Boston aviation - 2018

33lspotter · Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:24 pm

FGITD wrote:
Not sure why BA would cancel, but the snow is as good a guess as any. It doesn't take a whole lot of snow or frost to ground an airplane.

After looking at Twitter, appears to have been a technical problem. Makes sense, as -- while we had some flakes earlier in the day -- it didn't accumulate, and other airlines' ops seemed to be running as normal.

clrd4t8koff · Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:31 pm

FGITD wrote:
33lspotter wrote:
FGITD wrote:
supposedly Emirates doesn't want to tow their 380 to a remote hardstand. And Massport doesn't want to have one gate at a far overcapacity terminal occupied by an empty plane for 8+ hours

If this is indeed the issue, I wonder why it (allegedly) took so long to determine that this would be a problem. I feel like this is something they should have known might be problematic a while back, rather than have it be fine until push came to shove.

You'd be surprised how many things around the airport can be a game of "just wait, they'll give in..."

Massport of course does not play that game. And to their credit, they run a fair ship regarding terminal E.

Not sure why BA would cancel, but the snow is as good a guess as any. It doesn't take a whole lot of snow or frost to ground an airplane.

Wonder what BA's plans are when it snows at IAD (and soon ORD) with the A380 if that's their concern/reason for not sending it today to BOS. Anyone know if BA has a history of subbing their A380 flights with 744's during winter at Dulles?

FGITD · Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:21 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
FGITD wrote:
33lspotter wrote:

If this is indeed the issue, I wonder why it (allegedly) took so long to determine that this would be a problem. I feel like this is something they should have known might be problematic a while back, rather than have it be fine until push came to shove.

You'd be surprised how many things around the airport can be a game of "just wait, they'll give in..."

Massport of course does not play that game. And to their credit, they run a fair ship regarding terminal E.

Not sure why BA would cancel, but the snow is as good a guess as any. It doesn't take a whole lot of snow or frost to ground an airplane.

Wonder what BA's plans are when it snows at IAD (and soon ORD) with the A380 if that's their concern/reason for not sending it today to BOS. Anyone know if BA has a history of subbing their A380 flights with 744's during winter at Dulles?

The issue in Boston is that no provider has any a380 capable deicing trucks. Due to the tail height, you need a taller (and of course more expensive) truck. Since they fly the 380 spring to autumn, no one invested in them.

rnav2dlrey · Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:47 am

maybe i’m reading this wrong, or there was a filing error, or i completely missed discussion on this in this thread.... but in enilria’s weekly OAG changes post, EK has filed a daily BOS-LHR beginning in september.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1390437

Jouhou · Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:05 am

rnav2dlrey wrote:
maybe i’m reading this wrong, or there was a filing error, or i completely missed discussion on this in this thread.... but in enilria’s weekly OAG changes post, EK has filed a daily BOS-LHR beginning in september.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1390437

NOTE: EK BOS-LHR service is APRIL FOOL!

clrd4t8koff · Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:14 pm

FGITD wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
FGITD wrote:

You'd be surprised how many things around the airport can be a game of "just wait, they'll give in..."

Massport of course does not play that game. And to their credit, they run a fair ship regarding terminal E.

Not sure why BA would cancel, but the snow is as good a guess as any. It doesn't take a whole lot of snow or frost to ground an airplane.

Wonder what BA's plans are when it snows at IAD (and soon ORD) with the A380 if that's their concern/reason for not sending it today to BOS. Anyone know if BA has a history of subbing their A380 flights with 744's during winter at Dulles?

The issue in Boston is that no provider has any a380 capable deicing trucks. Due to the tail height, you need a taller (and of course more expensive) truck. Since they fly the 380 spring to autumn, no one invested in them.

Interesting. Considering MASSPORT spent millions building A380 capable gates you would have thought naturally they would have purchased capable deicing trucks. Thank you FGITD for the continued insight!

pitbosflyer · Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:04 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
Interesting. Considering MASSPORT spent millions building A380 capable gates you would have thought naturally they would have purchased capable deicing trucks. Thank you FGITD for the continued insight!

