Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Midwestindy · Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:42 am

May and June numbers are updated
May passengers up 7.8% YOY
AS +12.3%
AC +2.9%
G4 +51.9%
AA +4.7%
DL +5.8%
F9 +23.3%
J1 -17.8%
WN +1.8%
UA +1.2%

June passengers up 7.2% YOY
AS +59.7%
AC +18.1%
G4 +45.0%
AA +4.1%
DL +13.1%
F9 +18.2%
J1 -70.3%
WN -6.0%
UA -4.7%

Interesting DL notes:
- DL is now #2 at IND, moving past AA
- DL nearly tripled its cargo activity from June 17(312,246) to June 18(912,023). Well on track to outpace cargo from AA and WN.
- UA is going to be the loser in this as they have lost cargo and pax that have moved to DL

zackary747 · Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:28 am

Midwestindy wrote:
May and June numbers are updated
May passengers up 7.8% YOY
AS +12.3%
AC +2.9%
G4 +51.9%
AA +4.7%
DL +5.8%
F9 +23.3%
J1 -17.8%
WN +1.8%
UA +1.2%

June passengers up 7.2% YOY
AS +59.7%
AC +18.1%
G4 +45.0%
AA +4.1%
DL +13.1%
F9 +18.2%
J1 -70.3%
WN -6.0%
UA -4.7%

Interesting DL notes:
- DL is now #2 at IND, moving past AA
- DL nearly tripled its cargo activity from June 17(312,246) to June 18(912,023). Well on track to outpace cargo from AA and WN.
- UA is going to be the loser in this as they have lost cargo and pax that have moved to DL

What is the YTD growth percentage?

Midwestindy · Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:21 am

zackary747 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
May and June numbers are updated
May passengers up 7.8% YOY
AS +12.3%
AC +2.9%
G4 +51.9%
AA +4.7%
DL +5.8%
F9 +23.3%
J1 -17.8%
WN +1.8%
UA +1.2%

June passengers up 7.2% YOY
AS +59.7%
AC +18.1%
G4 +45.0%
AA +4.1%
DL +13.1%
F9 +18.2%
J1 -70.3%
WN -6.0%
UA -4.7%

Interesting DL notes:
- DL is now #2 at IND, moving past AA
- DL nearly tripled its cargo activity from June 17(312,246) to June 18(912,023). Well on track to outpace cargo from AA and WN.
- UA is going to be the loser in this as they have lost cargo and pax that have moved to DL

What is the YTD growth percentage?

Up 7.2%

fedex1 · Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:09 pm

What’s up with AC growth?!?

SumChristianus · Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:05 pm

fedex1 wrote:
What’s up with AC growth?!?

Increase to 3x daily CR2 I believe

indygs · Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:08 pm

fedex1 wrote:
What’s up with AC growth?!?

AC added another YYZ-IND trip so they've gone from 3x/day from 2x/day. AC has flown the CRJ200 since the beginning, so (making a wild guess here) assuming they had 100 seats in each direction each day in the past, their jump in psgrs correlates to that many psgrs more per day (18 more per day from June). Not sure what it'll take to sustain the 3rd flight but on several European and Middle Eastern routings, AC is coming in as the lowest fare out of IND for the fall.

ibthebigd · Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:31 pm

Hopefully AC adds YUL eventually

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adam47150 · Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:51 pm

Any chance we see WestJet service to IND once the DL JV is up and running?

flymco753 · Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:15 pm

adam47150 wrote:
Any chance we see WestJet service to IND once the DL JV is up and running?

They'll probably load DL hubs first before getting into the focus cities. If anything, DL could use their metal in IND and codeshare with WS.

Midwestindy · Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:13 pm

IND will be very busy this week, particularly tomorrow and Sunday

zackary747 · Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:14 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
IND will be very busy this week, particularly tomorrow and Sunday

GenCon people I’m assuming?

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Midwestindy · Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:39 pm

zackary747 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
IND will be very busy this week, particularly tomorrow and Sunday

GenCon people I’m assuming?

