Midwestindy wrote:

fedex1 wrote:

Obviously something is filling the belly, and it isn’t just cargo, so obviously it isn’t so large that GE is only using Fedex, for the CDG flight, in which Fedex flights nightly. I would say there is plenty of cargo filling the 767 pax flight. I worked at Fedex, back in 2003-06 and a lot has changed since then, but I was on the flight crew. We had CDG then. I am sure GE is onboard in the belly of Delta CDG flight. I’m sure someone knows more . What’s making the flight profitable?? Besides the subsidies. Obviously.

I took the IND-CDG flight a while back and I saw a large amount of cargo loaded onto the plane. I couldn't tell what was being loaded since it was covered under some kind of tarp, but there were around 8-12 people working around it so I assume it was something(s) that was important.

fedex1 wrote:

So the runway might be built by 2027. . . I would think that service would hurt Delta CDG flight for sure. ☹️

fedex1 wrote:

Then why in the world did BA not come when the state / airport was giving a incentive when Delta took the chance. Hell PIT has what (4) markets? The logic isn’t making sense to me, if there was that much demand, why did BA jump on the chance backed by a (2) year deal? I once again know nothing. Thank you Delta for giving IND a shot?

Midwestindy wrote:

fedex1 wrote:

Then why in the world did BA not come when the state / airport was giving a incentive when Delta took the chance. Hell PIT has what (4) markets? The logic isn’t making sense to me, if there was that much demand, why did BA jump on the chance backed by a (2) year deal? I once again know nothing. Thank you Delta for giving IND a shot?

I have no idea what went on behind the scenes, but my guess is that DL tried to work out a deal before BA hopped in the market. DL's goal is to try and be the #1 carrier out of IND, if BA would have added IND-LHR first it would have been hard for DL to lock up the market. DL adding IND-CDG plus increased service to major business markets JFK, ATL, SEA, e.t.c gives DL a significant advantage over AA, and is what allows DL to keep a premium to most major markets from IND.

jplatts wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

fedex1 wrote:

Then why in the world did BA not come when the state / airport was giving a incentive when Delta took the chance. Hell PIT has what (4) markets? The logic isn’t making sense to me, if there was that much demand, why did BA jump on the chance backed by a (2) year deal? I once again know nothing. Thank you Delta for giving IND a shot?

I have no idea what went on behind the scenes, but my guess is that DL tried to work out a deal before BA hopped in the market. DL's goal is to try and be the #1 carrier out of IND, if BA would have added IND-LHR first it would have been hard for DL to lock up the market. DL adding IND-CDG plus increased service to major business markets JFK, ATL, SEA, e.t.c gives DL a significant advantage over AA, and is what allows DL to keep a premium to most major markets from IND.

CVG is the only DL hub or focus city airport that isn't currently served nonstop from IND, but IND is too close to CVG for DL to continue serving CVG nonstop from IND. DL has also significantly downsized its CVG operation since the DL-NW merger.

There are some East Coast destinations such as BWI, CLT, FLL, RSW, BDL, EWR, PHL, TPA, and DCA that DL doesn't currently serve nonstop from IND and that are still served nonstop from CVG on DL. However, IND already has nonstop service to BWI, CLT, FLL, RSW, EWR, PHL, TPA, and DCA on other airlines, and BDL is currently the only destination with nonstop service out of CVG on DL that isn't currently served nonstop from IND on any airline. EWR is also in the same market as DL's LGA and JFK hubs, and DL already serves both LGA and JFK nonstop from IND.

While DL doesn't serve BWI, CLT, FLL, RSW, BDL, EWR, PHL, TPA, and DCA nonstop from IND, DL can connect passengers to these destinations from IND through its DTW or ATL hubs.

Will DL add nonstop service to additional East Coast destinations such as BWI, CLT, BDL, PHL, and DCA out of IND in the near future?

