Why so many 757’s to ATL per day?

Midwestindy wrote:

On the Subject of UA, they have now added seasonal mainline to IAD starting in October, and seasonal mainline to EWR starting in June.

DL
Added 738 service to DTW in June
Added 738 service to CUN for June 9th-July 7th
Added 3x757 service to ATL in March

Wow, IAD!
DEN-IND also gets a 739 in October
Still a lot of CR2s/ERJs, I'd been hoping for relief, but I definitely like the DL like schedule for IAD-IND-IAD....
IND-SFO continues at 2x daily in the fall as 1x A319, 1x 73H

Do you think these will stick with UA? Do they really have hope of increasing passenger volume here?
Seems a bit aggressive, for them at least, IAH doesn't have any mainline service that I can see though.

How are transfers at CDG now days?
I had heard some difficult stories a while back...
It would be nice if IND had a contingency plan with some healthy competition to LHR...

IndEagle wrote:

How are transfers at CDG now days?
I had heard some difficult stories a while back...
It would be nice if IND had a contingency plan with some healthy competition to LHR...

It usually isn't that bad when I fly CVG-CDG on DL then CDG-XXX on AF. I have not missed a connection at CDG recently and I have had plenty of 1 hour connections there. AF is usually delayed/behind or has boarding trouble (a few weeks ago the flight was delayed b/c a lady left her laptop in the boarding area, they spent at least 1/2 hour looking for it). I vastly prefer connecting in AMS, but CDG is usually bearable. With the ongoing AF labor issues and many cancelations, I am trying to avoid AF at the moment.

SumChristianus wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

On the Subject of UA, they have now added seasonal mainline to IAD starting in October, and seasonal mainline to EWR starting in June.

DL
Added 738 service to DTW in June
Added 738 service to CUN for June 9th-July 7th
Added 3x757 service to ATL in March

Wow, IAD!
DEN-IND also gets a 739 in October
Still a lot of CR2s/ERJs, I'd been hoping for relief, but I definitely like the DL like schedule for IAD-IND-IAD....
IND-SFO continues at 2x daily in the fall as 1x A319, 1x 73H

Do you think these will stick with UA? Do they really have hope of increasing passenger volume here?
Seems a bit aggressive, for them at least, IAH doesn't have any mainline service that I can see though.

IND-IAD mainline isn't too much of shock for me, their LF for last October was 88.1% for IND-IAD and IAD-IND was 90.6%
IND-ORD also seems quite nice for October, 2xCR2, 5xE170, 2xA319

Midwestindy wrote:

On the Subject of UA, they have now added seasonal mainline to IAD starting in October, and seasonal mainline to EWR starting in June.

DL
Added 738 service to DTW in June
Added 738 service to CUN for June 9th-July 7th
Added 3x757 service to ATL in March

I guess the 757 service was over spring break only. Also surprised to find no 757 service scheduled for Memorial Day (DL).

Indy wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

On the Subject of UA, they have now added seasonal mainline to IAD starting in October, and seasonal mainline to EWR starting in June.

DL
Added 738 service to DTW in June
Added 738 service to CUN for June 9th-July 7th
Added 3x757 service to ATL in March

I guess the 757 service was over spring break only. Also surprised to find no 757 service scheduled for Memorial Day (DL).

There will be 757 service to MSP, but that is for the entire month of May
I see an A321 to ATL

The MD88s are getting retired next year, so I expect to see more 757s and A321s on IND-ATL next year

I would like to see Delta build up IND more... I get that CVG is super close, and that DTW, isn’t far away... but Southwest isn’t “huge” persay at IND, yes the largest carrier by passengers, but nothing to the size of STL 111 daily flights, southwest in CVG is bigger... thoughts? Call me a idiot!!?

Don’t they ( CVG ) have more flights per day than IND?

Don’t they ( CVG ) have more flights per day than IND?

fedex1 wrote:

I would like to see Delta build up IND more... I get that CVG is super close, and that DTW, isn’t far away... but Southwest isn’t “huge” persay at IND, yes the largest carrier by passengers, but nothing to the size of STL 111 daily flights, southwest in CVG is bigger... thoughts? Call me a idiot!!?

What do you mean by Southwest in CVG is bigger?

zackary747 wrote:

fedex1 wrote:

I would like to see Delta build up IND more... I get that CVG is super close, and that DTW, isn’t far away... but Southwest isn’t “huge” persay at IND, yes the largest carrier by passengers, but nothing to the size of STL 111 daily flights, southwest in CVG is bigger... thoughts? Call me a idiot!!?

