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Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:50 pm

Probably makes it less likely that we will see CX expand in CPH?
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:54 pm

Maybe cx will move to Arn?
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:20 pm

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SAS opens CPH-HKG, closes ARN-HKG as of end October.
https://www.sasgroup.net/en/sas-opens-n ... hong-kong/

So, 8 weekly flights from CPH to HKG as of next October. Talking about long-haul flights, this year has been pretty bad for ARN. Number of flights to LAX and OAK will decrease pretty much, they lost LAS and now they lost their only service to HKG. What next? However, ARN gets new direct connections to PVG and MCO this year.
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Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:25 pm

Blerg wrote:
okobjorn wrote:
SAS opens CPH-HKG, closes ARN-HKG as of end October.
https://www.sasgroup.net/en/sas-opens-n ... hong-kong/


Given how many people praised ARN-HKG on here I expected it to last longer than that. Moving it to CPH makes more sense given the size of their network there.


I’m sure the Swedish tax makes it more desirable to move capacity to CPH
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Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:26 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
okobjorn wrote:
SAS opens CPH-HKG, closes ARN-HKG as of end October.
https://www.sasgroup.net/en/sas-opens-n ... hong-kong/

So, 8 weekly flights from CPH to HKG as of next October.

CX route is summer seasonal.
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:41 pm

Nami wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
okobjorn wrote:
SAS opens CPH-HKG, closes ARN-HKG as of end October.
https://www.sasgroup.net/en/sas-opens-n ... hong-kong/

So, 8 weekly flights from CPH to HKG as of next October.

CX route is summer seasonal.

True. 5 weekly in winter and 8 weekly in summer season (if CX will continue operating on the route).
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Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:46 pm

Oykie wrote:
Blerg wrote:
okobjorn wrote:
SAS opens CPH-HKG, closes ARN-HKG as of end October.
https://www.sasgroup.net/en/sas-opens-n ... hong-kong/


Given how many people praised ARN-HKG on here I expected it to last longer than that. Moving it to CPH makes more sense given the size of their network there.


I’m sure the Swedish tax makes it more desirable to move capacity to CPH



How much is the tax? I guess loads and yields weren't as great to keep it despite the tax.
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:08 pm

Blerg wrote:
Oykie wrote:
Blerg wrote:

Given how many people praised ARN-HKG on here I expected it to last longer than that. Moving it to CPH makes more sense given the size of their network there.


I’m sure the Swedish tax makes it more desirable to move capacity to CPH



How much is the tax? I guess loads and yields weren't as great to keep it despite the tax.




40 euro so for a SAS A330 we are talking about 10000 euro in increased costs from ARN compared to CPH.
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:31 pm

okobjorn wrote:
SAS opens CPH-HKG, closes ARN-HKG as of end October.
https://www.sasgroup.net/en/sas-opens-n ... hong-kong/


Does that mean that two of the four A330E will be moved from ARN to CPH and that one A330 will be moved from CPH to ARN?
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:44 pm

SK A330-300 wrote:
okobjorn wrote:
SAS opens CPH-HKG, closes ARN-HKG as of end October.
https://www.sasgroup.net/en/sas-opens-n ... hong-kong/


Does that mean that two of the four A330E will be moved from ARN to CPH and that one A330 will be moved from CPH to ARN?


Remains to be seen, but it is clear some reshuffling of both aircraft and schedule will happen
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:13 pm

Wow, ARN has lost quite a few long haul routes now. DY dropping OAK, LAS, and LAX. Now SAS dropping HKG from ARN. Has taken a few years to build up all of these routes, and all have been dropped the last few weeks.

Wonder what will happen with the extra A330 available now. HKG was routed as ARN-HKG-ARN-ORD-ARN with 2x A330s doing the route.
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Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:13 pm

Sad to see the flight move to Copenhagen. And sad to see the schedule change from day to night. As an economy class passenger I prefer daytime flights. And when flying to the east I prefer flights to arrive in the morning. The Arlanda flights were perfect in that way.
 
