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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:08 pm

Briancw wrote:
CRAA January meeting minutes have been posted.

Of note, I was glad to see this quote from the new CEO: "Elaine Roberts was a successful leader at CRAA and we will continue to build on those successes; however, my leadership style will be different".

And glad to see the President & CEO Report is much more thorough.

Link: https://columbusairports.com/storage/pr ... -23-18.pdf


Transatlantic opportunities –
Reviewing:
oDemand and incentive programs
oCompetitive environment
oStrategies around revenue guarantee support


I think that's the first time I've seen mention of incentives and revenue programs in minutes. The Air Service and Customer Experience Committee is where the fun stuff lies, which is why it's a shame they only meet quarterly.

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papatango wrote:
Seems like CMH is the ugly stepchild!


This route has always been temperamental. It took DL forever to start it the first time and they never seemed to do well once it did. If they pick it back up, I would think it means business traffic is picking back up between CMH-West Coast. I think they see that potential in CLE.

As far ticket counter space for a new airline, shouldn't there be some between American and Frontier; and United and Southwest? The check-in lobby renovation seemed to make things pretty spacious.


AA goes from the F9 counter all the way to the hall leading to B. NK is between AC and WN. The lobby goes like this (L to R, repeats are to demonstrate space used):
DL DL DL J1 (gap) F9 F9 AA AA AA AA (hall to B) UA UA UA UA AC NK NK Charters WN WN WN.

AA and UA probably have too much space.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:08 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
papatango wrote:
Seems like CMH is the ugly stepchild!


There's an irritating black hole developing in the space between IND, PIT, CVG, CLE, and DTW, but the difference is I have more faith DL will start SLC as compared to UA and SFO. It seems to me that CLE and PIT-SLC were pulled the last time around the time CMH-SLC went, so maybe they're building back in.


Agreed. Between UA-SFO, DL-SLC, and even AS-SEA, it's getting really annoying to get constantly passed up for new service, especially given the growth happening in Central Ohio.

DeltaRules wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
Still no additional mainline on AA out of CVG. You'd have thought they'd throw an A319 or two on CVG-CLT by now.


I admittedly haven't looked at the CVG-CLT schedules, but if it's anything like it is 115 miles to the Northeast, you'll be all-RJ as long as you've got the PSA maintenance facility there. Other than an oddball A319 flight on CMH-CLT in the fall of 2011 (IIRC), there hasn't been regular mainline on the route since the mid 2000s. All of it was replaced by mostly RP (MX base) with some flights operated by YV and OH at times on -900s.


For the July schedule change, it looks like 2 CMH-DFW frequencies go to 738s. CMH-ORD looses a frequency, but CMH-PHL gets an additional one in return. If aircraft types remain the same, CMH-CLT stubbornly remains all E75/CR9 and CMH-MIA looses an E75 to be 3x ER4, unfortunately.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:47 pm

I wonder how much of WW and/or FI's disinterest in starting CMH (at the time) had to do with the city not being a "name brand" outside the US. None of the cities in the Midwest are particularly flashy, but I feel like there's probably some more name recognition to a Cleveland, Pittsburgh, or St. Louis than there might be for Columbus at this point, which is a stigma they're still shaking. I was surprised both decided to start CLE whereas one could've had CMH all to themselves.

Granted, not opening the wallet (at least yet) or having a magic money tree on property didn't help things, but I wonder if "Columbus=Cowtown" is still a detriment.

I'd genuinely like to know how Nardone's style differs from Roberts'. More aggressive, maybe? He sealed the deal on NK building a big new hangar at DTW.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:54 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
I'd genuinely like to know how Nardone's style differs from Roberts'. More aggressive, maybe? He sealed the deal on NK building a big new hangar at DTW.
That was a big deal because now DTW handles INDOC on new aircraft from BFM and HAM. After the hangar, Spirit has been consistently adding an average of 3 routes per year and an average of 3 additional flights. This is what is going to keep driving Spirit at DTW fueled by passenger loyalty. Think about that but put that in CMH's position and analyze what the CMH market could look like in 10 years.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:08 pm

flyCMH wrote:

This is fantastic news. American really seems to be managing the market well and making it work for them. Hopefully paced expansion can continue with DFW or NYC added in the somewhat near future. In the meantime, I'm really happy with this service expansion - hopefully CLT will also continue to see ad-hoc upgauges as well.

In other TOL aviation news, it looks like local governments and authorities are putting together ideas and investigating opportunities to develop the south side of the airfield:

http://www.toledoblade.com/business/201 ... model.html


Don't know if DFW would happen again mainly with the plane crunch at AA at the regional level. I've been told that shorter hops are better because the airline can get more flights out of the plane instead of tying them up for so long. That being said, I would like to see a third to CLT and if that works then maybe move into the PHL market. I really like the schedule that ERI has with the two turns. We shall see how the CR7s work out this summer.