It wouldn't be the first thing in this project that didn't seem well thought out. Remember how the A380 gates can't use both jetways to load smaller planes.

33lspotter · Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:15 pm

pitbosflyer wrote:
It wouldn't be the first thing in this project that didn't seem well thought out. Remember how the A380 gates can't use both jetways to load smaller planes.

FGITD · Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:45 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
FGITD wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:

Wonder what BA's plans are when it snows at IAD (and soon ORD) with the A380 if that's their concern/reason for not sending it today to BOS. Anyone know if BA has a history of subbing their A380 flights with 744's during winter at Dulles?

The issue in Boston is that no provider has any a380 capable deicing trucks. Due to the tail height, you need a taller (and of course more expensive) truck. Since they fly the 380 spring to autumn, no one invested in them.

Interesting. Considering MASSPORT spent millions building A380 capable gates you would have thought naturally they would have purchased capable deicing trucks. Thank you FGITD for the continued insight!

Massport isn't responsible for deicing.

Deicing is a little bit of an odd subject because it's a very specialized aspect of ground handling. Therefore, very few handlers offer it. And with BA, the handler that deices is not the same one that does the rest of ground handling. (Loading, pushback, etc) So very little financial incentive to purchase these expensive trucks for one airline that mostly uses your competitor.

Catering on the other hand did buy the 380 capable lift trucks. But I'm sure BA made it worth their while

CapitalAvGeek · Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:16 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
FGITD wrote:

You'd be surprised how many things around the airport can be a game of "just wait, they'll give in..."

Massport of course does not play that game. And to their credit, they run a fair ship regarding terminal E.

Not sure why BA would cancel, but the snow is as good a guess as any. It doesn't take a whole lot of snow or frost to ground an airplane.

Wonder what BA's plans are when it snows at IAD (and soon ORD) with the A380 if that's their concern/reason for not sending it today to BOS. Anyone know if BA has a history of subbing their A380 flights with 744's during winter at Dulles?

We have not had much snow in DC the past couple of years, but I know a few years ago BA flew in a 77W for a 772 and an A380. BA would sometimes sub in a 744 on Saturday’s and cannot remember if it was a Saturday, so a 772 and 744 might have been originally scheduled. This storm started in the evening and all of the foreign carrier international flights got out but some departure times were moved up.

NickolayAv · Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:09 pm

According to Nordic Aviation thread BOS-CPH will go seasonal. Not surprised considering the loads.

pitbosflyer · Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:40 pm

Looks like Primera Air is still on to start London Stansted – Boston in May. But they are going to be using a leased 757 as they are still waiting on A321neo's.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... on-in-s18/

adamh8297 · Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:24 pm

NickolayAv wrote:
According to Nordic Aviation thread BOS-CPH will go seasonal. Not surprised considering the loads.

That would be a good route for B6 and the A321neoLR if SK completely bails.

FGITD · Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:01 pm

Saw the official design/plans for the new terminal E expansion earlier. Nothing that hasn't already been posted on here (except for a few details that I can't post. Nothing secret, but not yet announced so it's not my place to do so)

It's going to be absolutely gorgeous though. And unless they want to pay up (again) I think it's going to make BA, LH, and EK regret jumping on those E10-12 lounges.

Now we just have to wait until 2021...

airbazar · Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:27 pm

FGITD wrote:
Saw the official design/plans for the new terminal E expansion earlier. Nothing that hasn't already been posted on here (except for a few details that I can't post. Nothing secret, but not yet announced so it's not my place to do so)

It's going to be absolutely gorgeous though. And unless they want to pay up (again) I think it's going to make BA, LH, and EK regret jumping on those E10-12 lounges.

Now we just have to wait until 2021...

I'm sure moving lounges is not a huge deal. I mean EK is paying all that money for 1 single daily flight. Something tells me that they won't blink at the cost of moving in another 3 years or so. But if they (or LH) are not operating the A380 here in 3 years, then there might not be a reason to move at all.

