Nordic aviation - 2018

QuawerAir · Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:21 am

Finnair is the official partner to the EU - China Tourism Year 2018 which focuses on developing travel between China and Europe.

teme82 · Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:46 am

I've seen review of the DL suites. I think they would suit AY's need as business class seat.

QuawerAir · Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:03 am

teme82 wrote:
I've seen review of the DL suites. I think they would suit AY's need as business class seat.

I'm not sure is this Delta's Business Class seat in A350, but this kind of seat would be amazing:

teme82 · Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:06 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
teme82 wrote:
I've seen review of the DL suites. I think they would suit AY's need as business class seat.

I'm not sure is this Delta's Business Class seat in A350, but this kind of seat would be amazing:

yes that is the seat in DL A350's

Kikko19 · Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:16 pm

Jal dreamliner had to return to Helsinki after one hour in the air. Engine?

teme82 · Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:36 pm

Kikko19 wrote:
Jal dreamliner had to return to Helsinki after one hour in the air. Engine?

Some reports of three loud bangs when the plane was climbing out of Hel. Ja has ge engines on the Dreamliner?

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Nami · Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:37 pm

Kikko19 wrote:
Jal dreamliner had to return to Helsinki after one hour in the air. Engine?

I've read that some eyewitnesses had heard bangs and seen flames from the right-side engine. According to the company responsible for air traffic control the aircraft was circling for a while with one engine but landed with two.

A technical fault is all they can say for now.

Flightradar24

Kikko19 · Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:57 am

Nami wrote:
Kikko19 wrote:
Jal dreamliner had to return to Helsinki after one hour in the air. Engine?

I've read that some eyewitnesses had heard bangs and seen flames from the right-side engine. According to the company responsible for air traffic control the aircraft was circling for a while with one engine but landed with two.

A technical fault is all they can say for now.

Flightradar24

yep, also from lentoposti (in finnish)http://www.lentoposti.fi/uutiset/japan_airlinesin_dreamliner_palasi_moottoriongelman_takia_helsinki_vantaalle_pian_lentoonl_hd_n_j

one question for the experts, doesn't the fuel dumped pollute the environment? or it's evaporating (i don'b believe so... )

teme82 · Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:19 am

Kikko19 wrote:
Nami wrote:
Kikko19 wrote:
Jal dreamliner had to return to Helsinki after one hour in the air. Engine?

I've read that some eyewitnesses had heard bangs and seen flames from the right-side engine. According to the company responsible for air traffic control the aircraft was circling for a while with one engine but landed with two.

A technical fault is all they can say for now.

Flightradar24

yep, also from lentoposti (in finnish)http://www.lentoposti.fi/uutiset/japan_airlinesin_dreamliner_palasi_moottoriongelman_takia_helsinki_vantaalle_pian_lentoonl_hd_n_j

one question for the experts, doesn't the fuel dumped pollute the environment? or it's evaporating (i don'b believe so... )

Even if you don't believe it. The fuel is so fine mist when it comes out of the plane it will evaporate.

Kikko19 · Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:24 am

teme82 wrote:
Kikko19 wrote:
Nami wrote:

I've read that some eyewitnesses had heard bangs and seen flames from the right-side engine. According to the company responsible for air traffic control the aircraft was circling for a while with one engine but landed with two.

A technical fault is all they can say for now.

Flightradar24

yep, also from lentoposti (in finnish)http://www.lentoposti.fi/uutiset/japan_airlinesin_dreamliner_palasi_moottoriongelman_takia_helsinki_vantaalle_pian_lentoonl_hd_n_j

one question for the experts, doesn't the fuel dumped pollute the environment? or it's evaporating (i don'b believe so... )

Even if you don't believe it. The fuel is so fine mist when it comes out of the plane it will evaporate.

if it's like this than it's good...

