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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:51 am

YNGguins wrote:
Elite for service to Newark 4x weekly. If anyone has any idea of this outfit or any experience with them, I’d love to know.


If I remember correctly Elite served RFD for a while to Colorado. In time it faded and went away. Like anywhere if Youngstown fliers need to fly to EWR and use the service that will make it work or not.

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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:00 am

KarlB737 wrote:
YNGguins wrote:
Elite for service to Newark 4x weekly. If anyone has any idea of this outfit or any experience with them, I’d love to know.


If I remember correctly Elite served RFD for a while to Colorado. In time it faded and went away. Like anywhere if Youngstown fliers need to fly to EWR and use the service that will make it work or not.

Elite Airways

http://www2.eliteairways.net/

I should have separated that out better. I am quite familiar with Elite, but I’m not familiar with this Ashley Air company. If anyone knows anything about them, please share. Ironically enough Elite charters their flights or they use Elite aircraft.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:12 am

CMHMarc787 wrote:
I'm glad to hear B36 is getting a jetway, once again. I can't understand why it was removed in the first place.


Agreed on both counts. Very happy to hear it's coming back. Now, as everyone has already mentioned, jetbridges just need to come back to C48 and A1.

Some pretty big news on the LCK front:

http://www.dispatch.com/business/201803 ... acker-area

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/ne ... would.html

The FAA requires airport to update master plans for 20 years into the future every 10 years; LCK's will be released tomorrow. A lot of information, though, is already presented in the above articles. Plans include upgrading runways and taxiways for larger aircraft, several new cargo facilities, and upgrades to the existing passenger terminal, as well as an anticipated 900% increase in cargo volume in 20 years.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:30 am

flyCMH wrote:
CMHMarc787 wrote:
I'm glad to hear B36 is getting a jetway, once again. I can't understand why it was removed in the first place.


Agreed on both counts. Very happy to hear it's coming back. Now, as everyone has already mentioned, jetbridges just need to come back to C48 and A1.


C48 is also due to get one this year per the RFP upthread.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:30 pm

YNGguins wrote:
I’m not familiar with this Ashley Air company. If anyone knows anything about them, please share.


It appears it is a Travel Company that uses a few airlines to cover the flying needs for their customers if I'm understanding their website correctly.

Ashley Air and Travel - Discount Membership Travel

http://ashleyairandtravel.com/


The link below I have to believe has nothing to do with what YNG's business relationship will be since it is a very expensive service. It is probably just another part of their business.

Ashley Air Jet Card Membership
https://gulfstreamjetsforlease.wordpress.com/2015/05/01/ashley-air-jet-card-membership/
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:43 pm

knope2001 wrote:
NoTime wrote:
WWads wrote:

UA took over the EAS subsidies so loads don't matter as much. Those ORD numbers actually aren't too bad all things considered.


(Thanks for the numbers, cvgComair.)

Those look pretty abysmal, but I agree that EAS routes are probably low across the board (but that low?). If I remember correctly, there's also a CRJ maintenance base there... so I guess that makes the numbers a little more bearable, too.


This actually isn't horrible -- a couple of reasons why:

1. Skywest's EAS big for Clarksburg expected a 42% load factor.
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... 20736-0149

2. This is only the first month. It takes time for people to establish new travel habits. Plus in the first days of a new service loads are lighter because you don't have any people "returning" yet.

3. The actual load factor on the scheduled EAS passenger flights is likely a notch or two higher in some cases than the stats indicate. That's because the T100 stats don't differentiate between scheduled passenger flights and empty non-passenger ferry flights. Look at CKB-ORD for November. Skywest flies 1x/day from CKB to ORD which would be 30 trips in November. But the November stats show 33 flights operated, not 30. The three extra are likely empty ferry flights operated CKB-ORD due to the Skywest maintenence base the Clarksburg. Skywest routinely operates empty ferry flights to/from maintenance base cities -- just in November Skywest operated other empty ferry flights at Clarksburg to or from places such as Hartford, South Bend, and Springfield MO. When an empty ferry flight happens to run a route like CKB-SBN it shows 1 flight with 0 passengers and 50 seats. But if they happen to run an empty ferry flight CKB-ORD or CKB-IAD that 1 flight with 0 passengers and 50 seats gets rolled into the stats of the scheduled EAS flights they operate on those routes. Those seats on the empty ferry flights make the load factor of the scheduled passenger EAS service look worse than it was.

That Skywest has a maintenence base in Clarksburg makes it better for them to have the EAS passenger contract for the city -- they are likely able to rotate more aircraft into CKB without having to ferry. But even when a city with a maintenance base has plenty of scheduled Skywest flights it's still not uncommon to have to run empty ferry flights in or out. For example Skywest operates more than a dozen scheduled flights every day at Colorado Springs, but in November Skywest still operated empty ferry flights from their Colorado Springs maintenance base to BIL, LAS, MKE, OKC, OMA and SFO. Those are just the cost of doing business. If they didn't operate scheduled flights to CKB at all then all aircraft in and out of that base woudl be empty ferry flights, of course.

As for projecting only a 42% load factor there certainly are many fuller EAS routes operated with 50-seat RJ's, but it's not a total outlier. Because of lower per-seat operating cost and the ability to serve more passengers with fewer flights, a market like CKB can have a far lower per-passengers subidy with a Skywest CRJ than a 9-seat prop. Skywest's per-passenger subsidy for CKB even with only a 42% projected load factor is $104. EAS markets operated with 9-seat props tend to have anywere between $160 and $400 subsidy per passenger.


Cheers - Thanks for the insight.

flyCMH wrote:
Some pretty big news on the LCK front:

http://www.dispatch.com/business/201803 ... acker-area

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/ne ... would.html

The FAA requires airport to update master plans for 20 years into the future every 10 years; LCK's will be released tomorrow. A lot of information, though, is already presented in the above articles. Plans include upgrading runways and taxiways for larger aircraft, several new cargo facilities, and upgrades to the existing passenger terminal, as well as an anticipated 900% increase in cargo volume in 20 years.


Wow... 900% growth? That's pretty aggressive.

Someone up-thread asked if G4 might consider moving to CMH. I'm inclined to doubt it... but, I wonder if eventually the CRAA might want to use the LCK terminal space for something else and offer G4 a sweetheart deal on the various fees if they moved to CMH...? Especially once the new CMH terminal is in place...?
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:53 am

Great to see the news about CMH adding back some jetbridges to their out-of-use gates. I'm very interested as to whether this is just due to logistics/practicality (lack of open gates *in case* they are needed), or if it foreshadows an imminent announcement or in-progress negotiation about a new carrier or an existing one expanding

Also curious to get the first look at NK pax numbers for the half of Feb that they were operating. That alone will provide a nice boost all year

Top priority IMO right now for CRAA should be SFO and SEA (on anyone really, but AS would work great for both)
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:31 am

No charters coming back from Boise tonight. :D
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:40 am

DeltaRules wrote:
flyCMH wrote:
CMHMarc787 wrote:
I'm glad to hear B36 is getting a jetway, once again. I can't understand why it was removed in the first place.