B752OS · Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:16 am

FGITD wrote:
Saw the official design/plans for the new terminal E expansion earlier. Nothing that hasn't already been posted on here (except for a few details that I can't post. Nothing secret, but not yet announced so it's not my place to do so)

It's going to be absolutely gorgeous though. And unless they want to pay up (again) I think it's going to make BA, LH, and EK regret jumping on those E10-12 lounges.

Now we just have to wait until 2021...

Any idea when construction should be starting? We're already into Q2 2018 and nothing has commenced.

Phase 1 will have space for what? 3 lounges? Apart from BA, LH and EK, who else operates lounges in E? VS and AF?

adamh8297 · Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:18 pm

Flew B6 BOS-BGI-BOS recently and arrived home last night.

- Was delayed 2 hours for overfueling in BGI and arrived same time as CX HKG-BOS. Took advantage of mobile passport and saved a LOT of time.
- Lots of connections (At least 10%) on BGI-BOS notably DTW/BWI/SYR. It was tight for those folks
- More VFR traffic on BOS-BGI than expected.
- New screens at Carousels in Terminal E - Where these installed recently?

FGITD · Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:28 pm

B752OS wrote:

Any idea when construction should be starting? We're already into Q2 2018 and nothing has commenced.

Phase 1 will have space for what? 3 lounges? Apart from BA, LH and EK, who else operates lounges in E? VS and AF?

Supposedly next January.

Interesting times for those driving by the airport. Strikes are leaving airplanes overnight. AF had a 789 overnight, and now LH is overnighting the 748 and 350 tonight. Even a c17 has been out there. Always fun to see...unless of course you work for the carrier I suppose

johhn14 · Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:43 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
Flew B6 BOS-BGI-BOS recently and arrived home last night.

- Was delayed 2 hours for overfueling in BGI and arrived same time as CX HKG-BOS. Took advantage of mobile passport and saved a LOT of time.
- Lots of connections (At least 10%) on BGI-BOS notably DTW/BWI/SYR. It was tight for those folks
- More VFR traffic on BOS-BGI than expected.
- New screens at Carousels in Terminal E - Where these installed recently?

Screens are not new. The thing that is new though is the glass divider that splits the carousel and has it in two different rooms. Couldn’t figure out the purpose of that.

Recently passed through there myself and a colleague with mobile passport cleared faster than I did with Global Entry. Both would have been significantly faster than the regular line.

swinch · Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:35 pm

I flew into Logan a few weeks ago and noticed a saudi 747, presumably here with the royal family, parked on runway 14. Is this runway regularly used as a "backup" hardstand or is it more of a one time occurrence?

AviationAddict · Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:30 am

Flew out of BOS earlier today. A USAF C-17 landed shortly before I boarded. When we departed from 33L I saw it parked over where the former AA hangar was (next to the BA A380). I wish I had time to get my phone out, would have made a great picture!

airbazar · Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:11 pm

johhn14 wrote:
Recently passed through there myself and a colleague with mobile passport cleared faster than I did with Global Entry. Both would have been significantly faster than the regular line.

I always chuckle when I hear about US citizens complain about the 10-15 minute wait times at immigration

Having said that, nothing beats the automated border control gates they have in Europe. We need to implement that here ASAP.

hisham · Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:24 pm

The 380 is gone but Boeing’s military and civilian 4-holers are on my instagram @alefpet

jworks158 · Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:59 pm

AviationAddict wrote:
Flew out of BOS earlier today. A USAF C-17 landed shortly before I boarded. When we departed from 33L I saw it parked over where the former AA hangar was (next to the BA A380). I wish I had time to get my phone out, would have made a great picture!

Vice President Pence is coming to BOS this week, this is probably the reason for the USAF C-17

Midwestindy · Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:27 pm

jworks158 wrote:
AviationAddict wrote:
Flew out of BOS earlier today. A USAF C-17 landed shortly before I boarded. When we departed from 33L I saw it parked over where the former AA hangar was (next to the BA A380). I wish I had time to get my phone out, would have made a great picture!

