I have some Int'l O&D data from May 2017-May 2018 to share
Largest EU-IND carriers by market share
1. UA 25% (-6.5%)
2. DL 25% (+3.0%)
3. AA 16% (-1.0%)
4. LH 5% (+0.8%)
5. VS 5% (-0.2%)
Class
First-0.3%
Business-12.4%
Main Cabin-85.6%
?-1.7%
Largest Markets (42,335) -share of EU-IND pax-
1. LHR-IND-21.7%-9,187 pax
2. FRA-IND-11.3%-4,784 pax
3. AMS-IND-7.3%-3,090 pax (fastest growing, grew share by +1.8%)
4. MAN-IND-6.9%-2,921 pax
5. CDG-IND-5.2%-2,201 pax (grew 0.8%)
6. MUC-IND-4.1%-1,736
7. ZRH-IND-3.9%-1,651
8. MAD-IND-2.6%-1,101
9. DUB-IND-2.4%-1,016
10. MXP-IND-2.4%-1,016

Largest IND-EU carriers by Market Share
1. UA 33% (-1.0%)
2. DL 28% (+1.4%)
3. AA 17% (-1.2%)
4. AC 3% (+0.3%)
5. AF 3% (+0.2%)
Class
First-0.2%
Business-11.0%
Main Cabin-85.7%
?-3.1%
Largest Markets (93,561)
1. IND-LHR-18.5%-17,309
2. IND-CDG-7.6%-7,111
3. IND-FCO-7.5%-7,017
4. IND-DUB-6.3%-5,894
5. IND-FRA-6.2%-5,801
6. IND-AMS-4.4%-4,117
7. IND-BCN-4.3%-4,023
8. IND-MUC-3.7%-3,462
9. IND-MAD-3.5%-3,275
10. IND-ZRH-3.4%-3,181
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Largest IND-Asia carriers by market share
1. UA 31% (-5.0%)
2. DL 20% (+0.1%)
3. AA 12% (+0.6%)
4. AC 6% (+1.1%)
5. KE 5% (+0.4%)
Class
First-0.3%
Business-14.8%
Main Cabin-83.0%
?-1.9%
Largest IND-Asia Markets (46,733)
1. IND-PVG-14.4%-6,730
2. IND-NRT-11.3%-5,281
3. IND-PEK-11.0%-5,141
4. IND-ICN-6.4%-2,991
5. IND-HKG-5.0%-2,337
6. IND-DEL-4.3%-2,010
7. IND-BOM-4.2%-1,963
8. IND-HND-3.7%-1,729
9. IND-SYD-3.7%-1,729
10. IND-NGO-3.0%-1,402

Largest Asia-IND Carriers
1. DL 29% (-0.2%)
2. UA 21% (-1.8%)
3. AA 16% (+1.5%)
4. JL 10% (+1.5%)
5. NH 5% (+0.0%)
Class
First-0.3%
Business-15.2%
Main Cabin-83.4%
?-1.1%
Largest Asia-IND Markets (34,283) (+5.9% growth yoy)
1. NRT-IND-21.3%-7,302 (-2.4% of share)
2. PVG-IND-11.3%-3,874
3. NGO-IND-9.3%-3,188
4. ICN-IND-8.5%-2,914
5. PEK-IND-8.2%-2,811
6. HND-IND-5.4%-1,851 (+3.5% of share) More TYO traffic switching over to HND
7. BOM-IND-3.6%-1,234
8. HKG-IND-3.5%-1,200
9. SYD-IND-2.7%-926
10. DEL-IND-2.6%-891

I am surprised United is do strong especially to Europe market share wise

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I’m surprised about that 2-3% of passengers that seem to travel in the cargo hold

What's confusing to me in those numbers is the difference in EU to IND vs. IND to EU. What happens to the 50k or so who leave IND but don't come back???