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Yep, a majority of inbound flights are sold out for tomorrow, and I think some flights even had last second upguages today (AA was running the A321 on ORD-IND)

ibthebigd · Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:41 pm

Is the Paris flight looking full?

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kindeham · Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:03 pm

ibthebigd wrote:
Is the Paris flight looking full?

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IND-CDG is averaging around 50% in the coming days. CDG-IND is full for the next couple weeks.

DeltaRules · Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:22 pm

DL revamped their route maps to highlight their JVs in Sky:

https://twitter.com/GoldboxATL/status/1 ... 9115331585

kindeham · Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:36 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
DL revamped their route maps to highlight their JVs in Sky:

https://twitter.com/GoldboxATL/status/1 ... 9115331585

Seems they forgot to add IND-CDG - or is it a sign? (I highly doubt the later)

IndyHoosier · Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:20 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
May and June numbers are updated
May passengers up 7.8% YOY
AS +12.3%
AC +2.9%
G4 +51.9%
AA +4.7%
DL +5.8%
F9 +23.3%
J1 -17.8%
WN +1.8%
UA +1.2%

June passengers up 7.2% YOY
AS +59.7%
AC +18.1%
G4 +45.0%
AA +4.1%
DL +13.1%
F9 +18.2%
J1 -70.3%
WN -6.0%
UA -4.7%

Interesting DL notes:
- DL is now #2 at IND, moving past AA
- DL nearly tripled its cargo activity from June 17(312,246) to June 18(912,023). Well on track to outpace cargo from AA and WN.
- UA is going to be the loser in this as they have lost cargo and pax that have moved to DL

I wonder why WN had a drop in passengers in June. Haven't they raised their capacity?

jplatts · Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:08 pm

IndyHoosier wrote:
I wonder why WN had a drop in passengers in June. Haven't they raised their capacity?

Three big differences with respect to WN service since May 2017: WN's entry into CVG, discontinuation of WN IND-LGA nonstop service, and discontinuation of WN IND-DCA nonstop service. WN also will be discontinuing IND-EWR nonstop service in January 2019.

Jshank83 · Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:36 pm

jplatts wrote:
IndyHoosier wrote:
I wonder why WN had a drop in passengers in June. Haven't they raised their capacity?

Three big differences with respect to WN service since May 2017: WN's entry into CVG, discontinuation of WN IND-LGA nonstop service, and discontinuation of WN IND-DCA nonstop service. WN also will be discontinuing IND-EWR nonstop service in January 2019.

He was talking about June numbers. WN started in CVG June last year so YOY shouldn't have been that be much of factor (if at all). And didn't they just switch LGA to EWR? So capacity (which is what he asked) shouldn't be any different with respect to New York.

Midwestindy · Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:23 pm

kindeham wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
DL revamped their route maps to highlight their JVs in Sky:

https://twitter.com/GoldboxATL/status/1 ... 9115331585

Seems they forgot to add IND-CDG - or is it a sign? (I highly doubt the later)

You should probably look a little closer, IND-CDG is the feature route in the picture on the Bottom left of the TATL JV page

Jshank83 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
IndyHoosier wrote:
I wonder why WN had a drop in passengers in June. Haven't they raised their capacity?

Three big differences with respect to WN service since May 2017: WN's entry into CVG, discontinuation of WN IND-LGA nonstop service, and discontinuation of WN IND-DCA nonstop service. WN also will be discontinuing IND-EWR nonstop service in January 2019.

He was talking about June numbers. WN started in CVG June last year so YOY shouldn't have been that be much of factor (if at all). And didn't they just switch LGA to EWR? So capacity (which is what he asked) shouldn't be any different with respect to New York.

Yes, but WN is losing a lot of corporate travel out of IND that is switching to DL, (hence EWR and DCA being cut, and BOS being trimmed).

fedex1 · Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:24 pm

I don’t think IND-CDG is performing that well do you guys??? Thoughts?

kindeham · Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:33 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
kindeham wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
DL revamped their route maps to highlight their JVs in Sky:

https://twitter.com/GoldboxATL/status/1 ... 9115331585

Seems they forgot to add IND-CDG - or is it a sign? (I highly doubt the later)

You should probably look a little closer, IND-CDG is the feature route in the picture on the Bottom left of the TATL JV page

[quote="Jshank83"][quote="jplatts"]

Still seems odd that it didn't make the map - especially considering the featured route picture.