As for the article, I think Aerotropolis is overblown but the Port has been working on plans for Express Industrial Park and are kicking around the idea of putting up a spec building there. I really do like the fact that Tronair took over the old BX/BAX facility. At least an aviation company is utilizing the space.

In my opinion, the airport itself needs some major investment now the runways and taxiways are all rehabbed. There's currently a hangar crunch out there and some hangars are too small for larger equipment as well as very outdated ones. Not to mention the terminal is on it's last leg. With Tronair in that facility and I believe the bonds on that facility are to be retired in 2019 so maybe we will see some investment announced late this year. Hasn't been much talk of it in the meetings I have attended.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:57 am

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Flew out of C yesterday at CMH:
-Vacation Express has moved to C46- the info boards had a flight from CUN arriving there. I figure they're departing from there now, too because I think F9 has a RON.
-F9 has set up shop at C47 with branding on the podium and walls, but no form of display (electronic or old-school) for flight info.
-OneJet now has a sort-of awkwardly placed podium next to the door between the seating area and Starbucks, which I figure accesses the ramp for boarding at "C48" (actual C48 is right next to C47 with no jetway).
-DL had a CRJ on a hardstand between 48 and 49 (which I'd never seen before), as well as an E170 waiting for a flight with a number in the 9000s at C49, so I'm guessing they're claiming that for their own.


Also flew out of C this afternoon and noticed much of the above. F9 had 3 aircraft at CMH at the same time today: a flight to TPA (320NEO) and one to DEN and RSW (both 319s, the latter flight was 5 hrs late!). Watching the DEN flight board, it seemed pretty full with RSW looking about 3/4 full. OneJet was also boarding at the time and took a full load of 5 up to MKE. My E75 to JFK on DL Connection was about half full.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:04 am

regarding the CRAA monthly report, this little nugget was/is interesting:
"RESOLUTION #03-18 AUTHORIZING AN INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF $729,788.84 TO THE MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH AMERIBRIDGE, LLC FOR THE PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION OF PASSENGER BOARDING BRIDGES AT JOHN GLENN COLUMBUS INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT."
I have learned to not overthink the way these are written and I do not know how much a jet bridge costs, but could this be 1, 2, 3? Maybe they will finally fill in the gaps-- B36, A1, and ??. Maybe we have someone who can figure out if that is what these are for or if they are replacements?
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:23 pm

flyCMH wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
Flew out of C yesterday at CMH:
-Vacation Express has moved to C46- the info boards had a flight from CUN arriving there. I figure they're departing from there now, too because I think F9 has a RON.
-F9 has set up shop at C47 with branding on the podium and walls, but no form of display (electronic or old-school) for flight info.
-OneJet now has a sort-of awkwardly placed podium next to the door between the seating area and Starbucks, which I figure accesses the ramp for boarding at "C48" (actual C48 is right next to C47 with no jetway).
-DL had a CRJ on a hardstand between 48 and 49 (which I'd never seen before), as well as an E170 waiting for a flight with a number in the 9000s at C49, so I'm guessing they're claiming that for their own.


Also flew out of C this afternoon and noticed much of the above. F9 had 3 aircraft at CMH at the same time today: a flight to TPA (320NEO) and one to DEN and RSW (both 319s, the latter flight was 5 hrs late!). Watching the DEN flight board, it seemed pretty full with RSW looking about 3/4 full. OneJet was also boarding at the time and took a full load of 5 up to MKE. My E75 to JFK on DL Connection was about half full.


I wondered how the E75 to JFK would do seeing as they've largely run that with 50 seaters over the years.

brooklynchris13 wrote:
regarding the CRAA monthly report, this little nugget was/is interesting:
"RESOLUTION #03-18 AUTHORIZING AN INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF $729,788.84 TO THE MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH AMERIBRIDGE, LLC FOR THE PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION OF PASSENGER BOARDING BRIDGES AT JOHN GLENN COLUMBUS INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT."
I have learned to not overthink the way these are written and I do not know how much a jet bridge costs, but could this be 1, 2, 3? Maybe they will finally fill in the gaps-- B36, A1, and ??. Maybe we have someone who can figure out if that is what these are for or if they are replacements?


A1, B36, C48 and, if somebody were really thinking outside the box, a double B32/33 (as I think you suggested in the last thread). I wonder how many jetways that money could by.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:20 pm

DeltaRules wrote:

A1, B36, C48 and, if somebody were really thinking outside the box, a double B32/33 (as I think you suggested in the last thread). I wonder how many jetways that money could by.