Wow no wonder Delta was paid a giant incentive to offer CDG. Yeah sure there is much to be served beyond cdg but we all knowO&D is far and away more profitable.

https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... Report.pdf

April numbers are released. If I read the data correctly, it looks like we have 12% growth compared to April 2017. That puts us at a YTD growth (Jan, Feb, Mar, & Apr) of 10.4%. Curious to see how the May, June and July numbers will elevate us.

ibthebigd wrote:

I am surprised United is do strong especially to Europe market share wise

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I believe Lilly and Roche do(did) a large amount of int'l travel on UA. Also, UA is usually the cheapest internationally

Jayafe wrote:

I’m surprised about that 2-3% of passengers that seem to travel in the cargo hold

Hahaha, I don't know why those 2-3% of passengers can't be accounted for. Possibly mileage tickets?

indygs wrote:

What's confusing to me in those numbers is the difference in EU to IND vs. IND to EU. What happens to the 50k or so who leave IND but don't come back???

It's a bit confusing but It based on where the ticket was purchased from. EU-IND is the numbers for the EU based passengers, IND to EU is data for the IND based passenger. Most of the TATL demand originates on the IND end so naturally IND-EU is larger than EU-IND.

ncflyer wrote:

Wow no wonder Delta was paid a giant incentive to offer CDG. Yeah sure there is much to be served beyond cdg but we all knowO&D is far and away more profitable.

I think even if the O&D on the route was 2x stronger, DL could have gotten the state to pony up the same incentives. DL had serious leverage over the airport.

zackary747 wrote:

https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/iaa-images/arts-program/04_Apr-Airline-Activity-Report.pdf

April numbers are released. If I read the data correctly, it looks like we have 12% growth compared to April 2017. That puts us at a YTD growth (Jan, Feb, Mar, & Apr) of 10.4%. Curious to see how the May, June and July numbers will elevate us.

This is what you love to see!
AS-(+100%)
G4-(+54.1%)
J1-(+24.6%)
F9-(+22.6%)
AA-(+11.0%)
DL-(+10.5%)
UA-(+7.1%)

So far IND has now passed PIT and CLE for YTD, but that could possibly change later on in the year

Jshank83 wrote:

zackary747 wrote:

https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/iaa-images/arts-program/04_Apr-Airline-Activity-Report.pdf

April numbers are released. If I read the data correctly, it looks like we have 12% growth compared to April 2017. That puts us at a YTD growth (Jan, Feb, Mar, & Apr) of 10.4%. Curious to see how the May, June and July numbers will elevate us.

I got 10.4% as April and 8.5% year to date. But I also could be reading it wrong. I didn't see a percentage for YTD. I had to divide difference by last year YTD

Yeah, I am starting to second guess now. MidwestIndy, can you look at the data for us and find the growth for April and the YTD total?

I usually read the data correctly, I am just having a massive brain fart.

zackary747 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

zackary747 wrote:

https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/iaa-images/arts-program/04_Apr-Airline-Activity-Report.pdf

April numbers are released. If I read the data correctly, it looks like we have 12% growth compared to April 2017. That puts us at a YTD growth (Jan, Feb, Mar, & Apr) of 10.4%. Curious to see how the May, June and July numbers will elevate us.

I got 10.4% as April and 8.5% year to date. But I also could be reading it wrong. I didn't see a percentage for YTD. I had to divide difference by last year YTD

Yeah, I am starting to second guess now. MidwestIndy, can you look at the data for us and find the growth for April and the YTD total?

I usually read the data correctly, I am just having a massive brain fart.

Jshank83’s numbers are correct. 10.4% for April and 8.5% YTD.

cvgComair wrote:

zackary747 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

I got 10.4% as April and 8.5% year to date. But I also could be reading it wrong. I didn't see a percentage for YTD. I had to divide difference by last year YTD

Yeah, I am starting to second guess now. MidwestIndy, can you look at the data for us and find the growth for April and the YTD total?

I usually read the data correctly, I am just having a massive brain fart.

Jshank83’s numbers are correct. 10.4% for April and 8.5% YTD.

That’s what happens when I read things at 3 AM. Lol.


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Does anyone have the total passenger numbers for these months listed above? So I can see as in

IND?
CLE?
PIT?
CVG?
RDU?

