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kiramakora wrote:I hear MEX will start via BCN?
gokmengs wrote:Watching the video and seeing the massive project complete with all the treasury backed money being spent at the new airport, I would love for them to leave all populist shows and egos aside and do the project correct. Just give a little more time where its not an operation mess and construction zone and Leave GA at IST and move to the new airport in a stable manner. Just my wish...
imthedreamliner wrote:gokmengs wrote:Watching the video and seeing the massive project complete with all the treasury backed money being spent at the new airport, I would love for them to leave all populist shows and egos aside and do the project correct. Just give a little more time where its not an operation mess and construction zone and Leave GA at IST and move to the new airport in a stable manner. Just my wish...
As Istanbul city center on Asian side is expanding towards east, I wonder how easy it will be to reach 3rd airport from Southern part of Istanbul. Is it possible we have some WB activity at SAW as well in the coming years ? Or else for any flight that is outside the reach of a NEO/MAX, we gonna have to travel all the way from South end of the city to the 3rd airport. Really a challenge in todays traffic mess in Istanbul.
TK787 wrote:As I always say, if one day, there will be a JFK-SAW TK flight, I will never use IGA, ever.
mafaky wrote:Oooops; sorry that I really missed that "TK" in your first message!....
TK787 wrote:As I always say, if one day, there will be a JFK-SAW TK flight, I will never use IGA, ever.
Blerg wrote:Merhaba. Is there anywhere where I can get Ankara's passenger numbers month by month? I couldn't find them on TAV's website.
mafaky wrote:Blerg wrote:Merhaba. Is there anywhere where I can get Ankara's passenger numbers month by month? I couldn't find them on TAV's website.
You should look for these in DHMI's website. Which years are you interested in?
TK787 wrote::)
As I said JFK-SAW TK flight.
About sardine cans. Gone are the days of 33-34" Y on TK 343s. TK's Y on the 333-77W is pretty bad. Especially when the person in front reclines ( even that 2 inches) and they put a dining tray in front of me. I really like that unspoken rule of not to recline Y seats. Pretty common place in the US domestic flights, these days.
Nothing against Pegasus, I will definitely do it, if Pegasus to order WB aircraft for the route. But I doubt that. As I mentioned before, AtlasGlobal again thinking about getting few A330s, but probably not for US either.
1g wrote:TK787 wrote::)
As I said JFK-SAW TK flight.
About sardine cans. Gone are the days of 33-34" Y on TK 343s. TK's Y on the 333-77W is pretty bad. Especially when the person in front reclines ( even that 2 inches) and they put a dining tray in front of me. I really like that unspoken rule of not to recline Y seats. Pretty common place in the US domestic flights, these days.
Nothing against Pegasus, I will definitely do it, if Pegasus to order WB aircraft for the route. But I doubt that. As I mentioned before, AtlasGlobal again thinking about getting few A330s, but probably not for US either.
I like the unspoken rule of not reclining but that really applies to flights no longer than 6-7 hours, which is also the longest flight you will find in domestic US.
I have to recline in a TK flight if it's a long haul flight otherwise it really does become unbearable.
I'm sorry to all the people who sat behind me in long haul flights
TK787 wrote:Happy New Year Turkish Aviation fans,
May 2018 bring joy and peace to you and your family.
You can find last months thread here:
viewtopic.php?p=20053043#p20053043
TK already announced Aguadilla, )
1g wrote:I like the unspoken rule of not reclining but that really applies to flights no longer than 6-7 hours, which is also the longest flight you will find in domestic US.
I have to recline in a TK flight if it's a long haul flight otherwise it really does become unbearable.
I'm sorry to all the people who sat behind me in long haul flights
TK787 wrote:By the way, missed that whole news about the Pegasus flight. Pictures look crazy, very lucky people on that flight that night. Can anyone confirm, any chance that plane will fly again? Thanks.
mafaky wrote:TK787 wrote:By the way, missed that whole news about the Pegasus flight. Pictures look crazy, very lucky people on that flight that night. Can anyone confirm, any chance that plane will fly again? Thanks.