A1, B36 and C48 should be a given. Instead of a double B32/33, I'd suggest a double B33/34, then add a door/jetway to B30 (it's currently an outdoor gate for AC, but has the space to add a jetway). That way, UA could share with AC, leaving B34 vacant, which would then allow for NK to use B35 & 36, and give B33/34 to an new entrant (AS/VX perhaps?).
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:19 pm

CMHMarc787 wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:

A1, B36, C48 and, if somebody were really thinking outside the box, a double B32/33 (as I think you suggested in the last thread). I wonder how many jetways that money could by.


A1, B36 and C48 should be a given. Instead of a double B32/33, I'd suggest a double B33/34, then add a door/jetway to B30 (it's currently an outdoor gate for AC, but has the space to add a jetway). That way, UA could share with AC, leaving B34 vacant, which would then allow for NK to use B35 & 36, and give B33/34 to an new entrant (AS/VX perhaps?).


I think that is an excellent idea, and maybe the best way possible to get extra space for any potential entrants into the market.

One other item I was/am curious about looking down the road. Does anyone thing that Allegiant will move to CMH once the new terminal is built? Now that Rickenbacker's cargo traffic is up, maybe it would be worth more to have all the passenger carriers at CMH-- especially if they have to start spending money to improve the terminal at LCK around the same time they are building the new terminal on International Gateway?
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:15 am

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DeltaRules wrote:

A1, B36, C48 and, if somebody were really thinking outside the box, a double B32/33 (as I think you suggested in the last thread). I wonder how many jetways that money could by.


A1, B36 and C48 should be a given. Instead of a double B32/33, I'd suggest a double B33/34, then add a door/jetway to B30 (it's currently an outdoor gate for AC, but has the space to add a jetway). That way, UA could share with AC, leaving B34 vacant, which would then allow for NK to use B35 & 36, and give B33/34 to an new entrant (AS/VX perhaps?).


I thought B32/33 because they'd both belong to UA, leaving B34 to somebody by themselves, but you have a decent idea as well. They might be able to move the B34 jetway to B30. I think the B33 one is now at B19 (I recognized it at the time because of the faded AA sign on the side).

Are there restrictions on what sized airplanes can use the double jetways? I know they're usually fairly low to the ground and seem to be built differently than the more "traditional" jetway, but US parked a 733 at one (usually B26) in 2007 which came in from PHL and went back out to DCA, the last regular LUS mainline service other than PHX.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:14 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
CMHMarc787 wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:

A1, B36, C48 and, if somebody were really thinking outside the box, a double B32/33 (as I think you suggested in the last thread). I wonder how many jetways that money could by.


A1, B36 and C48 should be a given. Instead of a double B32/33, I'd suggest a double B33/34, then add a door/jetway to B30 (it's currently an outdoor gate for AC, but has the space to add a jetway). That way, UA could share with AC, leaving B34 vacant, which would then allow for NK to use B35 & 36, and give B33/34 to an new entrant (AS/VX perhaps?).


I thought B32/33 because they'd both belong to UA, leaving B34 to somebody by themselves, but you have a decent idea as well. They might be able to move the B34 jetway to B30. I think the B33 one is now at B19 (I recognized it at the time because of the faded AA sign on the side).

Are there restrictions on what sized airplanes can use the double jetways? I know they're usually fairly low to the ground and seem to be built differently than the more "traditional" jetway, but US parked a 733 at one (usually B26) in 2007 which came in from PHL and went back out to DCA, the last regular LUS mainline service other than PHX.


If you double either B32/33, or B33/34, there looks like there's be enough room so that mainline could use either, or both at the same time.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:42 pm

According to the Southwest schedule extension thread, WN has added CMH-HOU as a daily nonstop beginning 10/3! Great add and long overdue IMO
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:25 pm

CAK Airport Director stating that the airport is expecting a Summer afternoon flight to MCO, wondering what that is about. Could it be a new Airline, an added flight by an existing carrier, or a time adjustment by NK?
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:38 pm

marvinanderson1 wrote:
CAK Airport Director stating that the airport is expecting a Summer afternoon flight to MCO, wondering what that is about. Could it be a new Airline, an added flight by an existing carrier, or a time adjustment by NK?


Anything that is good for CAK is good to me! Nice, easy to get to airport, and why so many places ignore it and take their planes to CLE is a shame.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:28 pm

StuckinCMHland wrote:
marvinanderson1 wrote:
CAK Airport Director stating that the airport is expecting a Summer afternoon flight to MCO, wondering what that is about. Could it be a new Airline, an added flight by an existing carrier, or a time adjustment by NK?