I am just curious is all!

fedex1 wrote:

Does anyone have the total passenger numbers for these months listed above? So I can see as in

IND?
CLE?
PIT?
CVG?
RDU?

I am just curious is all!

Airport: April Pax (% change), YTD Pax (% change)
CMH: 669615 (up 6.3%), 2475780 (up 6.5%)
CVG: 759042 (up 24.2%), 2618169 (up 17.9%)
PIT: 781955 (up 8.5%), 2876935 (up 11.0%)
CLE: 787844 (up 9.0%), 2842610 (up 10.0%)
IND: 796526 (up 10.4%), 2933107 (up 8.5%)
RDU: 1083535 (up 11.7%), 3733641 (up 8.4%)

Wow, great numbers by ALL airports!!! Why so much growth ?!? Is that all of the airports across the United States?

fedex1 wrote:

Wow, great numbers by ALL airports!!! Why so much growth ?!? Is that all of the airports across the United States?

Growth won't continue for too long though. Out of those airports RDU will probably be growing the fastest for the rest of the year, the other airports will level off.

I don't think the growth rate for any of the airports is sustainable. Since it is year over year growth it will probably continue like it is through the end of 2018. The numbers for 2019 will probably be more consistent with earlier years. I think we will see another jump in growth rate when we see May and June numbers released. Maybe we hit 12% and ride that out through the end of 2018 because of all of the flights that were added. Unless we see a number of new flights added late in the year then growth should be fairly limited next year. Adding Asia or an EU LCC would give the numbers a bump next year but I doubt we hit 10% again.

Indy wrote:

I don't think the growth rate for any of the airports is sustainable. Since it is year over year growth it will probably continue like it is through the end of 2018. The numbers for 2019 will probably be more consistent with earlier years. I think we will see another jump in growth rate when we see May and June numbers released. Maybe we hit 12% and ride that out through the end of 2018 because of all of the flights that were added. Unless we see a number of new flights added late in the year then growth should be fairly limited next year. Adding Asia or an EU LCC would give the numbers a bump next year but I doubt we hit 10% again.

We'll see what happens. With regards to IND, I think we will continue to see large growth up until August then growth should begin to level off, to probably around 5%.

On another note I have been watching the new SEA flight and it appears to be off to a good start.
I have been following the route closely, and the inbound flight is exceeding my expectations
Tue 06/19 SEA-IND 8 Seats Left
Wed 06/20 SEA-IND 8 Seats Left
Thu 06/21 SEA-IND 6 Seats Left
Fri 06/22 SEA-IND 1 Seat Left
Sat 06/23 SEA-IND 3 Seats Left
Sun 06/24 SEA-IND Sold out
Mon 06/25 SEA-IND Sold Out
Tue 06/26 SEA-IND 7 Seats Left
Wed 06/27 SEA-IND 3 Seats Left


Also the RDU-IND flights appear to be doing very well
Mon 06/11 RDU-IND 10am Sold Out
Mon 06/11 RDU-IND 3PM Sold Out
Tue 06/12 RDU-IND 3PM Sold Out
Tue 06/12 RDU-IND 10AM 1 Seat Left
Thu 06/14 RDU-IND 10am Sold Out
Thu 06/14 RDU-IND 3pm Sold Out
Fri 06/15 RDU-IND 10am Sold Out
Sun 06/17 RDU-IND Sold Out
Mon 06/18 RDU-IND 3pm 1 Seat Left
Wed 06/20 RDU-IND 10AM 1 Seat Left, 3PM Sold Out
Thu 06/21 RDU-IND 10AM/3PM 3 Seats Left
Fri 06/22 RDU-IND 3PM 5 Seats Left, 10AM Sold Out
Sun 06/24 RDU-IND Sold Out
Mon 06/25 RDU-IND 10AM 2 Seats Left
Tue 06/26 RDU-IND 3PM Sold Out

We won't see a drop to 5% at any point this year. The reason is all of the year round flights that started this year. All of those will boost year over year for every remaining month. The April 10% growth was before the addition of DL to SEA and CDG. What else has started since May 1? Look at everything added since Jan 1. That is what will keep up the numbers through Dec 2018 versus Dec 2017.

