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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:08 am

FGITD wrote:
VS4ever wrote:

Makes sense. I feel like I've seen that space used for a number of things. Still, interesting that a runway is getting "usefulness" out of things that aren't takeoffs and landings. :duck:


Massport log jet activity and for 14/32 it gets used for departures around 1.5% of the time, probably higher for the props, but no data to support.

It’s a great space, I think they refer to it as the j pad. I’ve been over there on a B6 ORD departure when it got delayed for weather and a couple of times for deicing.


It is indeed the J pad. Not sure how they landed on that name. It's one of the few, unassigned spaces at the airport.

JetBlue actually uses the old eagle's nest terminal to deice, car wash style. Which revisits the entire purpose of that runway. Under the right circumstances, taxi to airborne in a matter of minutes would have been possible from that terminal.

These days I think the only use the terminal gets is deicers using the bathroom. Shame they can't move someone over there, but with all the sought after connections these days, it's extremely isolated.[/quote]

it is very isolated, and of course, no jetbridges and stuff. If you have ever been to AMS and used the KLM City Hopper E190's, KL park them like buses on an open apron, you literally navigate in, stop, let the first set of pax off, they take a bus to the terminal, 2nd set arrive, get on, and you pull forward out of the fake gate area and away you go. This could be a carbon copy of that, you could move one of the regional operations over there, and use buses from the main terminals. Not perfect, but it could be done and create space while you were at it. However i must say, I like everyone's creative thinking, wonder if Massport read this thread, lol...(if I see an L project in the next round of capital projects reporting, I suggest they might do, lol)...


Separately, i've been working on updating this report for a while now, it's still not complete, but it's in a place where it can be released while i finish up the work. Basically i've been recording all the Massport reports going back as far as they exist which is technically Jan 1998, and then grouping them in the usual formats.

What I have in the attached file is this (all updated through September) - Caveats included as needed.

Month by Month - Last 5 years - Pax and Freight
5 year hops - 1998 to 2018 all based on September (Pax and Freight)
Charts for various breakdowns so you can see the changes graphically - although because of the relative sizes (for example, really hard to chart GA or Charter, vs total domestic jet pax for example) it's not easy to chart everything, so i've left a few things out to make it all work.

YTD - Same except no charts as I have not completed every single month yet, I am about 4 years short of doing that.
Year - I forced the charts for this one, just shows what a rollercoaster ride it was until the last few years where it's up up and away.
Rolling - only done this for past 5 years.

As you will see, plenty of info here, for example, despite the growth of the past few years, we are still over 100,000 movements below 1998 levels, although a lot of that was down to tons of regional flying that used to happen back then. and the international explosion over the last 5 years, really quite incredible.

Anyway, i'll leave you the data to review and let me know if you have any questions. Enjoy..

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1DrX4P ... -EJL4RQUIR
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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:08 pm

FGITD wrote:
VS4ever wrote:

Makes sense. I feel like I've seen that space used for a number of things. Still, interesting that a runway is getting "usefulness" out of things that aren't takeoffs and landings. :duck:


Massport log jet activity and for 14/32 it gets used for departures around 1.5% of the time, probably higher for the props, but no data to support.

It’s a great space, I think they refer to it as the j pad. I’ve been over there on a B6 ORD departure when it got delayed for weather and a couple of times for deicing.



The taxiway from Bravo to Rwy 14 is Juliet, so the J pad probably just takes the name from that.

Sorry, but I'm not a KBOS expert. What and where is the old eagle's nest terminal that you are discussing? I'm not finding any reference to this on Google...
 
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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:09 pm

mjgbtv wrote:
FGITD wrote:
VS4ever wrote:

Makes sense. I feel like I've seen that space used for a number of things. Still, interesting that a runway is getting "usefulness" out of things that aren't takeoffs and landings. :duck:


Massport log jet activity and for 14/32 it gets used for departures around 1.5% of the time, probably higher for the props, but no data to support.

It’s a great space, I think they refer to it as the j pad. I’ve been over there on a B6 ORD departure when it got delayed for weather and a couple of times for deicing.



