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ScrantonUSC wrote:144 PDEW from RDU-SAN. That should be good enough for a new flight, so I think it’s a matter of who pulls the trigger and finding the right plane that’s available. Do the cities have Pharma links?
ScrantonUSC wrote:I’d start to question Delta’s “Focus City” marketing, if Alaska pulls the tigger first. Southwest would also make sense, but despite their market % at RDU, I don’t think it’s their kind of flight.
Noise wrote:Eh common now...Focus City doesn't mean "must serve very viable market under the sun".
With the right aircraft and the right timing, I'm sure DL would do it. I am also certain at AS would do the same if they were ready, given their Focus City ops at SAN.
NCavi8tor wrote:So what if Delta added an evening departure to SAN and a red-eye flight inbound to RDU?
I think such flight timing may not be attractive for business travelers. The west bound flight would arrive very late, and the redeye east bound flight would also be less than desirable.
rajincajun01 wrote:Frontier will be announcing a decent expansion tomorrow at RDU.
ERJ170 wrote:So with F9 now having 15 destinations, is there a need for them to get another gate? if so, where will they go? Is the time now for them to go to T1?
ERJ170 wrote:Maybe they will have enough staff to be able to works gates in T1 and T2... but the bigger question is.. Will DL respond? Will WN? Will anybody?
ncflyer wrote:I only count F9 adds as 1/2 of a new city. Their commitments are so fleeting, they don’t seem to have a real concrete strategy like B6 and WN did when they grew from nothing, the frequency is no suitable to business travelers. Oh yeah, plus on the days they do fly it’s too many seats. Need to keep finding more commitment on these new routes, maybe DL will continue committing.
ScrantonUSC wrote:Allegiant recently announced non-stop to Destin, Flroda, which begins June 8. And Southwest just announced RDU-MCI, which will beat Frontier's recently announced service by 1 day, April 8.
So, we've had a bunch of activity in the last week, but nothing sexy. The recent MCI add is the most significant imo, with it being a daily flight and ending a long bout of stagnation at RDU with Southwest. I'm still suspiciously reserved on Frontiers flurry of new non-stops until I see a schedule.
I'm still patiently waiting for the SAN add
Noise wrote:ScrantonUSC wrote:Allegiant recently announced non-stop to Destin, Flroda, which begins June 8. And Southwest just announced RDU-MCI, which will beat Frontier's recently announced service by 1 day, April 8.
So, we've had a bunch of activity in the last week, but nothing sexy. The recent MCI add is the most significant imo, with it being a daily flight and ending a long bout of stagnation at RDU with Southwest. I'm still suspiciously reserved on Frontiers flurry of new non-stops until I see a schedule.
I'm still patiently waiting for the SAN add
Hoping for AS to pull the trigger on this.
Also hoping for RDU-PDX, with AS.
jplatts wrote:Noise wrote:ScrantonUSC wrote:Allegiant recently announced non-stop to Destin, Flroda, which begins June 8. And Southwest just announced RDU-MCI, which will beat Frontier's recently announced service by 1 day, April 8.
So, we've had a bunch of activity in the last week, but nothing sexy. The recent MCI add is the most significant imo, with it being a daily flight and ending a long bout of stagnation at RDU with Southwest. I'm still suspiciously reserved on Frontiers flurry of new non-stops until I see a schedule.
I'm still patiently waiting for the SAN add
Hoping for AS to pull the trigger on this.
Also hoping for RDU-PDX, with AS.
WN has been recently expanding at OAK, SJC, and SAN in order to better compete against AS in California, and WN might possibly add RDU-SAN nonstop service in response to AS adding RDU-SAN nonstop service.
rajincajun01 wrote:ncflyer wrote:I only count F9 adds as 1/2 of a new city. Their commitments are so fleeting, they don’t seem to have a real concrete strategy like B6 and WN did when they grew from nothing, the frequency is no suitable to business travelers. Oh yeah, plus on the days they do fly it’s too many seats. Need to keep finding more commitment on these new routes, maybe DL will continue committing.
F9 doesn’t target business travelers like they do leisure. Seems their strategy is utilize incentives airports are offering to start point to point service without competition (ex. BUF, MKE, MCI).
rajincajun01 wrote:I doubt you will see WN add MCI now. There isn't enough demand for two carriers on the route.
hockyluv21 wrote:I'm surprised that daily MCI happened before daily MSY. I'm guessing that Southwest will upgauge the frequency there relatively soon, though.
rajincajun01 wrote:G4 CVG-RDU AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 MSY-RDU AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 PGD-RDU JUN 0.4>0.3 JUL 0.4>0.3 AUG 0.5>0.3 SEP 0.4>0.0 OCT 0.5>0.3
G4 PIE-RDU SEP 0.3>0.0 (response to DL going mainline on TPA seasonally?)