Midwestindy wrote:

jplatts wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

I have no idea what went on behind the scenes, but my guess is that DL tried to work out a deal before BA hopped in the market. DL's goal is to try and be the #1 carrier out of IND, if BA would have added IND-LHR first it would have been hard for DL to lock up the market. DL adding IND-CDG plus increased service to major business markets JFK, ATL, SEA, e.t.c gives DL a significant advantage over AA, and is what allows DL to keep a premium to most major markets from IND.

CVG is the only DL hub or focus city airport that isn't currently served nonstop from IND, but IND is too close to CVG for DL to continue serving CVG nonstop from IND. DL has also significantly downsized its CVG operation since the DL-NW merger.

There are some East Coast destinations such as BWI, CLT, FLL, RSW, BDL, EWR, PHL, TPA, and DCA that DL doesn't currently serve nonstop from IND and that are still served nonstop from CVG on DL. However, IND already has nonstop service to BWI, CLT, FLL, RSW, EWR, PHL, TPA, and DCA on other airlines, and BDL is currently the only destination with nonstop service out of CVG on DL that isn't currently served nonstop from IND on any airline. EWR is also in the same market as DL's LGA and JFK hubs, and DL already serves both LGA and JFK nonstop from IND.

While DL doesn't serve BWI, CLT, FLL, RSW, BDL, EWR, PHL, TPA, and DCA nonstop from IND, DL can connect passengers to these destinations from IND through its DTW or ATL hubs.

Will DL add nonstop service to additional East Coast destinations such as BWI, CLT, BDL, PHL, and DCA out of IND in the near future?

DL already serves RSW from IND. However, don't be surprised if DL adds a couple of those routes mentioned above

ADrum23 wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

jplatts wrote:

CVG is the only DL hub or focus city airport that isn't currently served nonstop from IND, but IND is too close to CVG for DL to continue serving CVG nonstop from IND. DL has also significantly downsized its CVG operation since the DL-NW merger.

There are some East Coast destinations such as BWI, CLT, FLL, RSW, BDL, EWR, PHL, TPA, and DCA that DL doesn't currently serve nonstop from IND and that are still served nonstop from CVG on DL. However, IND already has nonstop service to BWI, CLT, FLL, RSW, EWR, PHL, TPA, and DCA on other airlines, and BDL is currently the only destination with nonstop service out of CVG on DL that isn't currently served nonstop from IND on any airline. EWR is also in the same market as DL's LGA and JFK hubs, and DL already serves both LGA and JFK nonstop from IND.

While DL doesn't serve BWI, CLT, FLL, RSW, BDL, EWR, PHL, TPA, and DCA nonstop from IND, DL can connect passengers to these destinations from IND through its DTW or ATL hubs.

Will DL add nonstop service to additional East Coast destinations such as BWI, CLT, BDL, PHL, and DCA out of IND in the near future?

DL already serves RSW from IND. However, don't be surprised if DL adds a couple of those routes mentioned above

I'd like to know what DL's long term plan is for IND, if they have any. On paper, IND is a prime candidate for a focus city operation, but nearby CVG already is one, and even though DL is very profitable, they can't spread their resources too thin.

Midwestindy wrote:

ADrum23 wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

DL already serves RSW from IND. However, don't be surprised if DL adds a couple of those routes mentioned above

I'd like to know what DL's long term plan is for IND, if they have any. On paper, IND is a prime candidate for a focus city operation, but nearby CVG already is one, and even though DL is very profitable, they can't spread their resources too thin.

Without specifics, continued growth for the next 2 years including new destinations, upguaging, and some A220 flying.

ibthebigd wrote:

Hope some A220 flying is to the west coast

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ADrum23 wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

ADrum23 wrote:

I'd like to know what DL's long term plan is for IND, if they have any. On paper, IND is a prime candidate for a focus city operation, but nearby CVG already is one, and even though DL is very profitable, they can't spread their resources too thin.

Without specifics, continued growth for the next 2 years including new destinations, upguaging, and some A220 flying.