Blerg · Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:56 am

Kikko19 wrote:
teme82 wrote:
Kikko19 wrote:

yep, also from lentoposti (in finnish)http://www.lentoposti.fi/uutiset/japan_airlinesin_dreamliner_palasi_moottoriongelman_takia_helsinki_vantaalle_pian_lentoonl_hd_n_j

one question for the experts, doesn't the fuel dumped pollute the environment? or it's evaporating (i don'b believe so... )

Even if you don't believe it. The fuel is so fine mist when it comes out of the plane it will evaporate.
if it's like this than it's good...

In those situations polluting the environment should be on of the last things on their minds.

FredrikHAD · Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:26 am

teme82 wrote:
Kikko19 wrote:
one question for the experts, doesn't the fuel dumped pollute the environment? or it's evaporating (i don'b believe so... )

Even if you don't believe it. The fuel is so fine mist when it comes out of the plane it will evaporate.

Yes, at "normal" dumping altitudes the fluid fuel will evaporate, as in being turned into gas. Evaporation doesn't mean it disappears, though, but that it is dissolved in air (in this case). In the old days, evaporation was more or less considered to be equal to disappear (it was considered sooo little compared to the entire atmosphere, just like with exhaust gases), but I think we've learned a lot since then. The toxic components of the fuel is still there in the air, adding to pollution. Of course you should dump fuel to be able to land safely if needed, but I think burning it off is a better choice if possible. You will then end up with CO2 in the atmosphere, not medium chain hydrocarbons, which are the toxic components of Jet A(1). Dumping should be the last resort after possibly burning fuel off if you need to reduce landing weight. Landing overweight (which is the most environmentally friendly of the three methods) is unsafe so that is rarely used since even a successful landing means a costly and time consuming thorough check of the aircraft, and you obviously stand the risk of breaking something, possibly causing injury or worse to persons in or around the aircraft. I think the operators agree with this, otherwise they wouldn't bother to burn off fuel (since it takes a lot of time), but just dump it instead (possibly due to legislation).

More reading:
viewtopic.php?t=761667

/Fredrik

Someone83 · Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:52 am

Another 737-600 has left the SAS fleet. 13 left in the fleet

Boeing 737 -683 28300 209 LN-RRC SAS ferried 22jan18 OSL-DGX, for part-out & scrap ex OY-KKG

Kikko19 · Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:00 pm

FredrikHAD wrote:
teme82 wrote:
Kikko19 wrote:
one question for the experts, doesn't the fuel dumped pollute the environment? or it's evaporating (i don'b believe so... )

Even if you don't believe it. The fuel is so fine mist when it comes out of the plane it will evaporate.

Yes, at "normal" dumping altitudes the fluid fuel will evaporate, as in being turned into gas. Evaporation doesn't mean it disappears, though, but that it is dissolved in air (in this case). In the old days, evaporation was more or less considered to be equal to disappear (it was considered sooo little compared to the entire atmosphere, just like with exhaust gases), but I think we've learned a lot since then. The toxic components of the fuel is still there in the air, adding to pollution. Of course you should dump fuel to be able to land safely if needed, but I think burning it off is a better choice if possible. You will then end up with CO2 in the atmosphere, not medium chain hydrocarbons, which are the toxic components of Jet A(1). Dumping should be the last resort after possibly burning fuel off if you need to reduce landing weight. Landing overweight (which is the most environmentally friendly of the three methods) is unsafe so that is rarely used since even a successful landing means a costly and time consuming thorough check of the aircraft, and you obviously stand the risk of breaking something, possibly causing injury or worse to persons in or around the aircraft. I think the operators agree with this, otherwise they wouldn't bother to burn off fuel (since it takes a lot of time), but just dump it instead (possibly due to legislation).

More reading:
viewtopic.php?t=761667

/Fredrik

I thought the same, it will evaporate but be in the air, like smoke or any chemicals we dump there. and eventually will land and pollute land, rivers and waters.

