Nordic aviation - 2018

QuawerAir · Sun May 13, 2018 5:32 pm

ilari wrote:
AY started Nanjing (NKG) today, their 7th destination in China. This will be served year-round. What's next, finally a permission to double PEK?

Probably. I see that happening after the new Beijing airport is opened next year. There should be a lot of free slots at PEK after that. But I wonder, which city will be Finnair's next new destination in China.

factsonly · Sun May 13, 2018 5:39 pm

KLM inaugural of its new daily AMS-VAXJO service with E75, starting 14 May 2018:

- 14 May 2018 AMS 12.00 - VXO 13.35 KL1089 E75 Daily ex.Sat
- 14 May 2018 AMS 16:05 - VXO 17:40 KL1091 E75 Sat only

- 14 May 2018 VXO 14.05 - AMS 15.50 KL1090 E75 Daily ex.Sat
- 14 May 2018 VXO 18:10 - AMS 19:55 KL1092 E75 Sat only

After AMS-ARN 6x daily, AMS-GOT 6x daily and AMS-LPI 3x daily this is KLM's 4th destination and 16th daily frequency to/from Sweden.

KLM operated to MMX in the past.

Fitlikemin · Sun May 13, 2018 7:10 pm

Someone83 wrote:
New BGO-ABZ is showing 5x weekly (Dx67) with 737. I'm a little suprised it doesn't show CRJ-900, but it might be changed. It will also compete with Widerøe's BGO-ABZ

Which airline - SAS? I thought they code-shared with Widerøe.

Someone83 · Sun May 13, 2018 7:35 pm

Fitlikemin wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
New BGO-ABZ is showing 5x weekly (Dx67) with 737. I'm a little suprised it doesn't show CRJ-900, but it might be changed. It will also compete with Widerøe's BGO-ABZ

Which airline - SAS? I thought they code-shared with Widerøe.

Yes and yes

Someone83 · Mon May 14, 2018 1:00 pm

CPH april 2018: 2.496.509 (+3,2%)

Changes:
Domestic +11%
Europe +2,8%
Intercontinental +2,8%

Nami · Tue May 15, 2018 8:35 am

HEL-BGO launches today, with Finnair and Widerøe also entering a codeshare partnership a bit later:

Within the codeshare agreement, Finnair’s AY code will be added to several routes operated by Widerøe from Finnair’s current destinations in Norway - Oslo, Bergen and Tromsø. The codeshare agreement extends Finnair’s reach in Norway, and offers new connections for Finnair’s customers traveling to and from Norway.

From 25th of May onwards Finnair customers can connect with Widerøe’s flights from

Oslo to Florø, Ørsta-Volda, Svolvær, Leknes and Stokmarknes
Bergen to Tromsø, Bodø, Kristiansund, Molde, Florø and to Billund in Denmark
Tromsø to Kirkenes and to Stokmarknes.

https://company.finnair.com/en/media/al ... id=2918896

vhqpa · Tue May 15, 2018 9:34 am

Hey, does anyone know typically when SK release the aircraft codes for the NW season. I have a couple of 737 sectors booked in NOV/DEC. At the moment every SK 737 flight shows up as 73W. But if I check flights within the NS they are broken down to 736/73G/73W/738/73H.

Nami · Tue May 15, 2018 10:24 am

Double-digit growth continued at HEL in April 2018

Domestic: 256.055 (+10.7%)
International: 1.425.006 (+12.1%)
Total: 1.681.061 (+11.9%)

QuawerAir · Tue May 15, 2018 2:54 pm

I'm not sure if already posted but Qatar Airways timetable shows 2x daily Airbus A350-900 operation for ARN in W18/19.

QuawerAir · Tue May 15, 2018 7:21 pm

As I wrote earlier, Finnair may commence HEL-PUS service already by the end of 2018 and now Finnair has started "advertising" Busan in Twitter so it looks like the planned new service really might be announced soon. I wonder, at what stage the negotiations are though. Is Finnair also able to increase flights to ICN soon, in addition to the possible launch of PUS?