But is a formal focus city designation in the future?

ibthebigd wrote:

Wouldn't an A330 be to big and the 767 would be stretching its range?

Delta dropped the ball on the 787

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floridaflyboy wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

https://www.planetbids.com/portal/portal.cfm?CompanyID=32621

It looks like a parking garage expansion is in the works, not sure how large the expansion will be though. I mostly take Lyft to the airport, but when I drive I don't usually have trouble finding parking.

Also I don't think there is room to expand the parking garage unless they build up

It's really common for the garage to fill up during peak travel periods. In fact, a few times this year, I've seen it fill up even on non-peak travel days (I work on site). A garage expansion is desperately needed.

If they don't build up, they could easily put a parking deck between the current one and the park & walk/employee lot The way the ramps on that side of the garage are set up, it would be fairly easy to combine the entrances to each as just a left turn or right turn at the locations where there are entrances to the current garage.

GSOtoIND wrote:

floridaflyboy wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

https://www.planetbids.com/portal/portal.cfm?CompanyID=32621

It looks like a parking garage expansion is in the works, not sure how large the expansion will be though. I mostly take Lyft to the airport, but when I drive I don't usually have trouble finding parking.

Also I don't think there is room to expand the parking garage unless they build up

It's really common for the garage to fill up during peak travel periods. In fact, a few times this year, I've seen it fill up even on non-peak travel days (I work on site). A garage expansion is desperately needed.

If they don't build up, they could easily put a parking deck between the current one and the park & walk/employee lot The way the ramps on that side of the garage are set up, it would be fairly easy to combine the entrances to each as just a left turn or right turn at the locations where there are entrances to the current garage.

They've needed more garage space for a while now. It fills up on most Wednesdays, particularly as it gets closer to winter. The park & walk lot was a band-aid fix. Regardless, there's a lot of things going on in the garage this summer. They're doing expansion joint replacements right now, as well as some extended maintenance on the elevators. They also appear to be doing something to the 3rd floor moving walkways that have seemingly been broken since the airport opened. Dension took over the valet parking contract on June 1st, so that's another new change. I heard the garage expansion and hotel will be done by 2022.

Midwestindy wrote:

GSOtoIND wrote:

floridaflyboy wrote:

It's really common for the garage to fill up during peak travel periods. In fact, a few times this year, I've seen it fill up even on non-peak travel days (I work on site). A garage expansion is desperately needed.

If they don't build up, they could easily put a parking deck between the current one and the park & walk/employee lot The way the ramps on that side of the garage are set up, it would be fairly easy to combine the entrances to each as just a left turn or right turn at the locations where there are entrances to the current garage.

They've needed more garage space for a while now. It fills up on most Wednesdays, particularly as it gets closer to winter. The park & walk lot was a band-aid fix. Regardless, there's a lot of things going on in the garage this summer. They're doing expansion joint replacements right now, as well as some extended maintenance on the elevators. They also appear to be doing something to the 3rd floor moving walkways that have seemingly been broken since the airport opened. Dension took over the valet parking contract on June 1st, so that's another new change. I heard the garage expansion and hotel will be done by 2022.

Any idea what the garage expansion will entail? more floors/levels?

Welcome to a.net by the way!

ibthebigd wrote:

Any word on a rental car facility to free up garage space?

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GSOtoIND wrote:

Has anyone ever been to an IAA board meeting? I believe there's one this week or next and they're open to the public.

GSOtoIND wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

GSOtoIND wrote:

They've needed more garage space for a while now. It fills up on most Wednesdays, particularly as it gets closer to winter. The park & walk lot was a band-aid fix. Regardless, there's a lot of things going on in the garage this summer. They're doing expansion joint replacements right now, as well as some extended maintenance on the elevators. They also appear to be doing something to the 3rd floor moving walkways that have seemingly been broken since the airport opened. Dension took over the valet parking contract on June 1st, so that's another new change. I heard the garage expansion and hotel will be done by 2022.

