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greenair727
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:11 pm

fun2fly wrote:
It's awful late in the season, when do you think the TATL announcement will occur? Weird to put that in print in Crains but no announcement.

Separately, DL is matching FI rates to AMS in AUGUST for approx. $800 RT! That's a $300-500 discount of normal rates. WW/FI is putting a hurt on TATL yields at CLE.


CLE-Europe prices were so high that many non-business folks drove to PIT and elsewhere, which didn't allow the market to truly represent the demand from CLE. I'm glad that WW/FI are 'correcting' these prices, which makes CLE more competitive with YYZ/PIT/DTW. CLE's pax numbers will rise, not only from Iceland-bound pax, but more so by stopping the bleed to other airports, which in turn will attract more services.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:43 pm

I know it’s early but it sure is disappointing to read enilirias posts. Cleveland gets a hill of beans. Meantime PIT is getting really nice capacity upgrades to Boston and Indy keeps getting ads to the west coast, the latest being a second flight to Seattle, this one on delta. I sure don’t understand how Indy can get this capacity whereas CLE gets irregular service on Frontier. Ditto PIt to BOS they are up to 12 flights each way if my math is right including A320 on B6.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:59 pm

ncflyer wrote:
I know it’s early but it sure is disappointing to read enilirias posts. Cleveland gets a hill of beans. Meantime PIT is getting really nice capacity upgrades to Boston and Indy keeps getting ads to the west coast, the latest being a second flight to Seattle, this one on delta. I sure don’t understand how Indy can get this capacity whereas CLE gets irregular service on Frontier. Ditto PIt to BOS they are up to 12 flights each way if my math is right including A320 on B6.


I'm pretty sure AS would have added CLE-SEA by now if it wasn't for the problems they have had with the VX integration. Likewise with the delay of the Cseries, CLE-SEA on DL might be delayed as well. IIRC, CLE-SEA is a pretty large market..

Would CLE be able to provide incentives, like PIT did? Considering AS would be the second carrier on that route...
2018: AMS, ATL, BOS, BWI, CDG, CLT, DCA, DFW, DTW, EWR, FLL, FRA, HPN, JFK, IAD, IAH, IND, LAX, LGA, LHR, MAD, MIA, MSP, ORD, PHL, PVD, SAN, SEA, SJD, SLC, SFO, TPA, TXL, ZRH....Loading....
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:35 am

Cleveland-Seattle is pretty big market. Here are the daily numbers per quarter. Ttravel is directionless---so divide by 2 for the average demand for per direction.

YEAR QTR PAX (either direction)
2,015 1 143
2,015 2 375
2,015 3 512
2,015 4 214
2,016 1 154
2,016 2 349
2,016 3 390
2,016 4 235
2,017 1 163
2,017 2 341

Regarding incentives, other than the standard for any new route, I'd don't see CLE doling anything out for Seattle. TATL, yes, but not for the west coast.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:55 pm

^I should note, those are Cleveland market (CLE and CAK) numbers, not just Hopkins.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:30 pm

Those numbers aren't that huge for both directions. Average of roughly 100 a day each way with a peak season of 200 per day each way. A nonstop on a good carrier would undoubtedly stimulate the market, however. With that demand it's probably best served with a once daily CS100/73G/319 since it's way too long for an E75/CR9 even the LR versions of each would be a nightmare. Delta CS100 is probably our best chance, and even that seems slim since DL doesn't even serve SLC from CLE. Maybe Southwest would take a stab? They seems to be doing pretty well at CLE these days.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:44 pm

CommutAir is returning to CLE on February 15th. They will be operating some of the nonstops to IAD using their E145s.
AGP BCN BNA CLE CLT DCA DEN FLG FRA IAD IAH JAX LAX LGB MAD MCI MDW MUC PHX RSW SJU SLC SNA TPA
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:02 pm

^ Hey, the hometown airline is back! I figured it had to happen. I wonder if they'll share maintenance with ExpressJet.

So what with the other guys hogging all the news lately, maybe it pays to look at traffic.

