fedex1 wrote:So they should really only have what 3-5 gates?!?
Not necessarily, but I think they could pretty comfortably fit their operation into 7-8 gates, considering they are at around 40 departures per day.
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fedex1 wrote:So they should really only have what 3-5 gates?!?
fedex1 wrote:Wasn’t NW around 62 dailies?!? At peak focus city days?!?
Midwestindy wrote:fedex1 wrote:Wasn’t NW around 62 dailies?!? At peak focus city days?!?
Maybe, I thought they were always under 60 daily departures
indygs wrote:http://www.insideindianabusiness.com/story/37979833/anticipation-grows-for-indy-to-paris-flight
Is the CDG flight down to 3x per week anywhere in the schedule? I can't see where this happens.
Speaking to Inside Indiana Business from an economic development trip in France, Krauss said the focus right now is on sustaining and growing the Paris flight. "I think it's really important that we get the Indy-Paris flight going and get it populated and expand it to daily. That would be the first goal. I believe that once people are aware it's there and as we continue to increase connections of our businesses in both locations, the demand will increase."
SumChristianus wrote:It's daily already in the summer:Speaking to Inside Indiana Business from an economic development trip in France, Krauss said the focus right now is on sustaining and growing the Paris flight. "I think it's really important that we get the Indy-Paris flight going and get it populated and expand it to daily. That would be the first goal. I believe that once people are aware it's there and as we continue to increase connections of our businesses in both locations, the demand will increase."
So does she mean daily year round? Are their load/yield concerns? I thought it was doing well.
https://www.ibj.com/articles/68265-how-well-does-indy-rate-on-amazons-scorecard-for-hq2
Next to the airport, that might be interesting...and a good choice for them...but haven't heard much about Amazon in a while.
IBJ said SEA had 3 daily flights now, guess that was an error (only in the print edition) was corrected here. I looked through the schedule for a while trying to find it.
SumChristianus wrote:It's daily already in the summer:Speaking to Inside Indiana Business from an economic development trip in France, Krauss said the focus right now is on sustaining and growing the Paris flight. "I think it's really important that we get the Indy-Paris flight going and get it populated and expand it to daily. That would be the first goal. I believe that once people are aware it's there and as we continue to increase connections of our businesses in both locations, the demand will increase."
So does she mean daily year round? Are their load/yield concerns? I thought it was doing well.
fedex1 wrote:Ok, so is truly the route selling decent????
fedex1 wrote:Or is it a tactic to make the market look like we ( IND ) can have a year round CDG-IND. flight?
fedex1 wrote:Ok, so is truly the route selling decent???? Or is it a tactic to make the market look like we ( IND ) can have a year round CDG-IND. flight?
Can we see this going daily year round? What about upgrades? Or hell no to both?! I am just asking questions.....
cvgComair wrote:fedex1 wrote:Ok, so is truly the route selling decent???? Or is it a tactic to make the market look like we ( IND ) can have a year round CDG-IND. flight?
Can we see this going daily year round? What about upgrades? Or hell no to both?! I am just asking questions.....
I would say no to both. I could see the winter going up to 5x/wk, but certainly not daily. SLC-CDG isn't even daily during the winter. As for upguages, I would say probably not, especially since BOS/CVG/SLC/PIT/RDU-CDG operate with 763's and I can't see IND-CDG doing remarkably better than these routes.
Midwestindy wrote:cvgComair wrote:fedex1 wrote:Ok, so is truly the route selling decent???? Or is it a tactic to make the market look like we ( IND ) can have a year round CDG-IND. flight?
Can we see this going daily year round? What about upgrades? Or hell no to both?! I am just asking questions.....
I would say no to both. I could see the winter going up to 5x/wk, but certainly not daily. SLC-CDG isn't even daily during the winter. As for upguages, I would say probably not, especially since BOS/CVG/SLC/PIT/RDU-CDG operate with 763's and I can't see IND-CDG doing remarkably better than these routes.
With regards to upguages, while not imminent, the 763s are on their way out the door, so if the route continues DL will eventually have to substitute the 763 with an a/c that will likely be larger.
cvgComair wrote:Midwestindy wrote:cvgComair wrote:I would say no to both. I could see the winter going up to 5x/wk, but certainly not daily. SLC-CDG isn't even daily during the winter. As for upguages, I would say probably not, especially since BOS/CVG/SLC/PIT/RDU-CDG operate with 763's and I can't see IND-CDG doing remarkably better than these routes.
With regards to upguages, while not imminent, the 763s are on their way out the door, so if the route continues DL will eventually have to substitute the 763 with an a/c that will likely be larger.
My guess is the PTP Europe routes are going to be some of the first to get the "797" or whatever replaces the 763's. Since they aren't ordering the A330-800 and have few A330-200's, the next smallest plane in DL's fleet would be the 777 at 291 seats and the A333 at 293 seats, which is way too much IMO for many of DL's TATL routes.