Nami · Tue May 15, 2018 7:54 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
and now Finnair has started "advertising" Busan in Twitter so it looks like

That means zilch. As you can see on their website or reading their in-flight magazine AY (like almost all airlines) has many promotional pieces for cities and destinations they don't offer nonstop flights to.

It doesn't appear as if the puzzle with KE, OZ and MOLIT will be resolved any time soon.

Mortyman · Tue May 15, 2018 9:24 pm

Norwegian has started a New route:

Copenhagen - Amman, Jordan:

https://www.hangar.no/forste-norwegian- ... -i-jordan/

QuawerAir · Wed May 16, 2018 3:38 am

Nami wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
and now Finnair has started "advertising" Busan in Twitter so it looks like

That means zilch. As you can see on their website or reading their in-flight magazine AY (like almost all airlines) has many promotional pieces for cities and destinations they don't offer nonstop flights to.

It doesn't appear as if the puzzle with KE, OZ and MOLIT will be resolved any time soon.

It may have a connection to recent news about planned service to PUS. I don't think it's a coincidence that the Tweet was posted almost right after the latest news were published and it's exactly Busan.

okobjorn · Wed May 16, 2018 7:14 am

This morning's Air Greenland flight goes to Pituffik/Thule (THU) instead of Kangerlussuaq (SFJ). Anyone who knows why?

patrickw421 · Wed May 16, 2018 12:16 pm

Nextjet has just filed for bankruptcy today (16 May) and canceled all flights from 1300 local time

https://www.thelocal.se/20180516/swedish-airline-cancels-all-flights-after-filing-for-bankruptcy

QuawerAir · Wed May 16, 2018 12:37 pm

patrickw421 wrote:
Nextjet has just filed for bankruptcy today (16 May) and canceled all flights from 1300 local time

https://www.thelocal.se/20180516/swedish-airline-cancels-all-flights-after-filing-for-bankruptcy

I didn't expect that happening! Unfortunately, NextJet was the only operator on Pori-Helsinki route and the carrier had a good network in Finland.

Bostrom · Wed May 16, 2018 6:43 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
patrickw421 wrote:
Nextjet has just filed for bankruptcy today (16 May) and canceled all flights from 1300 local time

https://www.thelocal.se/20180516/swedish-airline-cancels-all-flights-after-filing-for-bankruptcy

I didn't expect that happening! Unfortunately, NextJet was the only operator on Pori-Helsinki route and the carrier had a good network in Finland.

They were the only operator on most of their domestic routes in Sweden as well.

Mortyman · Wed May 16, 2018 9:42 pm

patrickw421 wrote:
Nextjet has just filed for bankruptcy today (16 May) and canceled all flights from 1300 local time

https://www.thelocal.se/20180516/swedish-airline-cancels-all-flights-after-filing-for-bankruptcy

Already a thread about it

prebennorholm · Thu May 17, 2018 1:50 am

okobjorn wrote:
This morning's Air Greenland flight goes to Pituffik/Thule (THU) instead of Kangerlussuaq (SFJ). Anyone who knows why?

Happens usually every month, not "instead of", but in addition to normal CPH-SFJ schedule. Have a look at https://info.flightmapper.net/flight/Ai ... nd_GL_6801

Even if Pituffik (or Thule Air Base) is an American base, then there are a lot of Danish contract workers employed there. They need to get exchanged, go on holiday, and to receive plenty of heavy cargo in order to survive.

Flight isn't listed as a normal passenger flight, open for booking, likely because you cannot step on Pituffik soil without special permission from the US base authorities. Which you won't get unless you have business to do there.

It happened the same way also fifty years ago, only with SAS DC-7C instead of Air Greenland A330.

patrickw421 · Thu May 17, 2018 2:41 am

Mortyman wrote:
patrickw421 wrote:
Nextjet has just filed for bankruptcy today (16 May) and canceled all flights from 1300 local time

https://www.thelocal.se/20180516/swedish-airline-cancels-all-flights-after-filing-for-bankruptcy

Already a thread about it

But if you look at the time mine was actually a few minutes before that thread

QuawerAir · Fri May 18, 2018 7:50 am

Air China will fly to CPH 3x weekly, instead of 4x weekly in W18/19.