Southwest is absolutely tiny out of CVG. Southwest has been here since the 80's while WN started CVG last year.....

IND gets a crap ton more Southwest than CVG. Honestly, when you look at how much WN flights we get it's really good. Out of medium markets only STL, BNA, and maybe MCI beat us in that regard.

MKE and CMH are pretty equal with IND in terms of WN. IND has some good WN nonstop destinations though, service to EWR, CUN, AUS, SAN, MCI, e.t.c is quite helpful

fedex1 wrote:

I would like to see Delta build up IND more... I get that CVG is super close, and that DTW, isn’t far away... but Southwest isn’t “huge” persay at IND, yes the largest carrier by passengers, but nothing to the size of STL 111 daily flights, southwest in CVG is bigger... thoughts? Call me a idiot!!?

Southwest is absolutely tiny out of CVG. Southwest has been here since the 80's while WN started CVG last year.....

IND gets a crap ton more Southwest than CVG. Honestly, when you look at how much WN flights we get it's really good. Out of medium markets only STL, BNA, and maybe MCI beat us in that regard.

Midwestindy wrote:

There will be 757 service to MSP, but that is for the entire month of May
I see an A321 to ATL

The MD88s are getting retired next year, so I expect to see more 757s and A321s on IND-ATL next year

I am seeing a number of 737-900ER's on Memorial Day which have the same seating capacity as DL's 757-200 (757). I am finding 5 of those on Monday the 21st of May. Maybe there was 5 on Memorial Day and 1 sold out. I have no idea. There are 4 on the 14th of May.

It is weird looking at the MSP schedule. They have such limited mainline service. Seems odd having all of that RJ service and then throw in a 757.

Indy wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

There will be 757 service to MSP, but that is for the entire month of May
I see an A321 to ATL

The MD88s are getting retired next year, so I expect to see more 757s and A321s on IND-ATL next year

I am seeing a number of 737-900ER's on Memorial Day which have the same seating capacity as DL's 757-200 (757). I am finding 5 of those on Monday the 21st of May. Maybe there was 5 on Memorial Day and 1 sold out. I have no idea. There are 4 on the 14th of May.

It is weird looking at the MSP schedule. They have such limited mainline service. Seems odd having all of that RJ service and then throw in a 757.

Memorial Day is the 28th right? or the day after the 500
It looks like they upguaged IND-LAX to a 739ER as well, and an extra B717 to IND-MSP/DTW

The MSP schedule is odd, but it looks like it goes to 4xmainline, 1xRJ for the summer

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/pol ... 546546002/

"Infosys picks Indianapolis International Airport site for 3,000-job hub"

Pence will be in town for the announcement tomorrow

Midwestindy wrote:

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2018/04/24/infosys-mike-pence-eric-holcomb-plans-new-indianapolis-jobs-announcement/546546002/

"Infosys picks Indianapolis International Airport site for 3,000-job hub"

Pence will be in town for the announcement tomorrow

I hope this announcement is on national media. This is exactly what Indy needs.

zackary747 wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2018/04/24/infosys-mike-pence-eric-holcomb-plans-new-indianapolis-jobs-announcement/546546002/

"Infosys picks Indianapolis International Airport site for 3,000-job hub"

Pence will be in town for the announcement tomorrow

I hope this announcement is on national media. This is exactly what Indy needs.

I think this may have been the big announcement the Airport Director referred to earlier

Probably not a coincidence they chose a site on the airport property, I expect PDEW to RDU, PVD, and BDL will increase

Does this mean B6 is coming?

boxeebox wrote:

DELTA777 wrote:

While the management trip to the west coast may have something to do with LGB, I would expect an announcement more along the lines of LAX/SFO to EWR with Mint.

Expect something to do with the LA Basin (a new* city) and new destination(s) in the midwest/mountain region announced tomorrow.

USA Today:
Will JetBlue Airways focus on a different market in Southern California? CEO Robin Hayes said Tuesday he would reveal the answer “very, very, very, very soon.”

“We will play on our strength as the preferred airline for coast-to-coast travel with new transcon flying from the LA Basin to be announced soon,” Hayes said.

SumChristianus wrote:

Does this mean B6 is coming?

boxeebox wrote:

DELTA777 wrote:

While the management trip to the west coast may have something to do with LGB, I would expect an announcement more along the lines of LAX/SFO to EWR with Mint.

Expect something to do with the LA Basin (a new* city) and new destination(s) in the midwest/mountain region announced tomorrow.

