wetpantsmcgee wrote:

alasizon wrote:

wetpantsmcgee wrote:

T3S is just the new home for all of the T2 tenants. It doesn't really add more gates unless you count the commuter gates that will eventually be added in the northwest corner.

T3N tenants are stuck with what they have.

Not quite, DL is moving to T3S which allows T3N to end up a bit more common use (UA, B6, F9, HA, SY) while T3S is supposed to be DL, AS and NK plus the commuter carriers. Or at least that was the last layout that I knew of.

I'll have to check my work email. My memory was that that was the plan; however I've been known to be wrong most of the time.

wn676 wrote:

wetpantsmcgee wrote:

alasizon wrote:

Not quite, DL is moving to T3S which allows T3N to end up a bit more common use (UA, B6, F9, HA, SY) while T3S is supposed to be DL, AS and NK plus the commuter carriers. Or at least that was the last layout that I knew of.

I'll have to check my work email. My memory was that that was the plan; however I've been known to be wrong most of the time.

From the last bit of information I received on airline moves, AC, AS, HA, and UA will be housed in T3N. 4B, B6, DL, F9, NK, and SY will be in T3S. This is a few months old but the numbers still work. I believe there are enough preferential gates for each airline in this configuration, however the facility will technically be common-use.

alasizon wrote:

MO11 wrote:

Contour starts PGA-PHX on Wednesday.

Any word on what terminal they are using? I'd assume T2 but their logo hasn't been added into the list of airlines over there and I know they were fighting hard to use T4 to allow pax to self-connect to AA and WN easier.

cathay747 wrote:

A separate thread has been started with this interesting news:


EDMONTON, Aug. 20, 2018 /CNW/ - Flair Airlines (Edmonton, AB), Canada's only independent low fare airline today announced it is introducing non-stop flights to six popular U.S. destinations this winter. The new routes will extend Flair's rapidly growing network to Florida's Orlando International Airport, St. Pete-Clearwater (Tampa Bay) and Miami as well as to Palm Springs, Las Vegas and Phoenix-Mesa Airport.


https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/f ... 60501.html

Curious how this will pan out what with Swoop coming, and also going up against Rouge.

treebeard787 wrote:

AA is adding seasonal PHX-LHR service starting 3/31/19 with a 772. Service will operate alongside the current service by BA.
http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... a-Service/

treebeard787 wrote:

AA is adding seasonal PHX-LHR service starting 3/31/19 with a 772. Service will operate alongside the current service by BA.
http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... a-Service/

777PHX wrote:

treebeard787 wrote:

AA is adding seasonal PHX-LHR service starting 3/31/19 with a 772. Service will operate alongside the current service by BA.
http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... a-Service/

I have a feeling this is a replacement for BA's second seasonal flight. It's still a win because it's daily and it'll be nice to see a 777 here in PHX.

skyharborshome wrote:

Would this have been something BA and AA would have discussed? Are they even allowed to? AA using a 777 does make more sense than BA using two of their legacy 744s. That being said I personally hate it. Would have loved to see the second BA service resume and AA use a 777 for another international destination. Oh well, business is business.

treebeard787 wrote:

777PHX wrote:

treebeard787 wrote:

AA is adding seasonal PHX-LHR service starting 3/31/19 with a 772. Service will operate alongside the current service by BA.
http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... a-Service/

I have a feeling this is a replacement for BA's second seasonal flight. It's still a win because it's daily and it'll be nice to see a 777 here in PHX.

Yeah that wouldn't surprise me if that was the case. A 772 is probably a better sized aircraft for operating a second PHX-LHR flight vs two BA 744s. Curious to see what the schedule will be, if it will be similar to the current BA290/291 flight times, or if it will be later like BA288.

777PHX wrote:

skyharborshome wrote:

Would this have been something BA and AA would have discussed? Are they even allowed to? AA using a 777 does make more sense than BA using two of their legacy 744s. That being said I personally hate it. Would have loved to see the second BA service resume and AA use a 777 for another international destination. Oh well, business is business.