Looks like DL501 cancelled today (6/24) and DL is ferrying a 763 from JFK (DL9934) to take DL500 out tonight. I'm guessing they don't open up any seats on those ferry flights so that'll be an empty bird coming in.

I wonder if there's a point at which DL would have looked at bookings on tonight's DL500 and if they were at a certain threshold, just scrapped and rebooked folks?

FWIW, tomorrow's DL500 (Monday night) has 86 open seats. My return Friday has only 46. Would have expected those numbers to be the other way around!

indygs wrote:

Looks like DL501 cancelled today (6/24) and DL is ferrying a 763 from JFK (DL9934) to take DL500 out tonight. I'm guessing they don't open up any seats on those ferry flights so that'll be an empty bird coming in.

I wonder if there's a point at which DL would have looked at bookings on tonight's DL500 and if they were at a certain threshold, just scrapped and rebooked folks?

FWIW, tomorrow's DL500 (Monday night) has 86 open seats. My return Friday has only 46. Would have expected those numbers to be the other way around!

Speaking of the canceled CDG flight here's the schedule for N1604R (Flightradar24)

JUNE 24
DL9934 JFK-IND
DL500 IND-CDG
JUNE 25
DL9860 CDG-IND (I'm assuming one of two reasons of this flight. 1. They're transporting todays passengers on this tomorrow, or 2. This flight is 100 percent cargo that was suppose to come in today?)
DL9931 IND-JFK

Looking at the aircraft that was suppose to fly in today (N155DL), it's not even flying at all today. Perhaps a maintenance reason on why the flight was canceled?

Will DL bring back IND-DFW nonstop service as part of its IND expansion? DL used to serve DFW nonstop from IND back when DL had a hub at DFW.

Quick question, what is the current midfield terminal built for? As in maximum capacity per year. . . ??

fedex1 wrote:

Quick question, what is the current midfield terminal built for? As in maximum capacity per year. . . ??

If airlines used large enough planes, scheduled their flights right, and used all available open time, it could handle a significant amount more than it currently does. But that kind of scheduling doesn't happen at most airports. You'd probably see that at ATL. The problem with IND is that the B concourse is in need of relief and the A concourse is dominated by DL. The B concourse handles a significant amount of passengers more than the A concourse. If A were to handle the same number as B this year we'd probably be looking at 11+ million passengers served. But... we aren't. The issue for IND isn't that it is anywhere near capacity. The problem is that there really isn't space for new airlines and I think some airlines (in B) cannot add gate space for any kind of growth.

DL needs to ramp up service and use the space they have, or they need to give up some gates.

Do we see delta ramping up service? They said they would 6 months ago.... and nothing

Indy wrote:

We won't see a drop to 5% at any point this year. The reason is all of the year round flights that started this year. All of those will boost year over year for every remaining month. The April 10% growth was before the addition of DL to SEA and CDG. What else has started since May 1? Look at everything added since Jan 1. That is what will keep up the numbers through Dec 2018 versus Dec 2017.

AS
+IND-SEA until mid May
+IND-SFO until mid Sep
G4
+IND-AUS until mid May
+IND-VPS until late May
+IND-CHS until November
+IND-SRQ
+Upguages to A320
Growth should start to slow in Fall
AA
+Extra LAX flight (includes months outside of summer increase)
+Mainline ORD
+Late Summer Early Fall upguages to DFW, PHL, e.t.c
DL
+Extra Frequency ATL, JFK
+More mainline MCO, SLC, MSP
+CDG, SEA
F9
-Decrease to DEN, not sure exact frequency reductions
+Increase Frequency to LAS,+AUS, PHL,SAN
+A321 to MCO
J1
+Increase in gauge
WN
-DCA, some reductions to BOS and EWR
+OAK/AUS/CUN
UA
+mainline to IAD, EWR, SFO, ORD

In the grand scheme of things one extra flight to CDG or SEA isn't that significant, you need a lot of other routes increasing as well

Sun Country has a big announcement on Wednesday? Maybe we'll see the action with them? Hopefully?

zackary747 wrote:

Sun Country has a big announcement on Wednesday? Maybe we'll see the action with them? Hopefully?

https://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-New ... un-Country
"Bricker said the carrier would add routes to its some of its existing warm-weather destinations from other midsized Midwest origins, such as Cincinnati, Milwaukee and Indianapolis."