The taxiway from Bravo to Rwy 14 is Juliet, so the J pad probably just takes the name from that.

Sorry, but I'm not a KBOS expert. What and where is the old eagle's nest terminal that you are discussing? I'm not finding any reference to this on Google...



Ah that makes perfect sense. That whole area is not one I frequently visit.

The "eagles nest " is a nickname used for the old American eagle area. Calling it a terminal is really an exaggeration. No jetbridges or any real amenities. It's located right next to the massport fire station, at the entrance to the J pad
 
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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:30 pm

The new and upgraded Terminal B is coming along in full progress. There are new security gates by the old LUS shuttle counters. The LUS shuttle counters are all gone now and has paved way to the new security gates. The LUS reservations counters are also getting upgraded and new shops and restaurants are all coming new there. I saw Potbelly and Santarpio coming along. I have been using this terminal for 12.5 years and for the most part every week with the exception of few months having used DL. I can finally say this I like walking through the new Terminal and seeing the new shops vs. the same old stuff I had been seeing all these years.

I believe AA gets approx. 18-19 gates and they are going to get a new terminal. Access to B is also not that bad compared to C which I always feel is a nightmare even at 5:30 am on a Monday or late Thursday.
 
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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:11 pm

IAH, FLL, and MSP Sep-2018 numbers are all out. Here are the comparisons.

BOS MSP-BOS MSP
Jan 2,576,261 108,549 2,684,810
Feb 2,605,207 105,812 2,711,019
Mar 3,197,326 213,541 3,410,867
Apr 3,508,607 (515,345) 2,993,262
May 3,705,129 (477,639) 3,227,490
Jun 3,843,131 (327,466) 3,515,665
Jul 3,999,933 (334,925) 3,665,008
Aug 4,044,126 (313,725) 3,730,401
Sep 3,393,644 (351,319) 3,042,325
Oct
Nov
Dec

Totals 30,873,364 (1,892,517) 28,980,847

IAH-BOS IAH
654,853 3,231,114
444,034 3,049,241
490,837 3,688,163
37,603 3,546,210
9,930 3,715,059
194,032 4,037,163
236,939 4,236,872
(158,440) 3,885,686
(107,969) 3,285,675




1,801,819 32,706,519

FLL
3,030,577
2,854,417
3,498,784
3,100,652
3,011,356
3,011,746
3,166,922
3,021,479
2,419,516




27,115,449

FLL is cooling down after a superb Jan, Feb and Mar months.
 
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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:41 pm

BOS AMZN 2nd HQ is out now for the most part as per Globe.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/20 ... story.html

It is going to NYC and DC from the article. Sad I should say but maybe good.
 
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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:43 pm

iyerhari wrote:
The new and upgraded Terminal B is coming along in full progress. There are new security gates by the old LUS shuttle counters. The LUS shuttle counters are all gone now and has paved way to the new security gates. The LUS reservations counters are also getting upgraded and new shops and restaurants are all coming new there. I saw Potbelly and Santarpio coming along. I have been using this terminal for 12.5 years and for the most part every week with the exception of few months having used DL. I can finally say this I like walking through the new Terminal and seeing the new shops vs. the same old stuff I had been seeing all these years.

I believe AA gets approx. 18-19 gates and they are going to get a new terminal. Access to B is also not that bad compared to C which I always feel is a nightmare even at 5:30 am on a Monday or late Thursday.


The trick with C at those times, is switch. at 5.30am go to Arrivals, at 9.30pm go to departures. So much better :)
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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:19 pm

FGITD wrote:

The "eagles nest " is a nickname used for the old American eagle area. Calling it a terminal is really an exaggeration. No jetbridges or any real amenities. It's located right next to the massport fire station, at the entrance to the J pad


When it was in use. Would they bus passengers straight out to the turboprops and RJs sitting there? Or did they wait inside the building to then walk out to the planes.
 
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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:08 pm

iyerhari wrote:
BOS AMZN 2nd HQ is out now for the most part as per Globe.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/20 ... story.html

It is going to NYC and DC from the article. Sad I should say but maybe good.