First ten months of domestic-only boardings 2017
CLE - 3,662K
IND - 3,558K
PIT - 3,450K
CVG - 3,044K
CMH - 3,008K

CLE is still on track to see 9 million pax this year.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:46 pm

At least for now the current IAD summer schedule shows only Endeavor. In fact it looks like the 5PM flight from IAD to CLE, at least on the days I looked at, is a CR7, last year it was mainline plane being positioned to fly the evening flight to LAX or SFO and best I could tell it was quite full.

Nice stats Massy, CLE/IND/PIT are really neck and neck. It's interesting to see where the various cities get better service-- for instance PIT just blows away on BOS, CLE with its strong UA FF does better to Chicago, IND is really trending nicely on west coast capacity.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:04 pm

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^ Hey, the hometown airline is back! I figured it had to happen. I wonder if they'll share maintenance with ExpressJet.

So what with the other guys hogging all the news lately, maybe it pays to look at traffic.

First ten months of domestic-only boardings 2017
CLE - 3,662K
IND - 3,558K
PIT - 3,450K
CVG - 3,044K
CMH - 3,008K

CLE is still on track to see 9 million pax this year.


Interesting to see CLE leading that group of airports. I bet a lot wouldn’t expect that list to look like that, especially with CLE’s less than impressive daily domestic destination list. I think CLE’s passenger counts really illustrate the consolidation of flights to other hubs post CLE hub closure. You basically have the same number of people (or slightly more) flying out of the airport on significantly less flights to significantly less destinations. So instead of having a flight(s) to SEA, SLC, MCI, SAT, MEM, or HOU there’s now 11 mainline flights to Atlanta or 22+ flights to Chicago.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:10 am

Is it possible to get international numbers for those airports? Would "international" be only non-stops (like to YYZ) or could they (preferably) include TATL/TPAC even though there is a domestic connection?
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:23 am

greenair727 wrote:
Is it possible to get international numbers for those airports? Would "international" be only non-stops (like to YYZ) or could they (preferably) include TATL/TPAC even though there is a domestic connection?


I don't think those numbers get published.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:56 am

greenair727 wrote:
Is it possible to get international numbers for those airports? Would "international" be only non-stops (like to YYZ) or could they (preferably) include TATL/TPAC even though there is a domestic connection?


Yes, but you have to wait. The last month for which DoT has released "official" numbers at the airport level is July.

Int'l boardings for Jan- July 2017 (nonstop flights only, not connecting traffic)
CLE - 52.1K
IND - 22.3K
PIT - 54.8K
CVG - 67.3K
CMH - 23.5K

CLE's own data for Oct, '17 said Int'l for the year to date was 153.0K out of total traffic of 7,677,8K (including charters).
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:57 am

Int'l passenger stats are published by the respective airports.

Int'l YTD through OCT:
PIT 229,851
CLE 152,027
IND 71,497

Total YTD through OCT:
CLE 7,677,864
PIT 7,466,197
IND 7,304,394

Oct total:
PIT 826,594
CLE 816,768
IND 806,277

CLE
http://www.clevelandairport.com/about-us/facts-figures
PIT
http://www.flypittsburgh.com/getattachment/Newsroom/Airport-Statistics/October-2017-Short-E-Mail-Report.pdf.aspx?lang=en-US
IND
https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/iaa-images/arts-program/10_2017-Oct-Airline-Activity-Report.pdf
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:30 am

Massey & FlyPIT -- thank you.

Re CLE:

Jan- July 2017 (nonstop flights only, not connecting traffic) - CLE - 52.1K and
YTD through OCT: 152,027

Assuming no sudden surge in Aug, Sept, and Oct, where the big disparity in numbers? Does the 152k include connecting traffic (like a CLE-EWR-CDG), while the 52k represent, as Massey noted, nonstop flights only?
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:31 am

greenair727 wrote:
Massey & FlyPIT -- thank you.

Re CLE:

Jan- July 2017 (nonstop flights only, not connecting traffic) - CLE - 52.1K and
YTD through OCT: 152,027

Assuming no sudden surge in Aug, Sept, and Oct, where the big disparity in numbers? Does the 152k include connecting traffic (like a CLE-EWR-CDG), while the 52k represent, as Massey noted, nonstop flights only?