Any idea what the garage expansion will entail? more floors/levels?

Welcome to a.net by the way!

My best guess is that they'd keep the existing helixes and access roads and expand the garage into the space between the existing garage and the employee lot. I don't think the existing garage pillars were designed to support extra floors. I think they're better off putting the hotel in the employee lot between the garage and the tower. The lot is unnecessarily large as-is.
Has anyone ever been to an IAA board meeting? I believe there's one this week or next and they're open to the public.

GSOtoIND wrote:

ibthebigd wrote:

Any word on a rental car facility to free up garage space?

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What we have now is the rental car facility. The contracts are up in a few months, so I suppose now would be the time to plan any changes. (The next 6 months could be interesting, as all the initial contracts for the midfield terminal had 10-year terms, so we could see some gate changes as well.)

Midwestindy wrote:

Just some food for thought:
https://www.oag.com/hubfs/Free_Reports/ ... 8ee2b0afdc
OAG identified CVG, PIT(just got service), STL, and IND as US markets that could receive service to LHR due to proven demand to London

Midwestindy wrote:

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2018/08/15/indianapolis-airport-teases-new-european-flights-rider-numbers-soar/987328002/
Airport is teasing again:
But Mario Rodriguez, executive director of the Indianapolis Airport Authority, said airport leaders don't intend to rest on the laurels of a second quarter that added three new nonstop destinations, including the first nonstop transatlantic flight to Paris.

Instead, he urged riders to be on the lookout for new flight announcements and an ongoing effort to the make the Indianapolis airport the best place to have a layover.

"We just announced a new nonstop to San Diego. We are also looking at points down south to Mexico, and we’re also looking overseas into Europe a little bit more, so you probably will see a little bit more coming either towards the end of the year or the beginning of next year," he told IndyStar. "I am very confident that we’re going to have new, upcoming announcements pretty soon that will be very, very intriguing."

"Rodriguez said the Indianapolis Airport Authority is working stay one step ahead of the competition by undergoing a update of the terminal that will make it a more comfortable place to spend time."

"Although it’s only a decade old, we are going to have a refresh of our concessions and a refresh of the look and the feel that has already started," he said. "When you go to the end of the concourses, you are going to find more lounge seating like you get in a resort hotel. Every seat practically is going to have power pretty soon. It'll take a little bit of time to put them in, but we're putting them in slowly."

Sounds like more connections through IND


https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... EBSITE.pdf
Lots of interesting stuff will be happening in the board meeting

flymco753 wrote:

I bet IND gets either WW or FI next. EI is in a lingo between YUL, PIT, and DTW most likely as their newest A321LR destinations.

Indy wrote:

flymco753 wrote:

I bet IND gets either WW or FI next. EI is in a lingo between YUL, PIT, and DTW most likely as their newest A321LR destinations.

There is pretty much no chance it will be PIT. Not sure it will be IND but PIT won't happen. That market has more service than it can support already with the addition of BA.

Midwestindy wrote:

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2018/08/15/indianapolis-airport-teases-new-european-flights-rider-numbers-soar/987328002/
Airport is teasing again:
But Mario Rodriguez, executive director of the Indianapolis Airport Authority, said airport leaders don't intend to rest on the laurels of a second quarter that added three new nonstop destinations, including the first nonstop transatlantic flight to Paris.

Instead, he urged riders to be on the lookout for new flight announcements and an ongoing effort to the make the Indianapolis airport the best place to have a layover.

"We just announced a new nonstop to San Diego. We are also looking at points down south to Mexico, and we’re also looking overseas into Europe a little bit more, so you probably will see a little bit more coming either towards the end of the year or the beginning of next year," he told IndyStar. "I am very confident that we’re going to have new, upcoming announcements pretty soon that will be very, very intriguing."

"Rodriguez said the Indianapolis Airport Authority is working stay one step ahead of the competition by undergoing a update of the terminal that will make it a more comfortable place to spend time."

