PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

ctrabs0114 · Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:32 am

From this week's OAG adjustment thread:

F9 DEN-PIT AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 1.0>0.4

UA EWR-PIT OCT 8>9

Sounds like F9 is really souring on PIT (though, considering they already dropped to destinations, that's not much of a shock).

Runway28L · Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:23 am

ctrabs0114 wrote:
From this week's OAG adjustment thread:

F9 DEN-PIT AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 1.0>0.4

UA EWR-PIT OCT 8>9

Sounds like F9 is really souring on PIT (though, considering they already dropped to destinations, that's not much of a shock).

That's how F9 is currently operating to DEN: 3x weekly on an A319. But yes, definitely a change from the daily A320 of a year ago.

I don't think EWR has ever been that high in frequency before IIRC. UA has had a bit of a renaissance here in the past few months which I never would've expected.

USPIT10L · Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:47 pm

The original PeoplExpress had 11 a day in February of 1985, and up to 14 a day in July of 1984, so it's been a long time since a UA/CO affiliate or mainline had that many departures on PITEWR.

JamesRenard · Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:56 pm

Google flights shows F9 switching from the A319 to an A321 from May 1st for their PIT-DEN service.

ConcourseZ · Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:16 pm

"Flight records show which Amazon HQ2 cities Jeff Bezos' jet has visited — and which it hasn't"
Interesting to speculate but this really doesn't tell anything. Watch for the announcement in November, though.
https://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/ ... j=81203371

flyPIT · Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:36 am

4 architecture finalists have been selected for the terminal revamp. Some very nice projects from all 4:

AECOM
https://www.aecom.com/projects/?qm%5B%5D=2667&pp=3

Corgan
http://www.corgan.com/our-work/

Gensler
https://www.gensler.com/projects/advanced-search?s=title&v=grid&k=airport

Luis Vidal + Architects
https://luisvidal.com/en/projects/transportation

ConcourseZ · Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:53 am

Nice work by all four!
This one from AECOM resembles PIT.
https://www.aecom.com/projects/midfield ... &qp=&qt=12

ctrabs0114 · Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:38 am

ConcourseZ wrote:
"Flight records show which Amazon HQ2 cities Jeff Bezos' jet has visited — and which it hasn't"
Interesting to speculate but this really doesn't tell anything. Watch for the announcement in November, though.
https://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/ ... j=81203371

For the benefit of those of us who can't get past the paywall, could you please summarize a little bit of this article?

flyPIT · Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:19 am

ctrabs0114 wrote:
ConcourseZ wrote:
"Flight records show which Amazon HQ2 cities Jeff Bezos' jet has visited — and which it hasn't"
Interesting to speculate but this really doesn't tell anything. Watch for the announcement in November, though.
https://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/ ... j=81203371

For the benefit of those of us who can't get past the paywall, could you please summarize a little bit of this article?

The biggest non-article I ever read. It said nothing of substance regarding HQ2.

ConcourseZ · Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:55 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
ConcourseZ wrote:
"Flight records show which Amazon HQ2 cities Jeff Bezos' jet has visited — and which it hasn't"
Interesting to speculate but this really doesn't tell anything. Watch for the announcement in November, though.
https://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/ ... j=81203371

For the benefit of those of us who can't get past the paywall, could you please summarize a little bit of this article?

It basically tracked the private jet and where it's been. Some of the stops would be routine but for those other stops, no passenger info is available nor purpose of the visit. Mentioned a few of the big cities where the plane has visited (e.g. LA), but the majority of the cities have not hosted the jet. I would think, with Amazon's secrecy need, that those visiting the HQ2 potential cities would do so under cover, such as chartering a plane, not using Bezos' jet. As flyPIT said, an article of no substance.

acentauri · Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:11 am

ConcourseZ wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
ConcourseZ wrote:
"Flight records show which Amazon HQ2 cities Jeff Bezos' jet has visited — and which it hasn't"
Interesting to speculate but this really doesn't tell anything. Watch for the announcement in November, though.
https://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/ ... j=81203371

For the benefit of those of us who can't get past the paywall, could you please summarize a little bit of this article?