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Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:43 am

Avinor has approved a 3,3 billion NOK investment to OSL. They will expand the out of schengen area. Wonder what else, and if they will add pre clearance facility to the U.S.?
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Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:28 am

Oykie wrote:
Avinor has approved a 3,3 billion NOK investment to OSL. They will expand the out of schengen area. Wonder what else, and if they will add pre clearance facility to the U.S.?


Already a thread on this here:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1396647
 
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Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:29 am

SK A330-300 wrote:
Does that mean that two of the four A330E will be moved from ARN to CPH and that one A330 will be moved from CPH to ARN?


CPH-HKG is listed being flown with an A340-300
 
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Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:49 am

Someone83 wrote:
SK A330-300 wrote:
Does that mean that two of the four A330E will be moved from ARN to CPH and that one A330 will be moved from CPH to ARN?


CPH-HKG is listed being flown with an A340-300


Ok, but one A330E needs to be moved to CPH as it is no longer needed at ARN and CPH does not have the capacity to start HKG. If CPH-HKG is going to use A340 the A330E will probably be used on a route out of CPH that is currently flown by an A340 (PEK, ORD, SFO?).
 
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Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:17 am

Good decision. Considering AY stealing lot of Swedish paxes and the tax. Cph catchment area would be more focused on South Norway and North Germany/Poland.
 
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Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:04 pm

Is SK's ARN-LAX also moving to CPH?
 
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Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:41 am

The Arvidsjaur and Gällivare routes from ARN have been temporarily solved, by two bus routes. To provide some connections while Trafikverket is looking for a new operator there will be a bus route from Gällivare to Kiruna airport and one from Arvidsjaur to Skellefteå airport.

Press release (in Swedish): https://via.tt.se/pressmeddelande/klart ... Id=2842682
 
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Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:24 pm

aviationlover7 wrote:
Is SK's ARN-LAX also moving to CPH?

According to this story (behind easily bypassable paywall) there are no plans for such a move but they leave the opportunity open.
 
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Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:34 pm

Nami wrote:
aviationlover7 wrote:
Is SK's ARN-LAX also moving to CPH?

According to this story (behind easily bypassable paywall) there are no plans for such a move but they leave the opportunity open.


So is CPH gonna take over all long haul ?
 
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Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:09 pm

Mortyman wrote:
Nami wrote:
aviationlover7 wrote:
Is SK's ARN-LAX also moving to CPH?

According to this story (behind easily bypassable paywall) there are no plans for such a move but they leave the opportunity open.


So is CPH gonna take over all long haul ?

If SK canceled ARN-LAX, there would be ARN-MIA, EWR and ORD left. EWR would surely be the last to be ended but I don't see that happening, same with ORD.
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Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:09 am

ANA plans 787-9 tour charters to Basel/Muhouse, Bergen, Dubrovnik, Ljubljana, Stockholm in June and July 2018

https://mobile.twitter.com/Airlineroute ... 8378371073

It remains to be seen whether SAS or ANA will be the first one with scheduled ARN-TYO.
 
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Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:31 am

Wizzair is starting 2x weekly LTN-TOS from December 14th
 
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Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:58 am

Nami wrote:
aviationlover7 wrote:
Is SK's ARN-LAX also moving to CPH?

According to this story (behind easily bypassable paywall) there are no plans for such a move but they leave the opportunity open.


How do you bypass it?
 
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Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:59 am

Norwegian increases flights from HEL in W18

New route (already mentioned):
Helsinki – Agadir eff 03NOV18 1 weekly 737 MAX 8
D8762 HEL1210 – 1550AGA 7M8 6
D8763 AGA1650 – 0030+1HEL 7M8 6

Increased frequencies:
Helsinki – Krakow eff 28OCT18 Increase from 2 to 4 weekly
Helsinki – London Gatwick eff 28OCT18 Increase from 13 to 14 weekly
Helsinki – Malaga eff 28OCT18 Increase from 14 to 16 weekly
Helsinki – Marrakech eff 31OCT18 Increase from 1 to 2 weekly


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Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:20 am

Finnair will again operate two round-trip A350 flights to San Francisco next winter on 2 Dec 2018 and 6 Dec 2018. (Routesonline)

I wonder, when will Finnair start flying to the US with A350 on a regular basis.
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Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:42 am

QuawerAir wrote:
Finnair will again operate two round-trip A350 flights to San Francisco next winter on 2 Dec 2018 and 6 Dec 2018. (Routesonline)

I wonder, when will Finnair start flying to the US with A350 on a regular basis.