Routesonline

MalevTU134 · Fri May 18, 2018 8:36 am

patrickw421 wrote:
Mortyman wrote:
patrickw421 wrote:
Nextjet has just filed for bankruptcy today (16 May) and canceled all flights from 1300 local time

https://www.thelocal.se/20180516/swedish-airline-cancels-all-flights-after-filing-for-bankruptcy

Already a thread about it

But if you look at the time mine was actually a few minutes before that thread

Not that it matters, but yours was 56 minutes after that thread.

Nami · Sat May 19, 2018 1:17 pm

Inaugural HEL-TOS flights today were with Q400... is Embraer late on E2 deliveries for Widerøe?

Someone83 · Sat May 19, 2018 1:28 pm

Nami wrote:
Inaugural HEL-TOS flights today were with Q400... is Embraer late on E2 deliveries for Widerøe?

Yes, the second one, LN-WEB was a little late and was just delivered and not yet ready for service

QuawerAir · Mon May 21, 2018 6:39 am

The current CEO of Finnair, Pekka Vauramo, leaves Finnair by November 2018. He will move to Metso, a Finnish industrial machinery company. Search for new CEO begins immediately.

I liked him and he has been doing great job at Finnair. Hopefully, the next CEO will be at least as good as Mr. Vauramo.

Yle.fi (in Finnish)

Nami · Mon May 21, 2018 10:34 pm

It might be interesting to see a non-Finnish CEO at AY for the first time. But as Finnair is a political hot potato, it's quite unlikely.

QuawerAir · Mon May 28, 2018 6:06 am

QATAR Airways has cancelled planned A350-900XWB service to Copenhagen, previously scheduled from 01AUG18. 787-8 will continue to operate until 30SEP18, and planned 777-300ER service will begin on 01OCT18, instead of 28OCT18

Twitter

Nami · Mon May 28, 2018 3:17 pm

Finnair is getting some questionable publicity yet again. After being blacklisted last autumn by the Consumers’ Union and the Consumer Ombudsman filing an application to the Market Court for an injunction for Finnair’s practice of denying passengers the full standard compensation following a cancellation or delay due to an unexpected techical fault, AY has now also been blacklisted by the Consumer Disputes Board for failure to follow the recommendations of the board regarding consumer protections.

The case that lead Finnair to the black list concerned a traveler who missed her connecting flight from Hong Kong to Melbourne, because her Finnair flight to Hong Kong was delayed due to technical fault. Finnair refused to pay the customer the recommended 600-euro compensation, arguing that the delay constituted ”an unforeseen circumstance.”

The Consumer Disputes Board disagreed, saying that an unforeseen circumstance is only rarely related to a technical fault.

Instead of paying the passengers the standard compensation of 600 euros, Finnair usually offers them a voucher or cash that is lower in value, Finland's Consumer Ombudsman said last year. In addition, Finnair gives consumers a misleading picture of the current legal practice, the carrier's obligations and passenger rights, the board added.

Yle News 25.5.2018

In a separate legal case made public last week, Finnair's reluctance to pay EU261 compensation of 600 euros ended up with AY losing the case in the District Court of Helsinki, which ordered AY to pay the legal costs of both parties and the collection expenses, in total over €22,000. The dispute started in 2014 when a Danish passenger's flight from SIN was 8.5 hours late due to a blocked toilet and crew rest requirements. The man first tried to seek compensation through a Danish company Flyforsinkelse, but to no avail. As AY was unwilling to pay the passenger had to resort to a law firm in Finland after which AY agreed to pay the compensation but not the full collection costs that were caused to the man by having to use an attorney. AY may still appeal to the Court of Appeals so the the verdict may change.

All in all - really poor show from AY, especially as stated by the chairman of the CDB: "state-owned businesses should serve as an example when it comes to protecting consumer rights."