Agreed on both counts. Very happy to hear it's coming back. Now, as everyone has already mentioned, jetbridges just need to come back to C48 and A1.


C48 is also due to get one this year per the RFP upthread.


Oops, I didn't read carefully enough. Thanks for the clarification; glad to hear it!
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:53 am

I find this stuff fascinating, so here's the largest type which can operate out of each gate at CMH (airline above each set):
WN-
A2-7 (guessing A7 is the second A6 parking line): 738
AA-
B19-21: 321
B22: CR9
B23: 757
B24: E90
B25: 321
B26: E90
B28: 757
UA-
B29: 753
B30: CR9/E75
B31: 753
B32: 739
B34: 767
NK-
B35: 321
Open-
B36: (unlisted)
FIS-
C46: 747
F9-
C47: 763
OneJet/Open-
C48: 73G
DL-
C49: 739
C50: 321
C51: 739
C52-53: CR9/E75
C54: 739
C55: 757
C56: 767

flyCMH wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
flyCMH wrote:

Agreed on both counts. Very happy to hear it's coming back. Now, as everyone has already mentioned, jetbridges just need to come back to C48 and A1.


C48 is also due to get one this year per the RFP upthread.


Oops, I didn't read carefully enough. Thanks for the clarification; glad to hear it!


No problem, I think it might've gotten lost in the page break.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:29 am

Thanks to an unusual taxi after landing on 28L on DL last night from ATL (all the way around B, skipping the bridge), I was able to see the jetway at B36 and it was in a kneeled position, but looks like it's almost ready to go.

Another thing I wonder about NK is that they appear to have two planes on the ground at once between 5:30-6:00am, the flight to TPA at 6am which RONs and the flight to MCO which comes in as a redeye from LAS at 5:45. Maybe that's why somebody saw an NK flight at B25 the other day.

edit- FlightAware says yes.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:42 pm

NoTime wrote:
knope2001 wrote:
NoTime wrote:

(Thanks for the numbers, cvgComair.)

Those look pretty abysmal, but I agree that EAS routes are probably low across the board (but that low?). If I remember correctly, there's also a CRJ maintenance base there... so I guess that makes the numbers a little more bearable, too.


This actually isn't horrible -- a couple of reasons why:

1. Skywest's EAS big for Clarksburg expected a 42% load factor.
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... 20736-0149

2. This is only the first month. It takes time for people to establish new travel habits. Plus in the first days of a new service loads are lighter because you don't have any people "returning" yet.

3. The actual load factor on the scheduled EAS passenger flights is likely a notch or two higher in some cases than the stats indicate. That's because the T100 stats don't differentiate between scheduled passenger flights and empty non-passenger ferry flights. Look at CKB-ORD for November. Skywest flies 1x/day from CKB to ORD which would be 30 trips in November. But the November stats show 33 flights operated, not 30. The three extra are likely empty ferry flights operated CKB-ORD due to the Skywest maintenence base the Clarksburg. Skywest routinely operates empty ferry flights to/from maintenance base cities -- just in November Skywest operated other empty ferry flights at Clarksburg to or from places such as Hartford, South Bend, and Springfield MO. When an empty ferry flight happens to run a route like CKB-SBN it shows 1 flight with 0 passengers and 50 seats. But if they happen to run an empty ferry flight CKB-ORD or CKB-IAD that 1 flight with 0 passengers and 50 seats gets rolled into the stats of the scheduled EAS flights they operate on those routes. Those seats on the empty ferry flights make the load factor of the scheduled passenger EAS service look worse than it was.

That Skywest has a maintenence base in Clarksburg makes it better for them to have the EAS passenger contract for the city -- they are likely able to rotate more aircraft into CKB without having to ferry. But even when a city with a maintenance base has plenty of scheduled Skywest flights it's still not uncommon to have to run empty ferry flights in or out. For example Skywest operates more than a dozen scheduled flights every day at Colorado Springs, but in November Skywest still operated empty ferry flights from their Colorado Springs maintenance base to BIL, LAS, MKE, OKC, OMA and SFO. Those are just the cost of doing business. If they didn't operate scheduled flights to CKB at all then all aircraft in and out of that base woudl be empty ferry flights, of course.

As for projecting only a 42% load factor there certainly are many fuller EAS routes operated with 50-seat RJ's, but it's not a total outlier. Because of lower per-seat operating cost and the ability to serve more passengers with fewer flights, a market like CKB can have a far lower per-passengers subidy with a Skywest CRJ than a 9-seat prop. Skywest's per-passenger subsidy for CKB even with only a 42% projected load factor is $104. EAS markets operated with 9-seat props tend to have anywere between $160 and $400 subsidy per passenger.


Cheers - Thanks for the insight.

flyCMH wrote:
Some pretty big news on the LCK front:

http://www.dispatch.com/business/201803 ... acker-area

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/ne ... would.html

The FAA requires airport to update master plans for 20 years into the future every 10 years; LCK's will be released tomorrow. A lot of information, though, is already presented in the above articles. Plans include upgrading runways and taxiways for larger aircraft, several new cargo facilities, and upgrades to the existing passenger terminal, as well as an anticipated 900% increase in cargo volume in 20 years.


Wow... 900% growth? That's pretty aggressive.

Someone up-thread asked if G4 might consider moving to CMH. I'm inclined to doubt it... but, I wonder if eventually the CRAA might want to use the LCK terminal space for something else and offer G4 a sweetheart deal on the various fees if they moved to CMH...? Especially once the new CMH terminal is in place...?


G4 now appears to be using both LCK gates at times, so they'll have to play with times and/or days if they want to continue to grow in the short term regardless of where they might go later. There were three departures within an hour on Monday morning, then two more almost on top of each other that afternoon.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:38 am

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G4 now appears to be using both LCK gates at times, so they'll have to play with times and/or days if they want to continue to grow in the short term regardless of where they might go later. There were three departures within an hour on Monday morning, then two more almost on top of each other that afternoon.