How does the hard product differ between the A330 and A350? Earlier this year on my way home to LA I routed myself ARN-HEL-JFK-LAX as I wanted to try AY’s long haul product for the first time. I found the service and the A330 fine, so I am not sure how much of an upgrade the A350 will be.
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Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:24 am

B747forever wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
Finnair will again operate two round-trip A350 flights to San Francisco next winter on 2 Dec 2018 and 6 Dec 2018. (Routesonline)

I wonder, when will Finnair start flying to the US with A350 on a regular basis.


How does the hard product differ between the A330 and A350? Earlier this year on my way home to LA I routed myself ARN-HEL-JFK-LAX as I wanted to try AY’s long haul product for the first time. I found the service and the A330 fine, so I am not sure how much of an upgrade the A350 will be.


The AY A333 cabins are a bit worn out, a face lift planned though. And the IFE system feels old comparing to A350. Some prefer the A333 bisnes seats though, more room for sleeping comparing to AY A350, personally I like their A350 more. Better air quality for one thing.

Those A350 flighst in early December are tailored for the Slush Helsinki start up event.
 
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Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:52 am

Passenger numbers at Keflavík airport May 2018.
departing 223,788, arriving 233,819, transfer 376,775, together 834,382, 26.5 % increase over May 2017

Year to day:
departing 819,884, arriving 807,251, transfer 809,783, together 2,436,918, 11.6 % increase over 2017
 
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Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:37 pm

SAS will lease 2 A320neo from ALC. This should be part of the announcement for 50 A320neo for SAS from this year, which 35 is coming directly from Airbus and 15 from leasing companies. These should be 2 of those 15

SAS has yet to announce engines for this second batch, but at least these two are with CFMs, so expect them to continue with it as well

https://www.airleasecorp.com/press/air- ... t-with-sas
 
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Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:00 am

QuawerAir wrote:
Finnair will again operate two round-trip A350 flights to San Francisco next winter on 2 Dec 2018 and 6 Dec 2018.


It seems these "Lush" flights always have something fun going on, that's what happened in 2016: https://youtu.be/gnigL3ggyVU

A recent Finnair A350 BKK-HEL flight, identical twins in the cockpit: https://twitter.com/HeidiJuopperi/statu ... 1898853376
 
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Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:56 pm

Not too much runway to spare.

Brussels Airlines to operate Airbus A319 towards Stockholm Bromma (Winter 2018/2019)

Currently Cityjet is operating all flights to the Swedish capital with Sukhoi Superjets, the capacity on the route will now be increased with the bigger A319. The landing and take-off, however, will be a challenge because the runway is only 1,668 meters long.

http://www.aviation24.be/airlines/lufth ... 2018-2019/
 
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Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:36 am

Some more charters from Switzerland to Lapland for the winter:

SWISS customers in the Geneva region will enjoy new flights to Kittilä in Lapland (Finland) in the coming winter timetable period. The weekly Saturday service will operate between 22 December and 2 March, and is bookable exclusively via Kontiki, the specialist Scandinavian tour operator.

http://www.aviation24.be/airlines/lufth ... 2018-2019/
 
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Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:46 pm

Haven't seen it mentioned here yet but Kristianstad in southern Sweden is to lose its connection with Stockholm. Sparrow are ending the link to Arlanda on 24 June 2018. I imagine that with Malmo and Ronneby there just aren't quite enough passengers to go around.