It's all semantics for the most part. The news is that they are splitting HQ2. What exactly does that mean? It means there is no HQ2. If they're splitting it's not called HQ2, it's HQ2 and HQ3 at the very least but most likely it's neither. In the mean time while DC and NY argue over who has the right to be called HQ2, Amazon's tech hub in Boston keeps growing, with a brand new building planned to open in 2021. So who knows what all of this will eventually look like when the dust settles. One thing I'm sure about is this: As bad as Boston's proposed HQ2 site was for both traffic and housing, Queens, NY and Arlington, VA are going to be even worse :)
 
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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:18 pm

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As bad as Boston's proposed HQ2 site was for both traffic and housing, Queens, NY and Arlington, VA are going to be even worse :)


Queens provides an urban campus setting and Arlington is a well developed, more suburban setting. Suffolk Downs is neither of those. Boston's proposal was somewhat half-hearted - "Ya, if we can get Amazon and resolve an urban blight, that would be nice. Otherwise, we're really not that interested." And I don't think that was wrong-headed. Boston's still booming and the city is trying to catch its breath from a housing and infrastructure perspective. Not having an Amazon HQ is not a bad thing at this juncture imo.
 
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:48 pm

hinckley wrote:
Queens provides an urban campus setting and Arlington is a well developed, more suburban setting. Suffolk Downs is neither of those. Boston's proposal was somewhat half-hearted - "Ya, if we can get Amazon and resolve an urban blight, that would be nice. Otherwise, we're really not that interested." And I don't think that was wrong-headed. Boston's still booming and the city is trying to catch its breath from a housing and infrastructure perspective. Not having an Amazon HQ is not a bad thing at this juncture imo.

Wasn't the reason Suffolk Downs getting chosen was because AMZN wanted an urban campus and a large acreage plus the convenience of a large airport? I have been to the place a couple of times and it is nowhere close to the type that AMZN may be wanting to have a site closer to Kendall Sq. or downtown. They have been expanding heavily in the Seaport and Cambridge - my friend who works there tells me it is the HQ for robotics and Alexa (Artificial Intelligence).

Just curious to know - I have used the DC subway system and it's aging too and running record deficits. I had also read an article and if I remember somewhere at Union Station that the subway system is funded partly by DC and then Virginia/Maryland fund the rest. The traffic in and around DC is tough especially if they have to use the beltway and DCA is tight as-is with current gate and airspace issues. How are they going to accommodate all the new crowd unless they want everyone to use bicycles and sleep in AMZN dorms :)
 
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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:08 pm

iyerhari wrote:
BOS AMZN 2nd HQ is out now for the most part as per Globe.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/20 ... story.html

It is going to NYC and DC from the article. Sad I should say but maybe good.


Even without a piece of HQ2 (how can it be HQ2 when it's being split into two separate pieces?), Boston will still be home to thousands of Amazon jobs between what's being built in the Seaport (2,000 employees) and what they have already in Cambridge.
 
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:09 pm

iyerhari wrote:
Wasn't the reason Suffolk Downs getting chosen was because AMZN wanted an urban campus and a large acreage plus the convenience of a large airport?


I think Suffolk Downs was chosen more to suit Boston's purposes than Amazon's.

iyerhari wrote:
Just curious to know - I have used the DC subway system and it's aging too and running record deficits. I had also read an article and if I remember somewhere at Union Station that the subway system is funded partly by DC and then Virginia/Maryland fund the rest. The traffic in and around DC is tough especially if they have to use the beltway and DCA is tight as-is with current gate and airspace issues. How are they going to accommodate all the new crowd unless they want everyone to use bicycles and sleep in AMZN dorms :)


I think the Queens choice is a no-brainer. It checks most or all of Amazon's boxes. From the perspective of Amazon's stated objectives, the Washington choice is a little less obvious. However, it was widely anticipted mainly because Bezos is personally becoming very Washington-centric. https://www.townandcountrymag.com/leisu ... ington-dc/

fwiw, I think that Boston is going to have a huge Amazon presence even if it doesn't get an "HQ" moniker.
 
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:26 pm

It already has a very large Boston/Cambridge presence! Getting even bigger too.
 