Anything that is good for CAK is good to me! Nice, easy to get to airport, and why so many places ignore it and take their planes to CLE is a shame.


F9, WN, and G4 have already all pulled out of CAK and moved their CAK routes over to CLE. F9 has also significantly expanded at CLE subsequent to the UA dehubbing at CLE.

DL already does have some point-to-point nonstop routes to MCO from airports other than its hubs or focus cities, including nonstop service to MCO from BHM, CLE, CMH, GRR, IND, BDL, MCI, SDF, MEM, MIA, MKE, BNA, PIT, STL, and DCA. As DL already has point-to-point nonstops to MCO from airports other than its hubs or focus cities, DL could possibly add CAK-MCO nonstop service.

Is DL going to be announcing CAK-MCO nonstop service?
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:51 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
CMHMarc787 wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:

A1, B36, C48 and, if somebody were really thinking outside the box, a double B32/33 (as I think you suggested in the last thread). I wonder how many jetways that money could by.


A1, B36 and C48 should be a given. Instead of a double B32/33, I'd suggest a double B33/34, then add a door/jetway to B30 (it's currently an outdoor gate for AC, but has the space to add a jetway). That way, UA could share with AC, leaving B34 vacant, which would then allow for NK to use B35 & 36, and give B33/34 to an new entrant (AS/VX perhaps?).


I thought B32/33 because they'd both belong to UA, leaving B34 to somebody by themselves, but you have a decent idea as well. They might be able to move the B34 jetway to B30. I think the B33 one is now at B19 (I recognized it at the time because of the faded AA sign on the side).

Are there restrictions on what sized airplanes can use the double jetways? I know they're usually fairly low to the ground and seem to be built differently than the more "traditional" jetway, but US parked a 733 at one (usually B26) in 2007 which came in from PHL and went back out to DCA, the last regular LUS mainline service other than PHX.


I really like the idea of doubling up B34 with B33 as well. Right now the B33 parking positions only serve as RON space since the restroom addition inside the concourse; it would be nice to have full use of the parking area again.

The double jetways came from the old America West Express RJ operation and I think all have been repurposed (1 remains at B20 and 2 are at C52 and C53, as well as the 3-bridge set up at B22, B24, and B26). The bridges were manufactured by Dew Bridge (now a part of Ameribridge) and had a vertical lift capable of serving up to a 757. At the time of their install, B22 had enough apron space to accommodate mainline aircraft with the Dew Bridge. However, I believe all the apron parking positions were re-sized to accommodate large RJs, so B22 likely can no longer handle a mainline aircraft, except for maybe an E190.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:57 pm

Another thing of note from the CRAA minutes is that OneJet is happy with how things have gone so far and are still considering an expansion.

flyCMH wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
CMHMarc787 wrote:

A1, B36 and C48 should be a given. Instead of a double B32/33, I'd suggest a double B33/34, then add a door/jetway to B30 (it's currently an outdoor gate for AC, but has the space to add a jetway). That way, UA could share with AC, leaving B34 vacant, which would then allow for NK to use B35 & 36, and give B33/34 to an new entrant (AS/VX perhaps?).


I thought B32/33 because they'd both belong to UA, leaving B34 to somebody by themselves, but you have a decent idea as well. They might be able to move the B34 jetway to B30. I think the B33 one is now at B19 (I recognized it at the time because of the faded AA sign on the side).

Are there restrictions on what sized airplanes can use the double jetways? I know they're usually fairly low to the ground and seem to be built differently than the more "traditional" jetway, but US parked a 733 at one (usually B26) in 2007 which came in from PHL and went back out to DCA, the last regular LUS mainline service other than PHX.


I really like the idea of doubling up B34 with B33 as well. Right now the B33 parking positions only serve as RON space since the restroom addition inside the concourse; it would be nice to have full use of the parking area again.

The double jetways came from the old America West Express RJ operation and I think all have been repurposed (1 remains at B20 and 2 are at C52 and C53, as well as the 3-bridge set up at B22, B24, and B26). The bridges were manufactured by Dew Bridge (now a part of Ameribridge) and had a vertical lift capable of serving up to a 757. At the time of their install, B22 had enough apron space to accommodate mainline aircraft with the Dew Bridge. However, I believe all the apron parking positions were re-sized to accommodate large RJs, so B22 likely can no longer handle a mainline aircraft, except for maybe an E190.


Thanks for the insight. I'd hope the jetway purchase in the report is meant for expansion, because there are definitely a few candidates.