"Although it’s only a decade old, we are going to have a refresh of our concessions and a refresh of the look and the feel that has already started," he said. "When you go to the end of the concourses, you are going to find more lounge seating like you get in a resort hotel. Every seat practically is going to have power pretty soon. It'll take a little bit of time to put them in, but we're putting them in slowly."

Sounds like more connections through IND


https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... EBSITE.pdf
Lots of interesting stuff will be happening in the board meeting

zackary747 wrote:

What are you specifically referring to when it comes to the board meeting?

zackary747 wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2018/08/15/indianapolis-airport-teases-new-european-flights-rider-numbers-soar/987328002/
Airport is teasing again:
But Mario Rodriguez, executive director of the Indianapolis Airport Authority, said airport leaders don't intend to rest on the laurels of a second quarter that added three new nonstop destinations, including the first nonstop transatlantic flight to Paris.

Instead, he urged riders to be on the lookout for new flight announcements and an ongoing effort to the make the Indianapolis airport the best place to have a layover.

"We just announced a new nonstop to San Diego. We are also looking at points down south to Mexico, and we’re also looking overseas into Europe a little bit more, so you probably will see a little bit more coming either towards the end of the year or the beginning of next year," he told IndyStar. "I am very confident that we’re going to have new, upcoming announcements pretty soon that will be very, very intriguing."

"Rodriguez said the Indianapolis Airport Authority is working stay one step ahead of the competition by undergoing a update of the terminal that will make it a more comfortable place to spend time."

"Although it’s only a decade old, we are going to have a refresh of our concessions and a refresh of the look and the feel that has already started," he said. "When you go to the end of the concourses, you are going to find more lounge seating like you get in a resort hotel. Every seat practically is going to have power pretty soon. It'll take a little bit of time to put them in, but we're putting them in slowly."

Sounds like more connections through IND


https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... EBSITE.pdf
Lots of interesting stuff will be happening in the board meeting

What are you specifically referring to when it comes to the board meeting?

flymco753 wrote:

I bet IND gets either WW or FI next. EI is in a lingo between YUL, PIT, and DTW most likely as their newest A321LR destinations.

Midwestindy wrote:

flymco753 wrote:

I bet IND gets either WW or FI next. EI is in a lingo between YUL, PIT, and DTW most likely as their newest A321LR destinations.

Perhaps, although there was talk that service to Germany was in discussion

Indy wrote:

I wish IND would get something like this in Civic Plaza. How amazing would that be?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8azGTsslNc

zackary747 wrote:

So, about the DHL thing in the IAA board meeting packet. I want to make sure I am understanding this clearly.

It says "air cargo leasing space". Now, DHL has no scheduled flights here so does that mean they're going to bring in a couple of their aircraft every once in awhile, or will they opt to use ground cargo options since CVG is so close?

zackary747 wrote:

Vacation Express to PUJ and CUN next year will operate on Allegiant aircraft. No more Volaris or Swift Air for us. Hopefully Vacation Express will add more flights due to the fact we have 3 based Allegiant aircraft.

zackary747 wrote:

I decided to look at how the cargo is for the passenger airlines at IND. (This does NOT include passenger baggage)

Delta's cargo went way up after Paris started, and Alaska is carrying cargo as well. With the full flight to Seattle and the cargo that makes that route pretty profitable, and the cargo helps Alaska maintain a profit during the winter drop.

Here's the data (I am assuming the number is in pounds of cargo transported)

DL

Jan: 348,412
Feb: 273,712
Mar: 356,424
Apr: 398,013
May: 455, 646
Jun: 912,023

AS

Jan: 33,619
Feb: 29,695
Mar: 23,566
Apr: 45,488
May: 45,257
Jun: 29,329

SOURCE: https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... Report.pdf (pg. 10)

fedex1 wrote:

When does Delta cut back daily service to CDG, from IND?

fedex1 wrote:

Gosh, I was hoping for daily service.