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:20 pm

I believe Amazon is building (or leasing) a new tower in the Seaport with the option for a second./
BOS-LGA-JFK | A:319/20/21, 332/3, 346 || B:717, 735, 737, 738, 739, 752, 753, 762, 763, 764, 787, 772, 744 || MD80, MD90
 
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:58 pm

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I believe Amazon is building (or leasing) a new tower in the Seaport with the option for a second./


Yes they are, it will house 2,000 employees. Some rumors/suggestions that they will be growing their presence in Boston and Cambridge in the coming years to work on automation and other AI initiatives.
 
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:52 pm

For Boston, Amazon was one of those ‘Be Careful What You Wish For’ scenarios, much like the Olympics or the IndyCar race. Boston doesn’t really have a rallying mentality to see things of this scope through. Neighborhoods fight other neighborhoods, the city and state squabble, and unions have their pound of flesh to extract, too. That’s not to say other cities don’t have these problems, but Boston is a tribal city...always has been, always will.
 
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:16 am

probably not a big loss. As others have stated there is no longer any HQ2. Instead there is HQ + a number of significant locations (which will undoubtedly grow in number over time). When all is said and done Boston might be just as important in the overall scheme of things as the purported winners of this competition.
 
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:48 am

It is Amazon's loss. No where else would they get such steady supply of world-class STEM fresh blood.
Meanwhile, our loss is the gridlocked 1A to and from Logan, crazy house prices, and the stupid HQ2 moniker.

( Sour grapes :D )
 
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:57 am

ASA wrote:
It is Amazon's loss. No where else would they get such steady supply of world-class STEM fresh blood.
Meanwhile, our loss is the gridlocked 1A to and from Logan, crazy house prices, and the stupid HQ2 moniker.

( Sour grapes :D )


Now back to our regular programming of daily B6 OTP issues, DL wanting to take over the world and when will the Terminal B work be completed
Ahhhhhhh, feels like an old shoe again, comfortable.
I’ll take it.
PS, did you see we zoomed past 2,000 comments for the year on this thread. Nicely done folks.
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:04 pm

For those (like me) who were interested in the old American Eagle area that was mentioned above, I found a short but informative Anet thread once I had the right search terms: viewtopic.php?t=535519
 
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:15 pm

mjgbtv wrote:
For those (like me) who were interested in the old American Eagle area that was mentioned above, I found a short but informative Anet thread once I had the right search terms: viewtopic.php?t=535519



Very interesting ... thank you

clickable link:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=535519

American Eagle BOS Satellite Terminal

Map:

http://binged.it/FOKedP
 
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:31 pm

deltacto wrote:
mjgbtv wrote:
For those (like me) who were interested in the old American Eagle area that was mentioned above, I found a short but informative Anet thread once I had the right search terms: viewtopic.php?t=535519



Very interesting ... thank you

clickable link:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=535519

American Eagle BOS Satellite Terminal

Map:

http://binged.it/FOKedP


Yes nice finds.. would it lend itself well to moving 9K, 3M and 4B out there. Surely they could do that without impinging on the parking for the deicing and RON's? It certainly would help B6 ops at C27, not to have to have that gate tied up all day for a start. Those passengers have to go outside anyway to get to their aircraft as they don't use a jetway. You could park the 9K planes at D4 and D3 on that set up (they need around 11 spots) with 4B at D1 (with their PC-12) and 3M at D2 because they have the bigger Saab 340.

They could still use the regular terminals I guess and be bused out to the satellite, if nobody wanted to pay for the renovation of the terminal, or if they did, then you could have a nice little local terminal for them and once through security, they could bus to the main terminal for connections.

Question is, would the terminal have enough space for all the new TSA stuff, oh and you'll have to hire a few folks to man it. However if Massport offers cheaper terms to those 3, could they gain enough back by higher fees from the bigger B6 aircraft to support that reduction.

Then the small matter of moving the extra decing and other equipment to make room.
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:44 pm

chrisnh wrote:
For Boston, Amazon was one of those ‘Be Careful What You Wish For’ scenarios, much like the Olympics or the IndyCar race. Boston doesn’t really have a rallying mentality to see things of this scope through. Neighborhoods fight other neighborhoods, the city and state squabble, and unions have their pound of flesh to extract, too. That’s not to say other cities don’t have these problems, but Boston is a tribal city...always has been, always will.