USA Today:
Will JetBlue Airways focus on a different market in Southern California? CEO Robin Hayes said Tuesday he would reveal the answer “very, very, very, very soon.”

“We will play on our strength as the preferred airline for coast-to-coast travel with new transcon flying from the LA Basin to be announced soon,” Hayes said.

This is interesting. What forum did you hear this from?

SumChristianus wrote:

Does this mean B6 is coming?

boxeebox wrote:

DELTA777 wrote:

While the management trip to the west coast may have something to do with LGB, I would expect an announcement more along the lines of LAX/SFO to EWR with Mint.

Expect something to do with the LA Basin (a new* city) and new destination(s) in the midwest/mountain region announced tomorrow.

USA Today:
Will JetBlue Airways focus on a different market in Southern California? CEO Robin Hayes said Tuesday he would reveal the answer “very, very, very, very soon.”

“We will play on our strength as the preferred airline for coast-to-coast travel with new transcon flying from the LA Basin to be announced soon,” Hayes said.

I read it as there will be a new city added in the LA Basin and there will be new routes to destinations in the midwest/mountain region (from the west coast most likely). If they were adding a new city in the midwest, I would assume it would say new city there also. It reads a little confusing with new in both places.

Its from this thread.

viewtopic.php?t=1392437

zackary747 wrote:

SumChristianus wrote:

Does this mean B6 is coming?

boxeebox wrote:

Expect something to do with the LA Basin (a new* city) and new destination(s) in the midwest/mountain region announced tomorrow.

USA Today:
Will JetBlue Airways focus on a different market in Southern California? CEO Robin Hayes said Tuesday he would reveal the answer “very, very, very, very soon.”

“We will play on our strength as the preferred airline for coast-to-coast travel with new transcon flying from the LA Basin to be announced soon,” Hayes said.

This is interesting. What forum did you hear this from?

IND won't be announced today

I just don't see JetBlue coming to IND. I think they missed their opportunity here.

Indy wrote:

I just don't see JetBlue coming to IND. I think they missed their opportunity here.

At least not to MCO or BOS. Maybe they could make FLL and JFK work on E190's because both have good connection opportunities. I can easily see IND with 1x FLL and 2x JFK.

flymco753 wrote:

Indy wrote:

I just don't see JetBlue coming to IND. I think they missed their opportunity here.

At least not to MCO or BOS. Maybe they could make FLL and JFK work on E190's because both have good connection opportunities. I can easily see IND with 1x FLL and 2x JFK.

It's going to happen probably this year still. BOS is pretty much the only reason they add any midwest cities these days. And i'd imagine JFK/FLL would happen too.

tphuang wrote:

flymco753 wrote:

Indy wrote:

I just don't see JetBlue coming to IND. I think they missed their opportunity here.

At least not to MCO or BOS. Maybe they could make FLL and JFK work on E190's because both have good connection opportunities. I can easily see IND with 1x FLL and 2x JFK.

It's going to happen probably this year still. BOS is pretty much the only reason they add any midwest cities these days. And i'd imagine JFK/FLL would happen too.

They could always add IND-BOS and FLL first if that's the case. They don't fly MCO-CLE, DTW, ORD, or PIT yet so it's hard to imagine MCO would happen soon, if ever.

if JetBlue comes to Indianapolis the best course of action is to do the typical, low hanging fruit grab.

Start with 1 daily each to Ft. Lauderdale and Orlando and see how things go.

stlgph wrote:

if JetBlue comes to Indianapolis the best course of action is to do the typical, low hanging fruit grab.

Start with 1 daily each to Ft. Lauderdale and Orlando and see how things go.

MCO is a no go. Delta, Frontier and Southwest are enough when you compare it with the yields and how much revenue they'd make. MCO would come probably last. Plus there's no room at MCO at this time for B6 to expand any more until C opens.

saying it won't happen because Delta, Frontier, and Southwest are doing it doesn't hold up.

stlgph wrote:

saying it won't happen because Delta, Frontier, and Southwest are doing it doesn't hold up.

In regards to recent additions in the eastern half of the US, B6 has been emphasizing BOS & FLL as priorities. I don't see why they would deviate from that, especially since when they added DTW-BOS, an A320 was added to BOS and FLL was added. CLE got BOS and FLL around the same time, then they ended ORD-SJU to FLL. After that, BNA-BOS/FLL was added. IND would be no different, they'd probably announce BOS/FLL first, and eventually expand to other destinations. In this case; PIT, CLE, DTW, ORD, and BNA would get MCO service before IND. Not to mention, there's literally no room left at Airside 1 for more B6 flights at this time. When they move to C, it'll be likely that Midwest-MCO would happen.