Midwestindy · Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:34 pm

fedex1 wrote:
I don’t think IND-CDG is performing that well do you guys??? Thoughts?

The President of Delta literally said in the last earnings call multiple times that IND-CDG was performing very well, if that isn't proof for you I don't know what is....

kindeham · Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:37 pm

fedex1 wrote:
I don’t think IND-CDG is performing that well do you guys??? Thoughts?

For the entire first month IND-CDG was booked solid, for the month I'd guess load factor in the low 90s. It went south in July, but as soon as IND-CDG went south, CDG-IND took off like a rocket - since early July CDG-IND has been doing mid 90s with some total sellouts. This continues out into August.

This is a new route and it will take some time to get enough people on either side of the pond needing to get to the other to balance things out. In addition travel to Europe originating in the US in July is quite stagnant across the board (scroll back and there is a discussion about summer time transatlantic travel patterns).

fedex1 · Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:57 pm

Well you people know more than me, I just see you guys posting 50% loads out of IND, so I posted that. That’s all. I was hoping you guys would have the answers! I have zero idea where you even look at the load numbers. I did see Delta jump in terms of pax numbers off the airport website, so you think Delta will pass Southwest as #1 carrier in Indianapolis ?

jplatts · Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:25 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Yes, but WN is losing a lot of corporate travel out of IND that is switching to DL, (hence EWR and DCA being cut, and BOS being trimmed).

Why is WN losing corporate travel to DL in the IND market if WN has been at IND for over 29 years, if WN has an established FF base in the IND market, and if WN doesn't charge fees for itinerary changes or the 1st or 2nd checked bags? Are there factors beyond DL serving CDG, DTW, MSP, LGA, JFK, RDU, SLC, and SEA nonstop from IND that are causing demand for corporate travel to shift from WN to DL in the IND market?

Midwestindy · Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:09 pm

jplatts wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Yes, but WN is losing a lot of corporate travel out of IND that is switching to DL, (hence EWR and DCA being cut, and BOS being trimmed).

Why is WN losing corporate travel to DL in the IND market if WN has been at IND for over 29 years, if WN has an established FF base in the IND market, and if WN doesn't charge fees for itinerary changes or the 1st or 2nd checked bags? Are there factors beyond DL serving CDG, DTW, MSP, LGA, JFK, RDU, SLC, and SEA nonstop from IND that are causing demand for corporate travel to shift from WN to DL in the IND market?

WN does not really have an established FF base. Back in 2014-2015, WN made a huge push to go after business passengers in IND.
https://www.ibj.com/articles/51041-new- ... -travelers
This is what allowed them to add routes like DCA, MDW, LGA/EWR, LAX, BOS, e.t.c and before then WN served only leisure destinations from IND.

However, in order to keep the businesses happy you need to serve the major business markets with multiple frequencies a day, WN no longer does that.
DL makes a lot more sense for IND companies:

Nonstop Business Markets:
WN no NYC starting next year, no DCA or IAD(I don't count BWI), and BOS usually remains 1 flight per day.
DL serves NYC 8x daily, BOS 3x daily, SEA, and TATL

FF lounge:
WN no lounge
DL has a Skyclub

First Class
WN no FC
DL FC on nearly every flight

I used to occasionally fly WN on IND-DCA/LGA, however now if I'm not on DL I fly AA. The CDG flight sealed the deal for WN...

jplatts · Thu Aug 02, 2018 12:23 am

Midwestindy wrote:
WN does not really have an established FF base. Back in 2014-2015, WN made a huge push to go after business passengers in IND.
https://www.ibj.com/articles/51041-new- ... -travelers
This is what allowed them to add routes like DCA, MDW, LGA/EWR, LAX, BOS, e.t.c and before then WN served only leisure destinations from IND.