I understand the route may have received some sort of Govt support. It looks as if Kristianstad airport may end up with very few passengers apart from the odd summer charter.
 
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Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:27 pm

Interesting stuff going on around the World Cup game in Volgograd. WOW air and Icelandair operated a charter flight from KEF each and had to park their aircraft quite far away, with WOW air's TF-SON currently in Vilnius and Icelandair's TF-ISK in Mineralnye Vody ...

http://worldcupcharters.blogspot.com/20 ... -2018.html
 
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Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:06 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Haven't seen it mentioned here yet but Kristianstad in southern Sweden is to lose its connection with Stockholm. Sparrow are ending the link to Arlanda on 24 June 2018. I imagine that with Malmo and Ronneby there just aren't quite enough passengers to go around.

I understand the route may have received some sort of Govt support. It looks as if Kristianstad airport may end up with very few passengers apart from the odd summer charter.



And already two new operators. Air leap will fly SAAB340 28 times per week to Arlanda and BRA will start flying to Bromma.
 
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Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:47 pm

A cynic might wonder if this is an attempt by BRA to prevent Air Leap rising from the ashes of Nextjet and potentially being a long term competitor on regional Swedish domestic routes.

Kristianstad-Stockholm is not a busy route at the best of times. Far too much capacity is being thrown at the route by two airlines. Passengers will know there is room for only one airline to be profitable and thus one airline will end up being forced off the route. BRA has the financial resource to survive a fare war that maybe Air Leap cannot survive - pax know this and would likely book with BRA rather than Air Leap to have confidence their ticket will not evaporate in bankruptcy and that the airline issuing the ticket will be able to honour the transport commitment.
 
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Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:12 am


Small planes mean big business in Finnair’s plans for China
South China Morning Post

The next leap for Finnair could be buying smaller long-range planes to reach more cities in mainland China and the rest of Asia and turn to all-economy class long-haul flights to keep its competition at bay, Finnair’s outgoing CEO told the Post.

[...]

There are concerns in the industry that too much growth could be a negative thing as rising oil prices and labour costs would hit airlines hard and fast, and the Finnair chief acknowledged his company was growing “very rapidly”.

“Maybe we need to reconsider whether we are growing too fast but … [it] is for the new CEO and the board to set the targets.”

Finnair is looking at the “possibilities” of using new long-range single aisle aircraft which carry 200 people, to fly to smaller cities in China where bigger wide-body jets with double the passengers would be harder to fill.

The idea of smaller planes “wasn’t very attractive” for the airline as they were not capable of flying longer and reaching new destinations.

“But now the range looks a little bit extended and maybe there is a way to cover the smaller cities in China [from Helsinki],” Vauramo said.

Finnair in the medium-term looks set to open up more destinations in China. The airline is trying to add more flights to Beijing and Shanghai, but the country’s two biggest and busiest airports are almost full.


Long-haul flights with a narrow-body aircraft seem to be part of Finnair's future as well, and Airbus A321neo in Finnair fleet seems to be more likely. Hopefully, the aircraft will have personal IFE otherwise, the passengers might get bored. The range of A321neo is 7,499 km so the aircraft could reach cities like Shenyang, Urumqi and numerous cities in India for example. Of course, the range is not that big practically but probably around 6,500-7,000 km.
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Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:59 am

QuawerAir wrote:

Small planes mean big business in Finnair’s plans for China
South China Morning Post

The next leap for Finnair could be buying smaller long-range planes to reach more cities in mainland China and the rest of Asia and turn to all-economy class long-haul flights to keep its competition at bay, Finnair’s outgoing CEO told the Post.

[...]

There are concerns in the industry that too much growth could be a negative thing as rising oil prices and labour costs would hit airlines hard and fast, and the Finnair chief acknowledged his company was growing “very rapidly”.

“Maybe we need to reconsider whether we are growing too fast but … [it] is for the new CEO and the board to set the targets.”

Finnair is looking at the “possibilities” of using new long-range single aisle aircraft which carry 200 people, to fly to smaller cities in China where bigger wide-body jets with double the passengers would be harder to fill.