Nami · Tue May 29, 2018 8:42 am

Finnair starts flight to HAJ (Hanover):

Continuing with its growth in the German market, Finnair will be launching a new route to Hanover, Germany, next summer. The new route will start on April 29 with five weekly frequencies and will become a daily and year-round frequency as of June 1, 2019. Hanover is one of Northern Germany’s largest cities and hosts several important fair and trade events throughout the calendar year. Hanover will be Finnair’s seventh destination in Germany. Finnair flies year-round to Berlin, Dusseldorf, Frankfurt, Hamburg, Munich and Stuttgart.

...and adds some other frequencies for S19:

Additional capacity is also being added for the 2019 summer season on some popular European routes. Finnair will add four weekly frequencies to Barcelona from the beginning of June until the end of the summer season. An additional frequency will be added to Reykjavik, making it a daily destination for the entire summer season. In addition, an additional daily frequency will be added to Warsaw on both Saturdays and Sundays.

But something I definitely wasn't expecting was flying the A350 to DXB next winter season (albeit just 2x weekly):

Finnair is also adding capacity on its Helsinki-Dubai route for the upcoming winter 2018 season. One weekly frequency will be added which means Finnair will now fly seven weekly frequencies to Dubai. In addition, two of the weekly frequencies will now be operated with a A350, instead of a narrow-body aircraft.

It will be interesting to follow the bloodbath between AY, DY and FZ next winter.

https://company.finnair.com/en/media/al ... id=2936740

QuawerAir · Tue May 29, 2018 11:00 am

Nami wrote:
Finnair starts flight to HAJ (Hanover):

Continuing with its growth in the German market, Finnair will be launching a new route to Hanover, Germany, next summer. The new route will start on April 29 with five weekly frequencies and will become a daily and year-round frequency as of June 1, 2019. Hanover is one of Northern Germany’s largest cities and hosts several important fair and trade events throughout the calendar year. Hanover will be Finnair’s seventh destination in Germany. Finnair flies year-round to Berlin, Dusseldorf, Frankfurt, Hamburg, Munich and Stuttgart.

...and adds some other frequencies for S19:

Additional capacity is also being added for the 2019 summer season on some popular European routes. Finnair will add four weekly frequencies to Barcelona from the beginning of June until the end of the summer season. An additional frequency will be added to Reykjavik, making it a daily destination for the entire summer season. In addition, an additional daily frequency will be added to Warsaw on both Saturdays and Sundays.

But something I definitely wasn't expecting was flying the A350 to DXB next winter season (albeit just 2x weekly):

Finnair is also adding capacity on its Helsinki-Dubai route for the upcoming winter 2018 season. One weekly frequency will be added which means Finnair will now fly seven weekly frequencies to Dubai. In addition, two of the weekly frequencies will now be operated with a A350, instead of a narrow-body aircraft.

It will be interesting to follow the bloodbath between AY, DY and FZ next winter.

https://company.finnair.com/en/media/al ... id=2936740

Hannover was expected but I wasn't expecting A350 to DXB either. So, next winter DXB will be served with 21x weekly flights from HEL.

factsonly · Tue May 29, 2018 11:10 am

This morning SK4743 OSL-BRU operated by B738 LN-RRH squawked 7700 as it passed AMS due to smoke in cockpit.
Crew decided to divert to AMS, where the aircraft is still on the ground.

- arr. 10.02 Oslo (OSL) - Brussels (BRU) B738 LN-RRH Diverted to AMS

HELyes · Wed May 30, 2018 7:57 am

Great to get AY A350 to DXB, even if just twice a week. The problem is the mixed product of A321ER/A350 to DXB, their A321ER cabin is rather LCC-ish, quite spartan.

Bostrom · Wed May 30, 2018 9:10 am

The Swedish aviation tax is having an impact it seems like. Norwegian is cancelling ARN-OAK and ARN-LAS and considering cancelling ARN-SFT.

FredrikHAD · Wed May 30, 2018 9:14 am

I think Norwegian will cancel those destinations the coming winter (~November 2018), not immediately.

Kikko19 · Wed May 30, 2018 9:22 am

I read it as well (about OAK/LAS), more than for the tax also for the SK competition according to somebody. I see DY is shadowing every departure to SFT, I guess if they will leave the route either SK will increase capacity or the fares will skyrocket...