Also, yields on IND-MCO are tremendously low thanks to WN and F9 with G4 going to SFB. There's a decent sized market, but until B6 feels they can tap into it, they will add it, but not in the immediate future.

It was announced today that IND is looking for a first class hotel at the terminal.

http://www.insideindianabusiness.com/st ... -new-hotel

There seems to be an issue with the spot marked for the hotel location. That spot is marked as parking structure (2020) in the midfield terminal plan.

https://www.indairport.org/downloads/mi ... lowres.pdf

At some point IND will need to expand the parking garage. If the hotel goes there then what happens to parking?

Indy wrote:

It was announced today that IND is looking for a first class hotel at the terminal.

http://www.insideindianabusiness.com/st ... -new-hotel

There seems to be an issue with the spot marked for the hotel location. That spot is marked as parking structure (2020) in the midfield terminal plan.

https://www.indairport.org/downloads/mi ... lowres.pdf

At some point IND will need to expand the parking garage. If the hotel goes there then what happens to parking?

I don't think parking will be as big of an issue in the future, the rise of uber and lyft should limit the need for too much new parking

Midwestindy wrote:

I don't think parking will be as big of an issue in the future, the rise of uber and lyft should limit the need for too much new parking

I can see Uber and Lyft reducing demand for long term parking, but I don't think they will do too much to reduce the demand for parking garage spaces. There is something else that should be considered. What is the difference between Uber/Lyft and Yellow Cab? The difference is who owns the cars. Right now the playing field isn't level with cab rates being regulated. At some point this will be corrected. This means Uber and Lyft are one regulation away from becoming irrelevant. Once municipalities start regulating what these "ride share services" charge, their unfair advantage will be gone and so will the industry as a whole. It might be slow to come but the system cannot continue to run as it currently does. I just can't imagine municipalities removing taxi cab regulations. They would be more likely to add them to "ride sharing services". The rates may not be quite as high as what taxi cab drives have to charge, but it will be a whole lot more than what those two companies are charging today.

Let's pretend for a moment that this never happens. Cab services will not survive. Once a company like Yellow Cab is gone, Uber and Lyft will have lost their biggest reason for existing which was going against the high cab fares. With just the two companies left, they will surely start raising their fares and using them will no longer be as cheap as it is today. Whether it be the loss of a company like Yellow Cab or the introduction of new regulations to balance the playing field, the result will be an upward price correction.

The only thing I could see significantly reducing the demand for parking garage space would be the introduction of light rail service to the airport and I don't see that coming in the next 20+ years.

Hi Guys! I was genuinely curious about Indianapolis and the current situation for international flights. I could have sworn that British Airways was going to start a non-stop flight in May from London Heathrow to Indy and vice-versa. I’m still new and trying to learn about being an airliner so bare with me haha. I know Indianapolis is getting the Paris flights in May, but I guess I could be mistaken about the British Airways flight. Thanks in advance!

Nate

NB1231 wrote:

Hi Guys! I was genuinely curious about Indianapolis and the current situation for international flights. I could have sworn that British Airways was going to start a non-stop flight in May from London Heathrow to Indy and vice-versa. I’m still new and trying to learn about being an airliner so bare with me haha. I know Indianapolis is getting the Paris flights in May, but I guess I could be mistaken about the British Airways flight. Thanks in advance!

Nate

Is your question, why did DL start IND-CDG instead of British Airways starting IND-LHR?

Not necessarily, am I just imagining the British Airways starting in Indy? I thought the Indy star posted a story about it, but now I can’t find it. I probably sound a little wacko right now. Figured. Also can anyone give me insight into the CargoLux flights as well? How frequent are they, and would it be easy to see them in daylight? Thanks!

Indy Airport had boosted the dangling carrots when BA was on the prowl for more flights to the U.S. Eventually Indy was passed over for Nashville, New Orleans, Austin, etc.

NB1231 wrote:

Not necessarily, am I just imagining the British Airways starting in Indy? I thought the Indy star posted a story about it, but now I can’t find it. I probably sound a little wacko right now. Figured. Also can anyone give me insight into the CargoLux flights as well? How frequent are they, and would it be easy to see them in daylight? Thanks!

I know the articles you are talking about, It was always a possibility, but then DL came along.

I'm not sure about CargoLux, I think they are 2-4 weekly, you can catch them during the day. Tomorrow you can catch them during the day for example, they have a 4pm departure to LAX

Thanks for your help guys it’s much appreciated! I know DL will be using a 767ER as their plane from CDG-IND, could this possibly ever change? And thank you for the CLX help as well!