Vice President Pence is coming to BOS this week, this is probably the reason for the USAF C-17

Currently sitting in the DL lounge by A17 and just saw his 757 pull by, I saw the C-17 when I landed this morning out by EL AL and Lufthansa, but it hasn't moved since then

chrisnh · Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:02 am

EI ditching SNN for the winter caught me by surprise...but at the same time, it didn’t. Still, that move sure is a tradition-breaker. And a slight hit to our passenger numbers.

clrd4t8koff · Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:41 pm

chrisnh wrote:
EI ditching SNN for the winter caught me by surprise...but at the same time, it didn’t. Still, that move sure is a tradition-breaker. And a slight hit to our passenger numbers.

Wondering if with all the emphasis EI is putting on DUB with the addition of new 757 routes to both IAD and PHL if maybe BOS-SNN was the loser in that. I'm sure there's no lack of demand year round on BOS-SNN. Not sure about yields in the winter. Neither are great places to be then.

VS4ever · Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:07 pm

Well fun and games tonight. B61152 delayed 4 hours MCO-BOS, changed flight to go via JFK, that one went tech , could no longer get our connection, back on 1152
BUT in what is the greatest irony I think I have seen at an airport, thanks to the tracking of FlightAware I have literally just witnessed the plane that will end up taking us to BOS leaving the very next gate to take a run MCO-RIC-MCO before taking us at 11.45
Nice arrival time of 2.38am... gotta love flying. Oh and by the way, I’ve been here since 3.30 already

airbazar · Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:49 am

VS4ever wrote:
Well fun and games tonight. B61152 delayed 4 hours MCO-BOS, changed flight to go via JFK, that one went tech , could no longer get our connection, back on 1152
BUT in what is the greatest irony I think I have seen at an airport, thanks to the tracking of FlightAware I have literally just witnessed the plane that will end up taking us to BOS leaving the very next gate to take a run MCO-RIC-MCO before taking us at 11.45
Nice arrival time of 2.38am... gotta love flying. Oh and by the way, I’ve been here since 3.30 already

I don't get easily riled up with air travel issues but one thing that really bugs me is when I pay more, sometimes significantly more for a better schedule and then my flight is delayed and the flight that was the cheaper option ends up departing before the one that I paid more for. That really gets me going

adamh8297 · Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:26 pm

Noticed many VS ads on the Red Line today touting all three classes of service.... no mention of specific flights to MAN and LHR though.

B752OS · Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:13 pm

http://www.massport.com/media/2766/marc ... ermark.pdf

Presentation from the latest Massport board meeting has been released. See slides 152 and on. Lots of information on the Terminal B expansion and renovation work, including renders. It looks pretty solid and should go a long way to improving the experience in Terminal B for passengers.

jarvismj · Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:28 pm

B752OS wrote:
http://www.massport.com/media/2766/march-15-2018-board-presentation_website_watermark.pdf

Presentation from the latest Massport board meeting has been released. See slides 152 and on. Lots of information on the Terminal B expansion and renovation work, including renders. It looks pretty solid and should go a long way to improving the experience in Terminal B for passengers.

Nice presentation but just a heads up, it's 860MB...

clrd4t8koff · Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:41 pm

B752OS wrote:
http://www.massport.com/media/2766/march-15-2018-board-presentation_website_watermark.pdf

Presentation from the latest Massport board meeting has been released. See slides 152 and on. Lots of information on the Terminal B expansion and renovation work, including renders. It looks pretty solid and should go a long way to improving the experience in Terminal B for passengers.

Thanks for sharing. I feel like I'm missing something as I look at the previous layout of gates and the future layout. It looks to be the exact same number of gates....or was that always the plan? It's also unclear if with the future layout if they're pushing UA down and giving AA a few of those gates (B20, 21, 22).

iyerhari · Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:53 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
B752OS wrote:
http://www.massport.com/media/2766/march-15-2018-board-presentation_website_watermark.pdf

Presentation from the latest Massport board meeting has been released. See slides 152 and on. Lots of information on the Terminal B expansion and renovation work, including renders. It looks pretty solid and should go a long way to improving the experience in Terminal B for passengers.