Absolutely, but they have a JV so it doesn't matter who is operating the flight from a financial perspective. It's encouraging as it shows a desire on OW's part to continue operating more than daily service, even if only seasonal.

86hoya wrote:

To allow for better connectivity at both LHR and PHX, hopefully there would be a 2-4 hour separation between the two LHR-PHX flights. Right now AA has an east bound bank that leaves PHX around 330pm - if the new AA flight to LHR left PHX around 4pm, it would capture smaller west coast city flows. Most likely the plane swap would occur at LHR, meaning the LHR-PHX flight would have to arrive into PHX around noon (or lets say between 11am and 2pm) to cover a turn back to LHR as there are no other 777 flights right now at PHX.

INFINITI329 wrote:

The 772 makes sense as it can be supported from LAX for mx & crew

910A wrote:

treebeard787 wrote:

AA is adding seasonal PHX-LHR service starting 3/31/19 with a 772. Service will operate alongside the current service by BA.
http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... a-Service/

Well, it finally came true. Be interesting to see the flight schedule. In my opinion AA's business product is better than BA (last flew BA in 2016) but BA economy is more comfortable.

cathay747 wrote:

INFINITI329 wrote:

The 772 makes sense as it can be supported from LAX for mx & crew

Well...MX would be a challenge I should think. Unless they bring in some spares to keep here, they'd better hope that bird doesn't go tech here. Never thought of that till reading your post. I think somebody mentioned before that's one reason why AA isn't going to bring the 330's back for HNL any longer...MX issues.

777PHX wrote:

cathay747 wrote:

INFINITI329 wrote:

The 772 makes sense as it can be supported from LAX for mx & crew

Well...MX would be a challenge I should think. Unless they bring in some spares to keep here, they'd better hope that bird doesn't go tech here. Never thought of that till reading your post. I think somebody mentioned before that's one reason why AA isn't going to bring the 330's back for HNL any longer...MX issues.

Sort of makes me wonder if we might see any other 772 routes, like something to Hawaii, perhaps?

If you get a critical mass of 77E ops out of PHX, it makes the logistics a lot easier.

910A wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong, but this would be the first regularly scheduled flight for a 777-200ER at PHX since BA operated one when LH had the a340.

skyharborshome wrote:

910A wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong, but this would be the first regularly scheduled flight for a 777-200ER at PHX since BA operated one when LH had the a340.

When did that end?

skyharborshome wrote:

910A wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong, but this would be the first regularly scheduled flight for a 777-200ER at PHX since BA operated one when LH had the a340.

When did that end?

777PHX wrote:

skyharborshome wrote:

910A wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong, but this would be the first regularly scheduled flight for a 777-200ER at PHX since BA operated one when LH had the a340.

When did that end?

I want to say PHX got the 77E for a period of time around 2008-2009 when the economy went in the crapper.

777PHX wrote:

skyharborshome wrote:

910A wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong, but this would be the first regularly scheduled flight for a 777-200ER at PHX since BA operated one when LH had the a340.

When did that end?

I want to say PHX got the 77E for a period of time around 2008-2009 when the economy went in the crapper.

777PHX wrote:

cathay747 wrote:

INFINITI329 wrote:

The 772 makes sense as it can be supported from LAX for mx & crew

Well...MX would be a challenge I should think. Unless they bring in some spares to keep here, they'd better hope that bird doesn't go tech here. Never thought of that till reading your post. I think somebody mentioned before that's one reason why AA isn't going to bring the 330's back for HNL any longer...MX issues.

Sort of makes me wonder if we might see any other 772 routes, like something to Hawaii, perhaps?

