Australian Aviation Thread - January 2018

vhebb · Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:30 am

So if the A332 is replacing the A333 daily on the QF117/118 from early October where is the A333 going?

I cant find any extra A333 flying in the schedules?

An767 · Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:57 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
Even on relatively short flights such as SIN the one business class lav is an issue. It actually won’t be much worse on a longer flight. That’s because peak use is in the first and last 90 minutes, around meals. If people are changing into PJs it’s even worse.

All A333s have proper crew rest. HNL, NRT, KIX definitely have 3 crew. I’m pretty sure BKK and PVG do as well, not sure about HKG.

Its a real pain when the first time J fliers all decide to put on the PJ's then decide to get changed at top of descent. I am on QF52 tonight and hopefully this will not happen or I wake up in time to "go" before the scramble starts.

BTW I heard that 2+ of the 332's are getting crew rest added for longer asian flights so the toilet issue may have a further reach

AN767

vhebb · Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:01 am

Also looks like QFs USA ops are back on track with all inbound Australian arrivals tomorrow morning running around 30+mins early

angusjt · Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:03 am

CraigAnderson wrote:
QantasLink will add two Airbus A320 aircraft to its fleet. These aircraft will be transferred from Jetstar Australia to QantasLink from March 2018, however in the future they will be sourced from the Jetstar Asia order. The Airbus A320 will be operated and maintained by the QANTAS Group wholly-owned Western Australian subsidiary airline, Network Aviation.
http://www.airlinehubbuzz.com/qantaslin ... 0-aircraft

Pretty interesting that they mention QF pulling future a320s from the Jetstar Asia order. It will also be interesting to see what they do when it comes to the interior, surely they'll remove the distinct orange stripes along the aisle and stowage compartments.

An767 · Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:15 am

vhebb wrote:
So if the A332 is replacing the A333 daily on the QF117/118 from early October where is the A333 going?

I cant find any extra A333 flying in the schedules?

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Rumor has it that QF51/52 will go double daily once QF 1 goes via Singapore, so two 332'a on BNE / Sin and that makes a spot for the 333 to go onto another leg .replacing a 332.Although there is also talk of the 744 going back to the 51/52 rotation once the 789's arrive and retimed to suit. BOTH options are being looked at , decision will be made shortly . This is from a QF friend who will remain nameless and position identity withheld

An767

EK413 · Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:50 am

qf789 wrote:
HiFly A343 on NZ175/176 PER-AKL has been extended to 23 Feb 18

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -feb-2018/

Well this puts the ex-EY B77L possibilities to rest.

EK413

qf789 · Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:25 pm

Qantas named most polluting airline across US-Asia Pacific

Note to access the article you have to answer a few questions on hybrid cars

https://www.ft.com/content/6692709e-fa5 ... d59aace167

A350OZ · Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:51 pm

qf789 wrote:
Qantas named most polluting airline across US-Asia Pacific

Note to access the article you have to answer a few questions on hybrid cars

https://www.ft.com/content/6692709e-fa5 ... d59aace167

Also available as free content without a quiz on the ABC News site here: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-17/q ... dy/9333616

This one is interesting, albeit not surprising if you think about it. QF is the only carrier exclusively using 4-engine planes on trans-pacific flights until recently, plus it has a rather premium-heavy layout compared to others, so this will of course be reflected in those numbers.

V8CHRGD · Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:00 am

A350OZ wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Qantas named most polluting airline across US-Asia Pacific

Note to access the article you have to answer a few questions on hybrid cars

https://www.ft.com/content/6692709e-fa5 ... d59aace167

Also available as free content without a quiz on the ABC News site here: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-17/q ... dy/9333616

This one is interesting, albeit not surprising if you think about it. QF is the only carrier exclusively using 4-engine planes on trans-pacific flights until recently, plus it has a rather premium-heavy layout compared to others, so this will of course be reflected in those numbers.

Will be interesting to see how the bio fuel flight performs.

qf2220 · Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:11 am

zkojq wrote:

Screw freedom of speech right? What people do on twitter in their own time is not their employeers business.

From what I've read, the employee did it from the Marriott account, not their own personal account....

qf2220 · Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:15 am

Question - why are German Rail & Fly tickets on Qantas only available to those with permanent residence (which includes citizens I assume)?

https://www.qantas.com/de/en/book-a-tri ... l-fly.html

Bilateral related? Or something else?