Thanks for sharing. I feel like I'm missing something as I look at the previous layout of gates and the future layout. It looks to be the exact same number of gates....or was that always the plan? It's also unclear if with the future layout if they're pushing UA down and giving AA a few of those gates (B20, 21, 22).

http://www.massport.com/media/2729/0218 ... -final.pdf
This presentation has the correct depiction and transition of gates in two stages: UA is going to keep the same set of gates. AA/LUS has some gate losses compared to what they have now combined although I do not know if they are being fully used.

1. Jan-2019 - complete AA/LUS consolidation. B1-3 AC, B4-B20 - AA/LUS consolidated on LUS side, B21 is a common use gate for UA and AA consolidated
B22-B29 - UA
During this timeframe, Southwest continues to operate from Terminal A
2. Jun-2019 - B32A,32, 33, 34, 35A, Southwest moves to Terminal B - DL gets all of Terminal A (WS continues to operate from A with 1-2 gates)
B35, B36 - AS,
B37, B38 - NK
B21 – SY (maybe – that did not come clearly in the presentation and is an open topic)
B30 and B31 is free at this time. Maybe that may end up becoming a free gate for eventual use.

Terminal B to C connector goes live implies passengers on OneWorld can use the B to C to E connector to walk to E to take an international flight. B6 passengers will continue to use C to E connector.

Hope this clarifies.

VS4ever · Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:36 pm

B752OS wrote:
http://www.massport.com/media/2766/march-15-2018-board-presentation_website_watermark.pdf

Presentation from the latest Massport board meeting has been released. See slides 152 and on. Lots of information on the Terminal B expansion and renovation work, including renders. It looks pretty solid and should go a long way to improving the experience in Terminal B for passengers.

It also confirms that the BOS-CTU route is valid for 2019, although it says still subject to approval which i thought Sichuan said they already had... hmmmm...
and while I am not going to start a war about B6's woes, it was not a good day technically for them and a number of folks on this site will pile on if i did that. On the one hand yesterday sucked getting in finally at 4.02am, after a 4 1/2 hour delay on not 1 but 2 A321 flights. But kudos to the B6 staff, they tried every trick in the book to help me and my colleague get back earlier, but everything got topped off at midnight when we all had boarded, only to be informed we were having a tire change! left the gate 1.04am....
All this tells me, is in the future, suck it up and stay the extra night!

jworks158 · Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:05 am

iyerhari wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
B752OS wrote:
http://www.massport.com/media/2766/march-15-2018-board-presentation_website_watermark.pdf

Presentation from the latest Massport board meeting has been released. See slides 152 and on. Lots of information on the Terminal B expansion and renovation work, including renders. It looks pretty solid and should go a long way to improving the experience in Terminal B for passengers.

Thanks for sharing. I feel like I'm missing something as I look at the previous layout of gates and the future layout. It looks to be the exact same number of gates....or was that always the plan? It's also unclear if with the future layout if they're pushing UA down and giving AA a few of those gates (B20, 21, 22).

http://www.massport.com/media/2729/0218 ... -final.pdf
This presentation has the correct depiction and transition of gates in two stages: UA is going to keep the same set of gates. AA/LUS has some gate losses compared to what they have now combined although I do not know if they are being fully used.

1. Jan-2019 - complete AA/LUS consolidation. B1-3 AC, B4-B20 - AA/LUS consolidated on LUS side, B21 is a common use gate for UA and AA consolidated
B22-B29 - UA
During this timeframe, Southwest continues to operate from Terminal A
2. Jun-2019 - B32A,32, 33, 34, 35A, Southwest moves to Terminal B - DL gets all of Terminal A (WS continues to operate from A with 1-2 gates)
B35, B36 - AS,
B37, B38 - NK
B21 – SY (maybe – that did not come clearly in the presentation and is an open topic)
B30 and B31 is free at this time. Maybe that may end up becoming a free gate for eventual use.

Terminal B to C connector goes live implies passengers on OneWorld can use the B to C to E connector to walk to E to take an international flight. B6 passengers will continue to use C to E connector.

Hope this clarifies.

My reply touches on a number of subjects covered in this new presentation: The Renderings(158-179), and The AA Gate map on slide 153.