Indy wrote:I'm still waiting on any kind of update from FedEx. They make the big $1.5 billion dollar announcement with few details and have said pretty much nothing else about it ever since. Right now I am wondering if this was nothing more than a PR stunt. Has anyone seen anything that leads you to believe FX is really moving forwards with such a massive expansion?
Indy wrote:I'm still waiting on any kind of update from FedEx. They make the big $1.5 billion dollar announcement with few details and have said pretty much nothing else about it ever since. Right now I am wondering if this was nothing more than a PR stunt. Has anyone seen anything that leads you to believe FX is really moving forwards with such a massive expansion?
ADrum23 wrote:cvgComair wrote:Midwestindy wrote:
With regards to upguages, while not imminent, the 763s are on their way out the door, so if the route continues DL will eventually have to substitute the 763 with an a/c that will likely be larger.
My guess is the PTP Europe routes are going to be some of the first to get the "797" or whatever replaces the 763's. Since they aren't ordering the A330-800 and have few A330-200's, the next smallest plane in DL's fleet would be the 777 at 291 seats and the A333 at 293 seats, which is way too much IMO for many of DL's TATL routes.
This is where the 788's could have come in handy for DL. I am still puzzled why they won't order any Dreamliners, they'd be perfect for their TATL routes. They should negotiate a new order for some 788's to replace the 763's (especially since Boeing is dragging their feet on the 797).
fedex1 wrote:So how big will FedEx make IND? After this expansion what? In terms of this expansion, how does that compare to other airports with cargo?
Midwestindy wrote:Pax numbers from February and January are up
https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... Report.pdf
https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... Report.pdf
January had 7.5% growth
F9: 43%
G4: 27%
AC: 2.6%
AA: 4%
DL: 2.9%
WN: 6.3%
UA: 0.2%
February had 8.0% growth
AC: 14.9%
G4: 42.3%
AA: 8.6%
DL: 6.1%
F9: 40%
WN: 3.4%
UA: -7.1%
Cargo is up 5.3% YTD
Indy wrote:Midwestindy wrote:Pax numbers from February and January are up
https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... Report.pdf
https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... Report.pdf
January had 7.5% growth
UA: 0.2%
February had 8.0% growth
UA: -7.1%
With UA doing so poorly, is there any risk of them pulling out? Or are there numbers, despite being poor, still good enough to turn a profit here?
Indy wrote:Midwestindy wrote:Pax numbers from February and January are up
https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... Report.pdf
https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... Report.pdf
January had 7.5% growth
F9: 43%
G4: 27%
AC: 2.6%
AA: 4%
DL: 2.9%
WN: 6.3%
UA: 0.2%
February had 8.0% growth
AC: 14.9%
G4: 42.3%
AA: 8.6%
DL: 6.1%
F9: 40%
WN: 3.4%
UA: -7.1%
Cargo is up 5.3% YTD
With UA doing so poorly, is there any risk of them pulling out? Or are there numbers, despite being poor, still good enough to turn a profit here?
fedex1 wrote:Delta moved less pax than American??
fedex1 wrote:Think IND will hit 9.5 million served this year?
fedex1 wrote:American at peak is at 50 daily departures? Wow. Never knew that!
Indy wrote:Midwestindy wrote:Pax numbers from February and January are up
https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... Report.pdf
https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... Report.pdf
January had 7.5% growth
F9: 43%
G4: 27%
AC: 2.6%
AA: 4%
DL: 2.9%
WN: 6.3%
UA: 0.2%
February had 8.0% growth
AC: 14.9%
G4: 42.3%
AA: 8.6%
DL: 6.1%
F9: 40%
WN: 3.4%
UA: -7.1%
Cargo is up 5.3% YTD
With UA doing so poorly, is there any risk of them pulling out? Or are there numbers, despite being poor, still good enough to turn a profit here?
zackary747 wrote:Indy wrote:Midwestindy wrote:Pax numbers from February and January are up
https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... Report.pdf
https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... Report.pdf
January had 7.5% growth
F9: 43%
G4: 27%
AC: 2.6%
AA: 4%
DL: 2.9%
WN: 6.3%
UA: 0.2%
February had 8.0% growth
AC: 14.9%
G4: 42.3%
AA: 8.6%
DL: 6.1%
F9: 40%
WN: 3.4%
UA: -7.1%
Cargo is up 5.3% YTD
With UA doing so poorly, is there any risk of them pulling out? Or are there numbers, despite being poor, still good enough to turn a profit here?
1. IND is in a metropolitan area with 2 million people. A legacy carrier would NEVER pull out of a market of our size. To even think that is ridiculous.
2. Put the data into perspective. DEN and IAH went regional for the most part and there's a battle on SFO. We're not the only market with a battle on SFO, too. Legacy carriers also don't cave into the lost cost competition, especially at a hub.... Those things alone will kind of skew data a little bit. Also, it's just one month. You can't freak out and hop on the pessimistic train because of one negative statistic. You have to think, ask questions, look at all data, and put it into perspective by looking at the situation.