Never thought a discussion would ever occur about LCK running out of gate space, though it appears to be happening! Looking at the Google Maps satellite image, it appears there is a 3rd lead-in line to the left of what looks like gate 1. I wonder if it would be possible to do a hardstand operation from that line? Not sure if there is ramp access from the passenger hold area where that could be an option. Maybe it could be part of the terminal improvements mentioned in the master plan?
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:45 am

flyCMH wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
G4 now appears to be using both LCK gates at times, so they'll have to play with times and/or days if they want to continue to grow in the short term regardless of where they might go later. There were three departures within an hour on Monday morning, then two more almost on top of each other that afternoon.


Never thought a discussion would ever occur about LCK running out of gate space, though it appears to be happening! Looking at the Google Maps satellite image, it appears there is a 3rd lead-in line to the left of what looks like gate 1. I wonder if it would be possible to do a hardstand operation from that line? Not sure if there is ramp access from the passenger hold area where that could be an option. Maybe it could be part of the terminal improvements mentioned in the master plan?


When I took the first Pan Am (v3) flight from LCK in 2005 (the only time I've been there), they parked the J31 which was also there to take the higher-ups home in that general area. We were hooked up to the left jetway (I seem to remember that being 2, but who's counting? :lol: ) and I seem to remember watching them head to the plane, so I'm guessing there must be some sort of ramp-level access. I don't know if that's what the walled off area at that gate we saw in the pictures from Twitter is or if that connects to FIS.

Maybe they could use that line for overflow and board some flights using ramps if they didn't expand the terminal over?

boscmh wrote:
Great to see the news about CMH adding back some jetbridges to their out-of-use gates. I'm very interested as to whether this is just due to logistics/practicality (lack of open gates *in case* they are needed), or if it foreshadows an imminent announcement or in-progress negotiation about a new carrier or an existing one expanding

Also curious to get the first look at NK pax numbers for the half of Feb that they were operating. That alone will provide a nice boost all year

Top priority IMO right now for CRAA should be SFO and SEA (on anyone really, but AS would work great for both)


Maybe it's just based on the amount of space a plane could park without sticking into the alley, but the specific mention of parking a 73G at C48 is definitely curious since they also listed the Hawker, which is J1's weapon of choice. That's why I wondered out loud if there could be a 73G operator in the mix. SY would make sense for their casino charters, but I'd hope there would be more to it or maybe AS.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:08 pm

Pretty minor anecdotal evidence here...but my friend just got back on the SEA-CVG flight a few days ago and said it was nearly 100% full. I am glad to see that red-eye is doing so well this early in the season. I am excited to see what the LFs look like in addition to how many of those pax may be connecting.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:55 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
flyCMH wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
G4 now appears to be using both LCK gates at times, so they'll have to play with times and/or days if they want to continue to grow in the short term regardless of where they might go later. There were three departures within an hour on Monday morning, then two more almost on top of each other that afternoon.


Never thought a discussion would ever occur about LCK running out of gate space, though it appears to be happening! Looking at the Google Maps satellite image, it appears there is a 3rd lead-in line to the left of what looks like gate 1. I wonder if it would be possible to do a hardstand operation from that line? Not sure if there is ramp access from the passenger hold area where that could be an option. Maybe it could be part of the terminal improvements mentioned in the master plan?


When I took the first Pan Am (v3) flight from LCK in 2005 (the only time I've been there), they parked the J31 which was also there to take the higher-ups home in that general area. We were hooked up to the left jetway (I seem to remember that being 2, but who's counting? :lol: ) and I seem to remember watching them head to the plane, so I'm guessing there must be some sort of ramp-level access. I don't know if that's what the walled off area at that gate we saw in the pictures from Twitter is or if that connects to FIS.

Maybe they could use that line for overflow and board some flights using ramps if they didn't expand the terminal over?

boscmh wrote:
Great to see the news about CMH adding back some jetbridges to their out-of-use gates. I'm very interested as to whether this is just due to logistics/practicality (lack of open gates *in case* they are needed), or if it foreshadows an imminent announcement or in-progress negotiation about a new carrier or an existing one expanding

Also curious to get the first look at NK pax numbers for the half of Feb that they were operating. That alone will provide a nice boost all year

Top priority IMO right now for CRAA should be SFO and SEA (on anyone really, but AS would work great for both)


Maybe it's just based on the amount of space a plane could park without sticking into the alley, but the specific mention of parking a 73G at C48 is definitely curious since they also listed the Hawker, which is J1's weapon of choice. That's why I wondered out loud if there could be a 73G operator in the mix. SY would make sense for their casino charters, but I'd hope there would be more to it or maybe AS.



DeltaRules I am almost always on the side of positive guessing about new operators at CMH, but I think in this case inferring new service from the aircraft types listed on the jet bridge compatibility list may be setting up a little false hope. If I recall correctly, that list also has DC9-10, DC9-30, 737-200 and other similar types on it as well. Now, don't get me wrong, some sort of classic themed start up flying planes as old as me from a CMH base might cause me to move onto the top level of the parking garage and live in a tent just to ensure prime spotting, but I don't think that is too likely. Working for a long time in government, that looks to me like something that they just add onto once in awhile and never really update. Far more relevant would be any RFPs/RFIs on gate information systems or requirements- which would likely have to identify airlines who might need to use them. Maybe there is some value to additional aircraft types on the sheet, but I have a feeling we have seen the last of the new entrants for awhile. I hope and pray I am wrong, but unless we see some crazy growth in this year, or A2 plops down on the west side of downtown... It may be a bit. Wanting to leave on a positive note-- NK has sized up to some A320 action this week and F9 is bringing in 321s, so that should be a good sign.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:16 pm

brooklynchris13 wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
flyCMH wrote:

Never thought a discussion would ever occur about LCK running out of gate space, though it appears to be happening! Looking at the Google Maps satellite image, it appears there is a 3rd lead-in line to the left of what looks like gate 1. I wonder if it would be possible to do a hardstand operation from that line? Not sure if there is ramp access from the passenger hold area where that could be an option. Maybe it could be part of the terminal improvements mentioned in the master plan?


When I took the first Pan Am (v3) flight from LCK in 2005 (the only time I've been there), they parked the J31 which was also there to take the higher-ups home in that general area. We were hooked up to the left jetway (I seem to remember that being 2, but who's counting? :lol: ) and I seem to remember watching them head to the plane, so I'm guessing there must be some sort of ramp-level access. I don't know if that's what the walled off area at that gate we saw in the pictures from Twitter is or if that connects to FIS.