The Jan-Jul is boardings only; the 153,027 is total traffic. Sorry, my fault for the confusion.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:50 pm

^ok, thanks. that's not a bad number considering its just YYZ, Punta Cana, and Cancun. TATL demand (via a transfer or driving to another airport or split tickets) is probably between 250k and 400k?
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:01 pm

It will be fun to try to figure out this year how much of PIT's WW traffic last summer came from CLE - if possible. PIT's really done well building their int'l ops.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:08 pm

Crain's Cleveland reported today that CLE exceeded 9.1 million pax for 2017, 96% of which was O&D. They said December was up 14.7% over the prior year. Nice results. So far no details from the airport.

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/ ... -time-2013
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:27 pm

masseybrown wrote:
Crain's Cleveland reported today that CLE exceeded 9.1 million pax for 2017, 96% of which was O&D. They said December was up 14.7% over the prior year. Nice results. So far no details from the airport.

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/ ... -time-2013

Pretty good numbers , and impressive considering there is a rival airport down the road push around another 1mil in passengers!
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:46 pm

More data from the PD, 9.14 million pax (best number since 2011), up 8.5% over 2016. Forecast: 9.5 million for 2018, 10 million for 2019. Quote from Kennedy, "United was the ONLY airline which reduced seats in the market last year."

http://www.cleveland.com/travel/index.s ... river_home
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:53 pm

Excellent news!
AGP BCN BNA CLE CLT DCA DEN FLG FRA IAD IAH JAX LAX LGB MAD MCI MDW MUC PHX RSW SJU SLC SNA TPA
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:26 pm

masseybrown wrote:
More data from the PD, 9.14 million pax (best number since 2011), up 8.5% over 2016. Forecast: 9.5 million for 2018, 10 million for 2019. Quote from Kennedy, "United was the ONLY airline which reduced seats in the market last year."

http://www.cleveland.com/travel/index.s ... river_home


Great to see the improvement and growth to 9mm pax . FI/WW + TATL should be worth more than 500k pax if it all happens in 2018. In 2019, 10mm pax is a respectable number for a non-hub Midwest city. Let's hope that CLE spend some capital to get more than cosmetic changes.

I do have to say I continue to be impressed with the deicing program. Fast and efficient and not causing any real delays.

Anxiously awaiting the TATL announcement.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:18 pm

That is great news. ^How can the Icelandics alone add that much?

9x/week (5FI and 2 WW) x 200 seats/plane x 30 weeks (approx--services start in May sometime) x 2 (for arrivals and departures) = 108,000
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:27 pm

Of note, absolutely no hint of new international service in the article. The PD hasn’t picked up on the Crains prediction issue as newsworthy.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:42 am

Those are very nice numbers for 2017.

As for Wow and Icelandair, they will combined be offering about 1600 weekly seats to KEF. As a comparison, CLE-MYR sees about the same number of weekly seats in the summer.

If CLE is going to hit 9.5 million for 2018 where will the expansion come from? Frontier is cutting quite a bit, so it would have to come from a lot of expansion of other airlines.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:16 am

lakeeffect wrote:
Those are very nice numbers for 2017.

As for Wow and Icelandair, they will combined be offering about 1600 weekly seats to KEF. As a comparison, CLE-MYR sees about the same number of weekly seats in the summer.

If CLE is going to hit 9.5 million for 2018 where will the expansion come from? Frontier is cutting quite a bit, so it would have to come from a lot of expansion of other airlines.


Based on what we've seen in a pretty short time, I'd say Kennedy is pretty sharp and knows what is behind those numbers. So, KEF is 100k. If the TATL happens, there is some and he must know a few more routes or why say it? Additionally, moving from ERJ to CR7 or CR9, which is happened a lot lately on DL and AA, adds up, also noting that WN planes are larger on some routes. Some also has to be organic passenger growth by the economy's rise and some by lower rates. F9 had a sale yesterday for Jan travel to MCO for $20. I thought about going for the night with the kids for their birthday...$40RT...amazing rates have to spur travel.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:31 pm

fun2fly wrote:
lakeeffect wrote:
Those are very nice numbers for 2017.