Nami · Wed May 30, 2018 9:24 am

HELyes wrote:
Great to get AY A350 to DXB, even if just twice a week. The problem is the mixed product of A321ER/A350 to DXB, their A321ER cabin is rather LCC-ish, quite spartan.

That’s very much true and confusing for the passengers. It’s basically going to be five poor flights and two better ones with real J for those who travel in business class. But for economy they should revisit the whole concept, 6 hours is a rather long flight with no meal service.

It looks like the other additional A350 frequency is on Sunday mornings, so two flights on Sundays instead of daily operation.

Kikko19 · Wed May 30, 2018 9:25 am

Nami wrote:
HELyes wrote:
Great to get AY A350 to DXB, even if just twice a week. The problem is the mixed product of A321ER/A350 to DXB, their A321ER cabin is rather LCC-ish, quite spartan.

That’s very much true and confusing to the passengers. It’s basically going to be five poor flights and two better ones with real J for those who travel in business class. But for economy they should revisit the whole concept, 6 hours is a rather long flight with no food.

It looks like the other additional A350 frequency is on sunday mornings, so two flights on sundays.

doesn't AY serve food anymore in EU? 6 hours in a a321 is luxury compared of the 6 in FZ 737... of course likely EK will step in (which acft is the question!).

QuawerAir · Wed May 30, 2018 10:29 am

Bostrom wrote:
The Swedish aviation tax is having an impact it seems like. Norwegian is cancelling ARN-OAK and ARN-LAS and considering cancelling ARN-SFT.

So, there will be only three destinations in the US served by Norwegian from ARN: New York JFK, Fort Lauderdale, and Los Angeles.

Bostrom · Wed May 30, 2018 2:35 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
Bostrom wrote:
The Swedish aviation tax is having an impact it seems like. Norwegian is cancelling ARN-OAK and ARN-LAS and considering cancelling ARN-SFT.

So, there will be only three destinations in the US served by Norwegian from ARN: New York JFK, Fort Lauderdale, and Los Angeles.

It seems like that. Three cities that are also served by SAS.

Bostrom · Wed May 30, 2018 2:41 pm

After Nextjet declared bankrupcy a lot of smaller airports has been without commercial traffic. But now it has been decided that Amapola flyg will take over the PSO-routes to Hemavan, Vilhelmina, Lycksele and Kramfors/Sollefteå. Not sure which aircraft they will use, but their current fleet consists of Fokker 50s. They will start operating the routes on 1/7.

Press release (in Swedish): https://via.tt.se/pressmeddelande/klart ... Id=2723654

QuawerAir · Wed May 30, 2018 3:35 pm

I listed the main Nordic airports by the number of direct routes to the US (after ARN-OAK / LAS being axed):

CPH (12)

JFK, EWR, ORD, SFO, FLL, MIA, LAX, BOS, MCO, LAS, OAK, IAD

OSL (8)

JFK, EWR, FLL, MIA, LAX, MCO, LAS, OAK

ARN (6)

JFK, EWR, ORD, FLL, MIA, LAX

HEL (4)

JFK, ORD, SFO, MIA

KEF leads with direct routes to over 20 destinations in the US, followed by CPH with 11 routes to the US. HEL and ARN will be pretty close to each other and I believe that HEL will get a new service to LAX by either DY or AY. Of course, the situation may change before that.

However, the list looks a bit different if other North American destinations (with scheduled flights) are counted:

CPH (13)

JFK, EWR, ORD, SFO, FLL, MIA, LAX, BOS, MCO, LAS, OAK, IAD, YYZ

OSL (8)

JFK, EWR, FLL, MIA, LAX, MCO, LAS, OAK

HEL (7)

JFK, ORD, SFO, MIA, HAV, PVR, POP

ARN (6)

JFK, EWR, ORD, FLL, MIA, LAX

kanye · Wed May 30, 2018 4:16 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
I listed the main Nordic airports by the number of direct routes to the US (after ARN-OAK / LAS being axed):

CPH (12): JFK, EWR, ORD, SFO, FLL, MIA, LAX, BOS, MCO, LAS, OAK, IAD
OSL (8): JFK, EWR, FLL, MIA, LAX, MCO, LAS, OAK
ARN (6): JFK, EWR, ORD, FLL, MIA, LAX
HEL (4): JFK, ORD, SFO, MIA

KEF leads with direct routes to over 20 destinations in the US, followed by CPH with 11 routes to the US. HEL and ARN will be pretty close to each other and I believe that HEL will get a new service to LAX by either DY or AY. Of course, the situation may change before that.