Maybe they could use that line for overflow and board some flights using ramps if they didn't expand the terminal over?

boscmh wrote:
Great to see the news about CMH adding back some jetbridges to their out-of-use gates. I'm very interested as to whether this is just due to logistics/practicality (lack of open gates *in case* they are needed), or if it foreshadows an imminent announcement or in-progress negotiation about a new carrier or an existing one expanding

Also curious to get the first look at NK pax numbers for the half of Feb that they were operating. That alone will provide a nice boost all year

Top priority IMO right now for CRAA should be SFO and SEA (on anyone really, but AS would work great for both)


Maybe it's just based on the amount of space a plane could park without sticking into the alley, but the specific mention of parking a 73G at C48 is definitely curious since they also listed the Hawker, which is J1's weapon of choice. That's why I wondered out loud if there could be a 73G operator in the mix. SY would make sense for their casino charters, but I'd hope there would be more to it or maybe AS.



DeltaRules I am almost always on the side of positive guessing about new operators at CMH, but I think in this case inferring new service from the aircraft types listed on the jet bridge compatibility list may be setting up a little false hope. If I recall correctly, that list also has DC9-10, DC9-30, 737-200 and other similar types on it as well. Now, don't get me wrong, some sort of classic themed start up flying planes as old as me from a CMH base might cause me to move onto the top level of the parking garage and live in a tent just to ensure prime spotting, but I don't think that is too likely. Working for a long time in government, that looks to me like something that they just add onto once in awhile and never really update. Far more relevant would be any RFPs/RFIs on gate information systems or requirements- which would likely have to identify airlines who might need to use them. Maybe there is some value to additional aircraft types on the sheet, but I have a feeling we have seen the last of the new entrants for awhile. I hope and pray I am wrong, but unless we see some crazy growth in this year, or A2 plops down on the west side of downtown... It may be a bit. Wanting to leave on a positive note-- NK has sized up to some A320 action this week and F9 is bringing in 321s, so that should be a good sign.


Nah, not so much meant to build up false hope as much as it is spitballing on my part. (I think it was UA that had an old line for a DC-8 at one of their gates well after they were gone.) I did also see the NK A320 upgauges which were interesting.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:40 pm

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Pretty minor anecdotal evidence here...but my friend just got back on the SEA-CVG flight a few days ago and said it was nearly 100% full. I am glad to see that red-eye is doing so well this early in the season. I am excited to see what the LFs look like in addition to how many of those pax may be connecting.


That flight is consistently full. Not sure why it took DL so long to make it year-round.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:07 pm

Looks like DHL is hiring an additional 500 workers as it grows its flight out of CVG.

Also, it looks like DHL is brining back some domestic operations to the US. Perhaps another expansion is on the horizon? It is not a coincidence that they specifically mention helping out Amazon. DHL is planning to offer 1 and 2 day shipping options, which is identical to the ops of Amazon Air’s fleet. It should be interesting to see how integrated DHL and Amazon become. https://esellercafe.com/dhl-to-try-grou ... ain-in-us/
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:37 pm

UA is resuming CVG-DEN mainline with an A319 starting June 29.

DL is resuming CVG-LGA mainline with an A320 starting June 8.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:47 pm

cvgComair wrote:
UA is resuming CVG-DEN mainline with an A319 starting June 29.

DL is resuming CVG-LGA mainline with an A320 starting June 8.


As always, thanks for the information!! How do you always find this out so quickly?
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:27 pm

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
UA is resuming CVG-DEN mainline with an A319 starting June 29.

DL is resuming CVG-LGA mainline with an A320 starting June 8.

As always, thanks for the information!! How do you always find this out so quickly?

I just put all the cities served from CVG into Google matrix and check the equipment types. All of the US3 seem to be updating their schedules on Sunday at the moment, so I run it every Sunday.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:45 pm

cvgComair wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
UA is resuming CVG-DEN mainline with an A319 starting June 29.

DL is resuming CVG-LGA mainline with an A320 starting June 8.

As always, thanks for the information!! How do you always find this out so quickly?

I just put all the cities served from CVG into Google matrix and check the equipment types. All of the US3 seem to be updating their schedules on Sunday at the moment, so I run it every Sunday.


Ah, thank you!
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:49 pm

NK's CMH-MYR and MSY flights are under way. There's about a three week window where all 7 flights will operate before TPA and RSW drop for the season.

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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:56 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
NK's CMH-MYR and MSY flights are under way. There's about a three week window where all 7 flights will operate before TPA and RSW drop for the season.

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I've began to look into it more, and I say lets wait until July to see how the routes are performing, because if they perform well I expect good things not only out of CMH, but similar markets as well.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:55 am

NK's schedule on Saturdays and Sundays are nice and streamlined- the flights to TPA, MCO, FLL, RSW, and LAS are all at the same times (which shouldn't come as a terrible surprise at all), but they're also using a 1:15pm departure time as well which serves MYR on Saturday and MSY on Sunday. I'd imagine that makes it easy for the ground staff to know a flight will be at that time even if the destination is different.

And, as brooklynchris13 mentioned, CMH is seeing some upgauges to A320s to MCO, LAS, and RSW (depending on the day).

flymco753 wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
NK's CMH-MYR and MSY flights are under way. There's about a three week window where all 7 flights will operate before TPA and RSW drop for the season.

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I've began to look into it more, and I say lets wait until July to see how the routes are performing, because if they perform well I expect good things not only out of CMH, but similar markets as well.


Similar as in new or existing markets (or both)?

We should know more about February in the next few days. Last month's stats were released on 2-27.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:21 am

DeltaRules wrote:
NK's schedule on Saturdays and Sundays are nice and streamlined- the flights to TPA, MCO, FLL, RSW, and LAS are all at the same times (which shouldn't come as a terrible surprise at all), but they're also using a 1:15pm departure time as well which serves MYR on Saturday and MSY on Sunday. I'd imagine that makes it easy for the ground staff to know a flight will be at that time even if the destination is different.

And, as brooklynchris13 mentioned, CMH is seeing some upgauges to A320s to MCO, LAS, and RSW (depending on the day).

flymco753 wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
NK's CMH-MYR and MSY flights are under way. There's about a three week window where all 7 flights will operate before TPA and RSW drop for the season.

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I've began to look into it more, and I say lets wait until July to see how the routes are performing, because if they perform well I expect good things not only out of CMH, but similar markets as well.


Similar as in new or existing markets (or both)?

We should know more about February in the next few days. Last month's stats were released on 2-27.
Both, CMH is a lot like PIT for NK, if CMH works then they might not have a problem getting into IND, MKE and GRR. While these medium sized stations aren't going to be like DTW, FLL or LAS, there is opportunity for them to expand into markets like CMH-IAH, DFW and LAX while starting new markets like IND and perhaps BNA, SAT, and RDU. I still think NK should be in SLC with the relatively low cost per enplanement.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:38 am

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UA is resuming CVG-DEN mainline with an A319 starting June 29.