Lets start with the gate map, two things. First according to slide 153, AA currently has a combined total of 22 gates, this includes two gates capable of handling an aircraft as large as a 772. Post renovation they will have 18 gates though AA will lose the ability of ever bringing a 772 back to Boston. It appears according to slide 153 that AA will be taking over gates 20-22, and gate 22 will have ability to accommodate an aircraft as large as a A333 (even though AA has announced a plan to start the retirement of this aircraft). Furthermore according to slide 154-155 massport will be paying for a renovation of the gate 20-22 area, we can speculate to either a neutral branding of the gates, or a switch from UA to AA branding.

Now on to the renderings, where I will start with the negatives. I worry about architectural consistency between each section of B. This is shown very well on slide 160 with the size of the windows as well as the exterior finish. My only other distinct design objection is on slide 166, and slide 169. The support structure for the great hall appears to take away from the high wavy ceiling which is depicted, it is made worse by the color which was chosen. Don't get me wrong I love orange but I don't believe it goes well in this design.
On to the positives, we have come to expect great things from Logan with the recent additions and renovation, which they have done a phenomenal job on. In this design I love the exit signs (slide 175) as well as the "Consistent Architectural Cues – Public Circulation" on slide 167. I also love the restroom silhouettes which they plan on using. These were also used in the C-E connector project. My only concern with these is that they could be offensive to some communities.

B752OS · Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:49 pm

If it can fit an A333, shouldn't it also be able to fit a 788 or 789? I don't see it as a big negative that AA won't have direct access to a gates that can handle a 772/77W - the 787 is going to be have a big place in AA's longhaul fleet.

adamh8297 · Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:49 pm

VS4ever wrote:

It also confirms that the BOS-CTU route is valid for 2019, although it says still subject to approval which i thought Sichuan said they already had... hmmmm...
and while I am not going to start a war about B6's woes, it was not a good day technically for them and a number of folks on this site will pile on if i did that. On the one hand yesterday sucked getting in finally at 4.02am, after a 4 1/2 hour delay on not 1 but 2 A321 flights. But kudos to the B6 staff, they tried every trick in the book to help me and my colleague get back earlier, but everything got topped off at midnight when we all had boarded, only to be informed we were having a tire change! left the gate 1.04am....
All this tells me, is in the future, suck it up and stay the extra night!

I think Sichuan needs DOT approval and they probably won't apply until a few months before most likely by end of year.

Massport also confirmed BOS-SAL in presentation on AV.

Something is up with B6... but you are due some $ due to length of your delay per their Bill of Rights.

VS4ever · Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:23 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
VS4ever wrote:

It also confirms that the BOS-CTU route is valid for 2019, although it says still subject to approval which i thought Sichuan said they already had... hmmmm...
and while I am not going to start a war about B6's woes, it was not a good day technically for them and a number of folks on this site will pile on if i did that. On the one hand yesterday sucked getting in finally at 4.02am, after a 4 1/2 hour delay on not 1 but 2 A321 flights. But kudos to the B6 staff, they tried every trick in the book to help me and my colleague get back earlier, but everything got topped off at midnight when we all had boarded, only to be informed we were having a tire change! left the gate 1.04am....
All this tells me, is in the future, suck it up and stay the extra night!

I think Sichuan needs DOT approval and they probably won't apply until a few months before most likely by end of year.

Massport also confirmed BOS-SAL in presentation on AV.

Something is up with B6... but you are due some $ due to length of your delay per their Bill of Rights.

Yep, and yesterday I received $100 as a result in future travel credit. Good for a year.

Kno · Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:17 pm

B752OS wrote:
If it can fit an A333, shouldn't it also be able to fit a 788 or 789? I don't see it as a big negative that AA won't have direct access to a gates that can handle a 772/77W - the 787 is going to be have a big place in AA's longhaul fleet.

A diversion or an equipment sub is likely to happen on occasion, so it would make sense to at least paint the lines even if it requires blocking the next door gate.

mikegigs · Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:09 am

Did anybody happen to notice in the Massport presentation's section talking about new and increased services that they had listed Avianca to San Salvador? Was this a mistake or did they let some news slip that was not released to the public yet? I can;t find anything about it online...