Bostonians are least-stupid compared to other citizens. Bostonians are not interested in handing billions of taxpayers' money to Bezos for this fancy HQ2. Bezos is billionaire enough to be able to fund his own Amazon expansion.

ASA wrote:
It is Amazon's loss. No where else would they get such steady supply of world-class STEM fresh blood.
Meanwhile, our loss is the gridlocked 1A to and from Logan, crazy house prices, and the stupid HQ2 moniker.

( Sour grapes :D )


The STEM kids can move to where the jobs are. No need to move the jobs to them.
 
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:21 pm

VS4ever wrote:
deltacto wrote:
mjgbtv wrote:
For those (like me) who were interested in the old American Eagle area that was mentioned above, I found a short but informative Anet thread once I had the right search terms: viewtopic.php?t=535519



Very interesting ... thank you

clickable link:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=535519

American Eagle BOS Satellite Terminal

Map:

http://binged.it/FOKedP


Yes nice finds.. would it lend itself well to moving 9K, 3M and 4B out there. Surely they could do that without impinging on the parking for the deicing and RON's? It certainly would help B6 ops at C27, not to have to have that gate tied up all day for a start. Those passengers have to go outside anyway to get to their aircraft as they don't use a jetway. You could park the 9K planes at D4 and D3 on that set up (they need around 11 spots) with 4B at D1 (with their PC-12) and 3M at D2 because they have the bigger Saab 340.

They could still use the regular terminals I guess and be bused out to the satellite, if nobody wanted to pay for the renovation of the terminal, or if they did, then you could have a nice little local terminal for them and once through security, they could bus to the main terminal for connections.

Question is, would the terminal have enough space for all the new TSA stuff, oh and you'll have to hire a few folks to man it. However if Massport offers cheaper terms to those 3, could they gain enough back by higher fees from the bigger B6 aircraft to support that reduction.

Then the small matter of moving the extra decing and other equipment to make room.


9K and B6 are close partners and rely on each other for connections so I don't see them moving away from one another anytime soon.
 
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:49 pm

AviationAddict wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
deltacto wrote:


Yes nice finds.. would it lend itself well to moving 9K, 3M and 4B out there. Surely they could do that without impinging on the parking for the deicing and RON's? It certainly would help B6 ops at C27, not to have to have that gate tied up all day for a start. Those passengers have to go outside anyway to get to their aircraft as they don't use a jetway. You could park the 9K planes at D4 and D3 on that set up (they need around 11 spots) with 4B at D1 (with their PC-12) and 3M at D2 because they have the bigger Saab 340.

They could still use the regular terminals I guess and be bused out to the satellite, if nobody wanted to pay for the renovation of the terminal, or if they did, then you could have a nice little local terminal for them and once through security, they could bus to the main terminal for connections.

Question is, would the terminal have enough space for all the new TSA stuff, oh and you'll have to hire a few folks to man it. However if Massport offers cheaper terms to those 3, could they gain enough back by higher fees from the bigger B6 aircraft to support that reduction.

Then the small matter of moving the extra decing and other equipment to make room.


9K and B6 are close partners and rely on each other for connections so I don't see them moving away from one another anytime soon.


I get that, but they could still be that and 9K truly have their own space.
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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:31 am

Well B6’s OTP numbers should look good for today, hardly a delay in sight. Both my flights departed early despite being pretty much full
Currently climbing away from JFK en route to PDX.
It’s been a good day for B6 in my book anyway.
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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:30 am

Maybe I missed it reading this thread, but I have a couple of questions:

1) Why did DL pick LIS from BOS and not MAD or BCN? The latter two seem to attract more pax?
2) Why is LEVEL's schedule to/from BCN so horrific? Mo-We-Fr?? How about Fr-Sa/Su-We?
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:07 pm

Inaugural B6 BOS-HAV launches shortly after noon today.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/JBU ... /KBOS/MUHA

Dieuwer wrote:
Maybe I missed it reading this thread, but I have a couple of questions:

1) Why did DL pick LIS from BOS and not MAD or BCN? The latter two seem to attract more pax?
2) Why is LEVEL's schedule to/from BCN so horrific? Mo-We-Fr?? How about Fr-Sa/Su-We?