Well, just looking at the photos taken after the recovery, it seems that the entire fuselage has not suffered any visible structural damage, except for the (left) landing gear. But the left wing seems to be in a mess and the left power plant has been soaked into seawater pretty badly (well luckily Black Sea water is not that much salty!... ).
I imagine the complete landing gear set plus both engines, at least one engine pylon (as expensive components )have to be replaced, and possibly much more...
However this frame can no way be repaired at TZX. In my opinion, not the slightest chance. The wings have to be separated and the hull and wings must be transported by land to SAW (in Istanbul/Turkey), at the least. A pretty long distance to transport a full length 738, I don't have the knowledge what kind of a trailer can handle this... But that's the nearest fully equipped MRO base, where this kind of repairs can be done... (They can't do it in ESB/Ankara; I believe!...)
This particular frame is not owned by Pegasus. Well, I know that in today's world very few airlines actually own their planes, but some planes are on "financial lease" (in which case the airline can claim ownership after the lease period, which usually is 12 years!) and others on "operational lease". You mostly know the IDs of the lessors in the second group. They lease their planes to airline (X) for say 4 years now, then re-lease to another airline (Y) for another five years, etc. I'm pretty sure you well know the system.
To make the long story short, TC-CPF is actually "owned" by a Japanese Lessor (actually a pretty big real estate lessor but also having its own aviation leasing wing...) and has leased out 2 (two) 738s (one of them being TC-CPF) and another two unidentified frames to Pegasus. In my gutfeel, Pegasus-Japanese Lessor & Insurance Company will negotiate for some time (and the damaged frame will be stored at TZX) but at the end the conclusion will be BER (=beyond economic repair). It will be a write-off (Insurance Company will gain ownership...), the frame will be scrapped and cannibalised at TZX and any usable/airworthy parts may be purchased by Pegasus or anybody willing to pay.
TK787 wrote:Thanks Mafaky, how about stress on the main frame? Even though there is no structural visible damage on the fuselage, it must have been through some stress going down that hill, 333 landing at Kathmandu comes to mind. I guess we will know more soon enough.
Blerg wrote:KK reduces IST-BEG from ten weekly to daily. It's really strange as the number of Turkish tourists in Serbia passed 100.000 and TK seems to be responding by increasing capacity to A332. Maybe KK needs the slots for some other route? Have they been expanding?
aldrigsomandre wrote:Blerg wrote:KK reduces IST-BEG from ten weekly to daily. It's really strange as the number of Turkish tourists in Serbia passed 100.000 and TK seems to be responding by increasing capacity to A332. Maybe KK needs the slots for some other route? Have they been expanding?
KK has been getting rid of airframes lately. They just sent 4 A321's back to AerCap.
Based purely on this, I'm guessing they do not have enough capacity at the moment.
ARNbased wrote:Hi all!
Long time reader, first time poster. Thanks all to this truly fantastic forum!
I live in Stockholm, Sweden and my base is ARN. Since I really, really like TK C, I try to fly them as much as possible on flights to Asia and the US. However, I tend to end up in older A320s with a blocked middle seat in business between IST and ARN, since TK puts these old planes on the early morning and late evening departures from/to ARN. Sure, the flight is "only" 3.5 hours and all other EU carriers have an even crappier business class with slimline seats, but the big recliners make a huge difference.
Does anyone know if TK has any plans to retrofit the old A320s with fixed C seats or if they plan to retire these old planes in the not too distant future?
Thanks!
Hello there and welcome. I am not sure if any plans to retrofit those. I imagine TK keeps stalling that option till the NEOs arrive and eventually get rid of the older 320s in time. It will take sometime though.
Blerg wrote:aldrigsomandre wrote:Blerg wrote:KK reduces IST-BEG from ten weekly to daily. It's really strange as the number of Turkish tourists in Serbia passed 100.000 and TK seems to be responding by increasing capacity to A332. Maybe KK needs the slots for some other route? Have they been expanding?
KK has been getting rid of airframes lately. They just sent 4 A321's back to AerCap.
Based purely on this, I'm guessing they do not have enough capacity at the moment.
Thank you, that makes absolute sense now. Do you know why they were getting rid of aircraft?
aldrigsomandre wrote:Blerg wrote:aldrigsomandre wrote:
KK has been getting rid of airframes lately. They just sent 4 A321's back to AerCap.