DavidByrne · Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:25 am

qf2220 wrote:
Question - why are German Rail & Fly tickets on Qantas only available to those with permanent residence (which includes citizens I assume)?

https://www.qantas.com/de/en/book-a-tri ... l-fly.html

Bilateral related? Or something else?

Probably because DB find stinging visitors with a 250 euro fare for a trip like the one I did from Berlin to Moenchengladbach recently too profitable to pass up the opportunity. Only when I really pressed them did they find me a 29 Euro fare for the same trip . . . .

Sydscott · Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:32 am

V8CHRGD wrote:
A350OZ wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Qantas named most polluting airline across US-Asia Pacific

Note to access the article you have to answer a few questions on hybrid cars

https://www.ft.com/content/6692709e-fa5 ... d59aace167

Also available as free content without a quiz on the ABC News site here: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-17/q ... dy/9333616

This one is interesting, albeit not surprising if you think about it. QF is the only carrier exclusively using 4-engine planes on trans-pacific flights until recently, plus it has a rather premium-heavy layout compared to others, so this will of course be reflected in those numbers.

Will be interesting to see how the bio fuel flight performs.

There is also the fact that the DFW flight needs to go out with empty seats from the US side due to winds. Based on their study parameter which is all about number of people divided by fuel consumption you would naturally have a scenario where QF is behind others.

Lets also not discount that the people publishing this study were unknown before they exposed the scandal at VW and is also relying on public data that US carriers give to the US Government. Food for thought nonetheless about what the impact of biofuels will be on this.

qf2220 · Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:16 am

DavidByrne wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
Question - why are German Rail & Fly tickets on Qantas only available to those with permanent residence (which includes citizens I assume)?

https://www.qantas.com/de/en/book-a-tri ... l-fly.html

Bilateral related? Or something else?

Probably because DB find stinging visitors with a 250 euro fare for a trip like the one I did from Berlin to Moenchengladbach recently too profitable to pass up the opportunity. Only when I really pressed them did they find me a 29 Euro fare for the same trip . . . .

if that was the reason i would expect DB to want more pax not less....

Obzerva · Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:56 am

JQ axing it's AVV-HBA flights from March

ADL77W · Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:35 am

Sydscott wrote:
V8CHRGD wrote:
A350OZ wrote:

Also available as free content without a quiz on the ABC News site here: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-17/q ... dy/9333616

This one is interesting, albeit not surprising if you think about it. QF is the only carrier exclusively using 4-engine planes on trans-pacific flights until recently, plus it has a rather premium-heavy layout compared to others, so this will of course be reflected in those numbers.

Will be interesting to see how the bio fuel flight performs.

There is also the fact that the DFW flight needs to go out with empty seats from the US side due to winds. Based on their study parameter which is all about number of people divided by fuel consumption you would naturally have a scenario where QF is behind others.

Lets also not discount that the people publishing this study were unknown before they exposed the scandal at VW and is also relying on public data that US carriers give to the US Government. Food for thought nonetheless about what the impact of biofuels will be on this.

I also wonder if this takes into account the sector lengths being operated by each airline? ANA, for example, would automatically have an advantage over Qantas due to the fact that many Australia to USA flights are ultra long haul and would require a lot of fuel to be burnt early in the flight to keep the weight of all the extra fuel required in the air (I hope that makes sense). Doesnt explain all of the difference, but would definitely explain some...

Qantas16 · Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:40 am

Obzerva wrote:
JQ axing it's AVV-HBA flights from March

Shame but not surprising... presuming they will keep ADL & OOL though?

qf789 · Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:34 pm

Qantas has questioned fuel efficiency report

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/qan ... cy-report/

zkojq · Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:27 pm

qf2220 wrote:
zkojq wrote:

Screw freedom of speech right? What people do on twitter in their own time is not their employeers business.

From what I've read, the employee did it from the Marriott account, not their own personal account....

Ah ok, fair enough then.

qf789 · Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:12 pm

Qantas16 wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
QantasLink will add two Airbus A320 aircraft to its fleet. These aircraft will be transferred from Jetstar Australia to QantasLink from March 2018, however in the future they will be sourced from the Jetstar Asia order. The Airbus A320 will be operated and maintained by the QANTAS Group wholly-owned Western Australian subsidiary airline, Network Aviation.
http://www.airlinehubbuzz.com/qantaslin ... 0-aircraft

Implying they will get more, new, A320's in the future? Does QF not have the 737 capacity to fly these routes? In which case, surely it's time for a 737MAX or announce A320's will be coming to mainline.