As for Wow and Icelandair, they will combined be offering about 1600 weekly seats to KEF. As a comparison, CLE-MYR sees about the same number of weekly seats in the summer.

If CLE is going to hit 9.5 million for 2018 where will the expansion come from? Frontier is cutting quite a bit, so it would have to come from a lot of expansion of other airlines.


Based on what we've seen in a pretty short time, I'd say Kennedy is pretty sharp and knows what is behind those numbers. So, KEF is 100k. If the TATL happens, there is some and he must know a few more routes or why say it? Additionally, moving from ERJ to CR7 or CR9, which is happened a lot lately on DL and AA, adds up, also noting that WN planes are larger on some routes. Some also has to be organic passenger growth by the economy's rise and some by lower rates. F9 had a sale yesterday for Jan travel to MCO for $20. I thought about going for the night with the kids for their birthday...$40RT...amazing rates have to spur travel.


I think CLE’s rapid YoY growth will continue through winter and early spring. The Southwest flights to ATL and MKE will help prop up the numbers a bit. Allegiant will add through March, but once they hit a year of service at CLE, they’ll stop adding to the growth. I do think you’ll see AA and DL grow a bit with larger aircraft than last year.

The big question mark is Frontier which looks to cut over 100,000 seats from CLE in summer 2018. And of course, if any new entrant or new service is announced for the second half of 2018 that could cause the growth to continue.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:10 am

^Why is F9 cutting so much in CLE--esp. after recently announcing connecting flights in CLE (and a few other cities)?
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:22 pm

greenair727 wrote:
^Why is F9 cutting so much in CLE--esp. after recently announcing connecting flights in CLE (and a few other cities)?


F9's CLE-West Coast loads were in the mid-80's last summer - good, but apparently not good enough. I suspect they would rather get 90% on new routes in new cities than 80's in CLE. Allegiant does the same city-hopping thing. I guess that will always be CLE's problem with the ULCCs - they're not interested in "building a business" in any traditional sense, just cream-skimming.

Sorry to see UA kill SJU for good. In the old CO days of daily ops, they called it the Alomar Express. 8-) Maybe CLE can get B6 interested in the route - I believe Puerto Ricans are Cleveland's biggest Latino group.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:27 pm

greenair727 wrote:
^Why is F9 cutting so much in CLE--esp. after recently announcing connecting flights in CLE (and a few other cities)?

I just ran the numbers and they are making 28% cut, going from 74,510 one-way seats in June 2017 to 54,098 one-way seats in June 2018. As far as connections, it looks like the only options F9 is offering are (both ways available):
MSP-CLE-RDU
TPA-CLE-PDX
TPA-CLE-SEA

This is kind of surprising since they announced connections were coming, but it appears they are focusing that in CVG, where they have actually banked the schedule offering dozens of connecting routings. I guess we will have to see where is this goes, but I am surprised they decided to cut so much.
Next: CVG-BOS (Delta Air Lines MD90), BOS-AMS (Delta Air Lines A333), AMS-CPH (KLM B738)
A319/320/332/333, B712/722/732/733/738/739/752/753/763/764/772/773/788, CRJ-100/2/7/9, ERJ-145/75, MD-88/90, S340
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:33 pm

Is cle sju really being cut or is it a typical seasonal adjustment? I have to imagine this one is in hands of a tour operator that commits to filling seats.

Analogous to Frontier albeit much smaller but Enilirias Post this week has some Spirit trimming at CLE this spring, a cutback of daily service to ATL and MYR.

At what point is it too late for Airlines to announce added routes or capacity to help the airport counter Frontier cuts and continue its growth trajectory in 2018. February?
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:58 pm

ncflyer wrote:
Is cle sju really being cut or is it a typical seasonal adjustment? I have to imagine this one is in hands of a tour operator that commits to filling seats.

Analogous to Frontier albeit much smaller but Enilirias Post this week has some Spirit trimming at CLE this spring, a cutback of daily service to ATL and MYR.

At what point is it too late for Airlines to announce added routes or capacity to help the airport counter Frontier cuts and continue its growth trajectory in 2018. February?


I’d imagine the hurricane related damage is what did this route in. Loads on this route were always very good and fares not that cheap.