The idea of smaller planes “wasn’t very attractive” for the airline as they were not capable of flying longer and reaching new destinations.

“But now the range looks a little bit extended and maybe there is a way to cover the smaller cities in China [from Helsinki],” Vauramo said.

Finnair in the medium-term looks set to open up more destinations in China. The airline is trying to add more flights to Beijing and Shanghai, but the country’s two biggest and busiest airports are almost full.


Long-haul flights with a narrow-body aircraft seem to be part of Finnair's future as well, and Airbus A321neo in Finnair fleet seems to be more likely. Hopefully, the aircraft will have personal IFE otherwise, the passengers might get bored. The range of A321neo is 7,499 km so the aircraft could reach cities like Shenyang, Urumqi and numerous cities in India for example. Of course, the range is not that big practically but probably around 6,500-7,000 km.


"Smaller cities" ... it is very relative.

Would "new long-range single aisle aircraft which carry 200 people" refer to A321LR or something to be announced. A321 with a business class does not carry 200 people, without talking about cargo which is relevant for AY (yes, fish).

A321LR will fly non-stop to western China, but probably not to eastern cities, as the flight paths in China tend to be complicated. Nevertheless, the connection schedules with 24 h rotation would allow a fuel stop without problems. Otherwise it would cause waiting elsewhere. Alternatively, the direct 6-7 h flights could be scheduled to arrive at HEL for morning banks, or depart HEL after evening bank (the standard bank being at afternoon).
 
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Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:24 am

The original wording in the article:

Finnair is looking at the “possibilities” of using new long-range single aisle aircraft which carry 200 people, to fly to smaller cities in China where bigger widebody jets with double the passengers cannot reach.

Are there any significant airports in China with short runways or was that just a simple brain fade from the writer?

Personally I can’t see A321LR flying in AY colors anytime soon. Not too much cargo capacity as said above.
 
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Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:49 am

Nami wrote:
Not too much runway to spare.

Brussels Airlines to operate Airbus A319 towards Stockholm Bromma (Winter 2018/2019)

Currently Cityjet is operating all flights to the Swedish capital with Sukhoi Superjets, the capacity on the route will now be increased with the bigger A319. The landing and take-off, however, will be a challenge because the runway is only 1,668 meters long.

http://www.aviation24.be/airlines/lufth ... 2018-2019/


Does anyone have any more information about this? Will they have to reduce the amount of passengers to be able to take off? Larger aircraft than an A319 have landed at BMA, but they have been on demo flights and probably rather empty.
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:23 pm

Hi Nordic thread :)

I was in Finland over the weekend and flew to Tampere from Dublin via Helsinki. It was a lovely experience with Finnair, a very nice airline.

My friends and I were wondering about Tampere Airport. It has less than 10 short haul flights a day, but two terminals. One terminal seems to be just used by Ryanair, with maybe a flight per day?

Is there any reason for this? It seemed odd!
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:37 pm

Today on the 25th of June it has been 50 years since Aero changed it's name to Finnair. The name Finnair was used in marketing already in 1953 but the official name change didn't happen until 1968.

I have to say I'm a bit disappointed that AY didn't choose to introduce a special livery for either this occasion or Finland's centennial (like LOT) or the 95 years they have soon operated. Well... maybe in five years.
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:08 pm

gosimeon wrote:
Hi Nordic thread :)

I was in Finland over the weekend and flew to Tampere from Dublin via Helsinki. It was a lovely experience with Finnair, a very nice airline.

My friends and I were wondering about Tampere Airport. It has less than 10 short haul flights a day, but two terminals. One terminal seems to be just used by Ryanair, with maybe a flight per day?

Is there any reason for this? It seemed odd!


TMP T2 used to be a cargo terminal, it was converted into passnger terminal just for FR, as they wanted cheaper operational costs. At the moment there's only four weekly FR flights from TMP, Bremen and Budapest both twice weekly.
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:09 pm

gosimeon wrote:
Hi Nordic thread :)

I was in Finland over the weekend and flew to Tampere from Dublin via Helsinki. It was a lovely experience with Finnair, a very nice airline.