Indy wrote:

DL needs to ramp up service and use the space they have, or they need to give up some gates.

fedex1 wrote:

Do we see delta ramping up service? They said they would 6 months ago.... and nothing

I mean they haven't done nothing. In 2017 they were roughly the exact same size as AA at IND when measured by seat count. Per the full-year OAG schedule currently posted they will have grown 9% YoY in 2018 again measured by seat count whereas AA will have only grown 7%. For the same time period UA have only grown 1% and WN capacity has decreased -4%. That 9% Delta growth far outpaces their system capacity growth and I imagine outpaces all of their hub growth sans SEA.

winginit wrote:

Indy wrote:

DL needs to ramp up service and use the space they have, or they need to give up some gates.

fedex1 wrote:

Do we see delta ramping up service? They said they would 6 months ago.... and nothing

I mean they haven't done nothing. In 2017 they were roughly the exact same size as AA at IND when measured by seat count. Per the full-year OAG schedule currently posted they will have grown 9% YoY in 2018 again measured by seat count whereas AA will have only grown 7%. For the same time period UA have only grown 1% and WN capacity has decreased -4%. That 9% Delta growth far outpaces their system capacity growth and I imagine outpaces all of their hub growth sans SEA.

Do you know the break down by month?

I see DL and AA were up around 11% for April

I just don’t understand why delta would not jump on routes that were rip for picking!

I wish the state airport Republic and Delta would all work together to bring Delta focus city back like the NW days

I thought Republic would be favorable to IND when they owned Frontier but I was wrong

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fedex1 wrote:

I just don’t understand why delta would not jump on routes that were rip for picking!

Delta is waiting on the CSeries. Most of the focus city expansion has been put on hold until they free up additional RJs.

Midwestindy wrote:

Any predictions for WN's schedule extension next week?
I doubt we see anything SAN related.

All I can say is I keep hoping WN will at some point get over their silly seasonality of their IND-SAN service. Therefore, I can say I would love to see them re-start the route in January with this up-coming sked extension. If not, then maybe they’ll at least start it with the next extension that’s effective in March.

There is a degree of seasonality to the IND-SAN market, no question. Here are the DOT pax stats for 2017 for IND-SAN:
1Q17: 128 ave PDEW;
2Q17: 186 ave PDEW;
3Q17: 191 ave PDEW; and
4Q17: 147 ave PDEW.

Obviously the months of Jan-Feb-Mar are significantly lower than Apr thru Sept, with Oct thru Dec somewhere in between. However a PDEW of 128 is not horrible for the dead of winter. I think to support business travel between the 2 cities, it would be perfectly sensible to run the flight year-round. At a minimum, WN should be offering the nonstop from April thru September! (As the numbers show, to run the flight only June thru August is ridiculous.)

And of course now F9 is in the market (I’m sure seasonally) so I find that another factor for WN to declare their dominance in the market by taking it year-round.

bb

Will DL ever bring back IND-DFW nonstop service? DL used to serve DFW nonstop from IND back when it had a hub at DFW, and DL could bring back IND-DFW nonstop service if it plans on adding more nonstop routes out of IND.

SANFan wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

Any predictions for WN's schedule extension next week?
I doubt we see anything SAN related.

All I can say is I keep hoping WN will at some point get over their silly seasonality of their IND-SAN service. Therefore, I can say I would love to see them re-start the route in January with this up-coming sked extension. If not, then maybe they’ll at least start it with the next extension that’s effective in March.