However, in order to keep the businesses happy you need to serve the major business markets with multiple frequencies a day, WN no longer does that.
DL makes a lot more sense for IND companies:

Nonstop Business Markets:
WN no NYC starting next year, no DCA or IAD(I don't count BWI), and BOS usually remains 1 flight per day.
DL serves NYC 8x daily, BOS 3x daily, SEA, and TATL

FF lounge:
WN no lounge
DL has a Skyclub

First Class
WN no FC
DL FC on nearly every flight

I used to occasionally fly WN on IND-DCA/LGA, however now if I'm not on DL I fly AA. The CDG flight sealed the deal for WN...

I agree with your point regarding DL vs WN. However, WN has long had nonstop service to MCI out of IND, and WN inherited IND-ATL nonstop service through the WN-FL merger. DL also does not currently serve any of the DC airports nonstop out of IND.

Will WN drop IND-ATL nonstop service, or will WN continue to keep IND-ATL nonstop service? I know that there are connecting opportunities to destinations such as GSP, JAX, and PBI from IND through ATL on WN.

Midwestindy · Thu Aug 02, 2018 2:03 pm

I wonder what a Republic acquisition of Trans States would mean for IND......

zackary747 · Thu Aug 02, 2018 2:19 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
I wonder what a Republic acquisition of Trans States would mean for IND......

I’m curious to know if they would keep their E145s.

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Jshank83 · Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:18 pm

zackary747 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
I wonder what a Republic acquisition of Trans States would mean for IND......

I’m curious to know if they would keep their E145s.

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Trans States just signed a deal with UA to bring more into service so I don't think they are going anywhere (assuming you are talking about that side of the acquisition)

zackary747 · Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:43 am

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/tra ... -1.3585382

"He did not name any of the candidates, but sources suggest that Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and Montreal in Canada could feature on the list, ALONG WITH A POSSIBLE LOCATION IN THE MIDWEST."

I have a feeling they would choose DTW over IND, as they chose PHL over PIT.

Indy · Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:16 pm

zackary747 wrote:
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/aer-lingus-to-add-two-new-north-american-destinations-1.3585382

"He did not name any of the candidates, but sources suggest that Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and Montreal in Canada could feature on the list, ALONG WITH A POSSIBLE LOCATION IN THE MIDWEST."

I have a feeling they would choose DTW over IND, as they chose PHL over PIT.

There is no way they are going to pick PIT. Not anymore. PIT cannot support 5 TATL routes. I doubt they can support what they will have next year. I would say it is safe to say they dropped off the list with the addition of LHR service.

zackary747 · Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:17 pm

Indy wrote:
zackary747 wrote:
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/aer-lingus-to-add-two-new-north-american-destinations-1.3585382

"He did not name any of the candidates, but sources suggest that Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and Montreal in Canada could feature on the list, ALONG WITH A POSSIBLE LOCATION IN THE MIDWEST."

I have a feeling they would choose DTW over IND, as they chose PHL over PIT.

There is no way they are going to pick PIT. Not anymore. PIT cannot support 5 TATL routes. I doubt they can support what they will have next year. I would say it is safe to say they dropped off the list with the addition of LHR service.

I agree. PIT is maxed out for the time being.

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ibthebigd · Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:19 pm

Plus BA EI are both owned by IAG

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Midwestindy · Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:06 pm

zackary747 wrote:
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/aer-lingus-to-add-two-new-north-american-destinations-1.3585382

"He did not name any of the candidates, but sources suggest that Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and Montreal in Canada could feature on the list, ALONG WITH A POSSIBLE LOCATION IN THE MIDWEST."

I have a feeling they would choose DTW over IND, as they chose PHL over PIT.

I interpreted STL from that statement, and I think EI already flies to PHL

kindrjaa · Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:04 pm

Hi all,
Do you have any info on who or what were transported between HNL-IND? I saw a 772 approaching yesterday around 19:00 and there were two nonstop flights recently (8/2 and 8/3)...military? The tail is N819AX. Thanks!