It basically tracked the private jet and where it's been. Some of the stops would be routine but for those other stops, no passenger info is available nor purpose of the visit. Mentioned a few of the big cities where the plane has visited (e.g. LA), but the majority of the cities have not hosted the jet. I would think, with Amazon's secrecy need, that those visiting the HQ2 potential cities would do so under cover, such as chartering a plane, not using Bezos' jet. As flyPIT said, an article of no substance.

I believe, these are the cities that have acknowledged a completed HQ2 visit: Denver, Washington (3 - DC and MD, VA Suburbs), Dallas, Austin, Chicago, Philadelphia, New York City and Newark ?

Midwestindy · Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:25 am

acentauri wrote:
ConcourseZ wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:

For the benefit of those of us who can't get past the paywall, could you please summarize a little bit of this article?

It basically tracked the private jet and where it's been. Some of the stops would be routine but for those other stops, no passenger info is available nor purpose of the visit. Mentioned a few of the big cities where the plane has visited (e.g. LA), but the majority of the cities have not hosted the jet. I would think, with Amazon's secrecy need, that those visiting the HQ2 potential cities would do so under cover, such as chartering a plane, not using Bezos' jet. As flyPIT said, an article of no substance.

I believe, these are the cities that have acknowledged a completed HQ2 visit: Denver, Washington (3 - DC and MD, VA Suburbs), Dallas, Austin, Chicago, Philadelphia, New York City and Newark ?

Indianapolis
https://www.ibj.com/articles/68212-amaz ... hq2-search

PITflier · Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:19 pm

flyPIT wrote:
4 architecture finalists have been selected for the terminal revamp. Some very nice projects from all 4:

AECOM
https://www.aecom.com/projects/?qm%5B%5D=2667&pp=3

Corgan
http://www.corgan.com/our-work/

Gensler
https://www.gensler.com/projects/advanced-search?s=title&v=grid&k=airport

Luis Vidal + Architects
https://luisvidal.com/en/projects/transportation

I am 100% pulling for Gensler or Luis Vidal. I've never been in a Gensler building I didn't like (they designed the new PNC building downtown) and Luis Vidal designed my (visually) favorite airport Madrid Barajas.

PITflier · Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:33 pm

I really lucked out tomorrow, my WN PIT-LAX flight is on the Max 8.

PITflier · Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:11 pm

Only 122 of 175 seats booked, not exactly great.

flightsimer · Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:29 pm

ConcourseZ wrote:
Nice work by all four!
This one from AECOM resembles PIT.
https://www.aecom.com/projects/midfield ... &qp=&qt=12

Very much so, I had to do a double take when I saw it glancing through the list, except those are all wide bodies while Pit will be full of RJ's and small narrow bodies :lol:

JamesRenard · Sat Apr 28, 2018 2:29 am

PITflier wrote:
Only 122 of 175 seats booked, not exactly great.

A coworker mentioned today that Southwest's bookings have dropped since last week's incident. He didn't say where he got the info from though.

Jshank83 · Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:32 am

JamesRenard wrote:
PITflier wrote:
Only 122 of 175 seats booked, not exactly great.

A coworker mentioned today that Southwest's bookings have dropped since last week's incident. He didn't say where he got the info from though.

The CEO for Southwest said it this week.

flyPIT · Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:49 am

"In March, the carrier had its best month yet, transporting 225 U.S. tons of cargo on eight flights, which is about 47 percent of its goal of 480 tons per month.

In December Qatar achieved less than a quarter of its goal . In January and February it reached about 31 percent, according to airport data"
http://triblive.com/local/allegheny/13577506-74/qatar-airways-improves-but-falls-far-short-of-cargo-goal-in-pittsburgh

While it only met half the goal, the figure for March is double that from just 3 months ago. So while they are still short of an arbitrary figure, at least the month to month increases are encouraging.

ctrabs0114 · Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:01 am

PITflier wrote:
Only 122 of 175 seats booked, not exactly great.

