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zackary747 wrote:Delta added IND-SEA.
Looks like a June 18 start-up. A319 equipment.
https://www.google.com/flights/#search; ... o;s=0;so=t
Midwestindy wrote:zackary747 wrote:Delta added IND-SEA.
Looks like a June 18 start-up. A319 equipment.
https://www.google.com/flights/#search; ... o;s=0;so=t
Wow, I mean I knew it was in the works, but I didn't know it would happen so soon!
Kudos to DL on this one, I'm really impressed with what they have done at IND over the past year. With only their baseline schedule it appears for July that DL will be at around 15% YOY capacity increase which is very solid. Now, IND has service to all the hubs (except CVG for obvious reasons), plus RDU/MCO/RSW/MIA/CUN, and the CDG flight. I'd like to see more p2p from them, but I am sure it is on the way.
zackary747 wrote:Midwestindy wrote:zackary747 wrote:Delta added IND-SEA.
Looks like a June 18 start-up. A319 equipment.
https://www.google.com/flights/#search; ... o;s=0;so=t
Wow, I mean I knew it was in the works, but I didn't know it would happen so soon!
Kudos to DL on this one, I'm really impressed with what they have done at IND over the past year. With only their baseline schedule it appears for July that DL will be at around 15% YOY capacity increase which is very solid. Now, IND has service to all the hubs (except CVG for obvious reasons), plus RDU/MCO/RSW/MIA/CUN, and the CDG flight. I'd like to see more p2p from them, but I am sure it is on the way.
What's weird is that it takes Google Flights around 5 days to pick up the new route(s) off the airlines schedule. So, this was easily added 5 days ago yet nothing was announced. So, do they have more for that reason? (Network wide, not just IND wide.)
Midwestindy wrote:zackary747 wrote:Midwestindy wrote:
Wow, I mean I knew it was in the works, but I didn't know it would happen so soon!
Kudos to DL on this one, I'm really impressed with what they have done at IND over the past year. With only their baseline schedule it appears for July that DL will be at around 15% YOY capacity increase which is very solid. Now, IND has service to all the hubs (except CVG for obvious reasons), plus RDU/MCO/RSW/MIA/CUN, and the CDG flight. I'd like to see more p2p from them, but I am sure it is on the way.
What's weird is that it takes Google Flights around 5 days to pick up the new route(s) off the airlines schedule. So, this was easily added 5 days ago yet nothing was announced. So, do they have more for that reason? (Network wide, not just IND wide.)
Well for G4 and F9 it takes a few days for Google flights to add in the new routes, but for DL/AA/UA it is usually changed within minutes. For example, a few weeks ago I was looking at flights on IND-RDU on a Saturday morning, and DL made a change to the flights while I was on the website, so I went over to Google flights to make sure my eyes weren't deceiving me and Google Flights had already added the change in on their website. So, I assume (maybe wrongfully so) that anything they have added for this week is already in their schedule.
Midwestindy wrote:zackary747 wrote:Delta added IND-SEA.
Looks like a June 18 start-up. A319 equipment.
https://www.google.com/flights/#search; ... o;s=0;so=t
Wow, I mean I knew it was in the works, but I didn't know it would happen so soon!
Kudos to DL on this one, I'm really impressed with what they have done at IND over the past year. With only their baseline schedule it appears for July that DL will be at around 15% YOY capacity increase which is very solid. Now, IND has service to all the hubs (except CVG for obvious reasons), plus RDU/MCO/RSW/MIA/CUN, and the CDG flight. I'd like to see more p2p from them, but I am sure it is on the way.
SumChristianus wrote:Great: SEA demand is very seasonal though; will both DL and AS stick around in winter though?
Do you think they will keep SLC on mainline year round as SEA, as well as MSP and LAX serve generally the same markets via connections beyond.
Maybe I'm just not confident enough in market growth, but I'm a little worried about the sustainability of the flights out of IND.
I just wish UA would be as aggressive as the rest of the carriers out of IND. Besides F9, which is unpredictable, every carrier except UA has been recording great growth from Indianapolis.
SumChristianus wrote:Midwestindy wrote:zackary747 wrote:Delta added IND-SEA.
Looks like a June 18 start-up. A319 equipment.
https://www.google.com/flights/#search; ... o;s=0;so=t
Wow, I mean I knew it was in the works, but I didn't know it would happen so soon!
Kudos to DL on this one, I'm really impressed with what they have done at IND over the past year. With only their baseline schedule it appears for July that DL will be at around 15% YOY capacity increase which is very solid. Now, IND has service to all the hubs (except CVG for obvious reasons), plus RDU/MCO/RSW/MIA/CUN, and the CDG flight. I'd like to see more p2p from them, but I am sure it is on the way.
Great: SEA demand is very seasonal though; will both DL and AS stick around in winter though?
Do you think they will keep SLC on mainline year round as SEA, as well as MSP and LAX serve generally the same markets via connections beyond.