Midwestindy · Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:10 pm

A few things I've noticed:
1. AS IND-SFO appears to be cut after September, after a full year in service. Good effort by AS, but it just wasn't meant to be
2. It looks like DL had already gotten $715,495.00 dollars of the incentives through June, which is a good sign
https://transparency.iedc.in.gov/Pages/ ... liant=true
-The route seems to be a money maker, adding on to the passenger revenue the Belly Cargo facility is being expanded as well to handle the additional cargo from DL and a maintenance space for G4
3. I have still yet to hear anything on the IND-Asia talks

southwest1675 · Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:19 pm

jplatts wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
WN does not really have an established FF base. Back in 2014-2015, WN made a huge push to go after business passengers in IND.
https://www.ibj.com/articles/51041-new- ... -travelers
This is what allowed them to add routes like DCA, MDW, LGA/EWR, LAX, BOS, e.t.c and before then WN served only leisure destinations from IND.

However, in order to keep the businesses happy you need to serve the major business markets with multiple frequencies a day, WN no longer does that.
DL makes a lot more sense for IND companies:

Nonstop Business Markets:
WN no NYC starting next year, no DCA or IAD(I don't count BWI), and BOS usually remains 1 flight per day.
DL serves NYC 8x daily, BOS 3x daily, SEA, and TATL

FF lounge:
WN no lounge
DL has a Skyclub

First Class
WN no FC
DL FC on nearly every flight

I used to occasionally fly WN on IND-DCA/LGA, however now if I'm not on DL I fly AA. The CDG flight sealed the deal for WN...

I agree with your point regarding DL vs WN. However, WN has long had nonstop service to MCI out of IND, and WN inherited IND-ATL nonstop service through the WN-FL merger. DL also does not currently serve any of the DC airports nonstop out of IND.

Will WN drop IND-ATL nonstop service, or will WN continue to keep IND-ATL nonstop service? I know that there are connecting opportunities to destinations such as GSP, JAX, and PBI from IND through ATL on WN.

If WN dropped IND-ATL, I figure this would greatly increase the chances of IND-BNA.

ibthebigd · Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:34 pm

I wish AS would try SJC or SAN

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ibthebigd · Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:38 pm

I wish AS would try SJC or SAN

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fedex1 · Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:18 pm

If EL came would it hurt the Delta CDG flight? Just curious. I don’t see IND getting another transatlantic flight, for several years. I also don’t see Asia coming anytime soon. I think you have a better chance at getting another Europe flight than a Asia flight. . . Educate me folks.

Midwestindy · Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:42 pm

fedex1 wrote:
If EL came would it hurt the Delta CDG flight? Just curious. I don’t see IND getting another transatlantic flight, for several years. I also don’t see Asia coming anytime soon. I think you have a better chance at getting another Europe flight than a Asia flight. . . Educate me folks.

http://www.insideindianabusiness.com/st ... l-nonstops

Indiana Secretary of Commerce Jim Schellinger says the Paris nonstop could be joined by additional international destinations on future flight schedules. "We're working on one right now for Asia that we expect to be done by the end of the year," said Schellinger. "And after 2020, we’ll go back and look at Europe again."

"A nonstop to Asia makes sense, given the fact that more than 290 Japanese owned or affiliated companies are doing business in the state, including a major presence from automakers Subaru, Toyota and Honda."

Over 15% of Asia-IND-Asia trips are booked in J or F so there is a lot of business demand

fedex1 · Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:50 pm

Yes, I remember that post, just haven’t heard anything since.

Midwestindy · Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:22 pm

ibthebigd wrote:
I wish AS would try SJC or SAN

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SAN is likely but we will have to wait a little to see. SJC doesn't seem likely as it has never been suggested by AS

fedex1 wrote:
Yes, I remember that post, just haven’t heard anything since.

IND is very quiet about route developments, and the IND media doesn't do very many stories on the airport so info is few and far between.