My friends and I were wondering about Tampere Airport. It has less than 10 short haul flights a day, but two terminals. One terminal seems to be just used by Ryanair, with maybe a flight per day?

Is there any reason for this? It seemed odd!


The passenger numbers in TMP has dropped more than 2/3 in ten years from 700K to 200K, mainly because Ryanair cut their services. The Tampere region has some 330K people but HEL is relatively close (170km) and at the same time TMP is too far/hard to reach from the capital region to be it's secondary airport.

Pity you had such a stormy midsummer weekend in Finland, the summer started exceptionally sunny ;)

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Today on the 25th of June it has been 50 years since Aero changed it's name to Finnair. The name Finnair was used in marketing already in 1953 but the official name change didn't happen until 1968.

I have to say I'm a bit disappointed that AY didn't choose to introduce a special livery for either this occasion or Finland's centennial (like LOT) or the 95 years they have soon operated. Well... maybe in five years.


Yeah same here, I expected a special livery for Finland's centennial especially, even a Helsinki tram had one.. Well perhaps they are saving for their own centennial in 2023. Probably some Marimekko patterns and Christmas reindeers coming before that.
 
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Re: Nordic aviation - 2018

Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:57 am

Bostrom wrote:
Nami wrote:
Not too much runway to spare.

Brussels Airlines to operate Airbus A319 towards Stockholm Bromma (Winter 2018/2019)

Currently Cityjet is operating all flights to the Swedish capital with Sukhoi Superjets, the capacity on the route will now be increased with the bigger A319. The landing and take-off, however, will be a challenge because the runway is only 1,668 meters long.

http://www.aviation24.be/airlines/lufth ... 2018-2019/


Does anyone have any more information about this? Will they have to reduce the amount of passengers to be able to take off? Larger aircraft than an A319 have landed at BMA, but they have been on demo flights and probably rather empty.


There is no problem. Stockholm - Brussels is about 700 nm which is a small fraction of the A319 range capability.

They will just load 30-35,000 lbs less fuel than what is needed to fly deep into Africa. And there will be plenty of runway to spare.
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Re: Nordic aviation - 2018

Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:47 am

Aegean Airlines extends Helsinki to year-round service in W18

Following routes previously not served during winter season FY2017/18 is being extended to year-round:
Athens – Helsinki 2 weekly service
A3764 ATH0855 – 1240HEL 320 25
A3765 HEL1325 – 1700ATH 320 25

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Re: Nordic aviation - 2018

Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:43 am

I have to admit I am happy that SK is moving their HKG route to CPH. ARN is a pretty horrific transfer experience - narrow terminals, long walks, horrendous queues at passport control and security and separate terminals for domestic and international flights.

I don't know why Swedavia cannot integrate Terminal 4 into Terminal 5 by building a segregated corridor, thus creating a one terminal concept for both domestic and international flights like is now the case at CPH, GOT, HEL and OSL (despite having to go through a customs check) to name but a few.

ARN needs to get its act together if it isn't going to lose any more long haul routes.
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Re: Nordic aviation - 2018

Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:08 pm

SKAirbus wrote:
I have to admit I am happy that SK is moving their HKG route to CPH. ARN is a pretty horrific transfer experience - narrow terminals, long walks, horrendous queues at passport control and security and separate terminals for domestic and international flights.

I don't know why Swedavia cannot integrate Terminal 4 into Terminal 5 by building a segregated corridor, thus creating a one terminal concept for both domestic and international flights like is now the case at CPH, GOT, HEL and OSL (despite having to go through a customs check) to name but a few.

ARN needs to get its act together if it isn't going to lose any more long haul routes.


I agree that CPH and OSL is more convenient. I have not tried GOT or HEL. What also makes ARN less competitive is the the added tax. The tax is simply too great.
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