Midwestindy wrote:fedex1 wrote:American at peak is at 50 daily departures? Wow. Never knew that!
Close to it! The highest I have seen is 48, but most days are at 46
Indy wrote:zackary747 wrote:Indy wrote:
With UA doing so poorly, is there any risk of them pulling out? Or are there numbers, despite being poor, still good enough to turn a profit here?
1. IND is in a metropolitan area with 2 million people. A legacy carrier would NEVER pull out of a market of our size. To even think that is ridiculous.
2. Put the data into perspective. DEN and IAH went regional for the most part and there's a battle on SFO. We're not the only market with a battle on SFO, too. Legacy carriers also don't cave into the lost cost competition, especially at a hub.... Those things alone will kind of skew data a little bit. Also, it's just one month. You can't freak out and hop on the pessimistic train because of one negative statistic. You have to think, ask questions, look at all data, and put it into perspective by looking at the situation.
I didn't freak out. I asked a simple question. Honestly, your reply is more of a freak out. UA has never really shown much of a commitment to IND. Their service here is pretty bare bones. I never underestimate the ability of an airline to make a bonehead move like hanging on to a bad station far too long and losing good money over bad, or allowing good opportunities to pass them up because they are stuck in their ways.
Does anyone know the profitability of the IND station for UA? No speculation. Just facts.
Indy wrote:Midwestindy wrote:Pax numbers from February and January are up
https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... Report.pdf
https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... Report.pdf
January had 7.5% growth
F9: 43%
G4: 27%
AC: 2.6%
AA: 4%
DL: 2.9%
WN: 6.3%
UA: 0.2%
February had 8.0% growth
AC: 14.9%
G4: 42.3%
AA: 8.6%
DL: 6.1%
F9: 40%
WN: 3.4%
UA: -7.1%
Cargo is up 5.3% YTD
With UA doing so poorly, is there any risk of them pulling out? Or are there numbers, despite being poor, still good enough to turn a profit here?
Indy wrote:zackary747 wrote:Indy wrote:
With UA doing so poorly, is there any risk of them pulling out? Or are there numbers, despite being poor, still good enough to turn a profit here?
1. IND is in a metropolitan area with 2 million people. A legacy carrier would NEVER pull out of a market of our size. To even think that is ridiculous.
2. Put the data into perspective. DEN and IAH went regional for the most part and there's a battle on SFO. We're not the only market with a battle on SFO, too. Legacy carriers also don't cave into the lost cost competition, especially at a hub.... Those things alone will kind of skew data a little bit. Also, it's just one month. You can't freak out and hop on the pessimistic train because of one negative statistic. You have to think, ask questions, look at all data, and put it into perspective by looking at the situation.
I didn't freak out. I asked a simple question. Honestly, your reply is more of a freak out. UA has never really shown much of a commitment to IND. Their service here is pretty bare bones. I never underestimate the ability of an airline to make a bonehead move like hanging on to a bad station far too long and losing good money over bad, or allowing good opportunities to pass them up because they are stuck in their ways.
Does anyone know the profitability of the IND station for UA? No speculation. Just facts.
LupineChemist wrote:With that many AA pax, an Admirals Club would be nice.
flyboy80 wrote:In terms of mainline flights I believe Delta has at least double the amount of either AA or UA at IND.
fedex1 wrote:Double the amount of mainline, but less pax than AA?
IndyHoosier wrote:Bare bones? That's quite a bit of hyperbole. They fly to all of their hubs from IND, except for LAX (which has 3 other airlines flying the route). They fly twice a day to SFO, when many other cities don't even have a single flight. Their capacity in IND is in line with the size of the market. I'm not quite sure what else you expect from them.
fedex1 wrote:How many daily departures does Southwest have at IND?
I saw in STL, Southwest has 111? Daily departures... wow.
Indy wrote:IndyHoosier wrote:Bare bones? That's quite a bit of hyperbole. They fly to all of their hubs from IND, except for LAX (which has 3 other airlines flying the route). They fly twice a day to SFO, when many other cities don't even have a single flight. Their capacity in IND is in line with the size of the market. I'm not quite sure what else you expect from them.
Yes... bare bones. And congrats on using your Word a Day calendar. They do two mainline flights a day to SFO and 1 a day to ORD. Where else? They are pretty much all RJ service to IND. That is pretty bare bones. Roughly 10% of their flights are mainline.
Midwestindy wrote:Meh, I think you are asking for too much from UA considering they are a distant fourth at IND. They offer Mainline to ORD, DEN, SFO, IAH, and EWR, the only destination they don't have mainline to is IAD, so I would say it isn't that bad. Compare it to UA at CMH, CVG, MKE, STL, e.t.c and IND is about equal