Alternatively, is this just the start of QF's plans to slowly transition A320s into domestic Australian service but fly them all under Network so cheaper to operate?

Personally i think there is another reason for adding A320's for QantasLink. I dont really believe it is about freeing up the 738 for the 2nd daily PER-SIN. I am thinking that the reports over the past week or so about the pilot shortage come into play here. When I flew over to SYD back in October i departed in the middle of the day and as we were taxing to runway 6 I remember seeing at least 6 F100's parked so i tend to think not having enough crews to fly them is coming into play here.

EK413 · Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:54 pm

qf789 wrote:
Qantas16 wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
QantasLink will add two Airbus A320 aircraft to its fleet. These aircraft will be transferred from Jetstar Australia to QantasLink from March 2018, however in the future they will be sourced from the Jetstar Asia order. The Airbus A320 will be operated and maintained by the QANTAS Group wholly-owned Western Australian subsidiary airline, Network Aviation.
http://www.airlinehubbuzz.com/qantaslin ... 0-aircraft

Implying they will get more, new, A320's in the future? Does QF not have the 737 capacity to fly these routes? In which case, surely it's time for a 737MAX or announce A320's will be coming to mainline.

Alternatively, is this just the start of QF's plans to slowly transition A320s into domestic Australian service but fly them all under Network so cheaper to operate?

Personally i think there is another reason for adding A320's for QantasLink. I dont really believe it is about freeing up the 738 for the 2nd daily PER-SIN. I am thinking that the reports over the past week or so about the pilot shortage come into play here. When I flew over to SYD back in October i departed in the middle of the day and as we were taxing to runway 6 I remember seeing at least 6 F100's parked so i tend to think not having enough crews to fly them is coming into play here.

& not to mention Alliance operating services ex BNE & PER.

EK413

qf789 · Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:36 am

I would like to remind everyone when quoting from outside sources whether its a news article, press release etc that you only quote a summary of it or a few rules. For more information refer o the forum rules

forumrules.php

A couple of posts have been removed because of this plus any additional reference posts, you are free to repost your original post providing it is within forum rules

Sydscott · Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:44 am

qf789 wrote:
I would like to remind everyone when quoting from outside sources whether its a news article, press release etc that you only quote a summary of it or a few rules. For more information refer o the forum rules

forumrules.php

A couple of posts have been removed because of this plus any additional reference posts, you are free to repost your original post providing it is within forum rules

So basically everything to do with the new Qantas Indigenous Artwork was removed.

Link here - https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... ft-livery/

zkncj · Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:52 am

EK413 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
HiFly A343 on NZ175/176 PER-AKL has been extended to 23 Feb 18

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -feb-2018/

Well this puts the ex-EY B77L possibilities to rest.

EK413

In the short-term yes - although wasn't from March '18 that EH was withdrawing the 77L?

EK413 · Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:35 am

zkncj wrote:
EK413 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
HiFly A343 on NZ175/176 PER-AKL has been extended to 23 Feb 18

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -feb-2018/

Well this puts the ex-EY B77L possibilities to rest.

EK413

In the short-term yes - although wasn't from March '18 that EH was withdrawing the 77L?

I can’t recall as to when they planned to withdraw the B77L from their fleet. The 77L was only seen as a possibility due to the B789 short fall but it seems NZ plan to have their engine troubles resolved by the end of February perhaps?!?

EK413

CraigAnderson · Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:07 am

As the fourth Dreamliner will have Aboriginal livery and be flown to Alice Springs as part of its delivery flight, I reckon this will HAVE to be the one named 'Dreamtime'

ZK-NBT · Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:20 am

EK413 wrote:
zkncj wrote:
EK413 wrote:

Well this puts the ex-EY B77L possibilities to rest.

EK413

In the short-term yes - although wasn't from March '18 that EH was withdrawing the 77L?

I can’t recall as to when they planned to withdraw the B77L from their fleet. The 77L was only seen as a possibility due to the B789 short fall but it seems NZ plan to have their engine troubles resolved by the end of February perhaps?!?

EK413

EY is the code for Etihad.