DL is resuming CVG-LGA mainline with an A320 starting June 8.


Surprising that the A320 is scheduled for such a late departure. I would think that it would be the first or second flight out each day.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:44 am

cvgComair wrote:
UA is resuming CVG-DEN mainline with an A319 starting June 29.

DL is resuming CVG-LGA mainline with an A320 starting June 8.


Year round or just seasonal?
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:52 am

WWads wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
UA is resuming CVG-DEN mainline with an A319 starting June 29.

DL is resuming CVG-LGA mainline with an A320 starting June 8.


Surprising that the A320 is scheduled for such a late departure. I would think that it would be the first or second flight out each day.


Well if you are flying LGA-CVG-LGA it is the first and last flight of the day

ADrum23 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
UA is resuming CVG-DEN mainline with an A319 starting June 29.

DL is resuming CVG-LGA mainline with an A320 starting June 8.


Year round or just seasonal?


Seasonal for now, but CVG-DEN/ORD also gets the A320 Aug 21st-Oct 3rd
2018: ATL, BOS, CDG, DCA, DFW, DTW, EWR, HPN, JFK, IAD, IAH, IND, LAX, LGA, LHR, MIA, MSP, ORD, PHL, SAN, SJD, SLC, SFO, TPA, ZRH....Loading....
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:33 am

Midwestindy wrote:
WWads wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
UA is resuming CVG-DEN mainline with an A319 starting June 29.

DL is resuming CVG-LGA mainline with an A320 starting June 8.


Surprising that the A320 is scheduled for such a late departure. I would think that it would be the first or second flight out each day.


Well if you are flying LGA-CVG-LGA it is the first and last flight of the day

ADrum23 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
UA is resuming CVG-DEN mainline with an A319 starting June 29.

DL is resuming CVG-LGA mainline with an A320 starting June 8.


Year round or just seasonal?


Seasonal for now, but CVG-DEN/ORD also gets the A320 Aug 21st-Oct 3rd



I heard SFO on United is dropping to weekdays only, anyone know anything about this?
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:53 am

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
WWads wrote:

Surprising that the A320 is scheduled for such a late departure. I would think that it would be the first or second flight out each day.


Well if you are flying LGA-CVG-LGA it is the first and last flight of the day

ADrum23 wrote:

Year round or just seasonal?


Seasonal for now, but CVG-DEN/ORD also gets the A320 Aug 21st-Oct 3rd



I heard SFO on United is dropping to weekdays only, anyone know anything about this?

Yes, it is 5x/wk for May and 6x/wk for June/July/Aug. Kind of surprising given the strong loads.

This morning the security line is out the door at CVG. They followed precheck procedures for all passengers. I didn't know they could do this, but it sure helped make security quick. Does anyone know what the rules on this are/if it will become more common in the future?
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:19 pm

This is becoming a regular occurrence:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CAL5282

Think it might become scheduled?
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380,D93,M88,M90,M11,F100,B11,L10,146,CR1/CR2/CR7/CR9,E35/40/45/70/75/90,EM2,SF3,ATR,AT7,J41,DH1/3/4
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:04 pm

Here's hoping! LCK has shown tremendous international cargo growth, I hope it can continue. Existing carriers have added frequency, but it would be great to see China Airlines enter regular scheduled service as well
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:17 am

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
As always, thanks for the information!! How do you always find this out so quickly?

I just put all the cities served from CVG into Google matrix and check the equipment types. All of the US3 seem to be updating their schedules on Sunday at the moment, so I run it every Sunday.


Ah, thank you!

This is what I enter to check mainline vs regional, find new routes, and track frequency changes. This could easily be implemented for other airports by changing the list of destinations and/or aircraft types (using IATA codes). Not sure if it would be helpful to anyone, but I thought I would at least share it.
https://matrix.itasoftware.com
------------------------------------------------------
One-way

Departing from
“CVG”

Routing codes
“N”

Extension codes
Regional: “aircraft t:ERJ t:E70 t:E75 t:CRJ; nocodeshare”

Mainline: “aircraft t:E90 t:E95 t:32s t:330 t:350 t:CS1 t:CS3 t:717 t:737 t:757 t:767 t:777 t:787 t:M80 t:M81 t:M82 t:M83 t:M87 t:M88 t:M90; nocodeshare”

Destination
“ALB,AMS,ATL,AUS,AZA,BDL,BKG,BNA,BOS,BUF,BWI,CAK,CDG,CHS,CLE,CLT,CMH,CUN,CUN,CZM,DAB,DAL,DAY,DCA,DEN,DFW,DTW,EVV,EWR,FLL,FLL,FPO,FRA,GCM,GDL,GRR,GSO,GSP,HOU,IAD,IAH,IND,JAX,JFK,KEF,LAS,LAX,LEX,LGA,LHR,MBJ,MCI,MCO,MDT,MDW,MEM,MEX,MIA,MKE,MSN,MSP,MSY,MYR,NAS,OAK,OMA,ONT,ORD,PDX,PGD,PHL,PHX,PIE,PIT,PUJ,PVD,PVR,RDU,RIC,RSW,SAN,SAT,SAV,SDF,SEA,SFB,SFO,SJC,SJD,SJO,SJU,SLC,SRQ,STL,SXM,SYR,TLH,TPA,TYS,VPS,XNA,YYZ”

Stops
Nonstop only

Extra Stops
No extra stops
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:22 am

cvgComair wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
I just put all the cities served from CVG into Google matrix and check the equipment types. All of the US3 seem to be updating their schedules on Sunday at the moment, so I run it every Sunday.


Ah, thank you!