Nami · Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:53 pm

As the JAL aircraft still hasn't moved anywhere, I believe history is being made as I'm quite sure there have never been two JL planes at HEL at the same time? :geek:

Efhkspotter · Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:44 pm

Nami wrote:
As the JAL aircraft still hasn't moved anywhere, I believe history is being made as I'm quite sure there have never been two JL planes at HEL at the same time?

Not the first time. On 15 October 2014 JL414(JA827J) was delayed because of slide deployment. Next day another JL 787 came to pick up the passengers. JA827J left back to NRT 18OCT.

Source

Nami · Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:22 pm

Efhkspotter wrote:
Nami wrote:
As the JAL aircraft still hasn't moved anywhere, I believe history is being made as I'm quite sure there have never been two JL planes at HEL at the same time?

Not the first time. On 15 October 2014 JL414(JA827J) was delayed because of slide deployment. Next day another JL 787 came to pick up the passengers. JA827J left back to NRT 18OCT.

Source

Thanks for the info. I remembered that JL's Dreamliners have had long delays before, but I thought they had always returned before the next inbound flight had landed.

QuawerAir · Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:08 pm

Boeing 787-10 has now received certification from FAA, so which airlines are most likely to serve Nordics with the 787-10?

These airlines have ordered 787-10s:

Of course, there are other candidate airlines that could order 787-10s.

Someone83 · Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:35 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
Boeing 787-10 has now received certification from FAA, so which airlines are most likely to serve Nordics with the 787-10?

These airlines have ordered 787-10s:
Singapore Airlines
Etihad Airways
EVA Air
United Airlines
British Airways
KLM
ANA

Of course, there are other candidate airlines that could order 787-10s.

Of these, probably none. United is no longer flying to the Nordics, the other European are using their for longhaul. Although you might see they do a one-of for some reason. A few other don't fly to the Nordics at all. And Singepore Airlines are planning a regional configuration for their 787-10, and not longhaul to Europe, which is with A350, A380 and 777

Bostrom · Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:54 pm

Someone83 wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
Boeing 787-10 has now received certification from FAA, so which airlines are most likely to serve Nordics with the 787-10?

These airlines have ordered 787-10s:
Singapore Airlines
Etihad Airways
EVA Air
United Airlines
British Airways
KLM
ANA

Of course, there are other candidate airlines that could order 787-10s.

Of these, probably none. United is no longer flying to the Nordics, the other European are using their for longhaul. Although you might see they do a one-of for some reason. A few other don't fly to the Nordics at all. And Singepore Airlines are planning a regional configuration for their 787-10, and not longhaul to Europe, which is with A350, A380 and 777

United still has a seasonal route EWR-ARN with a 757 if I'm not mistaken, but I doubt that route will se a 787-10. I don't think there is enough demand to support a 787-10 on the route.

QuawerAir · Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:15 pm

Someone83 wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
Boeing 787-10 has now received certification from FAA, so which airlines are most likely to serve Nordics with the 787-10?

These airlines have ordered 787-10s:
Singapore Airlines
Etihad Airways
EVA Air
United Airlines
British Airways
KLM
ANA

Of course, there are other candidate airlines that could order 787-10s.

Of these, probably none. United is no longer flying to the Nordics, the other European are using their for longhaul. Although you might see they do a one-of for some reason. A few other don't fly to the Nordics at all. And Singepore Airlines are planning a regional configuration for their 787-10, and not longhaul to Europe, which is with A350, A380 and 777

Probably EK if it orders 787-10s. I think JAL is also possible, but since they ordered A350s, it may be pretty unlikely. How about Norwegian?

QuawerAir · Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:23 am

CSA Czech Airlines outlines A321 network in S18

CSA Czech Airlines has outlined planned Airbus A321 operations for summer 2018 season, effective from 25MAR18. The 214-seater A321 (J8Y206) is scheduled to serve following routes.