NZ were said to be looking to dry lease some 777’s, it takes a while for this to happen. I’m not hugely convinced at all that the 789 issue will be resolved by March. We will see.

qantas747 · Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:22 am

As much as I would love to see a new livery similar to wunala or nalanji, I can see this new livery being too detailed as the weight penalties will have an impact on the VLH routes they plan to operate. Hoping that it looks awesome though

qf789 · Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:47 am

Qantas16 wrote:
Obzerva wrote:
JQ axing it's AVV-HBA flights from March

Shame but not surprising... presuming they will keep ADL & OOL though?

JQ will be increasing frequency to both ADL and SYD from AVV

https://blueswandaily.com/jetstar-to-in ... to-hobart/

zkncj · Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:32 am

EK413 wrote:

I can’t recall as to when they planned to withdraw the B77L from their fleet. The 77L was only seen as a possibility due to the B789 short fall but it seems NZ plan to have their engine troubles resolved by the end of February perhaps?!?

EK413

NZ has only got 3 more 789s to be delivered, then all 13 ordered will be in service. There have been hints at ordering more, although these will likely have an wait time over 12months.

NZ is due to announce some additional routes for the next 12months, so anything is possible to get aircarft as an short-term fix.

EK413 · Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:04 am

zkncj wrote:
EK413 wrote:

I can’t recall as to when they planned to withdraw the B77L from their fleet. The 77L was only seen as a possibility due to the B789 short fall but it seems NZ plan to have their engine troubles resolved by the end of February perhaps?!?

EK413

NZ has only got 3 more 789s to be delivered, then all 13 ordered will be in service. There have been hints at ordering more, although these will likely have an wait time over 12months.

NZ is due to announce some additional routes for the next 12months, so anything is possible to get aircarft as an short-term fix.

Look forward to the announcement I’ll say they’ll beat QF at the non stop ORD & JFK services.

EK413

qf789 · Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:35 am

Alliance has one of their F100’s in a special livery to celebrate the 90th anniversary of the first trans pacific crossing

http://australianaviation.com.au/2018/0 ... okker-100/

eamondzhang · Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:39 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
vhebb wrote:
A333s have crew rest I believe along with A332 EBG/EBL.

I was under the impression the 28J/243Y could only do under 9hrs

Do they the A333’s have crew rest?? Most of the legs are 7-9hrs bar HNL and some PEK flights.

And scheduled daily 11hr flight to PVG. They do have crew rests.

Michael

ZK-NBT · Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:50 am

eamondzhang wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
vhebb wrote:
A333s have crew rest I believe along with A332 EBG/EBL.

I was under the impression the 28J/243Y could only do under 9hrs

Do they the A333’s have crew rest?? Most of the legs are 7-9hrs bar HNL and some PEK flights.

And scheduled daily 11hr flight to PVG. They do have crew rests.

Michael

I was more meaning cabin crew rest areas as opposed to tech crew.

qf789 · Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:09 am

A new route is to be announced from NTL next Monday, they are giving out clues every day up to the announcement

https://twitter.com/ntlairport/status/9 ... 4723321856

qf2220 · Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:27 am

qf789 wrote:
A new route is to be announced from NTL next Monday, they are giving out clues every day up to the announcement

https://twitter.com/ntlairport/status/9 ... 4723321856

Is the direction of the a clue at all do we think?

planemanofnz · Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:38 am

qf2220 wrote:
Is the direction of the a clue at all do we think?

Potentially! Could it be AKL? :stirthepot:

Cheers,

C.

smi0006 · Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:40 am

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planemanofnz wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
Is the direction of the a clue at all do we think?

Potentially! Could it be AKL?

Cheers,

C.

I’d love it to be AKL! Hopefully something more interesting than a return of NLK....

planemanofnz · Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:52 am

smi0006 wrote:
I’d love it to be AKL!

I assume that JQ or NZ would be the operator, and not QF or VA? IMO, NZ would be the most likely contender.

NZ might be beefing up its Australian presence, to prepare for an ending of the VA alliance, and less VA feed?

Another potential destination could be NAN - FJ has beefed itself up in Australia, having added ADL recently.

Cheers,

C.

ADL77W · Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:17 am

smi0006 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
I’d love it to be AKL!

I assume that JQ or NZ would be the operator, and not QF or VA? IMO, NZ would be the most likely contender.

NZ might be beefing up its Australian presence, to prepare for an ending of the VA alliance, and less VA feed?