This is what I enter to check mainline vs regional, find new routes, and track frequency changes. This could easily be implemented for other airports by changing the list of destinations and/or aircraft types (using IATA codes). Not sure if it would be helpful to anyone, but I thought I would at least share it.
https://matrix.itasoftware.com
------------------------------------------------------
One-way

Departing from
“CVG”

Routing codes
“N”

Extension codes
Regional: “aircraft t:ERJ t:E70 t:E75 t:CRJ; nocodeshare”

Mainline: “aircraft t:E90 t:E95 t:32s t:330 t:350 t:CS1 t:CS3 t:717 t:737 t:757 t:767 t:777 t:787 t:M80 t:M81 t:M82 t:M83 t:M87 t:M88 t:M90; nocodeshare”

Destination
“ALB,AMS,ATL,AUS,AZA,BDL,BKG,BNA,BOS,BUF,BWI,CAK,CDG,CHS,CLE,CLT,CMH,CUN,CUN,CZM,DAB,DAL,DAY,DCA,DEN,DFW,DTW,EVV,EWR,FLL,FLL,FPO,FRA,GCM,GDL,GRR,GSO,GSP,HOU,IAD,IAH,IND,JAX,JFK,KEF,LAS,LAX,LEX,LGA,LHR,MBJ,MCI,MCO,MDT,MDW,MEM,MEX,MIA,MKE,MSN,MSP,MSY,MYR,NAS,OAK,OMA,ONT,ORD,PDX,PGD,PHL,PHX,PIE,PIT,PUJ,PVD,PVR,RDU,RIC,RSW,SAN,SAT,SAV,SDF,SEA,SFB,SFO,SJC,SJD,SJO,SJU,SLC,SRQ,STL,SXM,SYR,TLH,TPA,TYS,VPS,XNA,YYZ”

Stops
Nonstop only

Extra Stops
No extra stops


Interesting, thanks for sharing
2018: ATL, BOS, CDG, DCA, DFW, DTW, EWR, HPN, JFK, IAD, IAH, IND, LAX, LGA, LHR, MIA, MSP, ORD, PHL, SAN, SJD, SLC, SFO, TPA, ZRH....Loading....
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:29 am

flyCMH wrote:
This is becoming a regular occurrence:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CAL5282

Think it might become scheduled?
We can hope. EY recently went from 2 to 3 weekly. Maybe CI (or whoever's behind the service) will see a similar opportunity.
A310/319/320/321/333, ARJ, BN2, B722/73S/733/734/735/73G/738/739/744/757/753/767/763/764/777, CR1/2/7/9, DH6, 328, EM2/ERJ/E70/E75/E90, F28/100, J31, L10/12/15, DC9/D93/D94/D95/M80/M88/M90/D10, SF3, SST
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:31 am

Speaking of LCK, it looks like there are two EY flights tomorrow- one which comes in from HHN and goes back out to EMA, while the other arrives from ANC and continues to MIA.

cvgComair wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
I just put all the cities served from CVG into Google matrix and check the equipment types. All of the US3 seem to be updating their schedules on Sunday at the moment, so I run it every Sunday.


Ah, thank you!

This is what I enter to check mainline vs regional, find new routes, and track frequency changes. This could easily be implemented for other airports by changing the list of destinations and/or aircraft types (using IATA codes). Not sure if it would be helpful to anyone, but I thought I would at least share it.
https://matrix.itasoftware.com
------------------------------------------------------
One-way

Departing from
“CVG”

Routing codes
“N”

Extension codes
Regional: “aircraft t:ERJ t:E70 t:E75 t:CRJ; nocodeshare”

Mainline: “aircraft t:E90 t:E95 t:32s t:330 t:350 t:CS1 t:CS3 t:717 t:737 t:757 t:767 t:777 t:787 t:M80 t:M81 t:M82 t:M83 t:M87 t:M88 t:M90; nocodeshare”

Destination
“ALB,AMS,ATL,AUS,AZA,BDL,BKG,BNA,BOS,BUF,BWI,CAK,CDG,CHS,CLE,CLT,CMH,CUN,CUN,CZM,DAB,DAL,DAY,DCA,DEN,DFW,DTW,EVV,EWR,FLL,FLL,FPO,FRA,GCM,GDL,GRR,GSO,GSP,HOU,IAD,IAH,IND,JAX,JFK,KEF,LAS,LAX,LEX,LGA,LHR,MBJ,MCI,MCO,MDT,MDW,MEM,MEX,MIA,MKE,MSN,MSP,MSY,MYR,NAS,OAK,OMA,ONT,ORD,PDX,PGD,PHL,PHX,PIE,PIT,PUJ,PVD,PVR,RDU,RIC,RSW,SAN,SAT,SAV,SDF,SEA,SFB,SFO,SJC,SJD,SJO,SJU,SLC,SRQ,STL,SXM,SYR,TLH,TPA,TYS,VPS,XNA,YYZ”

Stops
Nonstop only

Extra Stops
No extra stops


Do you keep the quotes or remove them? I must be doing it wrong.
A310/319/320/321/333, ARJ, BN2, B722/73S/733/734/735/73G/738/739/744/757/753/767/763/764/777, CR1/2/7/9, DH6, 328, EM2/ERJ/E70/E75/E90, F28/100, J31, L10/12/15, DC9/D93/D94/D95/M80/M88/M90/D10, SF3, SST
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:36 am

cvgComair wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
I just put all the cities served from CVG into Google matrix and check the equipment types. All of the US3 seem to be updating their schedules on Sunday at the moment, so I run it every Sunday.


Ah, thank you!

This is what I enter to check mainline vs regional, find new routes, and track frequency changes. This could easily be implemented for other airports by changing the list of destinations and/or aircraft types (using IATA codes). Not sure if it would be helpful to anyone, but I thought I would at least share it.
https://matrix.itasoftware.com
------------------------------------------------------
One-way

Departing from
“CVG”

Routing codes
“N”

Extension codes
Regional: “aircraft t:ERJ t:E70 t:E75 t:CRJ; nocodeshare”

Mainline: “aircraft t:E90 t:E95 t:32s t:330 t:350 t:CS1 t:CS3 t:717 t:737 t:757 t:767 t:777 t:787 t:M80 t:M81 t:M82 t:M83 t:M87 t:M88 t:M90; nocodeshare”

Destination
“ALB,AMS,ATL,AUS,AZA,BDL,BKG,BNA,BOS,BUF,BWI,CAK,CDG,CHS,CLE,CLT,CMH,CUN,CUN,CZM,DAB,DAL,DAY,DCA,DEN,DFW,DTW,EVV,EWR,FLL,FLL,FPO,FRA,GCM,GDL,GRR,GSO,GSP,HOU,IAD,IAH,IND,JAX,JFK,KEF,LAS,LAX,LEX,LGA,LHR,MBJ,MCI,MCO,MDT,MDW,MEM,MEX,MIA,MKE,MSN,MSP,MSY,MYR,NAS,OAK,OMA,ONT,ORD,PDX,PGD,PHL,PHX,PIE,PIT,PUJ,PVD,PVR,RDU,RIC,RSW,SAN,SAT,SAV,SDF,SEA,SFB,SFO,SJC,SJD,SJO,SJU,SLC,SRQ,STL,SXM,SYR,TLH,TPA,TYS,VPS,XNA,YYZ”

Stops
Nonstop only

Extra Stops
No extra stops


Thanks! I did notice while trying it that allegiant does not show.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:37 am

DeltaRules wrote:
Speaking of LCK, it looks like there are two EY flights tomorrow- one which comes in from HHN and goes back out to EMA, while the other arrives from ANC and continues to MIA.

cvgComair wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:

Ah, thank you!