Prague – Copenhagen
OK504/505 eff 26MAR18 Day x7
OK508/509 eff 26MAR18 Day x6 (Daily 02JUN18 – 21SEP18)

Prague – Helsinki eff 28MAR18 Day 3
Prague – Reykjavik Keflavik 31MAY18 – 01OCT18 Day 146 (Day 257 from KEF. This is a previously not reported new route)
Prague – Stockholm Arlanda eff 25MAR18 Day x23 (Day x3 05JUN18 – 20AUG18, Day x236 07OCT18 – 26OCT18)

Routesonline

ilari · Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:22 am

TUI seems to have big troubles with flights to/from Finland. Last week LPA-OUL was delayed for two days, this morning's flight from VAA to Kap Verde is delayed for 8 hours.

Nami · Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:28 pm

I got no clue why the dedicated thread I created got deleted, so I'll post here.

Air China's 4x weekly route to CPH from the end of May has been officially confirmed.

cph.dk: Air China to open route from Beijing to CPH

CXfirst · Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:36 pm

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet.

Norwegian are removing the ability to select seats at check-in without paying a fee. Previously, if you had a lowfare ticket with no seat selection, you could still make a choice at check-in. Now, you will be assigned one, and you have to pay at check-in if you want it changed.

SAS are also removing the free check-in bag for Silver, Gold and Diamond members flying on Go Light fares. This change will take effect in May.

Both are a bit disappointing. I generally travel with a checked-in bag, so if I fly Norwegian, I generally get the Lowfare+ anyway, so won't affect me too much. But, the SAS one I find very disappointing. I generally choose between the two airlines based on price after the added luggage. Seeing as I had EB silver, it was a Go Light Fare vs Lowfare+ comparison. In the future, it seems Norwegian will win out fare wise more often.

-CXfirst

Someone83 · Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:58 am

Cobalt Aero is starting Larnaca-Copenhagen from March 27

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... s-in-2018/

Larnaca – Copenhagen eff 27MAR18 2 weekly A319

ilari · Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:29 am

This morning two flights (AY & DY) HEL-OUL had to turn back because the runway at OUL is too icy for landing.

Someone83 · Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:04 pm

bmi Regional with GOT-LYS. 2x weekly from Jan22

BM8400 GOT1730 – 2000LYS ER4 14
BM8401 LYS2045 – 2320GOT ER4 14

Someone83 · Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:27 pm

12 737-600s left after LN-RCW left for the scrapper today

Boeing 737 -683 28308 333 LN-RCW SAS ferried 25jan18 OSL-DGX, for part-out & scrap ex SE-DNY

ilari · Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:58 am

T1 at HEL is really quiet, especially on Saturdays. I wish Austrian, LOT, Brussels Airlines and Swiss would come back. Any chance?

Someone83 · Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:22 am

Norwegian and Widerøe will start interlining. Although it will not apply to all of Widerøe's routes

In Norwegian:
http://media.norwegian.com/?_ga=2.59519 ... id-2393044

Someone83 · Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:23 am

Another A320neo delivered to SAS

Airbus A320 -251N 8058 EI-SIE SAS (Ireland) delivery 26jan18 XFW-ARN ex D-AVVG

QuawerAir · Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:45 am

Norwegian will launch 2x weekly Helsinki - Kraków route on 26 March 2018. Also, more flights will be added to Málaga, Alicante and Rhodes.

Lentoposti

QuawerAir · Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:04 am

ilari wrote:
T1 at HEL is really quiet, especially on Saturdays. I wish Austrian, LOT, Brussels Airlines and Swiss would come back. Any chance?

Since the demand on routes from HEL to WAW, VIE, BRU and ZRH has increased, I think there is a chance. I would like see more Star Alliance flights to/from HEL.

Also, I would like to see more flights from SkyTeam members (Air France, Alitalia, Air Europa etc.). In Oneworld, I think HEL mainly lacks Iberia. And if we go to wishful thinking (which some of my previously mentioned airlines are), then Cathay Pacific and American Airlines

But those airlines would not operate from T1.