1) For the plane they wanted to use (domestic 757), DL decided to put it on the shortest route. I think a better question would be why wasn't PDL considered? This also could be an attack on a B6 partner too.
2) Its LCC Transatlantic - you get what you get. The departures aren't too bad but I would like to come home on a Saturday myself.
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2018 Flights: B6 BOS-BGI-BOS, WN BOS-MDW-BOS, B6 BOS-PDX-BOS
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:53 pm

I bought BOS-LIS-BOS for me and the family. The introductory fares were so ridiculously low for July that I really had no choice but to book it instead of TP since I'm a *A FF. On my flights and going by the seat assignment which I know doesn't tell us much, Y is about half full but "F" doesn't show a single occupied seat yet. I hope they are banking on their own FF's to buy the front seats because I can't imagine why anyone would pay for domestic F on a TATL route when for the same price they can go with TP which has flat beds.
 
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Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:35 am

Dieuwer wrote:
2) Why is LEVEL's schedule to/from BCN so horrific? Mo-We-Fr?? How about Fr-Sa/Su-We?


Funnily enough, I lifted this from the thread on LEVEL cancelling LAX. At least based on the months operated, BOS had the highest average load factors on an annualized basis out of Barcelona of any long haul flight. https://twitter.com/Aeropuerto_BCN/status/1050362849300815872

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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:23 pm

33lspotter wrote:
airbazar wrote:
I think this has been discussed here a few times but that runway was conceived at a time when BOS movements were a lot higher than they are today, and there were a lot more smaller regional flights on turboprops. The runway was meant to remove those aircraft from the larger runway at certain times of the year in order to improve on-time performance. The industry has changed a lot and hardly anyone is flying turbo-props in and out of Logan these days.


It probably has. That provides good clarification, though, as I never put together the former presence of (and large reduction in) many RJs/props — obviously BOS has seen large reductions in both over the last 15 or so years.

While the number of small aircraft is largely down, mostly with thanks to B6's growth and market stimulation, the runway was designed and built with and understanding that it would need to accommodate RJs in addition to props. It probably could be used more than 1.5% of the time now and could see more use in the future. RW14/32 is the same size as HHH and 200 feet longer than EYW. It could be used now for E175s and almost anything else that lands at EYW. None of B6's current fleet can use it now, but I wonder if the A220 has a chance once it's entered the fleets. Both B6 and DL will be using them into BOS and it could short-cut holding patterns during some weather conditions.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:16 am

LotsaRunway wrote:
33lspotter wrote:
airbazar wrote:
I think this has been discussed here a few times but that runway was conceived at a time when BOS movements were a lot higher than they are today, and there were a lot more smaller regional flights on turboprops. The runway was meant to remove those aircraft from the larger runway at certain times of the year in order to improve on-time performance. The industry has changed a lot and hardly anyone is flying turbo-props in and out of Logan these days.


It probably has. That provides good clarification, though, as I never put together the former presence of (and large reduction in) many RJs/props — obviously BOS has seen large reductions in both over the last 15 or so years.

While the number of small aircraft is largely down, mostly with thanks to B6's growth and market stimulation, the runway was designed and built with and understanding that it would need to accommodate RJs in addition to props. It probably could be used more than 1.5% of the time now and could see more use in the future. RW14/32 is the same size as HHH and 200 feet longer than EYW. It could be used now for E175s and almost anything else that lands at EYW. None of B6's current fleet can use it now, but I wonder if the A220 has a chance once it's entered the fleets. Both B6 and DL will be using them into BOS and it could short-cut holding patterns during some weather conditions.