This is what I enter to check mainline vs regional, find new routes, and track frequency changes. This could easily be implemented for other airports by changing the list of destinations and/or aircraft types (using IATA codes). Not sure if it would be helpful to anyone, but I thought I would at least share it.
https://matrix.itasoftware.com
------------------------------------------------------
One-way

Departing from
“CVG”

Routing codes
“N”

Extension codes
Regional: “aircraft t:ERJ t:E70 t:E75 t:CRJ; nocodeshare”

Mainline: “aircraft t:E90 t:E95 t:32s t:330 t:350 t:CS1 t:CS3 t:717 t:737 t:757 t:767 t:777 t:787 t:M80 t:M81 t:M82 t:M83 t:M87 t:M88 t:M90; nocodeshare”

Destination
“ALB,AMS,ATL,AUS,AZA,BDL,BKG,BNA,BOS,BUF,BWI,CAK,CDG,CHS,CLE,CLT,CMH,CUN,CUN,CZM,DAB,DAL,DAY,DCA,DEN,DFW,DTW,EVV,EWR,FLL,FLL,FPO,FRA,GCM,GDL,GRR,GSO,GSP,HOU,IAD,IAH,IND,JAX,JFK,KEF,LAS,LAX,LEX,LGA,LHR,MBJ,MCI,MCO,MDT,MDW,MEM,MEX,MIA,MKE,MSN,MSP,MSY,MYR,NAS,OAK,OMA,ONT,ORD,PDX,PGD,PHL,PHX,PIE,PIT,PUJ,PVD,PVR,RDU,RIC,RSW,SAN,SAT,SAV,SDF,SEA,SFB,SFO,SJC,SJD,SJO,SJU,SLC,SRQ,STL,SXM,SYR,TLH,TPA,TYS,VPS,XNA,YYZ”

Stops
Nonstop only

Extra Stops
No extra stops


Do you keep the quotes or remove them? I must be doing it wrong.


Remove.
 
Briancw
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:27 pm

Cvgspotter15 wrote:

Thanks! I did notice while trying it that allegiant does not show.


ITA Matrix doesn't show all airlines. The notable ones excluded in the States are SW & Allegiant. Many smaller airlines likely won't show either (OneJet, for example); however, the power of Matrix is still fantastic. It's used quite extensively by the travel hacking community b/c of its abilities. Lots of ways to piece together a particular route, on a certain airline, with a certain aircraft (amongst others).

You can't book fares from Matrix, though, and it is difficult to get OTAs to price out what you may find. If anyone is interested, there are two options to do so. One is a chrome extension, Matrix Power tools: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/travel- ... lx-tk.html The other is this site: https://bookwithmatrix.com/

If anyone is interested, FlyerTalk has extensive threads on how to work ITA.

One other tidbit is that ITA doesn't show all fares - any unpublished or bulk consolidator fares won't be in the result set.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:49 pm

Wow so this is promising,

"Though Spirit Airlines only launched at John Glenn Columbus International Airport mid-month, its passenger numbers helped the airport see a 7.9 percent surge in passengers in February.

Spirit’s 13,786 passengers for the month more than made up for Frontier Airlines’ flight cuts. Every other airline saw at least a 5 percent increase in passengers year-over-year.

Data released Tuesday also showed a strong increase in passengers at Rickenbacker Airport, where Allegiant Air is the only regularly scheduled carrier. Allegiant had a 34.8 percent increase in passengers to 17,930 as it added flights."

http://www.dispatch.com/business/20180327/spirit-airlines-new-service-boosts-passenger-totals-at-john-glenn-airport
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:17 am

boscmh wrote:
Wow so this is promising,

"Though Spirit Airlines only launched at John Glenn Columbus International Airport mid-month, its passenger numbers helped the airport see a 7.9 percent surge in passengers in February.

Spirit’s 13,786 passengers for the month more than made up for Frontier Airlines’ flight cuts. Every other airline saw at least a 5 percent increase in passengers year-over-year.

Data released Tuesday also showed a strong increase in passengers at Rickenbacker Airport, where Allegiant Air is the only regularly scheduled carrier. Allegiant had a 34.8 percent increase in passengers to 17,930 as it added flights."

http://www.dispatch.com/business/20180327/spirit-airlines-new-service-boosts-passenger-totals-at-john-glenn-airport


Very unofficial math would indicate around 26-27,000 passengers for a full month given NK started right in the middle of February. I'd be curious to see where that lands them across the rest of the field.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:36 am

DeltaRules wrote:
boscmh wrote:
Wow so this is promising,

"Though Spirit Airlines only launched at John Glenn Columbus International Airport mid-month, its passenger numbers helped the airport see a 7.9 percent surge in passengers in February.

Spirit’s 13,786 passengers for the month more than made up for Frontier Airlines’ flight cuts. Every other airline saw at least a 5 percent increase in passengers year-over-year.

Data released Tuesday also showed a strong increase in passengers at Rickenbacker Airport, where Allegiant Air is the only regularly scheduled carrier. Allegiant had a 34.8 percent increase in passengers to 17,930 as it added flights."

http://www.dispatch.com/business/20180327/spirit-airlines-new-service-boosts-passenger-totals-at-john-glenn-airport


Very unofficial math would indicate around 26-27,000 passengers for a full month given NK started right in the middle of February. I'd be curious to see where that lands them across the rest of the field.
I don’t mean to compare apples and oranges but DTW’s 1% growth last year was largely contributed by NK’s growth. A few years ago they only had like 8 or 7% of the market and now is expected to exceed 15%, so NK can do great things for certain markets.
Whether you call Central Florida home, or your favorite travel destination, we hope that you’ll return soon! Have a pleasant flight.

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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:09 am

3rd quarter data is out, pretty impressive PDEW growth YOY at CVG.