Blerg · Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:19 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
ilari wrote:
T1 at HEL is really quiet, especially on Saturdays. I wish Austrian, LOT, Brussels Airlines and Swiss would come back. Any chance?

Since the demand on routes from HEL to WAW, VIE, BRU and ZRH has increased, I think there is a chance. I would like see more Star Alliance flights to/from HEL.

Also, I would like to see more flights from SkyTeam members (Air France, Alitalia, Air Europa etc.). In Oneworld, I think HEL mainly lacks Iberia. And if we go to wishful thinking (which some of my previously mentioned airlines are), then Cathay Pacific and American Airlines But those airlines would not operate from T1.

I think it will be really hard for LO to capture some local traffic between WAW and HEL as AY will fly up to 18 times per week this summer season. On top of that, I don't know how big the markets is from Finland to eastern and central Europe, the Balkans and the eastern Mediterranean.

ilari · Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:29 am

QuawerAir wrote:
ilari wrote:
T1 at HEL is really quiet, especially on Saturdays. I wish Austrian, LOT, Brussels Airlines and Swiss would come back. Any chance?

Since the demand on routes from HEL to WAW, VIE, BRU and ZRH has increased, I think there is a chance. I would like see more Star Alliance flights to/from HEL.

Also, I would like to see more flights from SkyTeam members (Air France, Alitalia, Air Europa etc.). In Oneworld, I think HEL mainly lacks Iberia. And if we go to wishful thinking (which some of my previously mentioned airlines are), then Cathay Pacific and American Airlines But those airlines would not operate from T1.

As you know, AA did ORD, but now it's AY serving the route. (Which happily will go daily this summer season)

QuawerAir · Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:39 am

ilari wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
ilari wrote:
T1 at HEL is really quiet, especially on Saturdays. I wish Austrian, LOT, Brussels Airlines and Swiss would come back. Any chance?

Since the demand on routes from HEL to WAW, VIE, BRU and ZRH has increased, I think there is a chance. I would like see more Star Alliance flights to/from HEL.

Also, I would like to see more flights from SkyTeam members (Air France, Alitalia, Air Europa etc.). In Oneworld, I think HEL mainly lacks Iberia. And if we go to wishful thinking (which some of my previously mentioned airlines are), then Cathay Pacific and American Airlines But those airlines would not operate from T1.

As you know, AA did ORD, but now it's AY serving the route. (Which happily will go daily this summer season)

Yeah, but I would like to see AA back in HEL. It's good indeed that ORD will go daily. I also expect SFO to have more frequencies in the future as it was one of the best performing routes for AY this year.

hvusslax · Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:10 pm

Icelandair will have multiple afternoon flights from each Nordic capital this summer.

OSL:
FI323 departing 14:00
FI319 departing 14:45
ARN:
FI309 departing 13:50
FI307 departing 14:20
HEL:
FI347 departing 15:15 (5x weekly)
FI343 departing 15:35
CPH:
FI205 departing 14:00
FI207 departing 14:30
FI209 departing 14:35 (6x weekly)

These extra afternoon flights replace the morning flights that have been abolished along with onward connections to North America.

Blerg · Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:19 pm

hvusslax wrote:
Icelandair will have multiple afternoon flights from each Nordic capital this summer.

OSL:
FI323 departing 14:00
FI319 departing 14:45
ARN:
FI309 departing 13:50
FI307 departing 14:20
HEL:
FI347 departing 15:15 (5x weekly)
FI343 departing 15:35
CPH:
FI205 departing 14:00
FI207 departing 14:30
FI209 departing 14:35 (6x weekly)

These extra afternoon flights replace the morning flights that have been abolished along with onward connections to North America.

Interesting. Do you know why they suspended the morning flights?

hvusslax · Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:22 am

Blerg wrote:
hvusslax wrote:
Icelandair will have multiple afternoon flights from each Nordic capital this summer.