Another potential destination could be NAN - FJ has beefed itself up in Australia, having added ADL recently.

Cheers,

C.

I confess I’d love it to be AKL, NAN or even JQ to DPS a couple times a week - but I’m skeptical, most likely be Regional or domestic. Still NZ can make MCY work and has the advantage of appealing to north and South America traffic - so who could say. Roll on the hints.

I probably have a local bias, but ADL could be a possibility on JQ at 3 weekly. It is ADL's largest non-served market...

smi0006 · Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:17 am

planemanofnz wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
I’d love it to be AKL!

I assume that JQ or NZ would be the operator, and not QF or VA? IMO, NZ would be the most likely contender.

NZ might be beefing up its Australian presence, to prepare for an ending of the VA alliance, and less VA feed?

Another potential destination could be NAN - FJ has beefed itself up in Australia, having added ADL recently.

Cheers,

C.

I confess I’d love it to be AKL, NAN or even JQ to DPS a couple times a week - but I’m skeptical, most likely be Regional or domestic. Still NZ can make MCY work and has the advantage of appealing to north and South America traffic - so who could say. Roll on the hints.

zkncj · Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:21 am

NZ does have some experience with AKL-NTL in the past, SJ (NZ's old LCC) used to operate the route back in the early 2000s with an 733.

Now with growing passenger numbers across the Tasman, it could be an good time to give it ago. Along with most peak AKL-SYD services now being an wide body they probably can't grow SYD much more.

NTLDaz · Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:39 am

As someone who lives in Newcastle and flies out of there for work regularly I'd love to see a return of international service.

The 2 councils who run NTL have spent quite a bit of money recently getting it customs compliant. Customs officers are already in Newcastle due to the port.

There is a catchment area ( including the Central Coast ) of over 1 million people.

DavidByrne · Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:59 am

qf789 wrote:
A new route is to be announced from NTL next Monday, they are giving out clues every day up to the announcement

https://twitter.com/ntlairport/status/9 ... 4723321856

If that was really a clue, then the route is to the east of NTL. So perhaps indeed AKL . . . ?

Nah, on reflection, more likely to be SCL. :lol:

NTLDaz · Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:17 am

DavidByrne wrote:
qf789 wrote:
A new route is to be announced from NTL next Monday, they are giving out clues every day up to the announcement

https://twitter.com/ntlairport/status/9 ... 4723321856

If that was really a clue, then the route is to the east of NTL. So perhaps indeed AKL . . . ?

Nah, on reflection, more likely to be SCL.

Well the clue points NE which could be NAN.

As a Novocastrian who is married to a Chilean SCL would be the best LOL.

sq256 · Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:26 am

I can't see it being NAN being a "Low Yield to Low Yield" point. Other alternative is NLK on one of the regional contractors (on behalf of someone else).

My guess would be NZ flying AKL-NTL as the first step towards ending the VA alliance at the end of this year (and preparing to take on VA, QF, JQ, EK, and the other fifth freedom operators on Trans-Tasman routes).

NTLDaz · Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:32 am

sq256 wrote:
I can't see it being NAN being a "Low Yield to Low Yield" point. Other alternative is NLK.

My guess would be NZ flying AKL-NTL as the first step towards ending the VA alliance (and preparing to take on VA, QF, JQ, EK, and the other fifth freedom operators on Trans-Tasman routes).

Low yield ? NTL has a stack of high value customers. There's a reason QantasLink flies multiple BNE flights a day as well as the multiple JQ flights.

I fly out of NTL 2-3 times a month to BNE. Despite being QF Platinum I rarely get allocated an exit row. I asked why and got told there are too many Platinum's flying so they get shared around.

Newcastle has quite a bit of money and is one of the economic engine rooms of NSW.

Even if it is low yielding JQ has a maintenance and crew base in NTL so they could be the operator.

qf002 · Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:56 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
I was more meaning cabin crew rest areas as opposed to tech crew.

Cabin crew aren’t the problem, they get the same curtained off Y seats on both the -300s and -200s.

qf789 · Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:58 am

Jetstar group signs interline agreement with Hawaiian Airlines

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/haw ... line-deal/

qf789 · Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:08 am

Today's MH122 SYD-KUL diverts to ASP after one engine is shut down in flight

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-18/m ... gs/9341584

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/ ... ce-springs

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