As for Frontier, they loaded their 2018 summer schedule about 4-5 months ago, so the airlines have had ample time to announce new service, but nothing has happened. What killed Frontier on the routes they cut at CLE was the aggressive legacy price matching. Why fly F9 to SFO or LAX, when United is offering the same nonstop flight for $50 one way? Same can be said for CLT, where AA was running $20 fare sales almost daily against the F9 nonstop. Of course, this means that passengers can now enjoy the $500+ round trips to SFO in UA this summer with no competition.

Interestingly the F9 flight to MSP is coming back this year, likely because Delta just ignored F9 and kept pricing as it always was. The ULCC need to find routes that have high demand (Florida, LAS) or have no nonstop legacy competition (SEA, PDX, PHX). Going into the legacy mega hubs of SFO, CLT, IAH, and ATL don’t work with price matching.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:11 pm

lakeeffect wrote:
As for Frontier, they loaded their 2018 summer schedule about 4-5 months ago, so the airlines have had ample time to announce new service, but nothing has happened. What killed Frontier on the routes they cut at CLE was the aggressive legacy price matching. Why fly F9 to SFO or LAX, when United is offering the same nonstop flight for $50 one way? Same can be said for CLT, where AA was running $20 fare sales almost daily against the F9 nonstop. Of course, this means that passengers can now enjoy the $500+ round trips to SFO in UA this summer with no competition.


WN could add CLE-OAK nonstop service since WN has been at CLE for over 25 years, since WN has a focus city at OAK, since WN has recently been expanding at OAK, and since WN is already considering serving additional destinations nonstop from CLE.

WN could also serve DAL nonstop from CLE since AA is currently the only airline to have year-round nonstop service to DFW from CLE, since WN has its home base at DAL, since WN has always been at DAL since starting operations over 46 years ago, since WN has been at CLE for over 25 years, since Dallas is one of the top destinations from CLE, since UA does not have a hub or focus city at DFW, and since UA has discontinued CLE-DFW nonstop service.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:57 pm

lakeeffect wrote:
What killed Frontier on the routes they cut at CLE was the aggressive legacy price matching. Why fly F9 to SFO or LAX, when United is offering the same nonstop flight for $50 one way? Same can be said for CLT, where AA was running $20 fare sales almost daily against the F9 nonstop.


Nice to see the majors caring enough about CLE to defend their turf!

Re SJU, that's a route that CLE has had for a long time. I don't think it was vacation company related, rather VFR and general tourism. I, too, think Hurricane Maria is what may have impacted that route. Then again, maybe its not Maria-related and more of a UA thing, as they're cutting across the board:

UA CLE-SJU MAY 0.1>0 JUN 0.2>0 JUL 0.1>0
UA EWR-SJU APR 3>1.9 JUN 3>1.9 JUL 4>2 AUG 3>1.6 SEP 1.2>1.0
UA IAD-SJU MAY 0.3>0 AUG 1.0>0.6 SEP 0.1>0
UA IAH-SJU MAY 1.5>1.3


Actually, as a result of the hurricane, the Puerto Rican population in Cleveland is larger than ever and is expected to grow. I would love to see B6 step into CLE-SJU.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:18 pm

Attn OSU students: Get your passports now. WW has announced some nice $149 intro fares to Amsterdam, Berlin, Copenhagen, Dublin, Frankfurt, London and Paris. Fares are one way when purchased as part of a round trip. Although service begins May 4th the earliest availability date for the fare appears to be May 7th.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:36 pm

masseybrown wrote:
Attn OSU students: Get your passports now. WW has announced some nice $149 intro fares to Amsterdam, Berlin, Copenhagen, Dublin, Frankfurt, London and Paris. Fares are one way when purchased as part of a round trip. Although service begins May 4th the earliest availability date for the fare appears to be May 7th.

