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fedex1 wrote:Why will it be hard for Delta to get over 50 daily departures ? RDU has 70?
Indy wrote:So what do we consider to be a focus city? DL already serves MCO, RSW, MIA and RDU in addition to two international destinations (CUN and CDG). They have to be one of the front runners for the Asia service as well.
Midwestindy wrote:Indy wrote:So what do we consider to be a focus city? DL already serves MCO, RSW, MIA and RDU in addition to two international destinations (CUN and CDG). They have to be one of the front runners for the Asia service as well.
I think if IND gets above 50 departures with some additional p2p flights it will be officially considered a focus city.
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Would get close to 50, if you add in well timed feeder flights to MEM, JAX, MSY, and MKE which might have potential as well than you would be over 50.
Cubsrule wrote:Midwestindy wrote:Indy wrote:So what do we consider to be a focus city? DL already serves MCO, RSW, MIA and RDU in addition to two international destinations (CUN and CDG). They have to be one of the front runners for the Asia service as well.
I think if IND gets above 50 departures with some additional p2p flights it will be officially considered a focus city.
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Would get close to 50, if you add in well timed feeder flights to MEM, JAX, MSY, and MKE which might have potential as well than you would be over 50.
If they can beat WN to the punch, 2x CR9 to BNA might be interesting. It’s not an apples to apples comparison, but DL manages to make that schedule work on BNA-RDU with WN competition. I don’t think BNA-IND has room for two carriers but it probably has room for one.
Indy wrote:In about an hour I will be headed to IND to record the arrival of the CDG flight and hopefully the WN CUN flight. Anyone else going to be there for this?
adam47150 wrote:What are everyone's thoughts on DL running a daily RJ from SDF to IND timed to connect with the CDG departure? Would this make sense, or am I just crazy?
fedex1 wrote:Do we ( IND ) really want a low cost WOW air ? Will that hurt the Delta flight?
Midwestindy wrote:Cubsrule wrote:Midwestindy wrote:
I think if IND gets above 50 departures with some additional p2p flights it will be officially considered a focus city.
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Would get close to 50, if you add in well timed feeder flights to MEM, JAX, MSY, and MKE which might have potential as well than you would be over 50.
If they can beat WN to the punch, 2x CR9 to BNA might be interesting. It’s not an apples to apples comparison, but DL manages to make that schedule work on BNA-RDU with WN competition. I don’t think BNA-IND has room for two carriers but it probably has room for one.
IND and BNA have a lot more business ties than meets the eye, and I think that PDEW will skyrocket if nonstop service is ever launched. Nevertheless, I think WN will jump first since they are facing more pressure to open the route.
Midwestindy wrote:adam47150 wrote:What are everyone's thoughts on DL running a daily RJ from SDF to IND timed to connect with the CDG departure? Would this make sense, or am I just crazy?
SDF is too close of a drive to IND and CVG for that to work, IMO
adam47150 wrote:Midwestindy wrote:adam47150 wrote:What are everyone's thoughts on DL running a daily RJ from SDF to IND timed to connect with the CDG departure? Would this make sense, or am I just crazy?
SDF is too close of a drive to IND and CVG for that to work, IMO
Back in the Comair days I flew SDF-CAE with a connection in CVG. I realize CVG was the Comair hub, but if DL could make money on it, I could see a daily CRJ200.
Cubsrule wrote:Midwestindy wrote:Indy wrote:So what do we consider to be a focus city? DL already serves MCO, RSW, MIA and RDU in addition to two international destinations (CUN and CDG). They have to be one of the front runners for the Asia service as well.
I think if IND gets above 50 departures with some additional p2p flights it will be officially considered a focus city.
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1xBDL
1xSAT
2xSLC
2xLAX
1xRSW (Seasonally daily)
1xTPA (Seasonally daily)
1xLAS
Would get close to 50, if you add in well timed feeder flights to MEM, JAX, MSY, and MKE which might have potential as well than you would be over 50.
If they can beat WN to the punch, 2x CR9 to BNA might be interesting. It’s not an apples to apples comparison, but DL manages to make that schedule work on BNA-RDU with WN competition. I don’t think BNA-IND has room for two carriers but it probably has room for one.
cvgComair wrote:adam47150 wrote:Midwestindy wrote:
SDF is too close of a drive to IND and CVG for that to work, IMO
Back in the Comair days I flew SDF-CAE with a connection in CVG. I realize CVG was the Comair hub, but if DL could make money on it, I could see a daily CRJ200.