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According to the Southwest schedule extension thread, WN has added CMH-HOU as a daily nonstop beginning 10/3! Great add and long overdue IMO


Good stuff- that's two cities they've taken from seasonal to year-round recently, with MSY the other.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:20 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
boscmh wrote:
According to the Southwest schedule extension thread, WN has added CMH-HOU as a daily nonstop beginning 10/3! Great add and long overdue IMO


Good stuff- that's two cities they've taken from seasonal to year-round recently, with MSY the other.


Agreed. Very happy to see this route go daily year-round. I wonder if it'll spur UA to do anything with CMH-IAH. I've always felt UA underserved the route, which currently sits at 4x daily with a mix of ER4/E70/E75 aircraft types depending on the time of the year. Also on the plus side, it doesn't look like CMH looses anything in the latest WN schedule change, which puts the station at 36 weekday nonstops. From the Dispatch:

http://www.dispatch.com/business/201803 ... rt-in-fall
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:02 am

CVG-DEN sees the 7M8 effective Oct 3 on weekdays (Sat is 738 and Sun is 73G).
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:06 am

DeltaRules wrote:
I wonder how much of WW and/or FI's disinterest in starting CMH (at the time) had to do with the city not being a "name brand" outside the US. None of the cities in the Midwest are particularly flashy, but I feel like there's probably some more name recognition to a Cleveland, Pittsburgh, or St. Louis than there might be for Columbus at this point, which is a stigma they're still shaking. I was surprised both decided to start CLE whereas one could've had CMH all to themselves.

Granted, not opening the wallet (at least yet) or having a magic money tree on property didn't help things, but I wonder if "Columbus=Cowtown" is still a detriment.

I'd genuinely like to know how Nardone's style differs from Roberts'. More aggressive, maybe? He sealed the deal on NK building a big new hangar at DTW.

In my opinion, any cowtown stigma is just as stupid as the 50 year old "rustbelt" stigma nearby neighbors are subjected to which is constantly reinforced by our national media/sunbelt friends to make themselves feel important and superior.

I fully agree that CMH s/b on one of the Iceland carriers priority list if not another TATL and should be on the UA SFO, DL SLC and AS SEA (CLE and CVG too) radar for near future service

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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:28 am

joeman wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
I wonder how much of WW and/or FI's disinterest in starting CMH (at the time) had to do with the city not being a "name brand" outside the US. None of the cities in the Midwest are particularly flashy, but I feel like there's probably some more name recognition to a Cleveland, Pittsburgh, or St. Louis than there might be for Columbus at this point, which is a stigma they're still shaking. I was surprised both decided to start CLE whereas one could've had CMH all to themselves.

Granted, not opening the wallet (at least yet) or having a magic money tree on property didn't help things, but I wonder if "Columbus=Cowtown" is still a detriment.

I'd genuinely like to know how Nardone's style differs from Roberts'. More aggressive, maybe? He sealed the deal on NK building a big new hangar at DTW.

In my opinion, any cowtown stigma is just as stupid as the 50 year old "rustbelt" stigma nearby neighbors are subjected to which is constantly reinforced by our national media/sunbelt friends to make themselves feel important and superior.

I fully agree that CMH s/b on one of the Iceland carriers priority list if not another TATL and should be on the UA SFO, DL SLC and AS SEA (CLE and CVG too) radar for near future service

Best Wishes
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http://www.dispatch.com/business/201709 ... ervers-say

Based on this article the Icelandic carriers aren't interested in CMH, I feel like DE, DY/D8, and DL are stronger possibilities.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:40 pm

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regarding the CRAA monthly report, this little nugget was/is interesting:
"RESOLUTION #03-18 AUTHORIZING AN INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF $729,788.84 TO THE MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH AMERIBRIDGE, LLC FOR THE PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION OF PASSENGER BOARDING BRIDGES AT JOHN GLENN COLUMBUS INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT."
I have learned to not overthink the way these are written and I do not know how much a jet bridge costs, but could this be 1, 2, 3? Maybe they will finally fill in the gaps-- B36, A1, and ??. Maybe we have someone who can figure out if that is what these are for or if they are replacements?


That's interesting. I recall jet bridges being stupidly expensive - like upwards of $500k each. Granted, I guess it all depends on the type, but I would be shocked if this money would purchase more than two.

Regardless, it's hopefully for net new ones and not replacements.

Also, cheers to SW for the HOU add!
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:21 pm

According to Routesonline, F9 has moved to daily on the CMH-AUS route. F9's website doesn't seem to reflect that (yet)...

Link: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t=columbus
 
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Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:54 pm

Briancw wrote:
According to Routesonline, F9 has moved to daily on the CMH-AUS route. F9's website doesn't seem to reflect that (yet)...