There is a degree of seasonality to the IND-SAN market, no question. Here are the DOT pax stats for 2017 for IND-SAN:
1Q17: 128 ave PDEW;
2Q17: 186 ave PDEW;
3Q17: 191 ave PDEW; and
4Q17: 147 ave PDEW.

Obviously the months of Jan-Feb-Mar are significantly lower than Apr thru Sept, with Oct thru Dec somewhere in between. However a PDEW of 128 is not horrible for the dead of winter. I think to support business travel between the 2 cities, it would be perfectly sensible to run the flight year-round. At a minimum, WN should be offering the nonstop from April thru September! (As the numbers show, to run the flight only June thru August is ridiculous.)

And of course now F9 is in the market (I’m sure seasonally) so I find that another factor for WN to declare their dominance in the market by taking it year-round.

bb

The IND airport director said F9's IND-SAN is all year around.

fedex1 wrote:

I get Delta might be waiting on the C-series, but isn’t the rest of their network waiting on that? So how much would IND see? We are not as important as DTW, ATL, JFK, SEA, MSP, AUS, BOS. . . List could go on. I just think if delta wanted to feel like the hometown airline, as I think some one reported them saying, then why not cherry pick some of the routes that would work!???

Delta does more from IND than they do from AUS. I think you just need to be a little more patient. There's not much Delta can add. LAS, TPA, and some upgages are the only things I can see. PDX would be a wild card. Paris just started 2 months ago and SEA just started. Be patient.

I get Delta might be waiting on the C-series, but isn’t the rest of their network waiting on that? So how much would IND see? We are not as important as DTW, ATL, JFK, SEA, MSP, AUS, BOS. . . List could go on. I just think if delta wanted to feel like the hometown airline, as I think some one reported them saying, then why not cherry pick some of the routes that would work!???

SANFan wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

Any predictions for WN's schedule extension next week?
I doubt we see anything SAN related.

All I can say is I keep hoping WN will at some point get over their silly seasonality of their IND-SAN service. Therefore, I can say I would love to see them re-start the route in January with this up-coming sked extension. If not, then maybe they’ll at least start it with the next extension that’s effective in March.

There is a degree of seasonality to the IND-SAN market, no question. Here are the DOT pax stats for 2017 for IND-SAN:
1Q17: 128 ave PDEW;
2Q17: 186 ave PDEW;
3Q17: 191 ave PDEW; and
4Q17: 147 ave PDEW.

Obviously the months of Jan-Feb-Mar are significantly lower than Apr thru Sept, with Oct thru Dec somewhere in between. However a PDEW of 128 is not horrible for the dead of winter. I think to support business travel between the 2 cities, it would be perfectly sensible to run the flight year-round. At a minimum, WN should be offering the nonstop from April thru September! (As the numbers show, to run the flight only June thru August is ridiculous.)

And of course now F9 is in the market (I’m sure seasonally) so I find that another factor for WN to declare their dominance in the market by taking it year-round.

bb

I couldn't agree more! Too bad IND-DCA is cancelled, a well timed 1stop no plane change SAN-IND-DCA/BOS would help fill the flights in the winter (even though I think there is enough demand already). Furthermore, once HI flights start SAN will make a good connecting point for IND travelers as well. The flights this summer have been extremely full as well, so hopefully F9s move wakes up WN.

Midwestindy wrote:

SANFan wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

Any predictions for WN's schedule extension next week?
I doubt we see anything SAN related.

All I can say is I keep hoping WN will at some point get over their silly seasonality of their IND-SAN service. Therefore, I can say I would love to see them re-start the route in January with this up-coming sked extension. If not, then maybe they’ll at least start it with the next extension that’s effective in March.

There is a degree of seasonality to the IND-SAN market, no question. Here are the DOT pax stats for 2017 for IND-SAN:
1Q17: 128 ave PDEW;
2Q17: 186 ave PDEW;
3Q17: 191 ave PDEW; and
4Q17: 147 ave PDEW.

Obviously the months of Jan-Feb-Mar are significantly lower than Apr thru Sept, with Oct thru Dec somewhere in between. However a PDEW of 128 is not horrible for the dead of winter. I think to support business travel between the 2 cities, it would be perfectly sensible to run the flight year-round. At a minimum, WN should be offering the nonstop from April thru September! (As the numbers show, to run the flight only June thru August is ridiculous.)