G4 RDU-SFB SEP 0.3>0.0
cvgComair wrote:rajincajun01 wrote:G4 CVG-RDU AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 MSY-RDU AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 PGD-RDU JUN 0.4>0.3 JUL 0.4>0.3 AUG 0.5>0.3 SEP 0.4>0.0 OCT 0.5>0.3
G4 PIE-RDU SEP 0.3>0.0 (response to DL going mainline on TPA seasonally?)
G4 RDU-SFB SEP 0.3>0.0
These are probably not real changes, this is pretty typical when G4 extends their schedule. Usually very few of these cuts are actually happening.
rajincajun01 wrote:
OAG has some good and bad news this week:
AA DFW-RDU JUL 5>6
B6 BOS-RDU SEP 5>6
B6 JFK-RDU JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
G4 CVG-RDU AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 MSY-RDU AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 PGD-RDU JUN 0.4>0.3 JUL 0.4>0.3 AUG 0.5>0.3 SEP 0.4>0.0 OCT 0.5>0.3
G4 PIE-RDU SEP 0.3>0.0 (response to DL going mainline on TPA seasonally?)
G4 RDU-SFB SEP 0.3>0.0
WN LAS-RDU JUL 1.8>1.1 (in response to F9?)
WN MSY-RDU AUG 0.3>0.2 SEP 0.3>0.2
Midwestindy wrote:cvgComair wrote:rajincajun01 wrote:G4 CVG-RDU AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 MSY-RDU AUG 0.3>0.1
G4 PGD-RDU JUN 0.4>0.3 JUL 0.4>0.3 AUG 0.5>0.3 SEP 0.4>0.0 OCT 0.5>0.3
G4 PIE-RDU SEP 0.3>0.0 (response to DL going mainline on TPA seasonally?)
G4 RDU-SFB SEP 0.3>0.0
These are probably not real changes, this is pretty typical when G4 extends their schedule. Usually very few of these cuts are actually happening.
Those are real, they all check out... remember G4 is losing 7 planes by the end of the year so cuts are being made.
ERJ170 wrote:currently 67 daily pax, 75,400 pax flew to the Triangle in 2017 (more than PHL, MCO, STL),
cvgComair wrote:Some DL changes for RDU:
RDU-AUS goes from daily to 5x/wk effective April 7 (loaded earlier, but not discussed here)
RDU-DCA gains Sat service effective March 10
RDU-EWR gains Sat service effective May 19
RDU-CVG gains Sat service effective June 16
Rafale9312 wrote:cvgComair wrote:Some DL changes for RDU:
RDU-AUS goes from daily to 5x/wk effective April 7 (loaded earlier, but not discussed here)
RDU-DCA gains Sat service effective March 10
RDU-EWR gains Sat service effective May 19
RDU-CVG gains Sat service effective June 16
That's interesting. First AUS lost its upgauge now it's losing frequency. Is this flight not doing so hot for DL?
Noise wrote:Rafale9312 wrote:cvgComair wrote:Some DL changes for RDU:
RDU-AUS goes from daily to 5x/wk effective April 7 (loaded earlier, but not discussed here)
RDU-DCA gains Sat service effective March 10
RDU-EWR gains Sat service effective May 19
RDU-CVG gains Sat service effective June 16
That's interesting. First AUS lost its upgauge now it's losing frequency. Is this flight not doing so hot for DL?
Wouldn't surprise me if this flight is struggling a little. F9 entering the market must hurt DL.
Midwestindy wrote:Noise wrote:Rafale9312 wrote:That's interesting. First AUS lost its upgauge now it's losing frequency. Is this flight not doing so hot for DL?
Wouldn't surprise me if this flight is struggling a little. F9 entering the market must hurt DL.
It was 5x weekly almost all of last year, so the RDU-AUS flight is basically the same schedule it was last year
Midwestindy wrote:Noise wrote:Rafale9312 wrote:
That's interesting. First AUS lost its upgauge now it's losing frequency. Is this flight not doing so hot for DL?
Wouldn't surprise me if this flight is struggling a little. F9 entering the market must hurt DL.
It was 5x weekly almost all of last year, so the RDU-AUS flight is basically the same schedule it was last year