Link: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t=columbus


The article says 3x weekly for CMH-AUS.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:52 pm

SgtBarone wrote:

The article says 3x weekly for CMH-AUS.


You're right. I completely overlooked the 3...

Thanks for the catch.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:11 pm

While it's not an Ohio airport, we have from time to time included newsworthy info about various WV airports in this thread. With that in mind... can someone work their magic and provide some info about how the new UA flights into and out of CKB are doing? My guess is "not very good." But I would love to be proven wrong.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:59 pm

NoTime wrote:
While it's not an Ohio airport, we have from time to time included newsworthy info about various WV airports in this thread. With that in mind... can someone work their magic and provide some info about how the new UA flights into and out of CKB are doing? My guess is "not very good." But I would love to be proven wrong.

Just the first month of service is out (November 2017):
CKB-ORD: 42%
ORD-CKB: 41%
CKB-IAD: 23%
IAD-CKB: 29%
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:21 pm

cvgComair wrote:
NoTime wrote:
While it's not an Ohio airport, we have from time to time included newsworthy info about various WV airports in this thread. With that in mind... can someone work their magic and provide some info about how the new UA flights into and out of CKB are doing? My guess is "not very good." But I would love to be proven wrong.

Just the first month of service is out (November 2017):
CKB-ORD: 42%
ORD-CKB: 41%
CKB-IAD: 23%
IAD-CKB: 29%


UA took over the EAS subsidies so loads don't matter as much. Those ORD numbers actually aren't too bad all things considered.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:17 pm

Since we are talking about WV airports, is there anyone still flying into PKB? US and US Air still flew into it when I lived in the area, but that was a million years ago, give or take a few hundred thousand or so....
 
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Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:34 pm

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Since we are talking about WV airports, is there anyone still flying into PKB? US and US Air still flew into it when I lived in the area, but that was a million years ago, give or take a few hundred thousand or so....
Via Air runs Brasilias and/or ERJs to CLT. Some flights stop in Beckley both directions.

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Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:48 pm

WWads wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
NoTime wrote:
While it's not an Ohio airport, we have from time to time included newsworthy info about various WV airports in this thread. With that in mind... can someone work their magic and provide some info about how the new UA flights into and out of CKB are doing? My guess is "not very good." But I would love to be proven wrong.

Just the first month of service is out (November 2017):
CKB-ORD: 42%
ORD-CKB: 41%
CKB-IAD: 23%
IAD-CKB: 29%


UA took over the EAS subsidies so loads don't matter as much. Those ORD numbers actually aren't too bad all things considered.


(Thanks for the numbers, cvgComair.)

Those look pretty abysmal, but I agree that EAS routes are probably low across the board (but that low?). If I remember correctly, there's also a CRJ maintenance base there... so I guess that makes the numbers a little more bearable, too.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:58 pm

Should mention that at least two of us who are regulars in this thread (myself and one other) tried to take day trips on separate occasions on Via Air out of PKB and both of us were cancelled. They could be a reasonably-priced option to UST or SFB if somebody wanted to do it that way, but buyer beware.

Interestingly, Via Air now has a search engine which allows bookings to a huge number of destinations via CLT. Is there an official interline now with AA or is it just combining tickets through a regular search engine?
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:57 pm

NoTime wrote:
WWads wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
Just the first month of service is out (November 2017):
CKB-ORD: 42%
ORD-CKB: 41%
CKB-IAD: 23%
IAD-CKB: 29%


UA took over the EAS subsidies so loads don't matter as much. Those ORD numbers actually aren't too bad all things considered.


(Thanks for the numbers, cvgComair.)

Those look pretty abysmal, but I agree that EAS routes are probably low across the board (but that low?). If I remember correctly, there's also a CRJ maintenance base there... so I guess that makes the numbers a little more bearable, too.


This actually isn't horrible -- a couple of reasons why:

1. Skywest's EAS big for Clarksburg expected a 42% load factor.
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... 20736-0149

2. This is only the first month. It takes time for people to establish new travel habits. Plus in the first days of a new service loads are lighter because you don't have any people "returning" yet.

3. The actual load factor on the scheduled EAS passenger flights is likely a notch or two higher in some cases than the stats indicate. That's because the T100 stats don't differentiate between scheduled passenger flights and empty non-passenger ferry flights. Look at CKB-ORD for November. Skywest flies 1x/day from CKB to ORD which would be 30 trips in November. But the November stats show 33 flights operated, not 30. The three extra are likely empty ferry flights operated CKB-ORD due to the Skywest maintenence base the Clarksburg. Skywest routinely operates empty ferry flights to/from maintenance base cities -- just in November Skywest operated other empty ferry flights at Clarksburg to or from places such as Hartford, South Bend, and Springfield MO. When an empty ferry flight happens to run a route like CKB-SBN it shows 1 flight with 0 passengers and 50 seats. But if they happen to run an empty ferry flight CKB-ORD or CKB-IAD that 1 flight with 0 passengers and 50 seats gets rolled into the stats of the scheduled EAS flights they operate on those routes. Those seats on the empty ferry flights make the load factor of the scheduled passenger EAS service look worse than it was.