However, the list looks a bit different if other North American destinations (with scheduled flights) are counted:

CPH (13): JFK, EWR, ORD, SFO, FLL, MIA, LAX, BOS, MCO, LAS, OAK, IAD, YYZ
OSL (8): JFK, EWR, FLL, MIA, LAX, MCO, LAS, OAK
HEL (7): JFK, ORD, SFO, MIA, HAV, PVR, POP
ARN (6): JFK, EWR, ORD, FLL, MIA, LAX

Actually seems like Norwegian is axing OAK and LAS from Oslo and Copenhagen as well. I think they just made a bigger deal about it in Sweden due to election in September and the newly introduced aviation tax.

sas767 · Wed May 30, 2018 4:17 pm

Today Air China started their new route between Beijing and Copenhagen - operated 4x Weekly with Airbus A330-200.

For pictures and other information from the opening ceremony please see: https://twitter.com/cphtraveller

Blerg · Wed May 30, 2018 4:19 pm

So what will they do with the extra capacity once these routes will be cut?

QuawerAir · Wed May 30, 2018 4:21 pm

Blerg wrote:
So what will they do with the extra capacity once these routes will be cut?

Probably the capacity will be used to increase flights from LGW again or from airports like AMS, MXP, BCN etc. I wish DY would use the extra capacity to launch flights from HEL.

Nami · Wed May 30, 2018 4:31 pm

Norwegian is not axing ARN-OAK completely, it will just become a seasonal route. Same for OSL and CPH. Also LAS is not only ending from ARN but from OSL and CPH as well for next winter.

It's quite clear that the economics of these routes just haven't worked out well enough, blaming the Swedish aviation tax for decision taken at ARN is very simple PR talk.

QuawerAir wrote:
I wish DY would use the extra capacity to launch flights from HEL.

If a route doesn't work from CPH, OSL or ARN, it most certainly won't work from HEL either.

QuawerAir · Wed May 30, 2018 4:32 pm

kanye wrote:
Actually seems like Norwegian is axing OAK and LAS from Oslo and Copenhagen as well. I think they just made a bigger deal about it in Sweden due to election in September and the newly introduced aviation tax.

Ok, I didn't expect that happen. BOS was also axed from CPH and OSL not so long time ago.

QuawerAir · Wed May 30, 2018 4:39 pm

Nami wrote:
Norwegian is not axing ARN-OAK completely, it will just become a seasonal route. Same for OSL and CPH. Also LAS is not only ending from ARN but from OSL and CPH as well for next winter.

It's quite clear that the economics of these routes just haven't worked out well enough, blaming the Swedish aviation tax for decision taken at ARN is very simple PR talk.

QuawerAir wrote:
I wish DY would use the extra capacity to launch flights from HEL.

If a route doesn't work from CPH, OSL or ARN, it most certainly won't work from HEL either.

I didn't mean OAK or LAS but LAX. I know neither OAK nor LAS would work from HEL, but LAX could as it's completely unserved.

kanye · Wed May 30, 2018 4:51 pm

Actually i'm not surprised about Las Vegas at all. It's a destination some Young people would go to once and that's about it. Maybe it worked out OK in the beginning but when those interested already visited it's getting worse and worse. Same for Puerto Rico which was among Norwegians first Long haul routes and now also is gone. There is a reason why Norwegian lost billions of NOK last years.

Nami · Wed May 30, 2018 11:40 pm

Norwegian adds capacity by 42% from HEL next winter:

- new route to AGA (Agadir)
- additional frequencies to AGP, LGW, KRK and RAK.

The biggest increase will be AGP going from 9x weekly to 16x weekly.

PS. Something I've wondered recently is why DY seems to quite often release new information in the evenings instead of the more traditional daytime...

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