Yeah, but there is pretty much 0 PDEW between SDF and IND. For a focus city, the routes need to be mostly supported by local demand, with connections used to top-off loads on the routes. IND-CDG doesn't need connecting traffic, RDU and PIT get along just fine with little and no connecting traffic respectively.
tphuang wrote:Cubsrule wrote:Midwestindy wrote:
I think if IND gets above 50 departures with some additional p2p flights it will be officially considered a focus city.
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1xTPA (Seasonally daily)
1xLAS
Would get close to 50, if you add in well timed feeder flights to MEM, JAX, MSY, and MKE which might have potential as well than you would be over 50.
If they can beat WN to the punch, 2x CR9 to BNA might be interesting. It’s not an apples to apples comparison, but DL manages to make that schedule work on BNA-RDU with WN competition. I don’t think BNA-IND has room for two carriers but it probably has room for one.
You also have to remember that just because DL is on a route, doesn't mean they are not loosing money on it. They are a high cost carrier, so have to earn quite a premium over WN to get the same profit margins. They will add and maintain routes to RDU because it has officially become a focus city. It's a strategic decision for a carrier like DL to build up to a certain market share in a new city in order to get premium over WN. If they make the decision that IND is important enough to take the initial losses to get to a certain market share, then you will see it become a real focus city.
I see a lot of people ask if DL will make their city a new focus city. It's not going to be as easy for them as say WN due to the costs involved. And they are already in the middle of building up SEA, BOS and RDU. At least the first 2, they are loosing money on a lot of new routes.
COSPN wrote:You are crasy it’s a 1 hour drvw SDF to IND ...eat more drink less
Midwestindy wrote:zackary747 wrote:My friend and I met Mario Rodriguez today. Really nice, down to earth type of guy. I did ask him two questions and I shall relay those answers.
Question 1: Are we going to get a low cost trans-Atlantic carrier?
Response: "We are, stay tuned"
Question 2: Are we getting JetBlue?
Response: "We've been talking to them, we are, stay tuned."
Definitely encouraging although I wish he would have given some sort of timeline
Midwestindy wrote:cvgComair wrote:adam47150 wrote:Back in the Comair days I flew SDF-CAE with a connection in CVG. I realize CVG was the Comair hub, but if DL could make money on it, I could see a daily CRJ200.
Yeah, but there is pretty much 0 PDEW between SDF and IND. For a focus city, the routes need to be mostly supported by local demand, with connections used to top-off loads on the routes. IND-CDG doesn't need connecting traffic, RDU and PIT get along just fine with little and no connecting traffic respectively.
Yeah but DL wants to send connections through IND for the CDG flight.
cvgComair wrote:Midwestindy wrote:cvgComair wrote:Yeah, but there is pretty much 0 PDEW between SDF and IND. For a focus city, the routes need to be mostly supported by local demand, with connections used to top-off loads on the routes. IND-CDG doesn't need connecting traffic, RDU and PIT get along just fine with little and no connecting traffic respectively.
Yeah but DL wants to send connections through IND for the CDG flight.
I know they will send connections through to the CDG flight. I was trying to point out that flights will not be added with a main purpose to feed the CDG flight. The amount of connecting passengers is not going to be very large, especially if the feed is coming from cities like AUS/other hubs.
Midwestindy wrote:https://highalpha.com/speakerseries/may-speaker-series/?utm_content=buffer47125&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Interview with the Exec Director:
-IND has fastest airport Wifi in the nation
-Airport is being retrofitted with nicer furniture and carpeting
-Will be rolling out new sound system trailered to the customers and conventioneers
-"huge aviation related" announcement coming on Thursday (31st) related to an airline and pilots, think it may be G4 or J1 related.
ibthebigd wrote:Southwest has a schedule release the 31stMidwestindy wrote:https://highalpha.com/speakerseries/may-speaker-series/?utm_content=buffer47125&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Interview with the Exec Director:
-IND has fastest airport Wifi in the nation
-Airport is being retrofitted with nicer furniture and carpeting
-Will be rolling out new sound system trailered to the customers and conventioneers
-"huge aviation related" announcement coming on Thursday (31st) related to an airline and pilots, think it may be G4 or J1 related.