That Skywest has a maintenence base in Clarksburg makes it better for them to have the EAS passenger contract for the city -- they are likely able to rotate more aircraft into CKB without having to ferry. But even when a city with a maintenance base has plenty of scheduled Skywest flights it's still not uncommon to have to run empty ferry flights in or out. For example Skywest operates more than a dozen scheduled flights every day at Colorado Springs, but in November Skywest still operated empty ferry flights from their Colorado Springs maintenance base to BIL, LAS, MKE, OKC, OMA and SFO. Those are just the cost of doing business. If they didn't operate scheduled flights to CKB at all then all aircraft in and out of that base woudl be empty ferry flights, of course.

As for projecting only a 42% load factor there certainly are many fuller EAS routes operated with 50-seat RJ's, but it's not a total outlier. Because of lower per-seat operating cost and the ability to serve more passengers with fewer flights, a market like CKB can have a far lower per-passengers subidy with a Skywest CRJ than a 9-seat prop. Skywest's per-passenger subsidy for CKB even with only a 42% projected load factor is $104. EAS markets operated with 9-seat props tend to have anywere between $160 and $400 subsidy per passenger.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:12 am

Midwestindy wrote:
joeman wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
I wonder how much of WW and/or FI's disinterest in starting CMH (at the time) had to do with the city not being a "name brand" outside the US. None of the cities in the Midwest are particularly flashy, but I feel like there's probably some more name recognition to a Cleveland, Pittsburgh, or St. Louis than there might be for Columbus at this point, which is a stigma they're still shaking. I was surprised both decided to start CLE whereas one could've had CMH all to themselves.

Granted, not opening the wallet (at least yet) or having a magic money tree on property didn't help things, but I wonder if "Columbus=Cowtown" is still a detriment.

I'd genuinely like to know how Nardone's style differs from Roberts'. More aggressive, maybe? He sealed the deal on NK building a big new hangar at DTW.

In my opinion, any cowtown stigma is just as stupid as the 50 year old "rustbelt" stigma nearby neighbors are subjected to which is constantly reinforced by our national media/sunbelt friends to make themselves feel important and superior.

I fully agree that CMH s/b on one of the Iceland carriers priority list if not another TATL and should be on the UA SFO, DL SLC and AS SEA (CLE and CVG too) radar for near future service


Best Wishes
in CLE


http://www.dispatch.com/business/201709 ... ervers-say

Based on this article the Icelandic carriers aren't interested in CMH, I feel like DE, DY/D8, and DL are stronger possibilities.


I wonder how common it is for folks in the Columbus metro to drive to CVG and CLE for a Wow flight. Lima, Ohio is another CMH catchment area, and Wow operates from DTW as well. They may be concerned that if they open a station at CMH, they may over-saturate Ohio. They probably want to establish CVG, and CLE before opening up another station in the middle of those two airports.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:09 am

Looks like we have our first confirmation for a new restaurant in Concourse B: https://www.wcpo.com/news/insider/love- ... ky-spirits. It is going to be exciting to see all the closed storefronts in B full again!
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:59 pm

Swift brought in a charter from Cuba today, this is the first time I have seen a flight between CVG and Cuba: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ9581. I was not aware CVG could accept flights from Cuba, but it is still kind of neat to see.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:20 pm

cvgComair wrote:
Swift brought in a charter from Cuba today, this is the first time I have seen a flight between CVG and Cuba: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ9581. I was not aware CVG could accept flights from Cuba, but it is still kind of neat to see.


It was a ferry flight. That plane will be taking Xavier to BNA tomorrow for March Madness.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:11 am

DAY picked up several charters for the First Four from SY and Miami Air:
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Arizona State: SY8647 PHX-DAY (B738): https://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/SCX8647
LIU Brooklyn: SY8633 EWR-DAY (B738): https://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/SCX8633
North Carolina Central: LL633 RDU-DAY (B738): https://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/BSK633
Radford: Can't find anything. Bussing, maybe?
St. Bonaventure: LL631 BUF-DAY (B738): https://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/BSK631
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:05 am

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It was a ferry flight. That plane will be taking Xavier to BNA tomorrow for March Madness.