The top gains YOY were:
1. Chicago, +214
2. Washington D.C., +205
3. New York, +184
4. San Francisco, +126
5. Los Angeles, +78
6. San Diego, +68

Top PDEW markets:
1. New York, 666
2. Washington D.C., 469
3. Chicago, 425
4. Los Angeles, 409
5. Denver, 379
6. Las Vegas, 352
7. San Francisco, 343
8. Dallas/Fort Worth, 313
9. Miami/Fort Lauderdale, 273
10. Boston, 262

Top unserved/seasonally served markets:
1. San Diego, 131
2. Portland, 82
3. Myrtle Beach, 37
4. San Antonio, 36
5. Norfolk, 31
6. Sacramento, 30
6. Memphis, 30
8. Charleston, 28
9. Omaha, 23
10. Portland (ME), 22
10. Albuquerque, 22
10. West Palm Beach, 22

Top decreases in airfare for nonstop markets:
1. Minneapolis/St. Paul, -$126.51
2. San Diego, -$118.85
3. Chicago, -$102.76
4. Raleigh/Durham, -$93.92
5. Detroit, -$92.95
6. Milwaukee, -$82.28
7. New York City, -$82.21
8. Nashville, -$75.97
9. San Francisco, -$73.20
10. Washington DC, -$68.23

Most expensive nonstop markets:
1. Fayetteville, $372.17
2. Detroit, $356.33
3. Seattle, $294.55
4. Nashville, $284.16
5. Salt Lake City, $280.74
6. Boston, $276.36
7. Kansas City, $264.01
8. Hartford, $260.34
9. St. Louis, $259.48
10. Milwaukee, $243.39

By adding PDX, DL now serves the top 20 markets from CVG (as they said earlier, this is probably what they based that stat off of). I think by next summer, SAN and PDX should grow enough for DL to take on both routes at least seasonally (or perhaps F9 to PDX). SAN more than doubled with a new PDEW value of 131, while PDX grew to 82. Besides those two, JAX/MSY are next in line and I would expect these to come for 2019 spring.

Looking at future growth, ORF has been growing pretty steadily to a PDEW of 31, perhaps DL or G4 could try this route? SAT has a PDEW of 36, after F9 stimulates the route, I bet it would be a strong add for DL on a CRJ-700.

Here is the complete list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:53 am

cvgComair wrote:
3rd quarter data is out, pretty impressive PDEW growth YOY at CVG.

Top decreases in airfare for nonstop markets:
1. Minneapolis/St. Paul, -$126.51
2. San Diego, -$118.85
3. Chicago, -$102.76
4. Raleigh/Durham, -$93.92
5. Detroit, -$92.95
6. Milwaukee, -$82.28
7. New York City, -$82.21
8. Nashville, -$75.97
9. San Francisco, -$73.20
10. Washington DC, -$68.23


By adding PDX, DL now serves the top 20 markets from CVG (as they said earlier, this is probably what they based that stat off of). I think by next summer, SAN and PDX should grow enough for DL to take on both routes at least seasonally (or perhaps F9 to PDX). SAN more than doubled with a new PDEW value of 131, while PDX grew to 82. Besides those two, JAX/MSY are next in line and I would expect these to come for 2019 spring.

Looking at future growth, ORF has been growing pretty steadily to a PDEW of 31, perhaps DL or G4 could try this route? SAT has a PDEW of 36, after F9 stimulates the route, I bet it would be a strong add for DL on a CRJ-700.

Here is the complete list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing


Those are some insane price drops, basically every market saw a significant drop in avg fare, which is great for CVG based fliers.
2018: ATL, BOS, CDG, DCA, DFW, DTW, EWR, HPN, JFK, IAD, IAH, IND, LAX, LGA, LHR, MIA, MSP, ORD, PHL, SAN, SJD, SLC, SFO, TPA, ZRH....Loading....
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:50 am

February board minutes for CRAA have posted. The overall thoroughness & depth of Nardone's "President & CEO Report" commentary is great. Plenty of context and details about passenger service, numbers, & destinations.

SEA, SFO, & European Hub service were mentioned in the minutes as our top priorities for new air service, as well (no surprise).

Link: https://columbusairports.com/storage/pr ... -27-18.pdf
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:24 pm

cvgComair wrote:
3rd quarter data is out, pretty impressive PDEW growth YOY at CVG.

The top gains YOY were:
6. San Diego, +68

Top unserved/seasonally served markets:
1. San Diego, 131
2. Portland, 82
6. Sacramento, 30
10. Albuquerque, 22

By adding PDX, DL now serves the top 20 markets from CVG (as they said earlier, this is probably what they based that stat off of). I think by next summer, SAN and PDX should grow enough for DL to take on both routes at least seasonally (or perhaps F9 to PDX). SAN more than doubled with a new PDEW value of 131, while PDX grew to 82. Besides those two, JAX/MSY are next in line and I would expect these to come for 2019 spring.

Looking at future growth, ORF has been growing pretty steadily to a PDEW of 31, perhaps DL or G4 could try this route? SAT has a PDEW of 36, after F9 stimulates the route, I bet it would be a strong add for DL on a CRJ-700.

Here is the complete list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing


WN can connect passengers to SAN, PDX, SMF, and ABQ from CVG through MDW, and WN will also be able to connect passengers to these 4 destinations from CVG through DEN when it starts CVG-DEN nonstop service in August 2018. In addition, WN can do one-stop direct flights without no change of planes between CVG and SAN with a stop at an intermediate point. WN also has over 50% market share at SMF and ABQ, and WN also has its 12th largest focus city at SAN (after MDW, BWI, LAS, DEN, DAL, PHX, HOU, LAX, ATL, and MCO).

AS could add nonstop service to SEA, PDX, and SAN if it enters the CVG market. CVG is in the 2nd largest U.S. metropolitan area (after CLT) that is not currently served by AS. AS is also much bigger than DL is at both SEA and PDX, even with DL having a hub and significant market share at SEA. AS's SEA hub is bigger than any of WN's focus cities, and AS's SEA hub is also the largest non-US3 hub in the U.S.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:11 pm

Briancw wrote:
February board minutes for CRAA have posted. The overall thoroughness & depth of Nardone's "President & CEO Report" commentary is great. Plenty of context and details about passenger service, numbers, & destinations.

SEA, SFO, & European Hub service were mentioned in the minutes as our top priorities for new air service, as well (no surprise).

Link: https://columbusairports.com/storage/pr ... -27-18.pdf


I like how we're getting specifics now as opposed to "Well, we'd like to continue expanding and that might happen to places on airlines somewhere in the future" and that all three are said to be goals for this year.

I'd also like to get a look at that 2018 Community Report. Might be some good stuff in there regarding incentives and the general plan of attack for growth.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:48 pm

...amazing what happens when I just plug certain keywords into the Google machine ;). Page 11 (slide 6) has goodies on future service (they also list SAN and SLC as targets, as well as a much less likely TPAC flight): https://newshub.columbusairports.com/st ... -next1.pdf

Cargo talk begins on Slide 14. There's also reference to "maximizing the existing (CMH) terminal" from now into the 2020s, which they might have to do if they want to grow much more.

OneJet averaged ~4.65 PDEW on its MKE flights in January.
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