May 27, 2018 6:50 am

Southwest expansion plans.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... ii-launch/

flyPIT · Sun May 27, 2018 10:59 am

ConcourseZ wrote:
Southwest expansion plans.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... ii-launch/

?? I don't see any mention of PIT. Here is the Southwest Network thread:
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1384993&hilit=Southwest+Network

flyPIT · Sun May 27, 2018 12:22 pm

Alaska Airlines VP of Sales was a guest on "Our Region's Business" a few weeks ago. Topics discussed were:
- Business ties between Pittsburgh and Seattle
- Condor Airlines partnership
- Growth in local tech industry
- Potential for additional service

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK9hQ___LHQ

Service starts Sept. 6.

cvgComair · Sun May 27, 2018 5:37 pm

Runway28L wrote:
Supposedly it appears that PIT-IND/BDL will switch from OneJet to Ultimate...?

I see that Ultimate operates E135s and Do328 JETs. Any idea which equipment type both of those routes could see?

That particular route will see the 328's.

Runway28L · Sun May 27, 2018 5:38 pm

Supposedly it appears that PIT-IND/BDL will switch from OneJet to Ultimate...?

I see that Ultimate operates E135s and Do328 JETs. Any idea which equipment type both of those routes could see?

cvgComair · Sun May 27, 2018 5:41 pm

No idea why my post is going above yours, but it will be the 328. BUF-ALB is the other route UE will operate for J1, and it will be on the 135.

I am not sure how the aircraft will get to these locations, perhaps the new routes they are supposed to add out will help clarify this. I could see something like UE opening CVG-PIT-ALB to rotate the 135 and LUK-BNA-PIT to rotate the 328's.

ConcourseZ · Sun May 27, 2018 6:48 pm

flyPIT wrote:
ConcourseZ wrote:
Southwest expansion plans.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... ii-launch/

?? I don't see any mention of PIT. Here is the Southwest Network thread:
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1384993&hilit=Southwest+Network

Exactly.

ConcourseZ · Sun May 27, 2018 6:56 pm

On another note, I just flew today a Swiss C Series from BUD to ZHR. 2-2 First class configuration and 2-3 in coach. From a flyer’s perspective, this is a very comfortable aircraft. I was in row 24 of 26 with a very nice seat pitch. Cabin noise seemed comparable to any modern single isle. The seat backs had two bottle holders. Each overhead unit had a small screen for showing safety video. Otherwise, it became a standard in-flight map with the usual info. That would be my only complaint. The brightness was too low to make anything readable. It’s a nice Dc-9/MD80/717 replacement. The cabin felt roomier than those.

flyPIT · Sun May 27, 2018 7:23 pm

ConcourseZ wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
ConcourseZ wrote:
Southwest expansion plans.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... ii-launch/

?? I don't see any mention of PIT. Here is the Southwest Network thread:
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1384993&hilit=Southwest+Network

Exactly.

What "Exactly"?

cvgComair wrote:
I am not sure how the aircraft will get to these locations, perhaps the new routes they are supposed to add out will help clarify this. I could see something like UE opening CVG-PIT-ALB to rotate the 135 and LUK-BNA-PIT to rotate the 328's.

I doubt we will see them operate at the FBO in BNA or PIT (assuming through flight), so by extension a link with LUK is ruled out due to the TSA. Split airports in Cincinnati is already an anomaly for such a small operation. Split operations at the same airport would be ridiculous. Long term I see the combined scheduled operation revolving around OneJet's model of using passenger terminals at main airports, not what Ultimate has been doing.

ConcourseZ · Sun May 27, 2018 7:38 pm

flyPIT wrote:
ConcourseZ wrote:
flyPIT wrote:

?? I don't see any mention of PIT. Here is the Southwest Network thread:
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1384993&hilit=Southwest+Network

Exactly.

What "Exactly"?

No mention of PIT. They seem to be focusing on bigger things.

cvgComair wrote:
I am not sure how the aircraft will get to these locations, perhaps the new routes they are supposed to add out will help clarify this. I could see something like UE opening CVG-PIT-ALB to rotate the 135 and LUK-BNA-PIT to rotate the 328's.

I doubt we will see them operate at the FBO in BNA or PIT (assuming through flight), so by extension a link with LUK is ruled out due to the TSA. Split airports in Cincinnati is already an anomaly for such a small operation. Split operations at the same airport would be ridiculous. Long term I see the combined scheduled operation revolving around OneJet's model of using passenger terminals at main airports, not what Ultimate has been doing.

flyPIT · Sun May 27, 2018 8:18 pm

ConcourseZ wrote:
No mention of PIT. They seem to be focusing on bigger things.

Beyond Hawaii it gave no mention of focusing anywhere specific but had plenty of vague words such as "could" and "may", and all with a "25 year" qualifier lol; so I have no idea what the relevance to PIT vs anywhere else was supposed to be but whatever.

Cush · Sun May 27, 2018 8:41 pm

Just flew back today from LAS on Spirit. The outbound from PIT-LAS was 100% full, including the big front seats that we had. The flight attendants were busy the entire flight as it seemed almost everyone ordered a drink, food, or both at least once. What's funny is, the flight was delayed 1 hour, yet, we still arrived exactly on time. The only thing i didn't like was that due to the quick turn around time, the seats were rather dirty and grimy. I know planes only get cleaned when they RON, but still, jeez. Even though we arrived on time, it took exactly 1 hour for the bags to arrive on the belt in LAS, and that was after they announced moving 3 different times.

LAS-PIT segment was about 90-95% full, however, only 3 pax in the big front seats (out of 10 possible). I didn't see a single person purchase food or beverage on this flight. What was nice was, since it was a red eye, there were no usual announcements, sales pitches, etc. Was able to get a little sleep before landing back in PIT.

I want to give kudos to the gate agent working our outbound flight on Thursday. She was probably the most professional agent i've ever seen working anywhere around the world. She was polite, professional, and also constantly updating passengers with information, and preparing them for the flight. If only all agents could be like her. Props to whoever you are!!

flyPIT · Sun May 27, 2018 9:11 pm

Speaking of Spirit, I find it a bit interesting they have gone all A319 at PIT, but 2/3 of their LBE destinations are still A320. Specifically, MYR and MCO.

Also interesting, as anemic as F9 has been at PIT their sole 3x weekly flight to DEN is with an A321.

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