OSL:
FI323 departing 14:00
FI319 departing 14:45
ARN:
FI309 departing 13:50
FI307 departing 14:20
HEL:
FI347 departing 15:15 (5x weekly)
FI343 departing 15:35
CPH:
FI205 departing 14:00
FI207 departing 14:30
FI209 departing 14:35 (6x weekly)

These extra afternoon flights replace the morning flights that have been abolished along with onward connections to North America.

Interesting. Do you know why they suspended the morning flights?

I know it had become difficult to grow this morning bank of flights more. The flight times were probably a tougher sell than the main bank in the afternoon, especially on the eastbound flights, with connections in KEF around midnight and very early arrivals into Europe. Nighttime curfews at major European airports also limit the options for growing this bank.

Someone83 · Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:15 pm

easyJet with 1x daily TXL-GOT from August 5

https://www.swedavia.se/landvetter/nyhe ... andvetter/

JetBuddy · Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:20 pm

hvusslax wrote:
Icelandair will have multiple afternoon flights from each Nordic capital this summer.

OSL:
FI323 departing 14:00
FI319 departing 14:45
ARN:
FI309 departing 13:50
FI307 departing 14:20
HEL:
FI347 departing 15:15 (5x weekly)
FI343 departing 15:35
CPH:
FI205 departing 14:00
FI207 departing 14:30
FI209 departing 14:35 (6x weekly)

These extra afternoon flights replace the morning flights that have been abolished along with onward connections to North America.

Do these afternoon bank flights connect with westbound flights to America?

Someone83 · Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:03 pm

easjyJet also adds TXL-OSL daily from August 3

TXL-OSL 07:30-09:15
OSL-TXL 09:50-11:35

mjoelnir · Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:10 pm

JetBuddy wrote:
hvusslax wrote:
Icelandair will have multiple afternoon flights from each Nordic capital this summer.

OSL:
FI323 departing 14:00
FI319 departing 14:45
ARN:
FI309 departing 13:50
FI307 departing 14:20
HEL:
FI347 departing 15:15 (5x weekly)
FI343 departing 15:35
CPH:
FI205 departing 14:00
FI207 departing 14:30
FI209 departing 14:35 (6x weekly)

These extra afternoon flights replace the morning flights that have been abolished along with onward connections to North America.

Do these afternoon bank flights connect with westbound flights to America?

Yes.

Nami · Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:41 pm

airBaltic will base a second Q400 at TLL and starts 12x weekly ARN and 2x weekly OSL in October.

Source

cityairline · Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:01 pm

Someone83 wrote:
easyJet with 1x daily TXL-GOT from August 5

https://www.swedavia.se/landvetter/nyhe ... andvetter/

So the rumours were true, great news!
We’ve been desperate for a new connection to TXL here, as we were the only ones that went from FOUR daily flights on AB, to zero! We didn’t have SK or DY as back-up here like the capitals did. And i expect this flight to increase to double daily eventually...

HELyes · Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:22 pm

Finnair 801/802 to ARN has an A333 tomorrow 31JAN, aircraft shortage?

QuawerAir · Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:40 am

easyJet outlines new routes from Berlin Tegel in S18

Berlin Tegel – Gothenburg eff 05AUG18 1 daily
Berlin Tegel – Oslo eff 03AUG18 1 daily

Planned service increase on selected routes:

Berlin Tegel – Helsinki eff 02JUL18 Increase from 8 to 11 weekly (13 weekly from 04AUG18)

Routesonline

Blerg · Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:37 am

I saw on Wikipedia that SK will be launching year-round flights to Aarhus and seasonal flights to Thessaloniki, Geneva, Prague and Warsaw from Oslo. How is SK generally doing there given that Norwegian is expanding like crazy all over the globe? How are they fighting to preserve their Norwegian market?

QuawerAir · Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:25 am

SAS operational key figures Nov 16-Oct 17

Destinations served: 123 (scheduled)
PAX: 30,065,000
Available seat km: 52,217,000
Revenue passenger km: 40,078,000
Passenger load factor: 76,8%

worldailinenews.com

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