I'm curious how you would know the specific number of seats booked on a WN flight. Because it's not as though you have a seat chart to work with as you do with most of the other airlines...

ctrabs0114 · Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:02 am

flyPIT wrote:
"In March, the carrier had its best month yet, transporting 225 U.S. tons of cargo on eight flights, which is about 47 percent of its goal of 480 tons per month.

In December Qatar achieved less than a quarter of its goal . In January and February it reached about 31 percent, according to airport data"
http://triblive.com/local/allegheny/13577506-74/qatar-airways-improves-but-falls-far-short-of-cargo-goal-in-pittsburgh

While it only met half the goal, the figure for March is double that from just 3 months ago. So while they are still short of an arbitrary figure, at least the month to month increases are encouraging.

How much of an impact do you think re-routing the flight via ORD instead of ATL has or will have on the future of QR cargo service to PIT?

flyPIT · Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:10 am

ctrabs0114 wrote:
How much of an impact do you think re-routing the flight via ORD instead of ATL has or will have on the future of QR cargo service to PIT?

I fail to see why the change would help PIT one iota, unless ORD has less volume than ATL meaning there is more space on the plane for PIT cargo. But considering PIT is still well short of the goal I don't see how space limitations on the plane are an issue. If it is that means PIT has been subsidizing QR's ATL operation.

ncflyer · Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:10 pm

Does anyone know why CLE seems to have steadier flights to the west coast than PIT does-- maybe it will equalize over coming years, but CLE has had daily or more than daily service to LAX and SFO for as long as I can remember, without interruption, whereas PIT has been less steady. Yesterday UA ran 2 flights CLE to LAX and both were nearly full. Plus Spirit runs a daily in the shoulder season/summer season to LAX, though I don't know its loads. One theory is that CLE has stronger UA FF base, therefore a lot of loyalty on the SFO hub and LAX kind of sort of UA focus city. A second explanation, though I have no clue if it has any basis, is that CLE has tighter business ties to West Coast than PIT does.

On the other hand, PITs capacity to BOS dwarfs CLE, and also has more seats to ATL and CLT.

The two airports are so close in passenger counts, I find it really interesting to see where each city has better service.

PIT better international obviously, but CLE has so many more seats to ORD. . ..

Flaps · Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:46 pm

flyPIT wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
How much of an impact do you think re-routing the flight via ORD instead of ATL has or will have on the future of QR cargo service to PIT?

I fail to see why the change would help PIT one iota, unless ORD has less volume than ATL meaning there is more space on the plane for PIT cargo. But considering PIT is still well short of the goal I don't see how space limitations on the plane are an issue. If it is that means PIT has been subsidizing QR's ATL operation.

It "should" help considerably. There is more capacity available out of ORD than ATL which in turn makes more capacity available to PIT via ORD than ATL. Available capacity out of ATL has been an off and on issue since the start of service. Another factor is that the ground handling agent in ATL has struggled mightily in getting the flights out on time. The move to ORD is also related to that issue. Thus far the ORD flights have had a significantly better on time percentage than the ATL flights. When they are late the delay has also been considerably shorter than those typical of ATL (say 40 mins vs 2+ hours).

Too soon to say for certain that the new routing will be a success but "so far" everything is going as planned with the change. Capacity for PIT is up, volume outbound from PIT is up and the flights are running much closer to schedule. I don't think anyone expected this project to be a slam dunk but its definitely not dead in the water either.

Runway28L · Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:02 pm

ncflyer wrote:
Does anyone know why CLE seems to have steadier flights to the west coast than PIT does-- maybe it will equalize over coming years, but CLE has had daily or more than daily service to LAX and SFO for as long as I can remember, without interruption, whereas PIT has been less steady. Yesterday UA ran 2 flights CLE to LAX and both were nearly full. Plus Spirit runs a daily in the shoulder season/summer season to LAX, though I don't know its loads. One theory is that CLE has stronger UA FF base, therefore a lot of loyalty on the SFO hub and LAX kind of sort of UA focus city. A second explanation, though I have no clue if it has any basis, is that CLE has tighter business ties to West Coast than PIT does.