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Midwestindy wrote:https://highalpha.com/speakerseries/may-speaker-series/?utm_content=buffer47125&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Interview with the Exec Director:
-IND has fastest airport Wifi in the nation
-Airport is being retrofitted with nicer furniture and carpeting
-Will be rolling out new sound system trailered to the customers and conventioneers
-"huge aviation related" announcement coming on Thursday (31st) related to an airline and pilots, think it may be G4 or J1 related.
ibthebigd wrote:A partnership with Vincennes or Purdue and Republic?
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ibthebigd wrote:A partnership with Vincennes or Purdue and Republic?
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Indy wrote:ibthebigd wrote:A partnership with Vincennes or Purdue and Republic?
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I'm not really sure I'd call that huge. If this is going to be a pilot training center then two things come to mind. An Airbus training center for G4 pilots for a C-Series training center for DL pilots. Those would be huge. He said that it is a "development coming" so this is going to something being built. It would go beyond partnerships or anything like that.
Indy wrote:I cannot imagine it being Onejet. They are such a small airline but I guess it is possible. G4 would have been my #1 choice. OH... what about Frontier? The airline in reference has to be one that is going to need a lot of pilots.
Midwestindy wrote:Indy wrote:I cannot imagine it being Onejet. They are such a small airline but I guess it is possible. G4 would have been my #1 choice. OH... what about Frontier? The airline in reference has to be one that is going to need a lot of pilots.
Wouldn't Republic make sense because the regionals are the ones most affected by the pilot shortage
zackary747 wrote:How are people not mentioning FEDEX.
https://about.van.fedex.com/newsroom/fe ... s-program/
You know, this could be G4 or J1, but my money is on FX as their second largest hub is here. If anyone is losing pilots due to retirement FX is that airline.
Midwestindy wrote:zackary747 wrote:How are people not mentioning FEDEX.
https://about.van.fedex.com/newsroom/fe ... s-program/
You know, this could be G4 or J1, but my money is on FX as their second largest hub is here. If anyone is losing pilots due to retirement FX is that airline.
It could possibly be a part of FedEx’s 1.5 billon dollar expansion. However in the interview he didn’t seem to frame it as being related to a cargo airline.
zackary747 wrote:Midwestindy wrote:zackary747 wrote:How are people not mentioning FEDEX.
https://about.van.fedex.com/newsroom/fe ... s-program/
You know, this could be G4 or J1, but my money is on FX as their second largest hub is here. If anyone is losing pilots due to retirement FX is that airline.
It could possibly be a part of FedEx’s 1.5 billon dollar expansion. However in the interview he didn’t seem to frame it as being related to a cargo airline.
Well, he didn't frame anything to be honest. He said a flight training facility by AN AIRLINE. That could be cargo or passenger. He didn't say specifics so that leaves everything wide open.
ibthebigd wrote:Could WN and FedEx work together and WN start IND-MEM?
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fedex1 wrote:What airline is J1
Indy wrote:Midwestindy wrote:Indy wrote:I cannot imagine it being Onejet. They are such a small airline but I guess it is possible. G4 would have been my #1 choice. OH... what about Frontier? The airline in reference has to be one that is going to need a lot of pilots.
Wouldn't Republic make sense because the regionals are the ones most affected by the pilot shortage
If it were Republic I think it would be a bit of a disappointment. Their shortage is self inflicted in my opinion. It goes back to what they pay and what their working conditions are. The best way to end a labor shortage is to offer a competitive wage. But you also have to offer good working conditions. The best pay isn't going to keep people around if working conditions are poor. And you aren't even going to get people in the door to discover your horrible working conditions if your pay isn't good.
adam47150 wrote:How well did Customs handle both DL501 and the WN flight from Cancun on Saturday?
floridaflyboy wrote:You might want to do a little research on that. Republic's pilots are at the top of the regional industry in pay and work rules. They're trying to get out ahead of the pilot shortage rather than chasing it. I would not be surprised at all if this is a Republic-related announcement.