Neither HHH nor EYW have obstacles. I think that is the major limitation of rwy14/32. That Hyatt hotel wasn't put there by mere coincidence :)
I can't imagine what it would be like to do a go-around on an E75 (or A220), after a failed landing attempt on rwy 32. Seems pretty sketchy but I'm not a pilot.
And then there's that court order thing prohibiting take-offs on 32 and landings on 14. That also limits the total use down a bit :)
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:37 am

LotsaRunway wrote:
33lspotter wrote:
airbazar wrote:
I think this has been discussed here a few times but that runway was conceived at a time when BOS movements were a lot higher than they are today, and there were a lot more smaller regional flights on turboprops. The runway was meant to remove those aircraft from the larger runway at certain times of the year in order to improve on-time performance. The industry has changed a lot and hardly anyone is flying turbo-props in and out of Logan these days.


It probably has. That provides good clarification, though, as I never put together the former presence of (and large reduction in) many RJs/props — obviously BOS has seen large reductions in both over the last 15 or so years.

While the number of small aircraft is largely down, mostly with thanks to B6's growth and market stimulation, the runway was designed and built with and understanding that it would need to accommodate RJs in addition to props. It probably could be used more than 1.5% of the time now and could see more use in the future. RW14/32 is the same size as HHH and 200 feet longer than EYW. It could be used now for E175s and almost anything else that lands at EYW. None of B6's current fleet can use it now, but I wonder if the A220 has a chance once it's entered the fleets. Both B6 and DL will be using them into BOS and it could short-cut holding patterns during some weather conditions.


B6 E190s land on 32 all the time...
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:52 am

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B6 E190s land on 32 all the time...

Ha! I never thought it likely!
You made my day! :D
That tells me it could be used more. I understand the unidirectional issue and that the parallels are preferred operation, but if an E190 can do it routinely, then maybe it’s more pilot preference or ATC “habit(?)” to not use it more when the wind is right.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:15 am

LotsaRunway wrote:
Ha! I never thought it likely!
You made my day! :D
That tells me it could be used more. I understand the unidirectional issue and that the parallels are preferred operation, but if an E190 can do it routinely, then maybe it’s more pilot preference or ATC “habit(?)” to not use it more when the wind is right.


I believe winds must be minimum of 10 knots for it to be open.
 
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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:56 am

LotsaRunway wrote:
cessna53996 wrote:
B6 E190s land on 32 all the time...

Ha! I never thought it likely!
You made my day! :D
That tells me it could be used more. I understand the unidirectional issue and that the parallels are preferred operation, but if an E190 can do it routinely, then maybe it’s more pilot preference or ATC “habit(?)” to not use it more when the wind is right.


The 190 can do it just fine.
We use flaps full vs flaps 5 which is standard. Gives us a slower approach speed and definitely a different landing attitude. As long as the runway is dry it’s easy enough. It’s used along with 27 and generally assigned by approach or you can request it. Some pilots would prefer the longer runway by default. But if we have the performance numbers I don’t see an issue.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:22 am

Did UA make BOS-LAX one of their p.s routes? It looks like all flights going forward are loaded as 757-200s. I found a TPG article from August, but I haven’t seen or heard anything from United that confirms it.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-la ... -lie-flat/
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:10 am

Looks like DL BOS-LAX next summer will be all D1 757s.
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:26 pm

UALifer wrote:
Did UA make BOS-LAX one of their p.s routes? It looks like all flights going forward are loaded as 757-200s. I found a TPG article from August, but I haven’t seen or heard anything from United that confirms it.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-la ... -lie-flat/

I'm under the impression it's all lie flat but not upgraded to PS service level. Maybe they are waiting to see the numbers before fully upgrading it.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:43 pm

FGITD wrote:

The "eagles nest " is a nickname used for the old American eagle area. Calling it a terminal is really an exaggeration. No jetbridges or any real amenities. It's located right next to the massport fire station, at the entrance to the J pad


Was it originally built as a terminal for American Eagle? I remember being on the tarmac and in the building back in 1996 for an AF1 arrival and it was an FBO (almost positive it was Signature Aviation) at the time. Did AA take over the space during their build up when Signature moved themselves over into the old TWA maintenance space?
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:53 pm

Qatar's change to the 77W will last until March 29, not just through the end of January as Routes Online originally stated here:

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ght=Boston

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