Cincinnati to Nashville is less than the 350 miles required for a charter flight for the NCAA Tournament. I know UC is bussing and I'd assume X is too?
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:34 am

Just arrived into CMH about an hour ago onboard AA and was very happy to see work being done on a new jetbridge at.... drumroll... B36! Also in NK news, when I left early for DCA, they were boarding at AAs gate B25?! I did not see one of their Aircraft at B35 when we left so I do not know what the situation was but it was pretty interesting to see Sprit boarding from that gate. I could not see tonight the north side of the airport so I don’t know if anything is going on at C48 and I didnt notice anything at A1. Perhaps someone else can take a look?
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:42 am

maxreds19 wrote:
AirportRival wrote:
It was a ferry flight. That plane will be taking Xavier to BNA tomorrow for March Madness.


Cincinnati to Nashville is less than the 350 miles required for a charter flight for the NCAA Tournament. I know UC is bussing and I'd assume X is too?


You'd be assuming wrong. That Swift plane will be taking Xavier to Nashville.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:35 pm

brooklynchris13 wrote:
Just arrived into CMH about an hour ago onboard AA and was very happy to see work being done on a new jetbridge at.... drumroll... B36! Also in NK news, when I left early for DCA, they were boarding at AAs gate B25?! I did not see one of their Aircraft at B35 when we left so I do not know what the situation was but it was pretty interesting to see Sprit boarding from that gate. I could not see tonight the north side of the airport so I don’t know if anything is going on at C48 and I didnt notice anything at A1. Perhaps someone else can take a look?


I flew out of CMH two Saturdays ago (and FlyCMH just after that) and neither of us saw anything going on jetway-wise at C48. Nobody's using that gate in its "intended" form right now, as OneJet is now using an elevator/stairway with ramp access to board their flights (based on the location of their podium) and there's now a hardstand between 48 and 49 which DL had a CR2 parked on that day.

I'll look again this Friday when I come back.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:54 pm

I'm glad to hear B36 is getting a jetway, once again. I can't understand why it was removed in the first place.

I'll be flying out of CMH next Friday and survey the lay of the land.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:09 am

CVG 2018 stats for Jan/Feb are out:
Pax: 1,121,308 - up 15.51% YOY
Cargo: 184,665 - up 45.76% YOY
Aircraft Movements: 23,869 - up 15% YOY

CVG is going to be in striking range of the top 10 cargo airports this year (top 15 for sure), they would need to hit 2 million tons, but we don't know what Amazon's growth plans are for this year. Already on pace to hit ~1.5-1.6 million tons.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:35 am

what is "Jan/Feb"---do you mean "Jan AND Feb"? or is it something like "Jan 16-Feb 15"?
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:23 am

greenair727 wrote:
what is "Jan/Feb"---do you mean "Jan AND Feb"? or is it something like "Jan 16-Feb 15"?


Jan 1-31 and Feb 1-28
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:34 am

Saw this in the Youngstown Vindicator this morning. Charter carrier Ashley Air LLC would like to fill the void left by Allegiant leaving YNG. Also, the article states talks continue between YNG and Elite for service to Newark 4x weekly.

Anyhow, here’s is the article. The link includes a pdf of their proposal. http://www.vindy.com/news/2018/mar/14/p ... -service-/

If anyone has any idea of this outfit or any experience with them, I’d love to know.

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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:50 am

They are for January and February combined. I know the numbers were good but they are better than I thought. If those percentages hold it is around 9 million passengers, 1.5 million tons of cargo and 170,000 movements. I think Amazon has about 8 more 767s coming on through the end of the year so the cargo numbers and movements will probably end up even higher. Always love seeing this numbers.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:04 am

I stumbled upon the full RFP for new jetways/jetway renovation at CMH here: https://columbusairports.com/storage/pr ... -final.pdf

You can comb through at your leisure for possible hints to what future plans might be in place (it's a long read but, if you find anything, please share). The most interesting thing I found is on Page 21, a complete list of the gates at CMH and LCK and the aircraft types they should be able to accommodate. The jetways which are crossed out are the dual jetbridges (which I never thought of C52 and 53 originally being part of the triple at B16/18/20).

Also, the RFP states B36 and C48 will get jetways. Page 21 says C48 must be able to handle a Hawker or a 737-700, which makes sense because DL only used C48 for Delta Express. The 73G type being named is interesting; it could be nothing or it could indicate a 73G operator may go there. AS? SY? DL?

edit- B34, C46, C47, and C56 are the widebody gates at CMH. C46 is supposed to hold clear up to a 747, the others up to a 767. I know Vacation Express had an Omni 767 parked at 35 once, though.

Here's where I found the solicitation: https://columbusairports.com/doing-busi ... on-results
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