On the other hand, PITs capacity to BOS dwarfs CLE, and also has more seats to ATL and CLT.

The two airports are so close in passenger counts, I find it really interesting to see where each city has better service.

PIT better international obviously, but CLE has so many more seats to ORD. . ..

It has to do with a lot of factors I think. Business ties, geography, even investment. PIT has spent so much in getting service to Europe whereas CLE has likely focused more on maintaining better service to the West Coast. Although I do think that PIT is eventually gonna match, if not surpass, CLE for West Coast service if the ACAA keeps the motor going on service development.

ncflyer · Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:09 pm

Maybe there are a lot of factors but I can assure you it’s not route development at CLE. Been almost nonexistent at CLE. No people and no money. The airport is run by the city and it’s about 100th in the mayors list of priorities.

ctrabs0114 · Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:13 pm

ncflyer wrote:
Maybe there are a lot of factors but I can assure you it’s not route development at CLE. Been almost nonexistent at CLE. No people and no money. The airport is run by the city and it’s about 100th in the mayors list of priorities.

Maybe the city of Cleveland should just turn CLE over to Cuyahoga County and be done with it.

Runway28L · Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:19 pm

Any idea why NK has downgraded all service to the A319, the smallest plane in their fleet? I believe most of their service before was on the A320 and FLL even saw the A321 swapped in sometimes.

It looks like TPA and RSW have been suspended until next winter and MYR restarted. Wonder how both of those routes did this past season.

cvgComair · Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:44 pm

Runway28L wrote:
Any idea why NK has downgraded all service to the A319, the smallest plane in their fleet? I believe most of their service before was on the A320 and FLL even saw the A321 swapped in sometimes.

It looks like TPA and RSW have been suspended until next winter and MYR restarted. Wonder how both of those routes did this past season.

As a whole, their LF's don't look very good, that is probably the reason.

All of 2017 (both ways combined):
PIT-MCO: 85.1%
PIT-MYR: 81.9%
PIT-LAS: 78.0%
PIT-LAX: 73.6%
PIT-DFW: 72.7%
PIT-FLL: 66.4%
PIT-TPA: 63.8%
PIT-RSW: 53.9%
PIT-IAH: 47.6%

Jan 2018 (both ways combined):
PIT-MCO: 78%
PIT-LAX: 70%
PIT-FLL: 63%
PIT-TPA: 63%
PIT-DFW: 59%
PIT-LAS: 54%
PIT-RSW: 54%

Runway28L · Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:01 am

cvgComair wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
Any idea why NK has downgraded all service to the A319, the smallest plane in their fleet? I believe most of their service before was on the A320 and FLL even saw the A321 swapped in sometimes.

It looks like TPA and RSW have been suspended until next winter and MYR restarted. Wonder how both of those routes did this past season.

As a whole, their LF's don't look very good, that is probably the reason.

All of 2017 (both ways combined):
PIT-MCO: 85.1%
PIT-MYR: 81.9%
PIT-LAS: 78.0%
PIT-LAX: 73.6%
PIT-DFW: 72.7%
PIT-FLL: 66.4%
PIT-TPA: 63.8%
PIT-RSW: 53.9%
PIT-IAH: 47.6%

Jan 2018 (both ways combined):
PIT-MCO: 78%
PIT-LAX: 70%
PIT-FLL: 63%
PIT-TPA: 63%
PIT-DFW: 59%
PIT-LAS: 54%
PIT-RSW: 54%

Oh man, some of those don't look pretty at all. I'm really surprised at some of them especially LAS, TPA, and FLL. WN is absolutely eating their lunch on LAS, hitting 90% LFs themselves.

Just curious, where did you get this data from?

Midwestindy · Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:03 am

Runway28L wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
Any idea why NK has downgraded all service to the A319, the smallest plane in their fleet? I believe most of their service before was on the A320 and FLL even saw the A321 swapped in sometimes.

It looks like TPA and RSW have been suspended until next winter and MYR restarted. Wonder how both of those routes did this past season.

As a whole, their LF's don't look very good, that is probably the reason.