Indy wrote:

It was announced today that IND is looking for a first class hotel at the terminal.

http://www.insideindianabusiness.com/st ... -new-hotel

There seems to be an issue with the spot marked for the hotel location. That spot is marked as parking structure (2020) in the midfield terminal plan.

https://www.indairport.org/downloads/mi ... lowres.pdf

At some point IND will need to expand the parking garage. If the hotel goes there then what happens to parking?

I would think that the midfield 2001 master plan is quite out of date now and would be already superseded by what actually came to be built.

SmithAir747

I'm pretty excited about this development. Not only is it a good use of airport land, but 3,000 jobs+visitors has the potential to catalyze the hotel occupancy near the airport

I spoke to someone at the city, and they said a major reason for putting their campus near the airport was that they are expecting a lot of travel in and out of the campus, and they don't want to worry about busing employees, trainees, clients, e.t.c across town.

IND-CDG-BLR is the only one-stop option as well, so the IND-CDG flight should get a boost

SmithAir747 wrote:

I would think that the midfield 2001 master plan is quite out of date now and would be already superseded by what actually came to be built.

SmithAir747

The document may be old, but it does not change the location of the terminal, parking garage, long term parking ATC, access roads, runways, etc. There is only a limited amount of space to expand the parking garage and if you put the hotel where parking was supposed to go, where do you expand to? You can't go up because the tower's view cannot be obstructed. You could rip up some long term parking and put another garage there but then you'll need some kind of a system to get people from the garage to the terminal. You could go below ground but I would think that would be very expensive. A terminal parking garage is one thing you really can't put somewhere else. You can, however, put a hotel somewhere else.

Underground garage for the Hotel?

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Serious question. Is the IAA thinking too short term with some of their recent actions? They are wanting to put a hotel where a future parking garage is supposed to go. They are also giving up over 100 acres of prime airport property for non aviation use. This is land they are never getting back. You have a city that is growing and an airport that is growing. It just seems they aren't thinking 20-40 years down the road with these changes. Maybe that is the norm everywhere when it comes to airports.

Midwestindy wrote:

IND-CDG-BLR is the only one-stop option as well, so the IND-CDG flight should get a boost

Do they have a large Benglaru operation, Infosys?

I wonder which carrier will get the most of the increased traffic. DL?

SumChristianus wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

IND-CDG-BLR is the only one-stop option as well, so the IND-CDG flight should get a boost

Do they have a large Benglaru operation, Infosys?

I wonder which carrier will get the most of the increased traffic. DL?

They have 30,000+ employees at their HQ in Bangalore, plus an additional 100,000 based in India. So I suspect DL will get a bulk of the increased traffic

https://www.ibj.com/articles/68571-term ... ndy-market

“It’s a signal of our confidence in the route,” Delta spokesman Morgan Durrant told IBJ. “We’re confident that it’s going to do well.”

Weekly flights
-Jan-March 3x
-Apr-May 5x
-Jun-Aug 7x
-Sep-Oct 5x
-Nov-Dec 4x

"Though supporting the Paris route is a top priority now, Stone said the airport continues to work on adding additional international flights."

“We’re most definitely working on conversations with other carriers, and not just Europe—Asia, Mexico"

"In May 2016, Delta added nonstop Paris flights at Raleigh/Durham International Airport in North Carolina. Once that flight proved successful, Durrant said, the airline looked at where it might launch similar service. Indianapolis was one of the cities that rose to the top because of its healthy business community, its mix of business and leisure travelers, and the mix of passenger destinations."

"Based on the 211 seats and assuming a seasonally fluctuating schedule of three to seven flights a week, IBJ calculations show Delta would have to fill about 58 percent of available seats in year one and about 52 percent in year two to earn the full incentive amount."

I'm surprised DL would get the full incentive with such low load factors, considering the structure of this deal.

flyPIT wrote:

"Based on the 211 seats and assuming a seasonally fluctuating schedule of three to seven flights a week, IBJ calculations show Delta would have to fill about 58 percent of available seats in year one and about 52 percent in year two to earn the full incentive amount."

I'm surprised DL would get the full incentive with such low load factors, considering the structure of this deal.

I would assume that is close to or at DL's break even load factor they calculated for this route.

I ran the numbers for the first couple weeks of the flight, and the average LF was over 60% even still a month out, the LF for F and Y+ was higher at around 70%

Hell, I figured it would be sold out the 1st month.... does this service looking promising? Will and can IND support this? Honestly.