Maybe I'm just not confident enough in market growth, but I'm a little worried about the sustainability of the flights out of IND.
I just wish UA would be as aggressive as the rest of the carriers out of IND. Besides F9, which is unpredictable, every carrier except UA has been recording great growth from Indianapolis.
zackary747 wrote:
What's weird is that it takes Google Flights around 5 days to pick up the new route(s) off the airlines schedule. So, this was easily added 5 days ago yet nothing was announced. So, do they have more for that reason? (Network wide, not just IND wide.)
Jshank83 wrote:zackary747 wrote:
What's weird is that it takes Google Flights around 5 days to pick up the new route(s) off the airlines schedule. So, this was easily added 5 days ago yet nothing was announced. So, do they have more for that reason? (Network wide, not just IND wide.)
From a MCI person, Delta is putting out a press release tomorrow. Kind of strange the routes show up first but whatever.
Indy wrote:Now that DL has added SEA, is there any chance that PDX is next for them? Or is that going to require an airline like Alaska to add the route?
Jshank83 wrote:Indy wrote:Now that DL has added SEA, is there any chance that PDX is next for them? Or is that going to require an airline like Alaska to add the route?
Probably AS, DL only flies to hubs from PDX. They don't even fly to the Bay Area or Chicago from PDX.
Jshank83 wrote:Indy wrote:Now that DL has added SEA, is there any chance that PDX is next for them? Or is that going to require an airline like Alaska to add the route?
Probably AS, DL only flies to hubs from PDX.
Midwestindy wrote:Well they do fly to HNL from there, but DL still doesn't fly PDX-RDU/CVG/BOS. If I was a betting man, I would say LAS/TPA/BDL-IND look like the safest bets if DL is planning any additional routes, followed by AUS/FLL/SAT.
Indy wrote:Jshank83 wrote:Indy wrote:Now that DL has added SEA, is there any chance that PDX is next for them? Or is that going to require an airline like Alaska to add the route?
Probably AS, DL only flies to hubs from PDX. They don't even fly to the Bay Area or Chicago from PDX.
DL has quite a bit of service out of PDX. In addition to SLC, ATL and DTW, they fly to HNL, MEX, LAS, LAX, SEA and one of the NY airports. That doesn't count their Asia and Europe service.
Midwestindy wrote:UA is pretty maxed out at IND, I cant blame them. They admittedly want to add IND-LAX, but that could be a struggle for them
Indy wrote:Midwestindy wrote:Well they do fly to HNL from there, but DL still doesn't fly PDX-RDU/CVG/BOS. If I was a betting man, I would say LAS/TPA/BDL-IND look like the safest bets if DL is planning any additional routes, followed by AUS/FLL/SAT.
I could go along with that. I'd like to see AS pick up PDX and SAN.
jplatts wrote:Midwestindy wrote:UA is pretty maxed out at IND, I cant blame them. They admittedly want to add IND-LAX, but that could be a struggle for them
In addition, IND also already has nonstop service to LAX on AA, DL, and WN.
Midwestindy wrote:Unfortunately I'm not too knowledgeable on AS, but I know it was mentioned in the spotters page that IND said that multiple airlines are looking to put some more routes through Indy, including some longer-haul routes. Plus the fact that it was said last year that Alaska was heavily considering adding an IND-PDX route that would be added sometime in 2018, means that an announcement on PDX should come sooner rather than later.
I don't see SAN-IND being a huge priority for AS, I think WN will probably go daily by the end of this year, and then AS might hop on that route next year.
Maybe we will get more clues tomorrow, if IND puts out a press release for the IND-SEA flight
Indy wrote:SumChristianus wrote:Great: SEA demand is very seasonal though; will both DL and AS stick around in winter though?
Do you think they will keep SLC on mainline year round as SEA, as well as MSP and LAX serve generally the same markets via connections beyond.
Maybe I'm just not confident enough in market growth, but I'm a little worried about the sustainability of the flights out of IND.
I just wish UA would be as aggressive as the rest of the carriers out of IND. Besides F9, which is unpredictable, every carrier except UA has been recording great growth from Indianapolis.
I'm not sure SEA is as seasonal as some might think. I think there is cruise traffic that might be seasonal, but there is a lot of tech business as well as connections to Asia. Plus the nonstop service will likely stimulate additional demand. I believe this new daily year round service should be fine. It might start a little slow (possibly), but there should be enough demand built up to support 2x daily to a market the size and strength of SEA.
Indy wrote:Midwestindy wrote:Unfortunately I'm not too knowledgeable on AS, but I know it was mentioned in the spotters page that IND said that multiple airlines are looking to put some more routes through Indy, including some longer-haul routes. Plus the fact that it was said last year that Alaska was heavily considering adding an IND-PDX route that would be added sometime in 2018, means that an announcement on PDX should come sooner rather than later.
I don't see SAN-IND being a huge priority for AS, I think WN will probably go daily by the end of this year, and then AS might hop on that route next year.