Based purely on this, I'm guessing they do not have enough capacity at the moment.
Thank you, that makes absolute sense now. Do you know why they were getting rid of aircraft?
With my limited Turkish, I have read through a couple of Turkish aviation websites, the word on the street is that KK may stop scheduled services all together and become a charter airline flying out of Antalya. Apparently, they have 11 operational aircraft at the moment. This is a comment from another reader of the website and should be taken with a grain of salt.
The KK website shows a 25-strong fleet at the moment.
As far as I know, besides Air Serbia, KK codeshares with KLM and Air France. If they stop scheduled services, I wonder if the codeshare partners would step up their game and add extra flights. Highly unlikely, considering the ongoing exodus of foreign airlines out of IST.
mafaky wrote:1) There are 24 a320s (all ceo's) as of today. 12 of these (the 6 oldest ones that have entered service between 2005-2007 and the 6 newest ones that have entered service between 2013-2014) are on operational lease; sooner or later these will be returned to the lessors. In fact TK's medium term fleet planning shows only 12 320s to remain in service by end 2023. These 12 remaining ones are on financial lease. All are in CY159 configuration, indicating that their business cabin is still in 3-3 config, with middle seat blocked. One of these has already been fitte with WL during 2016; others may follow... TK has no a320neo's being ordered.
mafaky wrote:2) There are 68 a321s (all ceos)as of today. Only 4 of these are on operational lease, all others are on financial lease. 30 of these latter have 16C164Y cabin config. and have "sharklets", no upper curved winglets. The other 34 have "proper" winglets; 9 frames having 16C164Y and 25 frames have 20C158Y cabin configs (as planespotters.net indicate). Seatguru site actually shows the 16C164Y a321s with 12C176Y cabins and the business class seats as 3-3 with middle seat blocked. The last WL ones (25 frames) have 20C seats in 2-2 formation and having "recliner" seats. The oldest of these 64 frames of 321s have entered service in mid 2007, the youngest in Jan 2017. TK's end 2023 fleet planning indicates none of these 64 frames will be removed from the fleet...
TK has a rather substantial order for a321noe's!...
mafaky wrote:3) One should expect that TK may likely keep all the "financial leased" a320/321 frames at the least for 15-18 years, if not longer (taking into consideration that some may also be transferred to AnadoluJet if and when this becomes a separate independent airline, though there also will be a biggish number of 738s that will be aging during the very same years).
Blerg wrote:aldrigsomandre wrote:Blerg wrote:
Thank you, that makes absolute sense now. Do you know why they were getting rid of aircraft?
With my limited Turkish, I have read through a couple of Turkish aviation websites, the word on the street is that KK may stop scheduled services all together and become a charter airline flying out of Antalya. Apparently, they have 11 operational aircraft at the moment. This is a comment from another reader of the website and should be taken with a grain of salt.
The KK website shows a 25-strong fleet at the moment.
As far as I know, besides Air Serbia, KK codeshares with KLM and Air France. If they stop scheduled services, I wonder if the codeshare partners would step up their game and add extra flights. Highly unlikely, considering the ongoing exodus of foreign airlines out of IST.
Thank you for that. I know JU is looking at going back to IST so maybe this would be a good reason to actually do it. Btw KK code-shares on JU's flight to JFK as well.
globetrotter94 wrote:Just out of curiosity, with the recent news about TK carrying 1M passengers from Israel, does anybody know the full list of countries where TK is either the largest airline by passengers carried or the largest foreign airline by passengers carried? I would expect the list to be larger than one would think, with candidates like Georgia, B&H, etc. in addition to of course Turkey and Israel?
Blerg wrote:Serbian CAD refused to grant TK the right to send its A330 to BEG from March 1st.
jmmadrid wrote:Blerg wrote:Serbian CAD refused to grant TK the right to send its A330 to BEG from March 1st.
Is this to protect ATLASGLOBAL/AIR SERBIA's joint flight from BEG to SAW?
jmmadrid wrote:Blerg wrote:Serbian CAD refused to grant TK the right to send its A330 to BEG from March 1st.
Is this to protect ATLASGLOBAL/AIR SERBIA's joint flight from BEG to SAW?