I still think any Asia-IND or IND-Asia flights will be through Japan. 38.8% of Asia-IND O&D is from Japan, or almost the size of the IND-LON market.

tphuang · Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:08 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
A few things I've noticed:
1. AS IND-SFO appears to be cut after September, after a full year in service. Good effort by AS, but it just wasn't meant to be
2. It looks like DL had already gotten $715,495.00 dollars of the incentives through June, which is a good sign
https://transparency.iedc.in.gov/Pages/ ... liant=true
-The route seems to be a money maker, adding on to the passenger revenue the Belly Cargo facility is being expanded as well to handle the additional cargo from DL and a maintenance space for G4
3. I have still yet to hear anything on the IND-Asia talks

Not a surprise on as. Ua simply hammered them on this route.

I don’t see them adding San given that they have cut their growth next year to 2%.

ADrum23 · Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:33 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
A few things I've noticed:
1. AS IND-SFO appears to be cut after September, after a full year in service. Good effort by AS, but it just wasn't meant to be
2. It looks like DL had already gotten $715,495.00 dollars of the incentives through June, which is a good sign
https://transparency.iedc.in.gov/Pages/ ... liant=true
-The route seems to be a money maker, adding on to the passenger revenue the Belly Cargo facility is being expanded as well to handle the additional cargo from DL and a maintenance space for G4
3. I have still yet to hear anything on the IND-Asia talks

I wonder if similarly sized markets AS launched out of SFO, such as MSY, BNA and RDU will get cut? How are those doing?

zackary747 · Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:42 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
A few things I've noticed:
1. AS IND-SFO appears to be cut after September, after a full year in service. Good effort by AS, but it just wasn't meant to be
2. It looks like DL had already gotten $715,495.00 dollars of the incentives through June, which is a good sign
https://transparency.iedc.in.gov/Pages/ ... liant=true
-The route seems to be a money maker, adding on to the passenger revenue the Belly Cargo facility is being expanded as well to handle the additional cargo from DL and a maintenance space for G4
3. I have still yet to hear anything on the IND-Asia talks

With UA running that second freq. in the winter AS just can't compete. They did seem to run pretty well in the summer (I only saw one month of data). How far does Alaska's schedules go? Just making sure it's not a seasonal cut. Also, UA did hammer AS on all the other launched routes as well, how are those doing?

EDIT: I see the SEA flight loaded into May 2019. Looks like a permanent cut to me. Somehow BNA-SFO is still on there even though it performed worse in some months compared to our route. I guess they didn't want to deal with UA and WN coming in all at once.

kindrjaa · Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:58 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
ibthebigd wrote:
I wish AS would try SJC or SAN

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SAN is likely but we will have to wait a little to see. SJC doesn't seem likely as it has never been suggested by AS

fedex1 wrote:
Yes, I remember that post, just haven’t heard anything since.

IND is very quiet about route developments, and the IND media doesn't do very many stories on the airport so info is few and far between.

I still think any Asia-IND or IND-Asia flights will be through Japan. 38.8% of Asia-IND O&D is from Japan, or almost the size of the IND-LON market.

Hi all,

I was asked to complete a survey on transpacific (to Japan) options late last year or in January. It was sent out to people in Japanese businesses and Japanese community in the state mainly. I remember a section where I put my preferred arrival airport (NRT) but I know many would prefer HND due to the proximity to central Tokyo. I would be surprised if anyone besides Delta operates the route once details are set.

tphuang · Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:18 pm

ADrum23 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
A few things I've noticed:
1. AS IND-SFO appears to be cut after September, after a full year in service. Good effort by AS, but it just wasn't meant to be
2. It looks like DL had already gotten $715,495.00 dollars of the incentives through June, which is a good sign
https://transparency.iedc.in.gov/Pages/ ... liant=true
-The route seems to be a money maker, adding on to the passenger revenue the Belly Cargo facility is being expanded as well to handle the additional cargo from DL and a maintenance space for G4
3. I have still yet to hear anything on the IND-Asia talks

I wonder if similarly sized markets AS launched out of SFO, such as MSY, BNA and RDU will get cut? How are those doing?

Very few of them are doing well. ABQ and MCI are performing terribly. IND/RDU/PHL/BNA are about the same level. The best performing ones are MCO/MSY/BWI. Which is probably not a surprise. IF IND is getting cut, I think there will be more cuts coming.

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