If you get a critical mass of 77E ops out of PHX, it makes the logistics a lot easier.

wn676 wrote:

777PHX wrote:

cathay747 wrote:

Well...MX would be a challenge I should think. Unless they bring in some spares to keep here, they'd better hope that bird doesn't go tech here. Never thought of that till reading your post. I think somebody mentioned before that's one reason why AA isn't going to bring the 330's back for HNL any longer...MX issues.

Sort of makes me wonder if we might see any other 772 routes, like something to Hawaii, perhaps?

If you get a critical mass of 77E ops out of PHX, it makes the logistics a lot easier.

Routing the plane in from LHR makes the most sense, as it is done for RDU. Especially in the peak S19 season, I would think they would hesitate to operate a domestic leg as the plane and crews can be better utilized flying a W pattern over LHR.

The 333s were scheduled in from CLT because there was no other way for them to get the aircraft to PHX. Right now though, they’re still in the planning schedule for December (and it looks like the 332 ops PHX-HNL for a few days in November as well).

alasizon wrote:

wn676 wrote:

777PHX wrote:

Sort of makes me wonder if we might see any other 772 routes, like something to Hawaii, perhaps?

If you get a critical mass of 77E ops out of PHX, it makes the logistics a lot easier.

Routing the plane in from LHR makes the most sense, as it is done for RDU. Especially in the peak S19 season, I would think they would hesitate to operate a domestic leg as the plane and crews can be better utilized flying a W pattern over LHR.

The 333s were scheduled in from CLT because there was no other way for them to get the aircraft to PHX. Right now though, they’re still in the planning schedule for December (and it looks like the 332 ops PHX-HNL for a few days in November as well).

My guess is if AA thinks the service can be sustained over the winter 3-4x weekly; they'll use it to rotate the planes in and out for PHX-HNL for W19-20.(although using a 777 allows them to switch out in the islands as well)

86hoya wrote:

To allow for better connectivity at both LHR and PHX, hopefully there would be a 2-4 hour separation between the two LHR-PHX flights. Right now AA has an east bound bank that leaves PHX around 330pm - if the new AA flight to LHR left PHX around 4pm, it would capture smaller west coast city flows. Most likely the plane swap would occur at LHR, meaning the LHR-PHX flight would have to arrive into PHX around noon (or lets say between 11am and 2pm) to cover a turn back to LHR as there are no other 777 flights right now at PHX.

wn676 wrote:

On a somewhat related note, I know that there have been ongoing negotiations between LAWA and AA (as well as OALs) over hangar space at LAX. I believe the latest was that AA would still be down a few bays after all is said and done. AA at one point a few years ago was also evaluating a full build-out of its existing hangar in PHX as well as negotiating with the City for more lease space east of the hangar. Does anyone think that they could end up moving some maintenance functions out of LAX to PHX? Could be a way to support more 777 flying as well.

alasizon wrote:

wn676 wrote:

777PHX wrote:

Sort of makes me wonder if we might see any other 772 routes, like something to Hawaii, perhaps?

If you get a critical mass of 77E ops out of PHX, it makes the logistics a lot easier.

Routing the plane in from LHR makes the most sense, as it is done for RDU. Especially in the peak S19 season, I would think they would hesitate to operate a domestic leg as the plane and crews can be better utilized flying a W pattern over LHR.

The 333s were scheduled in from CLT because there was no other way for them to get the aircraft to PHX. Right now though, they’re still in the planning schedule for December (and it looks like the 332 ops PHX-HNL for a few days in November as well).

My guess is if AA thinks the service can be sustained over the winter 3-4x weekly; they'll use it to rotate the planes in and out for PHX-HNL for W19-20.(although using a 777 allows them to switch out in the islands as well)

cathay747 wrote:

Except that AA has already announced that they're going to put 321neo's on PHX-Hawaii to replace the 752's...of course they could change that...and if so I would think only for the HNL route. So is what you're saying that they could rotate 2 ships on a PHX/LHR/PHX/HNL/PHX routing? And that they could swap ships @ HNL with one of the ships from the DFW-HNL route?