Not to be funny but what’s behind the targeting of OSU students ?
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:04 pm

Lol. You surely must mean CSU/CWRU students? OSU students are not going to be traveling en masse up to CLE to fly anywhere
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:49 pm

Well, we might need a little infrastructure upgrade at CLE. 3 cancelled flights and 24 delayed due to power outage. It was one hell of a storm last night.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ss ... rt_m-rpt-1
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:32 pm

boscmh wrote:
Lol. You surely must mean CSU/CWRU students? OSU students are not going to be traveling en masse up to CLE to fly anywhere


Ok, it's kind of a toss up between CVG and CLE. Where will OSU folks get a $149 fare that's closer?
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:33 pm

boscmh wrote:
Lol. You surely must mean CSU/CWRU students? OSU students are not going to be traveling en masse up to CLE to fly anywhere


masseybrown wrote:
Ok, it's kind of a toss up between CVG and CLE. Where will OSU folks get a $149 fare that's closer?


Why not? CLE-KEF is a shorter flight than CVG-KEF, especially westbound--the trip from KEF to CLE is 20 minutes less than it is to CVG. Also, getting to the airport from OSU, using google maps, CLE is 16 minutes closer to OSU than is CVG.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:15 pm

Looks like WW inaugural on Thurs night/Fri morn May 4 still offering seats , was looking at those days for a weekend trip, thought I heard it was sold out , guess not!
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:17 pm

Robert1010 wrote:
masseybrown wrote:
Attn OSU students: Get your passports now. WW has announced some nice $149 intro fares to Amsterdam, Berlin, Copenhagen, Dublin, Frankfurt, London and Paris. Fares are one way when purchased as part of a round trip. Although service begins May 4th the earliest availability date for the fare appears to be May 7th.

Not to be funny but what’s behind the targeting of OSU students ?


Yeah... and adding on to that how many students even know that Cleveland has flights to KEF?
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:53 pm

greenair727 wrote:
^Why is F9 cutting so much in CLE--esp. after recently announcing connecting flights in CLE (and a few other cities)?


Poor performance. $49 fares to LAX and $29 to MCO (among other fares) are great for passengers, but simply not sustainable. Take advantage of them while they last.
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:55 pm

Robert1010 wrote:
Not to be funny but what’s behind the targeting of OSU students ?


Why not? You want them to stay home??? :D

CLE would be crazy not to dangle the huge nearby student population in front of ULCCs; and since CMH can't offer a competing service, OSU students are fair game. A little cheap advertising in "The Lantern" and you'd fill a couple of plane loads per summer easily.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:46 pm

masseybrown wrote:
Robert1010 wrote:
Not to be funny but what’s behind the targeting of OSU students ?


Why not? You want them to stay home??? :D

CLE would be crazy not to dangle the huge nearby student population in front of ULCCs; and since CMH can't offer a competing service, OSU students are fair game. A little cheap advertising in "The Lantern" and you'd fill a couple of plane loads per summer easily.


I'm curious for you to show your work on that arithmetic.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:48 pm

Judging by the numbers of Clevelanders I know who drive to PIT or even YYZ for better/cheaper international flights—- there’s no doubt people from Columbus will make the drive north. Google flights makes it effortless to check alternative airports. Advertising in the lantern wouldn’t hurt but it’s hardly necessary.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:49 pm

It's a no brainer to market these flights to college students all over Ohio. Not just OSU.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:53 pm

masseybrown wrote:
Robert1010 wrote:
Not to be funny but what’s behind the targeting of OSU students ?


Why not? You want them to stay home??? :D

CLE would be crazy not to dangle the huge nearby student population in front of ULCCs; and since CMH can't offer a competing service, OSU students are fair game. A little cheap advertising in "The Lantern" and you'd fill a couple of plane loads per summer easily.


Most college students go to their respective homes during the summer...... plus, college students contribute more to the spring break travel market (CUN/PVR/e.t.c) more than they do to the ULCC/LCC markets.

Marketing to the CMH region as a whole would make more sense, considering most college students aren't there during summers plus the fact that college students can only travel during very select portions of the year (most of that is to their respective homes anyway).
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:34 am

I'm genuinely confused by this "college student" logic. Are you guys suggesting that CVG, equidistant from CMH as CLE, wouldn't have a flight to CDG without... college kids? I mean, how many college kids do you know that travel to Europe anyway? They go to Cancun and Panama City, Florida, not Paris.
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