And of course now F9 is in the market (I’m sure seasonally) so I find that another factor for WN to declare their dominance in the market by taking it year-round.

bb

I couldn't agree more! Too bad IND-DCA is cancelled, a well timed 1stop no plane change SAN-IND-DCA/BOS would help fill the flights in the winter (even though I think there is enough demand already). Furthermore, once HI flights start SAN will make a good connecting point for IND travelers as well. The flights this summer have been extremely full as well, so hopefully F9s move wakes up WN.

Can't forget the OAK flight will be a great connection for HI flights too.

zackary747 wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

SANFan wrote:

All I can say is I keep hoping WN will at some point get over their silly seasonality of their IND-SAN service. Therefore, I can say I would love to see them re-start the route in January with this up-coming sked extension. If not, then maybe they’ll at least start it with the next extension that’s effective in March.

There is a degree of seasonality to the IND-SAN market, no question. Here are the DOT pax stats for 2017 for IND-SAN:
1Q17: 128 ave PDEW;
2Q17: 186 ave PDEW;
3Q17: 191 ave PDEW; and
4Q17: 147 ave PDEW.

Obviously the months of Jan-Feb-Mar are significantly lower than Apr thru Sept, with Oct thru Dec somewhere in between. However a PDEW of 128 is not horrible for the dead of winter. I think to support business travel between the 2 cities, it would be perfectly sensible to run the flight year-round. At a minimum, WN should be offering the nonstop from April thru September! (As the numbers show, to run the flight only June thru August is ridiculous.)

And of course now F9 is in the market (I’m sure seasonally) so I find that another factor for WN to declare their dominance in the market by taking it year-round.

bb

I couldn't agree more! Too bad IND-DCA is cancelled, a well timed 1stop no plane change SAN-IND-DCA/BOS would help fill the flights in the winter (even though I think there is enough demand already). Furthermore, once HI flights start SAN will make a good connecting point for IND travelers as well. The flights this summer have been extremely full as well, so hopefully F9s move wakes up WN.

Can't forget the OAK flight will be a great connection for HI flights too.

If WN ever gets around to launching them.

Anyone else here relieved that Sun Country did not add IND service?

Indy wrote:

Anyone else here relieved that Sun Country did not add IND service?

Why would you be relieved?

The stunt they pulled where they stranded customers in Mexico. We don't need to invite those kind of problems in here.

Indy wrote:

The stunt they pulled where they stranded customers in Mexico. We don't need to invite those kind of problems in here.

Diversity of carriers is important, I'm sure you could find similar horror stories from G4, F9, NK, or other major carriers in the past 10-20 years.

Indy wrote:

The stunt they pulled where they stranded customers in Mexico. We don't need to invite those kind of problems in here.

I don't know of a single airline that hasn't had some kind of customer service blunder like that. If that's going to be your barometer for who should be "invited" to fly there, IND would be one lonely airport.

Stranding people in the US is one thing. Sttanding them in another country because getting them home is expensive or inconvenient is inexcusable.

Indy wrote:

Stranding people in the US is one thing. Sttanding them in another country because getting them home is expensive or inconvenient is inexcusable.

I was one of the stupidist things I've seen by a US Airline, but at the end of the day people have very short term memory when it comes to these things. Outside of aviation circles (and the people stuck in Mexico) nobody is going to remember this.

Indy wrote:

Stranding people in the US is one thing. Sttanding them in another country because getting them home is expensive or inconvenient is inexcusable.

Indy already is served by Allegient and Frontier. Allegient has been called out for its questionable maintenance record so it's not completely fair to cherry pick airlines based on their worst day. What Sun Country did was horrible but as someone mentioned people won't even remember it in a few years. Sun Country would be a good opportunity for Indy. Medium sized airports can use all the service they can get.

You don't need every cheap airline under the sun. Who remembers the Vision Air mess? Horrible airline.