MO11 wrote:

BA744PHX wrote:

I know this was discussed back in May, but looking at both google and hawaiianairlines.com it now shows HNL-PHX-HNL is now loaded as an A330!

So it looks like outbound HA35 on January 1 will be a 767, but inbound HA36 on the same day will be an A330.

alasizon wrote:

cathay747 wrote:

Except that AA has already announced that they're going to put 321neo's on PHX-Hawaii to replace the 752's...of course they could change that...and if so I would think only for the HNL route. So is what you're saying that they could rotate 2 ships on a PHX/LHR/PHX/HNL/PHX routing? And that they could swap ships @ HNL with one of the ships from the DFW-HNL route?

Correct. My guess is that if they think they can add it a few times a week in the winter (say 3x weekly to up it to 10x), they would be able to rotate that bird out via HNL so that they don't have to figure out a complicated 3x weekly W pattern with one of the other hubs.

My guess for the Hawaii service post-757 for Winter is:

HNL 1x 777, 1x 321N and 4x weekly 2nd 321N
OGG: 2x 321N (maybe 1x 777 and 1x 321N on Sat/Sun if the slack is there)
LIH 2x 321N (I think we currently underserve LIH in the Winter)
KOA 1x 321N

910A wrote:

MO11 wrote:

BA744PHX wrote:

I know this was discussed back in May, but looking at both google and hawaiianairlines.com it now shows HNL-PHX-HNL is now loaded as an A330!

So it looks like outbound HA35 on January 1 will be a 767, but inbound HA36 on the same day will be an A330.

I checked today, it looks like now HA 36 on 12/31 will be a a332. American is still showing a333 service. (I suppose still subject to change).

910A wrote:

MO11 wrote:

BA744PHX wrote:

I know this was discussed back in May, but looking at both google and hawaiianairlines.com it now shows HNL-PHX-HNL is now loaded as an A330!

So it looks like outbound HA35 on January 1 will be a 767, but inbound HA36 on the same day will be an A330.

I checked today, it looks like now HA 36 on 12/31 will be a a332. American is still showing a333 service. (I suppose still subject to change).

TripleA wrote:

Don't know if this has been posted yet but apparently Elite Airways already canceled that flight to RST. Did it ever even start?

910A wrote:

TripleA wrote:

Don't know if this has been posted yet but apparently Elite Airways already canceled that flight to RST. Did it ever even start?

No, they cancel RST altogether prior to starting service due to low bookings.

Take a look at the picture on the link. https://www.kaaltv.com/news/elite-airwa ... t/5040908/

travaz wrote:

910A wrote:

TripleA wrote:

Don't know if this has been posted yet but apparently Elite Airways already canceled that flight to RST. Did it ever even start?

No, they cancel RST altogether prior to starting service due to low bookings.

Take a look at the picture on the link. https://www.kaaltv.com/news/elite-airwa ... t/5040908/

I guess the TV station is inferring that the service crashed before it started? That picture is too funny!

alasizon wrote:

MO11 wrote:

Contour starts PGA-PHX on Wednesday.

Any word on what terminal they are using? I'd assume T2 but their logo hasn't been added into the list of airlines over there and I know they were fighting hard to use T4 to allow pax to self-connect to AA and WN easier.

TripleA wrote:

Don't know if this has been posted yet but apparently Elite Airways already canceled that flight to RST. Did it ever even start?

alasizon wrote:

MO11 wrote:

Contour starts PGA-PHX on Wednesday.

Any word on what terminal they are using? I'd assume T2 but their logo hasn't been added into the list of airlines over there and I know they were fighting hard to use T4 to allow pax to self-connect to AA and WN easier.

INFINITI329 wrote:

I wonder if they inquired with AA on renting one of their regional gates on the "birds nest" ? On the east side it seems there is always a gate open or a CR2 thats parked there rather extensively.