PilotJAY16 · Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:20 am

iyerhari wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
B752OS wrote:
http://www.massport.com/media/2766/march-15-2018-board-presentation_website_watermark.pdf

Presentation from the latest Massport board meeting has been released. See slides 152 and on. Lots of information on the Terminal B expansion and renovation work, including renders. It looks pretty solid and should go a long way to improving the experience in Terminal B for passengers.

Thanks for sharing. I feel like I'm missing something as I look at the previous layout of gates and the future layout. It looks to be the exact same number of gates....or was that always the plan? It's also unclear if with the future layout if they're pushing UA down and giving AA a few of those gates (B20, 21, 22).

http://www.massport.com/media/2729/0218 ... -final.pdf
This presentation has the correct depiction and transition of gates in two stages: UA is going to keep the same set of gates. AA/LUS has some gate losses compared to what they have now combined although I do not know if they are being fully used.

1. Jan-2019 - complete AA/LUS consolidation. B1-3 AC, B4-B20 - AA/LUS consolidated on LUS side, B21 is a common use gate for UA and AA consolidated
B22-B29 - UA
During this timeframe, Southwest continues to operate from Terminal A
2. Jun-2019 - B32A,32, 33, 34, 35A, Southwest moves to Terminal B - DL gets all of Terminal A (WS continues to operate from A with 1-2 gates)
B35, B36 - AS,
B37, B38 - NK
B21 – SY (maybe – that did not come clearly in the presentation and is an open topic)
B30 and B31 is free at this time. Maybe that may end up becoming a free gate for eventual use.

Terminal B to C connector goes live implies passengers on OneWorld can use the B to C to E connector to walk to E to take an international flight. B6 passengers will continue to use C to E connector.

Hope this clarifies.

Can you repost to link to this PDF? It is saying it is broken.

adamh8297 · Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:11 pm

mikegigs wrote:
Did anybody happen to notice in the Massport presentation's section talking about new and increased services that they had listed Avianca to San Salvador? Was this a mistake or did they let some news slip that was not released to the public yet? I can;t find anything about it online...

We found out about in on here through the Central American Aviation Thread where someone posted AV's in-flight magazine CEO message stating the route will be started in 2018. So its been announced (to customers and internally) but not loaded.

The only question I have is how they are going to do it. Originally I thought they would run it 3 weekly and slot it into the days where BOS-BOG doesn't run but that's going daily in September and half of October.

I'm personally praying it will connect to SAL-RTB flights - would need to be red-eye for that to happen.

clrd4t8koff · Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:10 pm

Over in the weekly OAG thread it's being reported WS is dropping BOS-YUL. Just a guess here - I think this might have less to do with demand and more to do with the fact DL needs to be able to use A1 for a few of their own flights. If I'm not mistaken this summer DL will be at its peak of the number of flights e.g BOS. With WS running BOS-YUL that put them at 7 flights per day and basically the sole user of the gate. People can drive to YUL much easier than they can to YTZ and YHZ, so YUL was cut. Curious if anyone knows how well the route was performing overall?

Also noticed DY BOS-LGW dropping to 5x weekly in Nov. Thought this is daily year round now that CPH & OSL are gone?

hinckley · Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:41 pm

According to the Globe, a record 75,620 people flew out of BOS last Friday.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/0 ... story.html

iyerhari · Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:37 am

clrd4t8koff wrote:
Over in the weekly OAG thread it's being reported WS is dropping BOS-YUL. Just a guess here - I think this might have less to do with demand and more to do with the fact DL needs to be able to use A1 for a few of their own flights. If I'm not mistaken this summer DL will be at its peak of the number of flights e.g BOS. With WS running BOS-YUL that put them at 7 flights per day and basically the sole user of the gate. People can drive to YUL much easier than they can to YTZ and YHZ, so YUL was cut. Curious if anyone knows how well the route was performing overall?

Also noticed DY BOS-LGW dropping to 5x weekly in Nov. Thought this is daily year round now that CPH & OSL are gone?