All of 2017 (both ways combined):
PIT-MCO: 85.1%
PIT-MYR: 81.9%
PIT-LAS: 78.0%
PIT-LAX: 73.6%
PIT-DFW: 72.7%
PIT-FLL: 66.4%
PIT-TPA: 63.8%
PIT-RSW: 53.9%
PIT-IAH: 47.6%

Jan 2018 (both ways combined):
PIT-MCO: 78%
PIT-LAX: 70%
PIT-FLL: 63%
PIT-TPA: 63%
PIT-DFW: 59%
PIT-LAS: 54%
PIT-RSW: 54%

Oh man, some of those don't look pretty at all. I'm really surprised at some of them especially LAS, TPA, and FLL. WN is absolutely eating their lunch on LAS, hitting 90% LFs themselves.

Just curious, where did you get this data from?

https://www.transtats.bts.gov/DL_SelectFields.asp

Runway28L · Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:29 am

Midwestindy wrote:
https://www.transtats.bts.gov/DL_SelectFields.asp

Thanks

Jshank83 · Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:53 am

ctrabs0114 wrote:
PITflier wrote:
Only 122 of 175 seats booked, not exactly great.

I'm curious how you would know the specific number of seats booked on a WN flight. Because it's not as though you have a seat chart to work with as you do with most of the other airlines...

I've asked the desk or gate agent before and they have told me. Also, I have seen at times a sheet hanging in the galley with the passenger count when I was going to use the bathroom.

PITflier · Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:39 am

ctrabs0114 wrote:
PITflier wrote:
Only 122 of 175 seats booked, not exactly great.

I'm curious how you would know the specific number of seats booked on a WN flight. Because it's not as though you have a seat chart to work with as you do with most of the other airlines...

The gate attendant meentioned it on the intercom. "Plenty of space available" etc

ConcourseZ · Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:22 pm

As one can imagine, WN ticket sales are down.
http://time.com/money/5255834/southwest ... ings-down/

ConcourseZ · Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:30 pm

Many flights are now landing on 28R and some taking off on 28L. I see some infrastructure work going on around the ramp. Is there other work going on resulting in the pattern change? Some other reasons?

Runway28L · Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:49 pm

ConcourseZ wrote:
Many flights are now landing on 28R and some taking off on 28L. I see some infrastructure work going on around the ramp. Is there other work going on resulting in the pattern change? Some other reasons?

The Charlie pad and parts or Taxiway Bravo are being reconstructed. It's been that way for over a month now.

flyPIT · Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:38 pm

"911th Airlift Wing says bon voyage to C-130s "
http://www.post-gazette.com/local/region/2018/04/30/Pittsburgh-Air-Reserve-911th-Airlift-Wing-C-130-Hercules-C-17-Globemaster/stories/201804300152

PitTraveler wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
PitTraveler wrote:
Since things like this seem to have at least a bit of interest around here...

Arconic (formerly Alcoa Inc) announced today they will be looking to relocate their corporate HQ, currently located in New York.

It’s not HQ2, but it would be a fantastic feather in the cap for the city to add a Fortune 500 company back to the listing. It would also serve to solidify the jobs of the Arconic employees in the North Shore Offics.

It appears likely that Cleveland is in strong consideration, it would be a massive failure of local leadership to allow a historic Pittsburgh company to move its HQ to Cleveland. It would likely begin a slow bleed of extremely high paying jobs from Pittsburgh to Cleveland.

Hopefully local leadership can focus on something other than HQ2 and get an important win. I doubt it, unfortunately.

I know we touched on this previously, but I'm still not clear about the relationship between Arconic and the new ALCOA. According to this, when Alcoa moved their headquarters back to Pittsburgh from NYC last year, Pgh gained a 7th F500 HQ.