Maybe we will get more clues tomorrow, if IND puts out a press release for the IND-SEA flight
Longer-haul? How much longer can you get when you already fly SFO and SEA? PDX would be on par with those other two routes when it comes to distance. Unless you are thinking of something seasonal to ANC.
indygs wrote:I think the real reason DL is on the IND-SEA route now is AS. Just look at the fares right now--DL is low-balling AS significantly and because of a much larger network, they have the ability to take that tact. AS, on the other hand, is a relatively new entrant to the market (if you're IND based) and has 1x to SEA and 1x to SFO. If you're a frequent flier that ever heads East, you'll want to give your $$ to an airline that can give you a bit more when it comes to options.
Similarly, AS would have incentive to add more IND-based routes to try and build a base of loyal flyers in IND on its own. This is where it gets tough, I think, because in a way they're sandwiched in between DL and WN. They could add PDX (DL could retaliate) and SAN (WN might retaliate) but then where would they go?
I love having AS at IND and I really hope that DL's service (and the retaliation to me is ever so evident just in the timing of the flight) helps complement, not cannibalize, AS and the early success they've enjoyed.
IndyHoosier wrote:Indy wrote:SumChristianus wrote:Great: SEA demand is very seasonal though; will both DL and AS stick around in winter though?
Do you think they will keep SLC on mainline year round as SEA, as well as MSP and LAX serve generally the same markets via connections beyond.
Maybe I'm just not confident enough in market growth, but I'm a little worried about the sustainability of the flights out of IND.
I just wish UA would be as aggressive as the rest of the carriers out of IND. Besides F9, which is unpredictable, every carrier except UA has been recording great growth from Indianapolis.
I'm not sure SEA is as seasonal as some might think. I think there is cruise traffic that might be seasonal, but there is a lot of tech business as well as connections to Asia. Plus the nonstop service will likely stimulate additional demand. I believe this new daily year round service should be fine. It might start a little slow (possibly), but there should be enough demand built up to support 2x daily to a market the size and strength of SEA.
The DL IND-SEA flight is an evening flight that isn't timed for Asian connections. I wonder why they didn't go with a morning flight.
Midwestindy wrote:AS has a partnership with AA, so any AA FFs get miles if they fly on AS.
SumChristianus wrote:
IND-MDW was at 3x day on WN earlier this month, but appears back at 2x
Jshank83 wrote:SumChristianus wrote:
IND-MDW was at 3x day on WN earlier this month, but appears back at 2x
I had no clue this is all they ran to mdw. I just assumed it was at least 4x daily.
I also didn't realize they aren't running MCI-IND on Saturdays either.
Surprises me a little. Not that it is a far drive to Chicago, I just figured they would run more through there.
Midwestindy wrote:http://s1.q4cdn.com/231238688/files/doc_presentations/2017/Delta-Air-Lines-Q4-2017-Earnings-Call-Transcript.pdf
According to the Q4 earnings call for DL, they are trying to get rid of fleet complexity in their network (notably non-hub stations). So expect to see most if not all the mainline flying after the summer, other than CDG, to be on an A319, B737ER, B717, or MD88(only to ATL, all the MD88s will be based in ATL soon), rather than MD90s, A320s, 757s, e.t.c
Also, expect to see more point-to-point service added from DL to further bolster the CDG flight...
FLYKTPA wrote:Midwestindy wrote:http://s1.q4cdn.com/231238688/files/doc_presentations/2017/Delta-Air-Lines-Q4-2017-Earnings-Call-Transcript.pdf
According to the Q4 earnings call for DL, they are trying to get rid of fleet complexity in their network (notably non-hub stations). So expect to see most if not all the mainline flying after the summer, other than CDG, to be on an A319, B737ER, B717, or MD88(only to ATL, all the MD88s will be based in ATL soon), rather than MD90s, A320s, 757s, e.t.c
Also, expect to see more point-to-point service added from DL to further bolster the CDG flight...
I would love to see DL add IND-TPA daily on a 717 or CRJ 900.
Indy wrote:This relates to IND because it would mean a big service boost..... Indianapolis was named a finalist in the battle to land Amazon's HQ2.
fedex1 wrote:What service would be added IF, I said IF Indianapolis was to land Amazon HQ2. . . ?
fedex1 wrote:Don’t forget Amazon has a huge facility in Whitestown employes a couple thousand people....
ADrum23 wrote:fedex1 wrote:Don’t forget Amazon has a huge facility in Whitestown employes a couple thousand people....
Nashville does as well via suburban Murfreesboro. Amazon has a fair amount of distribution centers in a lot of the finalist cities, I don't think that will be an overriding factor one way or another.
fedex1 wrote:What service would be added IF, I said IF Indianapolis was to land Amazon HQ2. . . ?
Indy wrote:It really depends on Amazon corporate travel tendencies. If they do a lot of travel, this could be enough to put IND over the hump and land service to NRT or some other Asian hub. There is already a decent amount of travel between central Indiana and Asia. Maybe someone can chime in with the Asia numbers.