I believe Thenoflyzone works for WS in BOS and maybe able to shred light on the exact reason for the BOS-YUL drop or maybe WS intends to launch BOS-YYC at a later date. BOS-YUL is a solid 5+ hour drive. I did it once for business and realized it isn't worth it. Probably the business demand may not be that much and connection options are far limited out of YUL.

I just checked WS LF for BOS-YHZ and it's 83% and YHZ-BOS is 83% implying it is good. I couldn't find the LF for BOS-YUL on WS from T-100.

737307 · Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:41 am

hinckley wrote:
According to the Globe, a record 75,620 people flew out of BOS last Friday.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/0 ... story.html

That would be 75,619 people plus myself . I barely added to the statistics at 11:25 PM

airbazar · Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:34 pm

iyerhari wrote:
1. Jan-2019 - complete AA/LUS consolidation. B1-3 AC
[...]
2. Jun-2019 -
B30 and B31 is free at this time. Maybe that may end up becoming a free gate for eventual use.

Humm, it would make sense to move AC to B30/31 since they're both *A carriers.

clrd4t8koff wrote:
Over in the weekly OAG thread it's being reported WS is dropping BOS-YUL. Just a guess here - I think this might have less to do with demand and more to do with the fact DL needs to be able to use A1 for a few of their own flights. If I'm not mistaken this summer DL will be at its peak of the number of flights e.g BOS.

BOS-YUL is hardly just O&D. WS connects a lot of passengers via YUL and it's an easier airport to connect than via YYZ.
I flew Westjet in February and had a miserable experience with them, most as a result of them operating a Q400 on the route. Lets just say the aircraft just can't handle a full load of passengers and their bags. So I think it would be a huge improvement if the consequence of dropping YUL was an upgauge of the YYZ route to a 737.

tlecam · Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:32 pm

Over in the OAG thread, TPHuang posted the T-100 LF's for BOS-YUL for WestJet - they were quite a bit lower than the AC numbers. In the 60's if I recall.

Personally, I think that that WestJet has a marketing / branding problem. I know they did targeted ads in Boston on the radio to publicize the service, but I work for a firm where many of us travel a lot and no one knows much about them. Everyone just assumes AC.

Also, of the people who do know of Westjet, the Dash-8s that they have on the route don't help. Also, for business travelers, the morning departure ex BOS is quite late.

iyerhari · Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:51 pm

tlecam wrote:
Over in the OAG thread, TPHuang posted the T-100 LF's for BOS-YUL for WestJet - they were quite a bit lower than the AC numbers. In the 60's if I recall.

Personally, I think that that WestJet has a marketing / branding problem. I know they did targeted ads in Boston on the radio to publicize the service, but I work for a firm where many of us travel a lot and no one knows much about them. Everyone just assumes AC.

Also, of the people who do know of Westjet, the Dash-8s that they have on the route don't help. Also, for business travelers, the morning departure ex BOS is quite late.

I think the challenge for most business travelers is the options and flexibility. E.g. even a busy route from BOS-YYZ has four flights in a day on a peak day on Mon - AC has flights starting 6:00 am - I counted it and there were 9 flights. With WS/DL codeshare, there is a decent shot for DL FF to start using WS - every segment and miles count - you know that especially to preserve your FF

My company travel site shows WS but I believe AC still owns the market to Canada. I have to say surely that thanks to WS entry, AC flight charges have become quite competitive. They used to be exorbitant.

airbazar wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
1. Jan-2019 - complete AA/LUS consolidation. B1-3 AC
[...]
2. Jun-2019 -
B30 and B31 is free at this time. Maybe that may end up becoming a free gate for eventual use.

Humm, it would make sense to move AC to B30/31 since they're both *A carriers.

The walk wouldn't be very long IMO - I believe not exceeding 8-10 minutes tops. I really do not know how many UA passengers will be connecting to BOS - probably I can think of CLE passengers to international or AC flights to Canada. The other UA hubs offer flights to all destinations from BOS with the exception of YHZ (only EWR has the flight).

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