"Aluminum maker Alcoa Inc., which is slated to return its headquarters to Pittsburgh later this year, ranked No. 300 with revenue of $9.3 billion."
http://www.post-gazette.com/business/money/2017/06/07/Six-Pittsburgh-Companies-Fortune-500-List-2017-Kraft-Heinz/stories/201706070169

Both ALCOA and Arconic list the same Northside Corporate address:

http://www.alcoa.com/united-states/en/default.asp

https://www.arconic.com/global/en/contact/locations.asp?country=United_States

... But it seems the vast majority there are already Arconic employees?
http://www.post-gazette.com/business/pittsburgh-company-news/2017/04/19/Alcoa-coming-home-Pittsburgh-aluminum-headquarters/stories/201704190181

I believe both utilize the same technical center in New Ken as well, although the address is different? I see Arconic has a Park Avenue office, is this like when ALCOA had their HQ in NYC with only a few dozen employees but the nuts and bolts of the company where in Pittsburgh and elsewhere? If that's the case then I wouldn't worry too much about job losses in Pittsburgh if Arconic moves that NYC office elsewhere. Although it certainly would be nice for that office to come "home" just like ALCOA, and to add another F500 HQ out of it.

All I know about the topic is what I read online.

To clarify - Arconic and Alcoa are now completely separate companies. Alcoa Inc, a mainstay in Pittsburgh for 100 years, changed its name to Arconic. It spun off the portion of the company that was traditionally thought of as “Alcoa” and named it the Alcoa Corporation.

After many years of being headquartered in Pittsburgh, the legacy Alcoa Inc, was eventually headquartered in Park Ave, as you noted. After separation, the new Alcoa Corporation moved its HQ back to Pittsburgh, while Arconic, the much larger company, remains on Park Ave.

The tech center in New Ken was also separated, and is not really shared. Arconic took most of that as well. As Concourse Z mentioned, Arconic is the larger prize.

Local leadership will be critical here.

Looks like the Arconic headquarters is moving to N. Virginia from NYC:
https://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/news/2018/04/30/arconic-inc-to-relocate-headquarters-to-northern.html

Even though they already have a large Pittsburgh corporate and research presence I imagine we got passed over for the HQ for the usual reasons... better business and tax environment, better air service, etc elsewhere. Virginia offered a $750,000 grant; that's nothing.

ConcourseZ · Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:24 pm

Saw the C-130 making passes today.

Arctic moving from one expensive, congested area to another.

JamesRenard · Tue May 01, 2018 2:09 am

OneJet is acquiring Ultimate Jet Charters.
https://privatejetcardcomparisons.com/2 ... -charters/
This will probably shake things up at PIT.

flyPIT · Tue May 01, 2018 2:31 am

JamesRenard wrote:
OneJet is acquiring Ultimate Jet Charters.
https://privatejetcardcomparisons.com/2 ... -charters/
This will probably shake things up at PIT.

To me it looks like a plus for PIT...

"plans call for Ultimate to be integrated into OneJet’s expanding regional network alongside current operator, Contour Airlines, with flights beginning on June 4th. "

"One Jet will be making additional schedule changes and routing adjustments during May as the Ultimate operations are integrated into its network. The Company will be announcing several route upgrades as well as new seasonal destinations during May 2018, as well."

With more ERJ's and 328Jets this will hopefully mean the complete replacement of the 7 seaters and the return of PIT-CVG/RIC/BNA. Maybe some scheduled Ultimate destinations such as Morristown and DeKalb-Peachtree from PIT as well.

cvgComair · Tue May 01, 2018 3:36 am

I was talking about this being a possibility awhile ago and I am glad to see it happening. Hopefully this helps UE start growing again and see success!

flyPIT · Tue May 01, 2018 8:24 pm

"CEO: Acquisition helps OneJet to grow further, faster"
https://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/news/2018/05/01/ceo-acquisition-helps-onejet-to-grow-further.html

Behind the paywal but here are some bits:
"You're going to see a pretty large increase in the amount of seating capacity available (out of Pittsburgh in the coming months)," Maguire told the Business Times in an interview Tuesday."

"Maguire said with the acquisition of Ultimate, its 10-aircraft fleet and existing infrastructure, OneJet's expansion plans could move faster. That accelerated earlier this month with the big investment by Qatar Airways and JetBlue into another air service, JetSuite, which offers scheduled flights on the West Coast."

Its interesting they felt some pressure from the investment in JetSuite by QR and B6.

ncflyer · Thu May 03, 2018 1:05 am

Looking in to a flight to CDG this summer I live in CLE but will drive for nonstop.

It is interesting that PIT is a dirt cheap nonstop for my dates, around $950. I checked other DL markets out of curiosity. DTW BOS RDU in $1500 range. IND is closest at $1100. CVG is $1300 as is YYZ.

I’d attribute this to WOW but that’s no longer unique to PIT. Business class fares had similar pattern PIT being a lot cheaper.

Obviously I’m only checking one set of dates not a systemic comparison of yields. And also obviously delta pleased with the route given larger plane and longer season through the year.

Anyone studied this more rigorously than my anecdote.

AaronPGH · Thu May 03, 2018 1:53 am

Hmmmm wild. I have never seen pricing like that. It's usually been $1400+.... maybe the upgauge to 767 plus the increase in Condor to FRA on the 767?

flyPIT · Thu May 03, 2018 5:05 am

I just did a lot of dummy bookings on completely random dates both at PIT and other cities such as IND, DTW, CVG, and RDU.... but mostly compared with IND (because DTW and CVG are hubs and RDU is a stronger local market). BTW last year RDU and CVG seemed to average a couple hundred dollars more in economy than PIT, which still seems to hold true.

One way fares from PIT-CDG for May and June for basic economy seemed steady at ~$2700, which is similar to last year, and actually ~$100 more than IND.
R/T fares during the same period varied greatly, ~$700 to ~$3600, with most being at the higher end. Some bookings are ~$500 more than IND and some I found ~$400 less than IND. I actually found a round trip departing PIT June 5 for ~$800 but a one way departing PIT on the same date is ~$2700.

After early July the one ways came way down, with PIT at ~$700, again ~$100 more than IND, with round trips ~$500 less than IND.

After late July O/W bookings seemed to be back at ~$2,700 at both PIT and IND. For R/T during that period some bookings are ~$300 more, ~$200 less, ~$500 less, or on par with IND, again based on some purely random dates.

I do remember there seemed to be a large drop off in loads for July last summer not only at PIT but in the other markets; that appears to be reflected in the fares here. Other than in mid July I wouldn't consider the vast majority of fares I found as cheap so I'm not sure how much of an impact WOW and Condor are having.

I was curious to see how all the additional First Class capacity of the 767 was being absorbed, so I checked the seating charts of the first weeks worth of flights. Many flights already have more seats blocked off than the total front end capacity of the 757 previously used while maintaining last years price of at least ~8,100 RT, so that's good to see.

flyPIT · Fri May 04, 2018 1:29 am

Trans-Atlantic loads

Sept 2017:
PIT-CDG 79%
PIT-FRA 74% (only one flight)
PIT-KEF 77%
CDG-PIT 80%
FRA-PIT 69% (only one flight)
KEF-PIT 74%

Oct 2017:
PIT-KEF 70%
KEF-PIT 83%

Interesting arrival today, a Miami Air flight from Harstad/Narvik, Norway (EVE), via KEF.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK192/history/20180503/1732Z/BIKF/KPIT

However most likely just a reposition flight.

ncflyer · Fri May 04, 2018 1:35 am

Good stuff flyPIT guess it was the days I chose where PIT seemed so cheap, I am looking at a midweek round trip in June.

I’m not sure one way fares are really all that relevant across the pond? I was most interested in your round trip research.

flyPIT · Fri May 04, 2018 1:41 am

ncflyer wrote:
Good stuff flyPIT guess it was the days I chose where PIT seemed so cheap, I am looking at a midweek round trip in June.

I’m not sure one way fares are really all that relevant across the pond? I was most interested in your round trip research.

Just curious, what dates are you looking at?

flyPIT · Sat May 05, 2018 3:02 am

As suspected the HQ2 team has visited Pittsburgh (more than once) as well as all the other finalists. But it’s interesting they toured PIT (as well as its WTC site) and also scoured the immediate airport area for future distribution centers.
http://www.post-gazette.com/business/de ... 1805040170

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